[Elecraft] N1MM+ Logger CW reader and the K3S

[NJMike]

I'm considering trying the CW Reader available in N1MM+ Logger, even though
the K3S has that functionality.  My laptop is currently connected to the USB
port on the rig.  According to the K3S manual, that should handle all the
necessary communications between the laptop and the rig (I think).  

The N1MM documentation does not make reference to a USB connection, only to
using a line out port from the rig to an audio input on the laptop, in my
case that would be a combined microphone/headset jack.

Between the three CW reader engine options discussed in the N1MM
documentation, I think I would go with Fldigi.

I would appreciate any ideas/tips/comments, especially from anyone who has
specifically set up this Logger/rig combination.

As always, thanks in advance!
--
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM+ logger

[Ted Bryant]

Try this:

<http://n1mmplus.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Supported+Radios=
N1MM+Logger+Documentation#K3_and_K3S>

73, Ted W4NZ


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Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM+ logger

Somewhere I read a "cheat sheet" page for setting up my K3S with N1MM+
Logger.  I'm installing N1MM+ on a new PC and can't find the cheat sheet
anymore.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?  Would anyone have a copy or a link they
could share?

73 de Chuck, WS1L

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[Elecraft] N1MM+ logger

[Chuck Chandler]

Somewhere I read a "cheat sheet" page for setting up my K3S with N1MM+
Logger.  I'm installing N1MM+ on a new PC and can't find the cheat sheet
anymore.

Does this ring a bell with anyone?  Would anyone have a copy or a link they
could share?

73 de Chuck, WS1L

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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[k.alexander]

Hopefully it will get nipped in the bud before it degenerates into another 
Linux vs Windows debate...
73,
Ken Alexander VE3HLS 


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 
Mike va3mw <va...@portcredit.net> Date: 2016-07-10  08:21  (GMT-05:00) To: Guy 
Olinger K2AV <k2av@gmail.com> Cc: "Dauer, Edward" <eda...@law.du.edu>, 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net, a45wg <-unkno...@sy-edm.com> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 
N1MM Logger + 
Why is this discussion on the Elecraft reflector and not the N1MM reflector?  

Mike va3mw

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:33 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Visual Basic .NET and SQLite are the essentials.
> 
> 73, Guy K2AV
> 
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2016, a45wg <-unkno...@sy-edm.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Guy,
>> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ?
>> 
>> Tim - A45WG
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','k2av@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
>> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
>> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
>> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
>> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
>> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
>> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
>> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Mike va3mw]

Why is this discussion on the Elecraft reflector and not the N1MM reflector?  

Mike va3mw

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:33 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV  wrote:
> 
> Visual Basic .NET and SQLite are the essentials.
> 
> 73, Guy K2AV
> 
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2016, a45wg <-unkno...@sy-edm.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Guy,
>> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ?
>> 
>> Tim - A45WG
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
>> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
>> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
>> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
>> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
>> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
>> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
>> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Bob Nielsen]

I disagree somewhat.  Whenever I have connected new hardware to my Macs, 
the drivers were already there and I didn't need to find and install 
them as I often have needed to to on Windows.  I realize this won't 
always be the case but it is nice when things work this way.


The difficulties with Linux can vary considerably depending on the 
distribution used and it takes some degree of experience to solve these 
difficulties when they are encountered but at least you can often see 
where things are failing, something which is often hidden from Windows 
users.


I retired when Windows was at the 3.1 stage and Linux was pre-1.0, so my 
computing these days is more of a hobby than actual work, but it's a 
good way to keep the brain cells engaged.  I still haven't fully 
transitioned from the command line do a lot using the Terminal app.


Bob, N7XY

On 7/10/16 1:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Sat,7/9/2016 9:40 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:

“I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.”

Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy 
as it is on Windows I don’t think it will ever happen.


I'm VERY strongly in Ken's camp on this one. I started with computers 
in the early '80s with a measurement system running in CP/M, which I 
took the time to learn. I also took the time to learn DOS, and to do 
relatively simple programming in SBASIC and BASIC. A few years down 
the road, I transitioned to Windoze, because that's where the 
engineering applications I needed ran. Later, I tried to make OS/2 
work for me, but I spent more time getting those specialty Windoze 
apps to run in OS/2 than I did productive, billable work.


