Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-14 Thread Ian
Tom,
The K3S kit version is a lot of fun to build.  My experience here:
http://www.n8ik.net/kitbuilding.php
73, Ian N8IK 
s/n 10111


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To: Tom Brohl ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

Tom,

Your HF operating aspirations will tell you which options will be best for
your K3S.
Since you will be a newcomer to HF, I would suggest you start with the basic
100 watt K3S until you discover what you really want and develop your HF
operating style.
With your antenna situation, I would suggest that you add the KAT3 internal
antenna tuner.

If your operation on 2 meters will be mostly FM, then stick with your
current FM gear.  If you want to operate FM and/or AM with the K3S, you will
need the 13 kHz filter.

Yes, order the K3S kit, it is no solder, but plenty of exercise with a
screwdriver.  The main advantage is that you will be familiar with the
inside of the K3S and you will not hesitate to add whatever additional
options you might want later.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/13/2016 12:28 PM, Tom Brohl wrote:
> Hello Elecraft subscribers,
>
>  I've been a ham for quite some time as a Technician class 
> using 2-meter. I'm retired now with more time for my hobbies.
>
> I'll be taking my General class exam soon and moving on to HF.
>
> I've built many Heath kits in the day, so the Elecraft kits are 
> striking my interest.
>
> I'm trying to configure a K3s kit and would sure like some help from 
> you experienced hams.
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-14 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
A great time to read through all of them is while you are waiting for them to 
arrive.
I general read though all the manuals cover to cover before they arrive.
That way you have a familiarity of the directions before you even start.




  From: Kevin Stover 
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 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question
   
In a previous post you received advice suggesting you download and read 
the assembly and operating manuals before buying the rig. ABSOLUTELY DO 
THIS! At a minimum before you pull it out of the box. They are your main 
source of configuration information for the rig. This email list is a 
distant second.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-14 Thread Jim Brown
I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, but Kevin in this post 
and Bernie, KF0QH, have given you excellent advice. The K3 and K3S are 
quite easy to upgrade, so feel free to buy only what you need now. I too 
would go for the 100W amp and tuner, and buy no extra roofing filters. 
By all means, buy it as a kit, which saves you $250. The only reason not 
to do so is if you have some sort of physical handicap that makes it 
difficult for you to do relatively simple mechanical assembly.


And, especially if you're tight on dollars, strongly consider a used K3. 
I own three, which I have upgraded with the new synth board and the new 
KXV3B (both come with the K3S), and I see no need to replace these 
radios with the newer model.


73, Jim K9YC

On Sun,2/14/2016 9:07 AM, Kevin Stover wrote:
In a previous post you received advice suggesting you download and 
read the assembly and operating manuals before buying the rig. 
ABSOLUTELY DO THIS! At a minimum before you pull it out of the box. 
They are your main source of configuration information for the rig. 
This email list is a distant second.




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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-14 Thread Kevin Stover
In a previous post you received advice suggesting you download and read 
the assembly and operating manuals before buying the rig. ABSOLUTELY DO 
THIS! At a minimum before you pull it out of the box. They are your main 
source of configuration information for the rig. This email list is a 
distant second.


Since you are new to HF...a second word of advice...this ain't your 
local repeater. Everything you say, everything you do can and will be 
heard for thousands of miles. Kinda humbling if you think about it.


A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your belt, 
stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters.


--
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
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SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441


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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-14 Thread Bernie and Cheryl

Tom:

Since you've not been on HF before, I recommend that you make sure 
your K3s is as robust as you can make it in terms of RF capability, 
and leave off the frills until you've been on the air for a while and 
know what you like.  At the beginning, you want contacts to come 
easy.  I do a fair amount of QRP, but I've been on HF for 
decades.  At the beginning, when I fumbled around a lot (people would 
argue I fumble around now ;-)), it would have been nice to have a rig 
that made up for my fumbling.


