Re: [Elecraft] K4 and K4D Backlog wait significantly reduced

[Ted Roycraft]

Eric,
What's the status of a K4 to K4D conversion kit?

Thanks and 73,
Ted Roycraft, W2ZK

On 1/12/2023 22:25, Eric Swartz wrote:

We've been working hard to get the K4 & K4D backlog down and I'm now
pleased to announce that it has been reduced significantly. Whew!

We are now contacting customers that ordered in late Dec and early January
that their orders will be ready to ship in the next 10-20 business days.

Please contactsa...@elecraft.com  or give us a call (831-763-4211)if you
ordered your K4 any time before the end of 2022 and have not heard from us.
We'll get your order back into the now very short queue.  It's always
possible we have an old email address for you or that our emails were
missed or sent to your spam folder when originally sent.

Thanks again for your incredible patience as we've worked through the K4
and K4D backlog.   We're working now on getting the K4HD radio and K4/K4D
to K4HD upgrade options  parts sourced and then into production and out
later this year.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
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[Elecraft] K4 and K4D Backlog wait significantly reduced

[Eric Swartz]

We've been working hard to get the K4 & K4D backlog down and I'm now
pleased to announce that it has been reduced significantly. Whew!

We are now contacting customers that ordered in late Dec and early January
that their orders will be ready to ship in the next 10-20 business days.

Please contact sa...@elecraft.com or give us a call (831-763-4211)if you
ordered your K4 any time before the end of 2022 and have not heard from us.
We'll get your order back into the now very short queue.  It's always
possible we have an old email address for you or that our emails were
missed or sent to your spam folder when originally sent.

Thanks again for your incredible patience as we've worked through the K4
and K4D backlog.   We're working now on getting the K4HD radio and K4/K4D
to K4HD upgrade options  parts sourced and then into production and out
later this year.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D shipping

[G4GNX]

How utterly childish.

There is no “fight”. We have different opinions, that’s what discussion is all 
about. Something you usually learn just after leaving the school playground. 

73,
Alan - G4GNX




> On 3 Sep 2022, at 02:06, Richard Isaacs  wrote:
> 
> Cat fight!
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2022, at 6:07 PM, G4GNX  wrote:
>> 
>> Diversity is not needed by everyone, but I would agree that there are 
>> probably more that use it than don’t, hence the larger number shipped.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Alan - G4GNX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Sep 2022, at 19:22, Jim Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 9/2/2022 9:15 AM, Hunsdon Cary III wrote:
 I’ve been following the “Shipping Status” page for the K4. It’s readily 
 apparent that the K4D is being shipped at a faster rate than the “basic” 
 K4 - no doubt because it sells for a lot more !
>>> 
>>> Yours is the cynical view. I view it as more likely that it is the more 
>>> desired version -- it certainly would be for me, because diversity RX is 
>>> critical.
>>> 
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D shipping

[G4GNX]

Diversity is not needed by everyone, but I would agree that there are probably 
more that use it than don’t, hence the larger number shipped.

73,
Alan - G4GNX




> On 2 Sep 2022, at 19:22, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 9/2/2022 9:15 AM, Hunsdon Cary III wrote:
>> I’ve been following the “Shipping Status” page for the K4. It’s readily 
>> apparent that the K4D is being shipped at a faster rate than the “basic” K4 
>> - no doubt because it sells for a lot more !
> 
> Yours is the cynical view. I view it as more likely that it is the more 
> desired version -- it certainly would be for me, because diversity RX is 
> critical.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D shipping

[Jim Brown]

On 9/2/2022 9:15 AM, Hunsdon Cary III wrote:

I’ve been following the “Shipping Status” page for the K4. It’s readily 
apparent that the K4D is being shipped at a faster rate than the “basic” K4 - 
no doubt because it sells for a lot more !