That's how I feel about the desire to make ham stuff run in *nix. I'm 
an engineer, a ham, a technical writer. I do NOT want to spend my time 
doing IT. I have paid those dues, and lost on the deal big time. OSs 
are not religious to me, they are practical for what I want to do on a 
computer.


A year or two ago, I went through the exercise of getting Linux and 
VBox to work on a couple of machines. It was a struggle, and I don't 
want to get into the reasons. I did that to try to run an ancient 
version Quattro Pro that happens to do engineering graphs better than 
anything I can find in current software -- it's what I use for all my 
published graphs. I got VBox running, but I've failed at installing a 
version of Windoze old enough to let me load QPW from floppies!


*nix may be wonderful if you're a programmer, but I'm not. :) As Ken 
has observed, there's way too much IT overhead involved.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Jim Brown]

On Sat,7/9/2016 9:40 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:

“I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.”

Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it is on 
Windows I don’t think it will ever happen.


I'm VERY strongly in Ken's camp on this one. I started with computers in 
the early '80s with a measurement system running in CP/M, which I took 
the time to learn. I also took the time to learn DOS, and to do 
relatively simple programming in SBASIC and BASIC. A few years down the 
road, I transitioned to Windoze, because that's where the engineering 
applications I needed ran. Later, I tried to make OS/2 work for me, but 
I spent more time getting those specialty Windoze apps to run in OS/2 
than I did productive, billable work.


That's how I feel about the desire to make ham stuff run in *nix. I'm an 
engineer, a ham, a technical writer. I do NOT want to spend my time 
doing IT. I have paid those dues, and lost on the deal big time. OSs are 
not religious to me, they are practical for what I want to do on a 
computer.


A year or two ago, I went through the exercise of getting Linux and VBox 
to work on a couple of machines. It was a struggle, and I don't want to 
get into the reasons. I did that to try to run an ancient version 
Quattro Pro that happens to do engineering graphs better than anything I 
can find in current software -- it's what I use for all my published 
graphs. I got VBox running, but I've failed at installing a version of 
Windoze old enough to let me load QPW from floppies!


*nix may be wonderful if you're a programmer, but I'm not. :) As Ken has 
observed, there's way too much IT overhead involved.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Matt Murphy]

> I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations
out there are running it very successfully. I just don’t see any advantages
to changing at the moment.

It is true, and Windows continues to improve. I installed Windows 10 and
have been very pleased with it. There is not currently a good reason for
most hams to leave Windows.

Fortunately, Windows 10 will soon offer Linux as an optional module, so
many of the benefits of Linux may soon be available to Windows users.

73,
Matt NQ6N



On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Ken K6MR <k...@outlook.com> wrote:

> “I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
> transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.”
>
> Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it
> is on Windows I don’t think it will ever happen.
>
> I tried to build the drivers for my serial card, network USB device, and
> network serial server, and after spending a couple of days trying to figure
> it out I gave up.  I don’t have an extensive software background, but I do
> have some programming experience with *nix systems.  If you have a simple
> hardware setup it might be ok but throw in anything unusual and it’s
> hopeless.  And then add in things like rotator controls (Windows only) and
> there is little chance it will ever work.
>
> The next major release of the logger I use (DXLog.net) is going to support
> Linux (and probably OSX) but without the third party hardware support I
> won’t be changing.
>
> I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations
> out there are running it very successfully. I just don’t see any advantages
> to changing at the moment.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
> From: Matt Murphy<mailto:m...@nq6n.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 21:09
> To: a45wg<mailto:-unkno...@sy-edm.com>
> Cc: Dauer, Edward<mailto:eda...@law.du.edu>; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +
>
> I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about...
>
> N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework.  Recently this became a
> cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of
> N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX.
>
> However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not
> cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or
> OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the
> confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other
> platforms.
>
> For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the
> program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and
> VMWare.  It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality.
> You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs
> work flawlessly.  Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the
> public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox.
>
> Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I
> think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
> transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.  In the meantime, I have
> my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot.
>
> N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of
> people maintaining it.  I'm continually impressed by the attention to
> detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release.
>
> VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
>
> 73,
> Matt NQ6N
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-unkno...@sy-edm.com> wrote:
>
> > Guy,
> > Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM
> > written in ?
> >
> > Tim - A45WG
> >
> >
> > > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> > > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations,
> > that
> > > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep
> from
> > > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS
> perturbations
> > > not related to the product, their development platform and single
> chosen
> > OS
> > > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak
> > here
> > > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in
> > the
> > > run-it-on-a-win

Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Ken K6MR]

“I think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.”