For this reason, I suggest that you get the 100 watt PA and the auto 
antenna tuner (it's very fast, efficient and easy to use) and nothing 
else.  I agree with the earlier poster who said that, although the 
400 or 500hz roofing filter is nice (I have the 500hz), the DSP does 
fine unless you're in a contest environment.  Given your antenna 
system, you'll find that this setup will get you plenty of contacts 
with a relative degree of ease.


I wouldn't bother with the general coverage receiver 
filter.  Shortwave listening was a lot of fun when I was a kid but 
today, I find myself doing none of it.  So I have never missed that 
filter.  As for the 2 meter option, I don't have it in mine, since I 
have a fully capable FT-736R that I use for satellite work.  However, 
I'd focus on making your K3s functional for HF before you decide to 
make it functional on VHF (I realize the K3s has 6 meter capability).


Good luck and hope to see you on the air.

73 de Bernie, KF0QS, K3s/100 sn 10323

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-13 Thread Edward R Cole
I realize your questions were about the K3s, but have you considered 
the KX3?  Since cost is an important consideration for you (isn't for 
all of us?):


KX3-K = $949.95
MH3 = $59.95
KXFL3 = $149.95 (optional)
KXAT3 = $199.95 (optional)
total = $1009.90 ($1359.80)
to add 100w:
KXPA-100-K $749.95
total = $1759.85 ($2109.75)

vs

K3s/10-K = $2099.95
MH2= $59.95
total = $2159.90
to add 100w:
KPA3A = $599.95
total = $2759.85

difference = $1000 ($650.10)

I have best of all worlds (my opinion) with both K3/10 + KX3-2M + KXPA-100.
I have several options added but left them out of the basic comparison (above).
Since you have a mic probably delete the MH3/MH2 in the comparison.

If just starting out on HF the options are all something one can add 
to Elecraft equipment as you decide if they are needed/wanted.  But 
if you know for-sure, now, then buy them with the radio. Its your money!


If 2m-SSB?CW is not on your list better to buy a 2m-FM rig.  I cannot 
comment on the K144XV but the REFlock is probably a good choice if 
running SSB (an especially digital modes).


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-13 Thread Don Wilhelm

Tom,

Your HF operating aspirations will tell you which options will be best 
for your K3S.
Since you will be a newcomer to HF, I would suggest you start with the 
basic 100 watt K3S until you discover what you really want and develop 
your HF operating style.
With your antenna situation, I would suggest that you add the KAT3 
internal antenna tuner.


If your operation on 2 meters will be mostly FM, then stick with your 
current FM gear.  If you want to operate FM and/or AM with the K3S, you 
will need the 13 kHz filter.


Yes, order the K3S kit, it is no solder, but plenty of exercise with a 
screwdriver.  The main advantage is that you will be familiar with the 
inside of the K3S and you will not hesitate to add whatever additional 
options you might want later.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/13/2016 12:28 PM, Tom Brohl wrote:

Hello Elecraft subscribers,

 I've been a ham for quite some time as a Technician class using
2-meter. I'm retired now with more time for my hobbies.

I'll be taking my General class exam soon and moving on to HF.

I've built many Heath kits in the day, so the Elecraft kits are striking my
interest.

I'm trying to configure a K3s kit and would sure like some help from you
experienced hams.




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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-13 Thread Jerry Moore
Tom, we've all been there. I recently went through the same process you are
and it's very typical. 
Your questions start with >>> and the answers follow.

>>>I'll be taking my General class exam soon and moving on to HF.
CONTRATULATIONS!!!

>>>I've built many Heath kits in the day, so the Elecraft kits are striking
my interest.
Excellent choice!!

>>>I'm trying to configure a K3s kit and would sure like some help from you
experienced hams. 
Download the newest version of the assembly manual and read/understand the
process BEFORE starting. 
Definitely do a full inventory/count prior to starting.

>>>The up-front price is a lot for me so I'm trying to understand the
necessities? With an upgrade path every 6 months or so.
My opinion: Unless you're a hardcore contester the DSP does a WONDERFUL job
of filtering. I chose to grade the stock 2.7khz to 2.8Khz and add the 400Hz
filter. It's my view now (and the advice I was given prior to my purchase)
that you won't go wrong just going with the stock 2.7Khz filter (comes with)
and use the radio to determine if you want anything else. I've turned off
the 400hz filter to test and found the DSP is much more powerful than
anything I've seen or used. The 400hz filter helps when the band is
crowded/loud/noisy.

