Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Richard Fjeld]

The first thing I do when I buy a new computer is to un-install any 
third party virus/security software that is on it, before it can become 
embedded.
I am  very satisfied with Windows Defender.  It has surprised me a 
couple times by catching Trojans with a high warning.

Dick, n0ce


On 3/18/2017 12:42 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> After I got tired of both Norton and McAfee and dumped them years ago, I
> have been using AVG without incident for at least a decade now. And doing
> research via the WEB, I'm all over the place downloading files, etc., from
> unknown sites as well as dealing with attachments to e-mails daily.
>
> AVG has a free version but you must remember to manually update it daily. I
> willingly pay for good stuff that works, so I have a paid subscription.
> Costs about $22/year for each machine.
>
> I've considered switching to Windows Defender but also avoid fixing things
> that aren't broken.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I was tasked to remove it of a bunch of servers once.





  From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" <pin...@erols.com>
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by 
Norton Internet Security in Windows 7
   
YEP,  Norton IS a bear to get rid of.
It almost takes smashing the computer to kill it.

Chas

   
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Don Wilhelm]

Windows Defender (Win8 and Win10) does a fine job, and it comes with 
Windows (no extra expense).  For Win7, Microsoft Security Essentials 
(also free, but you have to download it) is also very good.


Use those tools as well as some good common sense - don't click on links 
in emails unless you know them to be safe, and do not listen to that 
phone call supposedly from Microsoft telling you that your computer is 
causing problems on the internet.


I got one of those calls 2 days ago, and when I asked him to identify 
the IP address of my 8 computers connected to the internet was causing 
the problem, he said "just hang up"!


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/18/2017 1:37 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

YEP,  Norton IS a bear to get rid of.
It almost takes smashing the computer to kill it.

Chas

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Josh
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:16 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked)
by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

Dumped Norton many years ago. It's nearly a virus itself. Haven't seen a
replacement suggested yet, so.. I've been very happy with NOD32. It's around
$30/yr, not the cheapest, but hasn't let me down. Have also heard good
reviews of Avast which is (used to be?) free.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

After I got tired of both Norton and McAfee and dumped them years ago, I
have been using AVG without incident for at least a decade now. And doing
research via the WEB, I'm all over the place downloading files, etc., from
unknown sites as well as dealing with attachments to e-mails daily. 

AVG has a free version but you must remember to manually update it daily. I
willingly pay for good stuff that works, so I have a paid subscription.
Costs about $22/year for each machine. 

I've considered switching to Windows Defender but also avoid fixing things
that aren't broken.

73, Ron AC7AC

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Josh
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 10:16 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked)
by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

Dumped Norton many years ago. It's nearly a virus itself. Haven't seen a
replacement suggested yet, so.. I've been very happy with NOD32. It's around
$30/yr, not the cheapest, but hasn't let me down. Have also heard good
reviews of Avast which is (used to be?) free. 

73,
Josh W6XU

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> On Mar 17, 2017, at 11:26 PM, n...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> I will second that suggestion. Norton takes total control of most all
programs and sees ham software as virus. Dumped Norton over a decade ago. 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

YEP,  Norton IS a bear to get rid of.
It almost takes smashing the computer to kill it.

Chas

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Josh
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:16 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked)
by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

Dumped Norton many years ago. It's nearly a virus itself. Haven't seen a
replacement suggested yet, so.. I've been very happy with NOD32. It's around
$30/yr, not the cheapest, but hasn't let me down. Have also heard good
reviews of Avast which is (used to be?) free. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Mar 17, 2017, at 11:26 PM, n...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> I will second that suggestion. Norton takes total control of most all
programs and sees ham software as virus. Dumped Norton over a decade ago. 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Josh]

Dumped Norton many years ago. It's nearly a virus itself. Haven't seen a 
replacement suggested yet, so.. I've been very happy with NOD32. It's around 
$30/yr, not the cheapest, but hasn't let me down. Have also heard good reviews 
of Avast which is (used to be?) free. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Mar 17, 2017, at 11:26 PM, n...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> I will second that suggestion. Norton takes total control of most all 
> programs and sees ham software as virus. Dumped Norton over a decade ago. 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Tony Estep]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Jim Brown 
wrote:

> On Fri,3/17/2017 10:52 PM, Oliver Barrett wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions on how to get around this?
>>
>
> Easy. Dump Norton. I see repeated issues with that software screwing up
> ham software.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

=
What Jim said. According to my son who works at Google, Microsoft Defender
is just as good as Norton and much less likely to interfere with the
Windows system. Defender is built in to Windows, costs nothing, updates
automatically and scans automatically, and is the recommended virus
protection of several CS faculties.