Until the Linux folks make the installation of new hardware as easy as it is on 
Windows I don’t think it will ever happen.

I tried to build the drivers for my serial card, network USB device, and 
network serial server, and after spending a couple of days trying to figure it 
out I gave up.  I don’t have an extensive software background, but I do have 
some programming experience with *nix systems.  If you have a simple hardware 
setup it might be ok but throw in anything unusual and it’s hopeless.  And then 
add in things like rotator controls (Windows only) and there is little chance 
it will ever work.

The next major release of the logger I use (DXLog.net) is going to support 
Linux (and probably OSX) but without the third party hardware support I won’t 
be changing.

I know people like to bad mouth Windows but the vast majority of stations out 
there are running it very successfully. I just don’t see any advantages to 
changing at the moment.

Ken K6MR


From: Matt Murphy<mailto:m...@nq6n.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 21:09
To: a45wg<mailto:-unkno...@sy-edm.com>
Cc: Dauer, Edward<mailto:eda...@law.du.edu>; 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about...

N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework.  Recently this became a
cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of
N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX.

However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not
cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or
OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the
confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other
platforms.

For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the
program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and
VMWare.  It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality.
You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs
work flawlessly.  Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the
public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox.

Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I
think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.  In the meantime, I have
my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot.

N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of
people maintaining it.  I'm continually impressed by the attention to
detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release.

VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

73,
Matt NQ6N

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-unkno...@sy-edm.com> wrote:

> Guy,
> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM
> written in ?
>
> Tim - A45WG
>
>
> > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations,
> that
> > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
> > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
> > not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen
> OS
> > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak
> here
> > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in
> the
> > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

Visual Basic .NET and SQLite are the essentials.

73, Guy K2AV

On Saturday, July 9, 2016, a45wg <-unkno...@sy-edm.com> wrote:

> Guy,
> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written in ?
>
> Tim - A45WG
>
>
> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV  > wrote:
>
>
> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
>
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Matt Murphy]

I'll chime in because this is something I've wondered about...

N1MM+ is written in Microsoft's .NET framework.  Recently this became a
cross-platform framework, and so theoretically the core functionality of
N1MM could be made to run natively on Linux or OSX.

However, N1MM uses a variety of libraries and integrations that are not
cross-platform, and so if the N1MM team were to attempt to support Linux or
OSX there would be a ton of additional work simply dealing with the
confusion about what aspects would only work in Windows vs on other
platforms.

For anyone trying to use N1MM on Linux or OSX, I highly recommend the
program called VirtualBox, which is a free alternative to Parallels and
VMWare.  It is now owned/maintained by Oracle, and is very high quality.
You simply install windows in VirtualBox and N1MM and any other programs
work flawlessly.  Microsoft makes free versions of Windows available to the
public that work for 90 days, and can easily be installed in VirtualBox.

Linux and OSX both offer some tremendous advantages over Windows, and I
think the amateur radio community would benefit tremendously from
transitioning to *n*x at some point in the future.  In the meantime, I have
my computers set up with VirtualBox or as a dual-boot.

N1MM+ is superb software, and we are lucky to have such a skilled team of
people maintaining it.  I'm continually impressed by the attention to
detail and small quality improvements that arrive with each new release.

VirtualBox download link here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

73,
Matt NQ6N

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:11 PM, a45wg <-unkno...@sy-edm.com> wrote:

> Guy,
> Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM
> written in ?
>
> Tim - A45WG
>
>
> > On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV  wrote:
> >
> >
> > They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> > beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations,
> that
> > really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
> > wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
> > not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen
> OS
> > need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak
> here
> > and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in
> the
> > run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[a45wg]

Guy,
Out of interest from a SW Developer point of View what is N1MM written 
in ?

Tim - A45WG


> On 9 Jul 2016, at 18:38, Guy Olinger K2AV  wrote:
> 
> 
> They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
> beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
> really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
> wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
> not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
> need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
> and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
> run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.

