Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread n3xx
Most operation here is CW & digital, and sometimes SSB, so I need to be 
able to move the mic up and out of the way when not needed.  Can any 
SB45 users tell me if the mic can be moved to a full vertical position? 
 I have looked at pictures, but can't tell how far it will move.


Tnx & 73,
Tim - N3XX

On 2016-01-05 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:

Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
http://marc.info/?l=elecraft=145134615022993=2

I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY Roundup
contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour contest
sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or better
than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, including myself, seems to
think is very good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone height
adjustment, where equal pressure is applied above and below the ears,
and it feels really super at that point, even for an eyeglass wearer
like myself.  My ears didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and the
SB-45 headband has nice soft padding that didn't irritate the top of my
bald head like the CM-500 sometimes does.

Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the CM-500, at
about half the price.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Gary
Ordered mine tonight also. Looking forward to getting them
Gary 

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Sent: ‎7/‎01/‎2016 12:21 AM
To: "Reflector Elecraft" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so I'll get 
an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)

73,
Tim - N3XX


On 2016-01-06 8:38 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> The mic does move to full vertical to get it out of the way.
>
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> -Original Message- From: n...@charter.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:29 AM
> To: Dave Hachadorian ; Reflector Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort
>
> Most operation here is CW & digital, and sometimes SSB, so I need
> to be
> able to move the mic up and out of the way when not needed.  Can
> any
> SB45 users tell me if the mic can be moved to a full vertical
> position?
>   I have looked at pictures, but can't tell how far it will move.
>
> Tnx & 73,
> Tim - N3XX
>
> On 2016-01-05 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
>> Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
>> http://marc.info/?l=elecraft=145134615022993=2
>>
>> I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY
>> Roundup
>> contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour
>> contest
>> sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or
>> better
>> than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, including myself,
>> seems to
>> think is very good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone
>> height
>> adjustment, where equal pressure is applied above and below the
>> ears,
>> and it feels really super at that point, even for an eyeglass
>> wearer
>> like myself.  My ears didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and
>> the
>> SB-45 headband has nice soft padding that didn't irritate the
>> top of my
>> bald head like the CM-500 sometimes does.
>>
>> Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the
>> CM-500, at
>> about half the price.
>>
>> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>> .
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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Dave Hachadorian

The mic does move to full vertical to get it out of the way.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


-Original Message- 
From: n...@charter.net

Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:29 AM
To: Dave Hachadorian ; Reflector Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

Most operation here is CW & digital, and sometimes SSB, so I need
to be
able to move the mic up and out of the way when not needed.  Can
any
SB45 users tell me if the mic can be moved to a full vertical
position?
 I have looked at pictures, but can't tell how far it will move.

Tnx & 73,
Tim - N3XX

On 2016-01-05 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:

Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
http://marc.info/?l=elecraft=145134615022993=2

I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY
Roundup
contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour
contest
sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or
better
than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, including myself,
seems to
think is very good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone
height
adjustment, where equal pressure is applied above and below the
ears,
and it feels really super at that point, even for an eyeglass
wearer
like myself.  My ears didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and
the
SB-45 headband has nice soft padding that didn't irritate the
top of my
bald head like the CM-500 sometimes does.

Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the
CM-500, at
about half the price.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread n3xx
Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so I'll get 
an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)


73,
Tim - N3XX


On 2016-01-06 8:38 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:

The mic does move to full vertical to get it out of the way.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


-Original Message- From: n...@charter.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 4:29 AM
To: Dave Hachadorian ; Reflector Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

Most operation here is CW & digital, and sometimes SSB, so I need
to be
able to move the mic up and out of the way when not needed.  Can
any
SB45 users tell me if the mic can be moved to a full vertical
position?
  I have looked at pictures, but can't tell how far it will move.

Tnx & 73,
Tim - N3XX

On 2016-01-05 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:

Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
http://marc.info/?l=elecraft=145134615022993=2

I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY
Roundup
contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour
contest
sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or
better
than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, including myself,
seems to
think is very good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone
height
adjustment, where equal pressure is applied above and below the
ears,
and it feels really super at that point, even for an eyeglass
wearer
like myself.  My ears didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and
the
SB-45 headband has nice soft padding that didn't irritate the
top of my
bald head like the CM-500 sometimes does.

Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the
CM-500, at
about half the price.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


.

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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Jim Brown

On Wed,1/6/2016 9:32 AM, David Anderson wrote:

I was under the impression that the Koss SB-45 already used an electret mic 
insert? I don't have one (I  use a Yamaha CM500), but gleaned this from earlier 
reviews on this reflector. Perhaps you are referring to a different model?


Electret and dynamic mics are equally good for ham radio. Use whatever 
comes with the headset you like and be happy. All that matters is that 
electret mics need bias turned on and dynamic mics do not.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Dave Hachadorian
The SB-45 is already electret.  You must be thinking of the SB-40 
which has a dynamic element, and reportedly sounds pretty bad.



Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


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Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 9:59 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

Hi All,
It is also easy to change the magnetic mic insert for an electret 
since

the K3 has the extra components already installed.
73
Tim
GM4LMH

On 06/01/2016 14:20, n...@charter.net wrote:
Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so 
I'll get an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)


73,
Tim - N3XX




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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Alan

On 01/06/2016 10:42 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:

The SB-45 is already electret.  You must be thinking of the SB-40 which
has a dynamic element, and reportedly sounds pretty bad.


I bought a SB-40 awhile back. The headphones sound great but the mic is 
totally unusable. The volume is extremely low and muffled sounding.


I'm thinking of getting a hacksaw and opening up the microphone case to 
see if there is something wrong inside.


Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Augie "Gus" Hansen

Hi Jim,

Electret and dynamic mics are equally good for ham radio. Use whatever 
comes with the headset you like and be happy. All that matters is that 
electret mics need bias turned on and dynamic mics do not.


Do you know why Elecraft calls the power provided to an electret element 
BIAS? Unlike the large form condenser microphone elements that need both 
polarizing potential and preamp power, usually provided via a "phantom 
power" circuit, an electret element is permanently polarized. The power 
applied via the phantom circuit is actually providing only the drain 
voltage for the FET preamp in the electret microphone capsule, not any 
kind of biasing voltage.


Of course we have similar terminology used in systems that provide 
control voltages or operating power to remote equipment: The so-called 
BIAS-TEE used to inject and extract power over a coaxial cable, for 
example.


I haven't found any official documentation for these types of circuits 
that uses the BIAS moniker. Are there any references that you might 
point to?


Cheers,
Gus Hansen
KB0YH

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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread David Anderson
Tim, 

I was under the impression that the Koss SB-45 already used an electret mic 
insert? I don't have one (I  use a Yamaha CM500), but gleaned this from earlier 
reviews on this reflector. Perhaps you are referring to a different model?

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 6 Jan 2016, at 16:59, Tim  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> It is also easy to change the magnetic mic insert for an electret since the 
> K3 has the extra components already installed.
> 73
> Tim
> GM4LMH
> 
>> On 06/01/2016 14:20, n...@charter.net wrote:
>> Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so I'll get an 
>> SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Tim - N3XX
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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Tim

Hi All,
It is also easy to change the magnetic mic insert for an electret since 
the K3 has the extra components already installed.

73
Tim
GM4LMH

On 06/01/2016 14:20, n...@charter.net wrote:
Thanks for the info Dave. My old headset needs replacement, so I'll 
get an SB45 and give it a try. The price looks right :-)


73,
Tim - N3XX




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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Robin Moseley
are you running these things  directly into the K3, or via a mic input lead 
from Heil??


Robin G1MHU 


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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread n9tf
Gus, 
  
I think the term bias, or bias voltage is a pretty generic term when meaning 
applying a voltage or current to turn on a device, in this instance a 
microphone element that requires voltage to operate. 
  
http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/What-is-bias-voltage 
  
73 Gene, N9TF 

- Original Message -

From: "Augie \"Gus\" Hansen" <augie.han...@comcast.net> 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 1:02:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort 

Hi Jim, 

> Electret and dynamic mics are equally good for ham radio. Use whatever 
> comes with the headset you like and be happy. All that matters is that 
> electret mics need bias turned on and dynamic mics do not. 