>>>First, would I be disappointed with starting out with the 10-watt
version? I imagine I'll be doing more listening in the beginning. But if
100-watts is important up front I'll get it.
10watts is fine. Put a lot of cash into low loss feedline and good antennas.
If you can do a yagi you'll be amazed what an antenna with gain will do. If
you CAN afford it then 100w is the standard. 
Understand what I'm trying to say. If you have high loss coax run into a
non-resonant antenna then 1000W won't be of any value because you can't
HEAR.
Focus on hearing, If you can hear them then all things being equal you can
work them, especially on CW. 
If you plan to use SSB mostly then definitely do the 100w.


>>>How about filter options? I'm guessing the standard filter will be ok to
start out with?
Already answered


>>>I may add the 2-meter option since my current radio needs replacing. If I
do is the K144XV Reference Lock Board necessary for 2-meter operation?
My opinion is KISS, keep it simply simple. If you want 2m then decide what
modes you want. Since you're upgrading to General I'm guessing you already
have some 2m gear. My view is to keep 2m separate unless you plan to do more
expensive things like moonbounce..etc.. 
For Sat work there are better options at this time.
Just my opinion.


>>>How about the KBPF3A General Coverage Receiver Filter?
I'm not sure what this is for. I listen AM stations now and don't have that
add on that I'm aware of.


>>>My antenna is a Cobra UltraLite Junior:  80-10 Meters 73 feet, installed
in my attic. I also have an Astron VS35m Power Supply, Heil PR-781 mic,
MFJ-993B Auto Tuner.
Get low loss feedline and ensure you have good station grounds. 


>>>Please recommend what options I should get with the K3s kit.
Personally: Kit + 100w + ATU to start. Later add crystals if you think you
need them, if you catch the contesting bug the DVR is nice, I purchased it
but haven't even used it to date. 

Remember if you can't hear it then you can't work it anyway. TX power has
limited value.. better to be the elephant with big ears than an
alligator...all mouth no ears... :)

73 ..



Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
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Patriotic.

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Brohl
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 12:29 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

Hello Elecraft subscribers,

I've been a ham for quite some time as a Technician class using
2-meter. I'm retired now with more time for my hobbies.

I'll be taking my General class exam soon and moving on to HF.

I've built many Heath kits in the day, so the Elecraft kits are striking my
interest.

I'm trying to configure a K3s kit and would sure like some help from you
experienced hams. 

The up-front price is a lot for me so I'm trying to understand the
necessities? With an upgrade path every 6 months or so.

First, would I be disappointed with starting out with the 10-watt version? I
imagine I'll be doing more listening in the beginning. But if 100-watts is
important up front I'll get it.

How about filter options? I'm guessing the standard filter will be ok to
start out with?

I may add the 2-meter option since my current radio needs replacing. If I do
is the K144XV Reference Lock Board nece

Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-13 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

I'm just tossing this in as a thought.

Wire is cheap, and you can find stuff that is pretty much invisible.  If 
you can get the antenna outside the attic, that'd be a really good move.


You can keep the existing attic antenna while experimenting with what 
you can hide outside.


73 -- Lynn

On 2/13/2016 9:39 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
However, with the somewhat compromise attic antenna, a bit more power 
is likely preferred.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-13 Thread Irwin Darack
Tom,

I just finished building my second K3S for my Beach House. The instructions
in the K3S assembly manual are excellent and very gratifying once you have
built it.  Just take your time. I only dedicated 3 hours each day to make
sure I did not make any mistakes.

I would go simple to start with. Given your antennas, you really want the
100 watt option.
K3S - 100w Kit, Digital Voice Recorder,  Auto Tuner, Filters - 400 Hz for
CW/ Digital,  and 2.1 and standard 2.7 kHz for SSB.  Unless you are really
into contesting, forget the second Receiver for now. You can always add it
later. That's all you need to get started.