Yours is the cynical view. I view it as more likely that it is the more 
desired version -- it certainly would be for me, because diversity RX is 
critical.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D shipping

[Hunsdon Cary III]

I’ve been following the “Shipping Status” page for the K4. It’s readily 
apparent that the K4D is being shipped at a faster rate than the “basic” K4 - 
no doubt because it sells for a lot more !
Maybe by Christmas…maybe!
73,
Cary
K4TM 

Sent from Clovelly Cottage II, home of amateur radio station K4TM and the most 
creative Sue Cary, in the foothills of the beautiful Blue Ridge mountains of 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 or K4D

[Bob Schwerdlin]

My situation is similar to Dave's.
I live on a suburban lot 70' x 140' but only have dipoles at the 
moment.  I purchased a K4F (base K4) and have no regrets.  Although I 
still have my FT-1000D and may try for SO2R at some point in the future, 
the base K4 is perfectly adequate.


Bob, WG9L


On 11/5/2021 11:58 AM, Wes wrote:

IMHO, no.

Wes  N7WS

On 11/5/2021 9:05 AM, Dave Barr wrote:
I operate from a 50 by 115 foot lot using a tribander and two open 
wire fed dipoles.  I use a K3 with the auto antenna tuner, but no 
panadapter.  Primary interest is contesting (usually qrp and S) and 
DX chasing.  I never operate 2R in contests. There can be fairly high 
rf noise levels in the neighborhood, say S3 to S6, but not always.


My question is this:  Does the K4D have a real advantage over the 
base K4 for me.


Thanks for your opinions.

Dave, K2YG


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 or K4D?

[Ed W0YK]

Invoice, Packing List, radio menu, radio display, etc.73,Ed W0YK
 Original message From: Roger Stimson  Date: 
11/5/21  12:14  (GMT-08:00) To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K4 
or K4D? How can I tell if I have a K4 or a K4DK8RS  -  RogerSent from 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 or K4D?

[Dave]

Look at the invoice?

On 11/5/21 12:11 PM, Roger Stimson wrote:

How can I tell if I have a K4 or a K4D

K8RS  -  Roger

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 or K4D?

[Kevin McQuiggin]

Menu/Radio Type will tell you!


> On Nov 5, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Roger Stimson  wrote:
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> How can I tell if I have a K4 or a K4D
> 
> K8RS  -  Roger
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[Elecraft] K4 or K4D?

[Roger Stimson]

How can I tell if I have a K4 or a K4D

K8RS  -  Roger

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 or K4D

[Wes]

IMHO, no.

Wes  N7WS

On 11/5/2021 9:05 AM, Dave Barr wrote:
I operate from a 50 by 115 foot lot using a tribander and two open wire fed 
dipoles.  I use a K3 with the auto antenna tuner, but no panadapter.  Primary 
interest is contesting (usually qrp and S) and DX chasing.  I never operate 
2R in contests. There can be fairly high rf noise levels in the neighborhood, 
say S3 to S6, but not always.


My question is this:  Does the K4D have a real advantage over the base K4 for 
me.

Thanks for your opinions.

Dave, K2YG


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 or K4D

[Greg Mitchell]

The reasons to get a K4D over a K4 I think are only:
1) You need diversity receive.
2) You need to receive on two frequencies on different bands while still
having bandpass filters engaged (the K4 can receive on 2 separate bands at
once, but it has to bypass bandpass filters).

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 12:06 PM Dave Barr  wrote:

> I operate from a 50 by 115 foot lot using a tribander and two open wire
> fed dipoles.  I use a K3 with the auto antenna tuner, but no
> panadapter.  Primary interest is contesting (usually qrp and S) and DX
> chasing.  I never operate 2R in contests. There can be fairly high rf
> noise levels in the neighborhood, say S3 to S6, but not always.
>
> My question is this:  Does the K4D have a real advantage over the base
> K4 for me.
>
> Thanks for your opinions.
>
> Dave, K2YG
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[Elecraft] K4 or K4D

[Dave Barr]

I operate from a 50 by 115 foot lot using a tribander and two open wire 
fed dipoles.  I use a K3 with the auto antenna tuner, but no 
panadapter.  Primary interest is contesting (usually qrp and S) and DX 
chasing.  I never operate 2R in contests. There can be fairly high rf 
noise levels in the neighborhood, say S3 to S6, but not always.


My question is this:  Does the K4D have a real advantage over the base 
K4 for me.


Thanks for your opinions.