Do you know why Elecraft calls the power provided to an electret element 
BIAS? Unlike the large form condenser microphone elements that need both 
polarizing potential and preamp power, usually provided via a "phantom 
power" circuit, an electret element is permanently polarized. The power 
applied via the phantom circuit is actually providing only the drain 
voltage for the FET preamp in the electret microphone capsule, not any 
kind of biasing voltage. 

Of course we have similar terminology used in systems that provide 
control voltages or operating power to remote equipment: The so-called 
BIAS-TEE used to inject and extract power over a coaxial cable, for 
example. 

I haven't found any official documentation for these types of circuits 
that uses the BIAS moniker. Are there any references that you might 
point to? 

Cheers, 
Gus Hansen 
KB0YH 

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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
One other point is  many professional type condenser or like type mikes 
do have internal active amplification.  They require a couple of 
miliamps of operating  current as opposed to just placing a charge on 
the element.   In this case it is normal for the mixing console to 
provide "phantom power" which is sent along the mike line between the 
console and mike.  For those consoles that do not have internal phantom 
power systems, a separate external source is required and provided.


73
 Bob, K4TAX

On 1/6/2016 2:22 PM, n...@comcast.net wrote:

Gus,
   
I think the term bias, or bias voltage is a pretty generic term when meaning applying a voltage or current to turn on a device, in this instance a microphone element that requires voltage to operate.
   
http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/What-is-bias-voltage  



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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-06 Thread Jim Brown

On Wed,1/6/2016 11:02 AM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote:
Do you know why Elecraft calls the power provided to an electret 
element BIAS? Unlike the large form condenser microphone elements that 
need both polarizing potential and preamp power, usually provided via 
a "phantom power" circuit, an electret element is permanently 
polarized. The power applied via the phantom circuit is actually 
providing only the drain voltage for the FET preamp in the electret 
microphone capsule, not any kind of biasing voltage. 


That's exactly the reason, Gus -- electret elements have VERY high 
output Z, so they have a built-in FET follow circuit to get the source Z 
down to the level that it can drive the load of an audio stage. The 
circuit it's driving provides a positive voltage to operate that FET, 
through a resistor, typically around 5K, that serves as the load Z for 
the FET follower.


And, BTW -- pro electret mics, whose outputs are balanced, also include 
preamps with output Z designed to drive pro mic input stages. The output 
Z of the preamps built into those pro mics is typically in the range of 
100 - 400 ohms.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-05 Thread Dave Hachadorian

Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
http://marc.info/?l=elecraft=145134615022993=2

I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY Roundup 
contest, so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour 
contest sessions this past weekend, and found its comfort equal 
to or better than the Yamaha CM-500, which most everyone, 
including myself, seems to think is very good.  There is a sweet 
spot in the headphone height adjustment, where equal pressure is 
applied above and below the ears, and it feels really super at 
that point, even for an eyeglass wearer like myself.  My ears 
didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and the SB-45 headband has 
nice soft padding that didn't irritate the top of my bald head 
like the CM-500 sometimes does.


Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the CM-500, 
at about half the price.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ


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Re: [Elecraft] Koss SB-45 Headset, update on comfort

2016-01-05 Thread Anthony Scandurra
For you DXpeditioners, it should be noted that the Koss SB-45 folds up
quite nicely for easier packing.  See the Koss website's photos of them in
the folded up configuration.

https://www.koss.com/headphones/headsets/sb45-824

Thanks for the review of the headset, Dave!

73, Tony K4QE

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Dave Hachadorian 
wrote:

> Last week I posted my impressions of the Koss SB-45 here:
> http://marc.info/?l=elecraft=145134615022993=2
>
> I promised an update on long-term comfort after the RTTY Roundup contest,
> so this is it.  I wore this headset for two 12 hour contest sessions this
> past weekend, and found its comfort equal to or better than the Yamaha
> CM-500, which most everyone, including myself, seems to think is very
> good.  There is a sweet spot in the headphone height adjustment, where
> equal pressure is applied above and below the ears, and it feels really
> super at that point, even for an eyeglass wearer like myself.  My ears
> didn't get as hot as with the CM-500, and the SB-45 headband has nice soft
> padding that didn't irritate the top of my bald head like the CM-500
> sometimes does.
>
> Overall, I think the SB-45 is equal to or better than the CM-500, at about
> half the price.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
> .
>
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