73,
Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Kevin]

The word Anti-Virus has always been a misnomer.

The AV software is ALWAYS going to be 12-24 hours behind the malware 
writers. If you get bit, the AV software may find it after you update 
definitions...but it might not. If you get bit by the wrong bug no 
amount of fiddling with AV definitions is going to remove the infection. 
Most AV software is mediocre at best when it comes to removing 
virii/malware. Learn how to remove virii/malware manually and how to 
re-install operating systems from boot media or archived disk image.


Yes...I know...most people don't want to learn these things. I think of 
it as job security.



On 3/18/2017 10:24 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

I would dump Norton's


Years ago (when Norton had it) his stuff was pretty good Symantec,
seems to have turned most the stuff Norton wrote into bloatware.
I have never had a virus and I've been working with computers for over 35 years.

What I now use is simply the Microsoft security essentials (and common sense).

Another thing is to change the user account control settings in Windows
to at a minimum have you notified when a program tries to make a change.





From: Oliver Barrett <hoosa...@hotmail.com>
To: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Cc: Oliver Barrett <hoosa...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by 
Norton Internet Security in Windows 7



Hi all,


My Norton Internet Security removed the KX3 firmware update utility from my 
Windows 7 PC after I tried to download it, based on crowdsourcing criteria 
(only a few hundred users and over a year old).


Any suggestions on how to get around this?


Thanks!

Oliver Barrett  KB6BA
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I would dump Norton's


Years ago (when Norton had it) his stuff was pretty good Symantec,
seems to have turned most the stuff Norton wrote into bloatware.
I have never had a virus and I've been working with computers for over 35 years.

What I now use is simply the Microsoft security essentials (and common sense).

Another thing is to change the user account control settings in Windows
to at a minimum have you notified when a program tries to make a change. 





From: Oliver Barrett <hoosa...@hotmail.com>
To: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> 
Cc: Oliver Barrett <hoosa...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 1:55 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by 
Norton Internet Security in Windows 7



Hi all,


My Norton Internet Security removed the KX3 firmware update utility from my 
Windows 7 PC after I tried to download it, based on crowdsourcing criteria 
(only a few hundred users and over a year old).


Any suggestions on how to get around this?


Thanks!

Oliver Barrett  KB6BA
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked)by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[lmarion]

sorry you went thru that annoyance.

I have used  Norton  exclusively and have never had a virus
or a Norton induced problem.

73,  Leroy  AB7CE



-Original Message- 
From: Ken Talbott

Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 7:05 AM
To: 'lmarion' ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked)by 
Norton Internet Security in Windows 7


Baaa! I resemble that snarky remark.
Norton is the only utility that
corrupted my OS and required complete
re-installation.
Ken ke4rg

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
] On Behalf Of lmarion
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 8:54 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update
utility download removed (i.e.
blocked)by Norton Internet Security in
Windows 7

My work and hobbies are not limited to
amateur radio.
Many fringe use programs are scrutinized
by several different security monitoring
software.
My main hobby of astrophotography uses
programs that trigger extra scrutiny
frequently.
They are doing their job.  Simple as
that.  Norton allows the intelligent
user to control that scrutiny.

Be proud you are not running with the
sheep that never push the limits.

Leroy AB7CE


-Original Message-
From: Ken Talbott
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 6:18 AM
To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com ;
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update
utility download removed (i.e.
blocked)by Norton Internet Security in
Windows 7

Agreed!

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft
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] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update
utility download removed (i.e. blocked)
by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

On Fri,3/17/2017 10:52 PM, Oliver
Barrett wrote:

Any suggestions on how to get around

this?

Easy. Dump Norton. I see repeated issues
with that software screwing up ham
software.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked)by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Ken Talbott]

Baaa! I resemble that snarky remark.
Norton is the only utility that
corrupted my OS and required complete
re-installation.
Ken ke4rg

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
] On Behalf Of lmarion
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 8:54 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update
utility download removed (i.e.
blocked)by Norton Internet Security in
Windows 7

My work and hobbies are not limited to
amateur radio.
Many fringe use programs are scrutinized
by several different security monitoring
software.
My main hobby of astrophotography uses
programs that trigger extra scrutiny
frequently.
They are doing their job.  Simple as
that.  Norton allows the intelligent
user to control that scrutiny.

