Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
CW REV Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 27, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > Wouldn't taking the headphones off, rotating them 180 degrees and put them > back on do the trick? That way left would be right and right would be left. > > Guess I'm too dense to understand the acoustic phenomenon. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > > >> On 8/27/2018 12:36 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: >> A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't >> understand the tech here (hear?). >> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE wrote: >>> >>> Wayne, >>> >>> It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. >>> >>> That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the >>> right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, >>> depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would >>> slide to the left based on the tuning speed. >>> >>> In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to >>> left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it >>> matches the tuning 'sense'. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> -- Dave, N8SBE >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jimk...@gmail.com >>> >> > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Another complicating factor is whether you are listening in CW or CW reverse. I would think that the DPDT switch would be the best solution. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2018 2:47 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: Think of it this way. Let's say that your default CW note tone is 500 Hz. When you're zero-beat with someone at 500Hz they're "right in the middle" of your ears. Equal signal left and right. A 750 Hz tone would appear in your right ear, and a 350 Hz tone in your left. As you move the VFO from where you are, tuning "up" the band, that 750 Hz tone would "slide across your head" to the left, and when you zero beat it, it's right in the middle. If you keep tuning in that same direction, that same signal would start to favor the left ear, and below a pre-set threshold, would appear only in your left ear. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Think of it this way. Let's say that your default CW note tone is 500 Hz. When you're zero-beat with someone at 500Hz they're "right in the middle" of your ears. Equal signal left and right. A 750 Hz tone would appear in your right ear, and a 350 Hz tone in your left. As you move the VFO from where you are, tuning "up" the band, that 750 Hz tone would "slide across your head" to the left, and when you zero beat it, it's right in the middle. If you keep tuning in that same direction, that same signal would start to favor the left ear, and below a pre-set threshold, would appear only in your left ear. I'd gladly pay to have what the OP is asking for as well. - pjd -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:25 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode Wouldn't taking the headphones off, rotating them 180 degrees and put them back on do the trick? That way left would be right and right would be left. Guess I'm too dense to understand the acoustic phenomenon. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/27/2018 12:36 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't > understand the tech here (hear?). > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE wrote: > >> Wayne, >> >> It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. >> >> That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the >> right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, >> depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would >> slide to the left based on the tuning speed. >> >> In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to >> left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it >> matches the tuning 'sense'. >> >> 73, >> >> -- Dave, N8SBE >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jimk...@gmail.com >> > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@w2irt.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Wouldn't taking the headphones off, rotating them 180 degrees and put them back on do the trick? That way left would be right and right would be left. Guess I'm too dense to understand the acoustic phenomenon. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/27/2018 12:36 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't understand the tech here (hear?). On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE wrote: Wayne, It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would slide to the left based on the tuning speed. In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it matches the tuning 'sense'. 73, -- Dave, N8SBE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimk...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't understand the tech here (hear?). On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE wrote: > Wayne, > > It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. > > That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the > right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, > depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would > slide to the left based on the tuning speed. > > In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to > left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it > matches the tuning 'sense'. > > 73, > > -- Dave, N8SBE > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk...@gmail.com > -- Jim K0XU j...@rhodesend.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Wayne, It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would slide to the left based on the tuning speed. In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it matches the tuning 'sense'. 73, -- Dave, N8SBE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Great news. I hope it makes an appearance soon. Several years ago I cobbled together a crude version of this functionality using a pair of ancient Autek QF-1A audio filters. The left side filter was configured as a low pass and the right was configured as a high pass. If I spent enough time fooling with the filter tunings and carefully matching output levels it produced some pretty interesting and useful effects. I believe I used it in a Sweepstakes CW effort and as I recall it was very helpful for sorting out multiple signals in my receiver passband. I eventually abandoned the project because it was just too finicky to be reliable. It would really be great to have a good implementation available at the touch of a button. 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/21/2018 9:44 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi Randy, PITCH mode is not available on the K3 at this time. It was a bit of an experiment when we added it to the KX3 (which uses a different DSP chip). We liked it, and kept it. It's on the list for future addition to the K3/K3S. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