I do not do much 2 meter operation, so I have not added that option.
Primarily I am on FM local repeaters. The same goes for the general
coverage option/filter.

Consider adding the P3 option in the future.

Good luck and enjoy the radio.

Irwin KD3TB



On Saturday, February 13, 2016, Tom Brohl  wrote:

> Hello Elecraft subscribers,
>
> I've been a ham for quite some time as a Technician class using
> 2-meter. I'm retired now with more time for my hobbies.
>
> I'll be taking my General class exam soon and moving on to HF.
>
> I've built many Heath kits in the day, so the Elecraft kits are striking my
> interest.
>
> I'm trying to configure a K3s kit and would sure like some help from you
> experienced hams.
>
> The up-front price is a lot for me so I'm trying to understand the
> necessities? With an upgrade path every 6 months or so.
>
> First, would I be disappointed with starting out with the 10-watt version?
> I
> imagine I'll be doing more listening in the beginning. But if 100-watts is
> important up front I'll get it.
>
> How about filter options? I'm guessing the standard filter will be ok to
> start out with?
>
> I may add the 2-meter option since my current radio needs replacing. If I
> do
> is the K144XV Reference Lock Board necessary for 2-meter operation?
>
> How about the KBPF3A General Coverage Receiver Filter?
>
> My antenna is a Cobra UltraLite Junior:  80-10 Meters 73 feet, installed in
> my attic. I also have an Astron VS35m Power Supply, Heil PR-781 mic,
> MFJ-993B Auto Tuner.
>
> Please recommend what options I should get with the K3s kit.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
>
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-13 Thread Doug Turnbull
Hi All,
   If cost is a problem then the amplifier is one accessory which is easy to
add later!  When building my two K3 radios, I always first built a 10 Watt
unit and got it working before adding the amplifier.One of the nice
features of the K3 / K3S is the ability to add modules later.   Just
consider the DVK and 1 ppm TCXO for your initial purchase.   You may not
want to remove the front panel later.

   Additional filters are easy to add later.

   What ever you do Bob you will like the K3S.

73 Doug EI2CN

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
McGraw K4TAX
Sent: 13 February 2016 17:40
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

Based on your current operation and your present listing of equipment, 
I'd suggest the K3S-100.  You have a tuner so no internal ATU unless you 
want the internal automatic convenience.   You have a good mike, I use 
one of those myself.  As to filters, the standard filter is most 
adequate and always and one can add additional filters if desired.  If 
you intend to operate CW perhaps a 500 Hz or 400 Hz filter would be a 
nice initial choice.

As to the 10 watt vs. 100 watt radio, if you wish to operate lower power 
then the 100 watt will easily back down to 10 watts or less. However, 
with the somewhat compromise attic antenna, a bit more power is likely 
preferred.  Thus I'd opt for the 100 watt version.

As to 2 meter operation, unless you intend to work SSB, I'd opt for a 
dedicated VHF/UHF FM radio for repeaters and FM simplex.

So in summary, K3S-100 either F or K being factory assembled and tested 
or the kit.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S-100-F,  s/n 10163