Dave, K2YG

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D Question

[Chris R. NW6V]

Terry,

I could use your self-description by adding "used to" in the context of
contests (I'm up to 297 confirmed and contest opportunities for the rest
are slim to none).

Then I'd add: "lives on tiny urban/city lot surrounded by both horrible QRM
and hills."

My antennas were as you describe: a 2-el 5-band beam up a whopping 30 feet,
and a wire running through and around trees like a demented pretzel at that
same height. And you're right, while diversity thrives on differences, it
doesn't thrive on THOSE differences.

In my quest for DXCC on 40 and 80, I'd added a pair of DXE active receive
verticals and noise canceller in a failed attempt to phase my way through
the s5-s6 noise wall - there were far too many noise sources for
cancellation to be effective. So I was left with a receive antenna that
didn't work all that well in noise-hell, either.

Then, after letting it sit mostly unused for 6 months, I tried diversity
reception.

Wow.

When you're working down near the noise, QSB can kill many a QSO. But even
with my minimal antennas, the way signals "float" as the RF rotates through
polarizations is remarkable to hear: a signal that would otherwise be lost
often comes up in one ear just as it drops in the other...  I recently
worked VK6LW when he was unreadable on either the long-wire or the receive
ant, but was readable with diversity turned on.

It sometimes seems like the difference between mono and stereo music.

Anyway, diversity reception was unquestionably the key to 80M DXCC from
this QTH.

Point is: if my K3 hadn't already had that second receiver, it's unlikely I
would have added one just to try. So if you can swing the cash - like a
good scout: "be prepared."

73 Chris NW6V


Terry N7TB said:
>
> From: 
>
>1.  I am predominantly a CW operator

> 2.  I do enjoy working DX contests, but as a hunt and pounce guy, just
> looking for countries I may have not worked before.  I am not a serious
> contester trying for points and awards.
> 3.  For non-dx contests, I operate at or near QRP levels to see how
> well
> I am getting out on my antennas.
> 4.  I am predominantly a rag chewer on CW,  or casual operator for
> regular CW QSO's.
> 5.  I have two antennas, one a Yagi for 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10 meters.
> The other is an EFHW  for 30 (with tuner) 40 and 80.
>
> I am not sure diversity receive would be all that useful with such
> different
> antennas.
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D clarification

[stephen shearer]

Terry,

I am most likely at the end of the group, too.
I originally ordered a K4.
I change the order this past spring, to the K4D.
I "don't need" a K4, even.  I have great fun wit a KX3 + PX3 + KXPA100...
I wanted a home station so that the KX3 was my portable station.
I looked at the "D" upgrade as, an "Easter gift" and "the boss" approved.
Yes, I would like to have it for Christmas even if it is a year late.
And it my be Easter 2021...

And as my wife says about buying a dress, it isn't just the dress, it is 
also the accessories...
The accessories will be added this coming Christmas.  Computer, 
Monitor(s), upgrade the coax, and maybe 500 watts + AC power upgrade 
(100 year old house).


73, steve WB3LGC
you can't take it with you.

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Hello all,

  


I am sorry if I miscommunicated.  I have received several private emails
thinking I have been called and expect delivery of a K4.   I have NOT been
called.  I was just referring to when that time comes.  I don't expect a
call for months.  I was very late in the first group.

  


I still need some feedback to help me make my decision when that time comes.

  


73,

  


Terry

  


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[Elecraft] K4 vs K4D again

[n7tb]

I just reread my initial posting.  Typo.  I meant to say when I get the
call, not that I got the call.  So sorry everyone.  I know everyone is
really anxious to get their radios!

 

73,

 

Terry

 

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[Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D clarification

[n7tb]

Hello all,

 

I am sorry if I miscommunicated.  I have received several private emails
thinking I have been called and expect delivery of a K4.   I have NOT been
called.  I was just referring to when that time comes.  I don't expect a
call for months.  I was very late in the first group.

 

I still need some feedback to help me make my decision when that time comes.

 

73,

 

Terry

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D Question

[Logan R Zintsmaster]

Given that the K4 can be upgraded to a K4D in the field, why don’t you start 
out with the K4, how it goes, and decide to upgrade later. 
Logan, KE7AZ 

Entropy is winning. 