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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Jim Larson]

I’ve been using N1MM+ via a Windows 10 Virtual Box VM on my iMac.  Works pretty 
well, but as Bob, N7XY said, RUMlogNG works great as a native app.  That is my 
preferred contesting app, especially on CW.  Uses the K3S internal keyer 
instead of computer generated CW characters.  Sounds much cleaner.

Anyway, options to  try.  RUMlogNG is a free download via the App Store.


Jim - KK7A


On July 9, 2016 at 3:47:00 PM, Bob Nielsen (n...@n7xy.net) wrote:

While probably lacking some of the features of N!MM+, RUMlogNG does a  
great job on contests as well as general logging, so we Mac users can  
avoid going to the dark side :^). Tom (DL2RUM) is continually adding  
new contests to the list, so one should check frequently for an updated  
version.  

Bob, N7XY  

On 7/9/16 7:11 AM, Fred Moore wrote:  
> I don't have any problem running under on my Mac, running winblows 7  
> under parallels, have been doing this for a couple of years.. for  
> normal logging I use RumlogNG.. Regards.. Fred  
>  
>  
> On 7/9/16 8:11 AM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote:  
>> On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward"  wrote:  
>>> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem  
>> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer. Below is a  
>> clip taken from the N1MM + website today. Does anyone have any more  
>> current info?  
>>  
>> That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has  
>> made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one  
>> has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full  
>> Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who  
>> has reported success with that setup.  
>>  
>> -Neil N0FN  
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Bob Nielsen]

While probably lacking some of the features of N!MM+, RUMlogNG does a 
great job on contests as well as general logging, so we Mac users can 
avoid going to the dark side :^).  Tom (DL2RUM) is continually adding 
new contests to the list, so one should check frequently for an updated 
version.


Bob, N7XY

On 7/9/16 7:11 AM, Fred Moore wrote:

I don't have any problem running under on my Mac, running winblows 7
under parallels, have been doing this for a couple of years..  for
normal logging I use RumlogNG..  Regards.. Fred


On 7/9/16 8:11 AM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote:

On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward"  wrote:

Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem

hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer.  Below is a
clip taken from the N1MM + website today.  Does anyone have any more
current info?

That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has
made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one
has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full
Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who
has reported success with that setup.

-Neil N0FN
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Nr4c]

I use BOOTCAMP to run Win8.1 for portable use with my MacBook Pro. Works great. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Dauer, Edward  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem 
> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer.  Below is a 
> clip taken from the N1MM + website today.  Does anyone have any more current 
> info?
> 
> ---
> 12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users?
> 
> No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM Logger 
> on top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux clients. 
> Although we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is not a 
> configuration that the Dev Team can support
> 
> 
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400
> From: "Chester Alderman" 
> To: "'Jim GM'" , "'Elecraft'"
>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys
> Message-ID: <01d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are
> making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the current
> supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all with
> various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of
> the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with both
> of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been
> self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most
> any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support
> from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a
> dim view of the writer.
> 
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

Responding to some number of comments in this and closely related threads,
not just this particular poster.

1) A reminder that PLAIN N1MM is NO LONGER SUPPORTED, for two years now.
Shouting intended.

N1MM+ is the current and supported version. Any problem you have with the
old MM, the first step is to upgrade to the latest N1MM+. Plus you will
open yourself up to a small pile of neat new features. Any problem with
MM+, the first step is to upgrade to the latest MM+. Still problems? Go to
their excellent support reflector, where there are many patient and
informed members who have zero problems helping steer a newby or an
unfortunate victim to a successful launch. With a little practice and
reading, the MM+ doc will become your best friend. Many, many, many hours
have been spent to create that excellent doc. If someone does not answer
your reflector post in ten minutes, remember that everything is volunteer,
no paid staff. Leave yourself generous run up time before a contest to
allow conversations to run a cycle per evening. If not, those who will
finally answer you are most likely not reading email at that particular
instant, most likely already making contacts in the contest you are trying
to start late and unprepared.

2) AGAIN, N1MM+ is FREE, NOT COMMERCIAL. Shouting intended.

The team of developers et al putting out MM+ **donate** their time and
effort, and have managed to create a stellar **non-commercial** product.
They have stated that to create a parallel product for Mac platforms is
beyond their intentions and resources. Having had a few conversations, that
really does seem a fair and intelligent decision. For them, to keep from
wasting precious volunteer resources on keeping up with OS perturbations
not related to the product, their development platform and single chosen OS
need to be as stable as possibly can be. They do seem open to a tweak here
and there for problems served up **completely analyzed and solved** in the
run-it-on-a-windows-emulator world.