On 2/13/2016 11:28 AM, Tom Brohl wrote:
> Hello Elecraft subscribers,
>
>  I've been a ham for quite some time as a Technician class
using
> 2-meter. I'm retired now with more time for my hobbies.
>
> I'll be taking my General class exam soon and moving on to HF.
>
> I've built many Heath kits in the day, so the Elecraft kits are striking
my
> interest.
>
> I'm trying to configure a K3s kit and would sure like some help from you
> experienced hams.
>
> The up-front price is a lot for me so I'm trying to understand the
> necessities? With an upgrade path every 6 months or so.
>
> First, would I be disappointed with starting out with the 10-watt version?
I
> imagine I'll be doing more listening in the beginning. But if 100-watts is
> important up front I'll get it.
>
> How about filter options? I'm guessing the standard filter will be ok to
> start out with?
>
> I may add the 2-meter option since my current radio needs replacing. If I
do
> is the K144XV Reference Lock Board necessary for 2-meter operation?
>
> How about the KBPF3A General Coverage Receiver Filter?
>
> My antenna is a Cobra UltraLite Junior:  80-10 Meters 73 feet, installed
in
> my attic. I also have an Astron VS35m Power Supply, Heil PR-781 mic,
> MFJ-993B Auto Tuner.
>
> Please recommend what options I should get with the K3s kit.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
>   
>
> -Tom
>
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-13 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Based on your current operation and your present listing of equipment, 
I'd suggest the K3S-100.  You have a tuner so no internal ATU unless you 
want the internal automatic convenience.   You have a good mike, I use 
one of those myself.  As to filters, the standard filter is most 
adequate and always and one can add additional filters if desired.  If 
you intend to operate CW perhaps a 500 Hz or 400 Hz filter would be a 
nice initial choice.


As to the 10 watt vs. 100 watt radio, if you wish to operate lower power 
then the 100 watt will easily back down to 10 watts or less. However, 
with the somewhat compromise attic antenna, a bit more power is likely 
preferred.  Thus I'd opt for the 100 watt version.


As to 2 meter operation, unless you intend to work SSB, I'd opt for a 
dedicated VHF/UHF FM radio for repeaters and FM simplex.


So in summary, K3S-100 either F or K being factory assembled and tested 
or the kit.


73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S-100-F,  s/n 10163


On 2/13/2016 11:28 AM, Tom Brohl wrote:

Hello Elecraft subscribers,

 I've been a ham for quite some time as a Technician class using
2-meter. I'm retired now with more time for my hobbies.

I'll be taking my General class exam soon and moving on to HF.

I've built many Heath kits in the day, so the Elecraft kits are striking my
interest.

I'm trying to configure a K3s kit and would sure like some help from you
experienced hams.

The up-front price is a lot for me so I'm trying to understand the
necessities? With an upgrade path every 6 months or so.

First, would I be disappointed with starting out with the 10-watt version? I
imagine I'll be doing more listening in the beginning. But if 100-watts is
important up front I'll get it.

How about filter options? I'm guessing the standard filter will be ok to
start out with?

I may add the 2-meter option since my current radio needs replacing. If I do
is the K144XV Reference Lock Board necessary for 2-meter operation?

How about the KBPF3A General Coverage Receiver Filter?

My antenna is a Cobra UltraLite Junior:  80-10 Meters 73 feet, installed in
my attic. I also have an Astron VS35m Power Supply, Heil PR-781 mic,
MFJ-993B Auto Tuner.

Please recommend what options I should get with the K3s kit.

Thanks for your help!

  


-Tom

  


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[Elecraft] K3s pre-purchase question

2016-02-13 Thread Tom Brohl
Hello Elecraft subscribers,

I've been a ham for quite some time as a Technician class using
2-meter. I'm retired now with more time for my hobbies.

I'll be taking my General class exam soon and moving on to HF.

I've built many Heath kits in the day, so the Elecraft kits are striking my
interest.

I'm trying to configure a K3s kit and would sure like some help from you
experienced hams. 

The up-front price is a lot for me so I'm trying to understand the
necessities? With an upgrade path every 6 months or so.

First, would I be disappointed with starting out with the 10-watt version? I
imagine I'll be doing more listening in the beginning. But if 100-watts is
important up front I'll get it.

How about filter options? I'm guessing the standard filter will be ok to
start out with?

I may add the 2-meter option since my current radio needs replacing. If I do
is the K144XV Reference Lock Board necessary for 2-meter operation?

How about the KBPF3A General Coverage Receiver Filter?

My antenna is a Cobra UltraLite Junior:  80-10 Meters 73 feet, installed in
my attic. I also have an Astron VS35m Power Supply, Heil PR-781 mic,
MFJ-993B Auto Tuner.

Please recommend what options I should get with the K3s kit.

Thanks for your help!

 

-Tom

 

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