That would be a very good thing, especially if the midpoint of the soundstage followed the Pitch setting. When wearing headphones, it would also be less tiring to use if the soundstage had some “spaciousness” to it rather than signals appearing on a simple straight line inside the skull from from one eardrum to the other. I don’t know how to describe this technically, although I know it when I hear it. The existing AFX options in the K3 provide something close, as does the Delay option on the KX3. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 21, 2018, at 10:44 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Randy, > > PITCH mode is not available on the K3 at this time. It was a bit of an > experiment when we added it to the KX3 (which uses a different DSP chip). We > liked it, and kept it. > > It's on the list for future addition to the K3/K3S. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Hi Randy, PITCH mode is not available on the K3 at this time. It was a bit of an experiment when we added it to the KX3 (which uses a different DSP chip). We liked it, and kept it. It's on the list for future addition to the K3/K3S. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 21, 2018, at 7:38 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: > > Hmmm... My K3S has Firmware V5.62 (latest production) installed. As > describedin the latest available version of the K3S manual, the only AFX MODE > settings are DELAY 1 through DELAY 5 and BIN. PITCH is not an option. Wayne's > message refers explicitly to the KX3. Indeed, the KX3 manual shows the > available AFX MODE choices to be DELAY and PITCH. > > 73... > Randy, W8FN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Hmmm... My K3S has Firmware V5.62 (latest production) installed. As describedin the latest available version of the K3S manual, the only AFX MODE settings are DELAY 1 through DELAY 5 and BIN. PITCH is not an option. Wayne's message refers explicitly to the KX3. Indeed, the KX3 manual shows the available AFX MODE choices to be DELAY and PITCH. 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/21/2018 9:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Randy, It is in the manual. AFX has been in the K3 since its beginning. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/21/2018 10:12 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: Looks like I messed up and failed to read some of the firmware release notes again. This is good news. I'll hunt it up and try it. Thanks for the info. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Randy, It is in the manual. AFX has been in the K3 since its beginning. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/21/2018 10:12 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: Looks like I messed up and failed to read some of the firmware release notes again. This is good news. I'll hunt it up and try it. Thanks for the info. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Looks like I messed up and failed to read some of the firmware release notes again. This is good news. I'll hunt it up and try it. Thanks for the info. 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/21/2018 9:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Randy, The AFX is already in the K3/K3X. Tap the AFX button to turn it on and select the AFX mode that you want to use. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Randy, The AFX is already in the K3/K3X. Tap the AFX button to turn it on and select the AFX mode that you want to use. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/21/2018 9:16 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: This sounds extremely useful for contest pileup management. Will it also be implemented for the K3? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
This sounds extremely useful for contest pileup management. Will it also be implemented for the K3? 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/21/2018 7:59 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi all, The KX3 has two different AFX (audio effects) modes: DELAY (simulated stereo) and PITCH (binaural pitch mapping). DELAY is the default, and it can greatly reduce operating fatigue as compared to mono audio. PITCH is sometimes overlooked as an option, but it too can make listening more enjoyable. Especially on a busy CW band segment. When AFX is set to PITCH, all of the signals in the passband will be "mapped" into a left-to-right acoustic space based on their pitch. Lower-pitched signals map to the left, higher pitches to the right. We describe it as a "sound stage" because it's similar to what you hear in a theater when there are multiple voices or musical instruments. With each signal occupying its own binaural niche, it's easier to pick them out and to recognize them. This can be very useful in contests, on nets, or when working DX split. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode
Hi all, The KX3 has two different AFX (audio effects) modes: DELAY (simulated stereo) and PITCH (binaural pitch mapping). DELAY is the default, and it can greatly reduce operating fatigue as compared to mono audio. PITCH is sometimes overlooked as an option, but it too can make listening more enjoyable. Especially on a busy CW band segment. When AFX is set to PITCH, all of the signals in the passband will be "mapped" into a left-to-right acoustic space based on their pitch. Lower-pitched signals map to the left, higher pitches to the right. We describe it as a "sound stage" because it's similar to what you hear in a theater when there are multiple voices or musical instruments. With each signal occupying its own binaural niche, it's easier to pick them out and to recognize them. This can be very useful in contests, on nets, or when working DX split. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