I worked for SAS Institute for 20 years, where SAS' various products
simultaneously supported IBM mainframes, traditional UNIX platforms, PC
operating systems, Windows, for a while OS-2, and various PC versions of
UNIX. For those two decades, I worked in the mainframe section of that
effort. Maintaining that dozen OS parallelism was an **enormous** task,
**grotesquely** complicated, never-endingly rocked by perturbations,
revisions and screw-ups from OS and driver programmers, soaking up hundreds
of employees (really, hundreds), some thirty-odd of them requiring a
peculiar necessarily company-grown skill set that was impossible to hire
for off the open programmer market. Never allow yourself to perceive
difficulty or delay on, or refusal of, multi-platform support as some
dereliction. There, especially for free volunteer efforts, until you have
worked a mile in their shoes, you are simply not qualified to give
criticism.

3) Even compared to many commercial products, N1MM+ is remarkably
responsive in general, particularly in keeping up with changes in the
contesting arena. They even developed a way for the USER to create a
contest script which the logger will run, allowing many tiny contests, like
our annual rules-revised-yet-again PVRC on-the-air reunion, to roll their
own.

4) DO JOIN THE MM REFLECTOR. It is a great bunch over there. Many of us
there have worked through all the same newby confusions. We get it, we
understand, we have ourselves suffered total confusion, and we will help
ease you into the RTFM :>) What is politely tolerated and supported OT on
Elecraft (thank you Eric) is the main drag on MM. There are **many**
Elecraft owners on the MM reflector. You will find call signs common to
both Elecraft and the MM reflector.

ALSO, it might just be that you are the first to separate out a bug, and if
you do not post there, it remains hidden to the only group who **can** and
**do want** to actually fix it. They are **not** scanning the Elecraft
reflector for MM+ bugs.

73, Guy K2AV

On Saturday, July 9, 2016, Dauer, Edward  wrote:

> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem
> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer.  Below is a
> clip taken from the N1MM + website today.  Does anyone have any more
> current info?
>
> ---
> 12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users?
>
> No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM
> Logger on top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux
> clients. Although we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is
> not a configuration that the Dev Team can support
>
> 
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400
> From: "Chester Alderman" 
> To: "'Jim GM'" , "'Elecraft'"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys
> 

Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Fred Moore]

I don't have any problem running under on my Mac, running winblows 7
under parallels, have been doing this for a couple of years..  for
normal logging I use RumlogNG..  Regards.. Fred


On 7/9/16 8:11 AM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote:
> On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward"  wrote:
>> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem
> hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer.  Below is a
> clip taken from the N1MM + website today.  Does anyone have any more
> current info?
>
> That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has
> made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one
> has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full
> Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who
> has reported success with that setup.
>
> -Neil N0FN
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Neil Martinsen-Burrell]

On Jul 9, 2016 5:43 AM, "Dauer, Edward"  wrote:
>
> Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem
hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer.  Below is a
clip taken from the N1MM + website today.  Does anyone have any more
current info?

That is still the most current info. I would love to hear if anyone has
made the new version of N1MM+ work under WINE, but as far as I know, no one
has succeeded at that. The closest that anyone has come is using a full
Windows virtual machine to run N1MM+. Dale Putnam WC7S is one person who
has reported success with that setup.

-Neil N0FN
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[Elecraft] N1MM Logger +

[Dauer, Edward]

Unfortunately it is still not available for Mac, and the developers seem 
hesitant about using a Windows emulator on an Apple computer.  Below is a clip 
taken from the N1MM + website today.  Does anyone have any more current info?

---
12. Is there any chance of a cross-platform version for Linux or Mac users?