Be proud you are not running with the
sheep that never push the limits.

Leroy AB7CE


-Original Message-
From: Ken Talbott
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 6:18 AM
To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com ;
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update
utility download removed (i.e.
blocked)by Norton Internet Security in
Windows 7

Agreed!

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft
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] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update
utility download removed (i.e. blocked)
by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

On Fri,3/17/2017 10:52 PM, Oliver
Barrett wrote:
> Any suggestions on how to get around
this?

Easy. Dump Norton. I see repeated issues
with that software screwing up ham
software.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Don Wilhelm]

Norton's method of "protection" is simply to block everything it does 
not have sufficient experience with.  That means most ham radio 
applications will be blocked.
IMHO, a very poor way to "detect" a virus - it does not have to do any 
'detecting' at all.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/18/2017 7:58 AM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote:


Norton is a bit aggressive these days.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked)by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[lmarion]

My work and hobbies are not limited to amateur radio.
Many fringe use programs are scrutinized by several different security 
monitoring software.
My main hobby of astrophotography uses programs that trigger extra scrutiny 
frequently.
They are doing their job.  Simple as that.  Norton allows the intelligent 
user to control that scrutiny.


Be proud you are not running with the sheep that never push the limits.

Leroy AB7CE


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Talbott

Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 6:18 AM
To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked)by 
Norton Internet Security in Windows 7


Agreed!

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] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update
utility download removed (i.e. blocked)
by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

On Fri,3/17/2017 10:52 PM, Oliver
Barrett wrote:

Any suggestions on how to get around

this?

Easy. Dump Norton. I see repeated issues
with that software screwing up ham
software.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Ken Talbott]

Agreed!  

-Original Message-
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] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 2:05 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update
utility download removed (i.e. blocked)
by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

On Fri,3/17/2017 10:52 PM, Oliver
Barrett wrote:
> Any suggestions on how to get around
this?

Easy. Dump Norton. I see repeated issues
with that software screwing up ham
software.

73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft]

Oliver,

I have Windows 7, so hopefully this will apply to your OS.

Go to the lower right of your screen.  If you have the standard
configuration, there will be a system tray. Left click on the "up arrow" to
bring up the hidden icons.  Right click on the Norton Icon, which is a
yellow check mark with a green one within.  Click on "Disable Auto Protect".
It will give you a protection warning pop-up, and lets you select the
duration of disabling the Auto Protect.  15 minutes is generally enough
time.  Download the file, and install as usual.

Norton is a bit aggressive these days.

'73 de JIM N2ZZ

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Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by
Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

Hi all,

My Norton Internet Security removed the KX3 firmware update utility from my
Windows 7 PC after I tried to download it, based on crowdsourcing criteria
(only a few hundred users and over a year old).

Any suggestions on how to get around this?

Thanks!
Oliver Barrett  KB6BA

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Leroy Marion]

Norton will allow you to override and installs it just fine.

Leroy AB7CE

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Oliver
Barrett
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 11:52 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Cc: Oliver Barrett <hoosa...@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by
Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

Hi all,

My Norton Internet Security removed the KX3 firmware update utility from my
Windows 7 PC after I tried to download it, based on crowdsourcing criteria
(only a few hundred users and over a year old).

Any suggestions on how to get around this?

Thanks!
Oliver Barrett  KB6BA

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[n9tf]

I will second that suggestion. Norton takes total control of most all programs 
and sees ham software as virus. Dumped Norton over a decade ago. 

Gene
N9TF
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From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 06:05:06 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by 
Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

On Fri,3/17/2017 10:52 PM, Oliver Barrett wrote:
> Any suggestions on how to get around this?

Easy. Dump Norton. I see repeated issues with that software screwing up 
ham software.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Jim Brown]

On Fri,3/17/2017 10:52 PM, Oliver Barrett wrote:

Any suggestions on how to get around this?


Easy. Dump Norton. I see repeated issues with that software screwing up 
ham software.


73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] KX3 update utility download removed (i.e. blocked) by Norton Internet Security in Windows 7

[Oliver Barrett]

Hi all,

My Norton Internet Security removed the KX3 firmware update utility from my 
Windows 7 PC after I tried to download it, based on crowdsourcing criteria 
(only a few hundred users and over a year old).

Any suggestions on how to get around this?

Thanks!
Oliver Barrett  KB6BA

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