> On Oct 4, 2020, at 2:25 PM, n...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> I am rather late in the first prepay group and requested a K4.  I was
> strongly considering upgrading to the K4D when I got the call that my rig
> was about ready to ship.  Now that the pricing is out, I see that it is a
> $900 difference.   That gives me a bit of pause, not because it isn't worth
> the price, but because I am not sure my style of operating would justify it.
> 
> 
> 
> I would appreciate it if some of you with more experience in such things
> might be able to give me some insights.  Here is my operating information:
> 
> 
> 
> 1.I am predominantly a CW operator
> 2.I do enjoy working DX contests, but as a hunt and pounce guy, just
> looking for countries I may have not worked before.  I am not a serious
> contester trying for points and awards.  
> 3.For non-dx contests, I operate at or near QRP levels to see how well
> I am getting out on my antennas.
> 4.I am predominantly a rag chewer on CW,  or casual operator for
> regular CW QSO's.
> 5.I have two antennas, one a Yagi for 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10 meters.
> The other is an EFHW  for 30 (with tuner) 40 and 80.
> 
> 
> 
> I am not sure diversity receive would be all that useful with such different
> antennas.  The yagi is useless as a receive antenna on 30, 40, and 80, and
> the EFHW can receive and transmit on the higher bands, but does not have
> directionality or gain, and the 40 and 80 meter bands are predominantly for
> local and US. operations.  
> 
> 
> 
> I think diversity receive might be useful with QSB conditions if I am
> operating on 20 meters and up and letting the EFHW try to help, but that one
> advantage would not be worth the difference in price for the K4D, especially
> with the band conditions we currently have.  
> 
> 
> 
> If I am going to check a different band, I usually just change bands and
> look at the panadapter to see how active the band is.  Not sure having VFO B
> connected to a different antenna, (like working 20 on the Yagi on A and
> possibly working 40 on the EFHW on B would gain me much.  I would most
> likely just use VFO A, and change bands.
> 
> 
> 
> I look forward to your thoughts and what opportunities I might be missing by
> not getting the K4D.  I would guess there are others in this group that
> would be interested in the responses as they make the same decision.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks so much, and 73,
> 
> 
> 
> Terry, N7TB
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[Elecraft] K4 vs. K4D Question

[n7tb]

I am rather late in the first prepay group and requested a K4.  I was
strongly considering upgrading to the K4D when I got the call that my rig
was about ready to ship.  Now that the pricing is out, I see that it is a
$900 difference.   That gives me a bit of pause, not because it isn't worth
the price, but because I am not sure my style of operating would justify it.

 

I would appreciate it if some of you with more experience in such things
might be able to give me some insights.  Here is my operating information:

 

1.  I am predominantly a CW operator
2.  I do enjoy working DX contests, but as a hunt and pounce guy, just
looking for countries I may have not worked before.  I am not a serious
contester trying for points and awards.  
3.  For non-dx contests, I operate at or near QRP levels to see how well
I am getting out on my antennas.
4.  I am predominantly a rag chewer on CW,  or casual operator for
regular CW QSO's.
5.  I have two antennas, one a Yagi for 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10 meters.
The other is an EFHW  for 30 (with tuner) 40 and 80.

 

I am not sure diversity receive would be all that useful with such different
antennas.  The yagi is useless as a receive antenna on 30, 40, and 80, and
the EFHW can receive and transmit on the higher bands, but does not have
directionality or gain, and the 40 and 80 meter bands are predominantly for
local and US. operations.  

 

I think diversity receive might be useful with QSB conditions if I am
operating on 20 meters and up and letting the EFHW try to help, but that one
advantage would not be worth the difference in price for the K4D, especially
with the band conditions we currently have.  

 

If I am going to check a different band, I usually just change bands and
look at the panadapter to see how active the band is.  Not sure having VFO B
connected to a different antenna, (like working 20 on the Yagi on A and
possibly working 40 on the EFHW on B would gain me much.  I would most
likely just use VFO A, and change bands.

 

I look forward to your thoughts and what opportunities I might be missing by
not getting the K4D.  I would guess there are others in this group that
would be interested in the responses as they make the same decision.

 

Thanks so much, and 73,

 

Terry, N7TB

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