No. Some users have reported varying degrees of success running N1MM Logger on 
top of Windows emulators on Mac (Dave, K6WDE/KH6) and Linux clients. Although 
we wish them the best of luck in their endeavors, this is not a configuration 
that the Dev Team can support



Ted, KN1CBR




Message: 3
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:39:37 -0400
From: "Chester Alderman" 
To: "'Jim GM'" , "'Elecraft'"

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM F-Keys
Message-ID: <01d1d958$d8763530$89629f90$@windstream.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Hi Jim,

N1MM is not even supported anymore! If that is what you are using, you are
making a mistake? N1MM Plus, which was released in early 2014 is the current
supported contest program and it has thousands of very happy users, all with
various PC's and rigs, and the program has been acclaimed as being one of
the best contest programs. I have been using N1MM + for many years with both
of my K3's and the ONLY problem I have had with it has always been
self-induced user issues. If you enjoy contesting with Elecraft (and most
any other manufacturer's equipment) you would find extremely good support
from the authors of N1MM Plus. Just bad-mouthing a good product produces a
dim view of the writer.

73,
Tom - W4BQF





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[Elecraft] N1MM Logger and K3 Baud rate

[Ed Steeble]

FYI - At C6APR, for the IOTA test, we had times when the rig would not 
unkey after sending either a CW file or a wave file. Upping the K3 and 
N1MM Logger baud rate to 38000 from 4800 solved the problems. We were 
using two K3s and the stock Elecraft USB cables.

BTW - The K3 is a great DXpediton radio and great for multi transmitter 
operations. N1MM Logger was networked and never missed a beat (V9.5.1). 
We also handed out QSOs on 6m as C6AQO and on (AFSK) RTTY as C6AXD.

73, Ed
K3IXD

---
snipped from a N1MM Logger email:

Click on the Set button and set speed, etc. to 38400, N, 8, 1 (assuming 
the radio is set to 38400 - note that USB-to-serial adapters 
paradoxically are more reliable at higher speeds; some of them may not 
work as reliably at lower speeds)
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[Elecraft] N1MM Logger support of K3

[Barry N1EU]

Version 8.12.9 of N1MM Logger has just been released and is available
at http://pages.cthome.net/n1mm/

With this latest version, N1MM Logger now incorporates full support of
both K3 vfo's and receivers thanks to the programming efforts of K3CT
and the engineering efforts (CAT enhancements) of our friends at
Elecraft.

73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger and the K2

[K6MR]

The filter select codes can be modified for every mode (right click in 
the band map, there are six selections).  I've found the best code to 
use is FW;  that way you can cycle through all four filters from the 
keyboard (Alt-').  You just have to ignore the Wide/Narrow indicator on 
the band map.


The split functions are almost fixed, it appears to be common problems 
with the Kenwood codes.  I have two K2s set up using the two sound card 
SO2R and it works great.  I just wish the operator could use the setup 
to its' full capability.


I know there are a few K2s out there with the ssb module, so lets see 
you all this coming weekend for phone SS!


Ken  K6MR

Don Nesbitt wrote:

N1MM Logger is a very sophisticated piece of contesting software that 
provides logging and computer interfacing for everything from one 
operator - one rig stations all the way to big multioperator - 
multi-rig setups in a fully networked environment.  Beginning with 
Version 5.10.17 (the current version is now 5.11.0), the N1MM Logger 
Contesting Software now includes the Elecraft K2 in the list of radios 
that can be chosen from the Configuration menu.  Until now, K2 users 
had to pick the generic Kenwood radio which used very similar 
programming commands.  At this point, most of the code for the K2 
still  uses the Kenwood commands but I understand that listing the K2 
in the Configuration Options is the first step to writing code that 
will be more specific to the K2.


If you are currently using an older version of N1MM,  I'd encourage 
you to update to the latest version in order to take advantage of the 
latest inclusions.  Be aware that you must first install version 5.7.2 
before you can install the latest version!  Carefully read the 
directions on the site. So you don't loose anything, you could install 
the new versions in a different directory and play with them for a while.


One item has already been the included for the K2.  The set filter 
code for one mode (SSB Wide) is now K2 specific (K22;FW1;K0;) - 
the rest of the filter codes are still in Kenwood format.  If you are 
interested in knowing more about setting the filter codes, you could 
check out my little very non-technical treatise in the N1MM help files 
and quickly set the codes for SSB Narrow, CW Wide, etc.  To access 
this file go to www.n1mm.com and select Support and then Supported 
Radios from the menus at the top of the main page - then scroll to 
Elecraft.


Apparently a number of other items have already been fixed that 
allow for better control over split functions and the use of the K2 
in Single Operator Two Radio (SO2R) contesting.More will likely 
follow with new releases.  The N1MM Logger is freeware and available 
for download at www.n1mm.com.


It's nice to see the K2 getting recognized as a serious contesting radio!

I don't have any affiliation with the group, just am a very satisfied 
user of the program.  73 es gud contesting and dxing -- Don N4HH


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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger and the K2

[Leigh L Klotz, Jr.]

OK, I am going to have to write a K2 mode for Emacs.
Leigh / WA5ZNU
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 4:12 pm, K6MR wrote:
...that way you can cycle through all four filters from the keyboard 
(Alt-').

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Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger and the K2

[Don Nesbitt]

That's great news Ken - thanks for sharing the Alt-'  to cycle through the 
filters with FW; - that's a neat trick that ought to be included in the 
help files!  The more I use N1MM the more impressed I am with it's 
versatility.


I've been following your posts on the N1MM group reflector with the notion 
of getting in touch with you when I get another K2 so I can give the SO2R 
setup a try - 'course, it's a pretty sure thing that I'm not coordinated 
enough to pull it off!  See you in the contest.   73 -- Don N4HH


- Original Message - 
From: K6MR [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N1MM Logger and the K2


The filter select codes can be modified for every mode (right click in the 
band map, there are six selections).  I've found the best code to use is 
FW;  that way you can cycle through all four filters from the keyboard 
(Alt-').  You just have to ignore the Wide/Narrow indicator on the band 
map.


The split functions are almost fixed, it appears to be common problems 
with the Kenwood codes.  I have two K2s set up using the two sound card 
SO2R and it works great.  I just wish the operator could use the setup to 
its' full capability.


I know there are a few K2s out there with the ssb module, so lets see you 
all this coming weekend for phone SS!


Ken  K6MR

Don Nesbitt wrote:

N1MM Logger is a very sophisticated piece of contesting software that 
provides logging and computer interfacing for everything from one 
operator - one rig stations all the way to big multioperator - multi-rig 
setups in a fully networked environment.  Beginning with Version 5.10.17 
(the current version is now 5.11.0), the N1MM Logger Contesting Software 
now includes the Elecraft K2 in the list of radios that can be chosen 
from the Configuration menu.  Until now, K2 users had to pick the generic 
Kenwood radio which used very similar programming commands.  At this 
point, most of the code for the K2 still  uses the Kenwood commands but I 
understand that listing the K2 in the Configuration Options is the first 
step to writing code that will be more specific to the K2.


If you are currently using an older version of N1MM,  I'd encourage you 
to update to the latest version in order to take advantage of the latest 
inclusions.  Be aware that you must first install version 5.7.2 before 
you can install the latest version!  Carefully read the directions on the 
site. So you don't loose anything, you could install the new versions in 
a different directory and play with them for a while.


One item has already been the included for the K2.  The set filter code 
for one mode (SSB Wide) is now K2 specific (K22;FW1;K0;) - the rest 
of the filter codes are still in Kenwood format.  If you are interested 
in knowing more about setting the filter codes, you could check out my 
little very non-technical treatise in the N1MM help files and quickly set 
the codes for SSB Narrow, CW Wide, etc.  To access this file go to 
www.n1mm.com and select Support and then Supported Radios from the 
menus at the top of the main page - then scroll to Elecraft.


Apparently a number of other items have already been fixed that allow 
for better control over split functions and the use of the K2 in Single 
Operator Two Radio (SO2R) contesting.More will likely follow with new 
releases.  The N1MM Logger is freeware and available for download at 
www.n1mm.com.


It's nice to see the K2 getting recognized as a serious contesting radio!

I don't have any affiliation with the group, just am a very satisfied 
user of the program.  73 es gud contesting and dxing -- Don N4HH


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[Elecraft] N1MM Logger and the K2

[Don Nesbitt]

N1MM Logger is a very sophisticated piece of contesting software that 
provides logging and computer interfacing for everything from one operator - 
one rig stations all the way to big multioperator - multi-rig setups in a 
fully networked environment.  Beginning with Version 5.10.17 (the current 
version is now 5.11.0), the N1MM Logger Contesting Software now includes the 
Elecraft K2 in the list of radios that can be chosen from the Configuration 
menu.  Until now, K2 users had to pick the generic Kenwood radio which 
used very similar programming commands.  At this point, most of the code for 
the K2 still  uses the Kenwood commands but I understand that listing the K2 
in the Configuration Options is the first step to writing code that will be 
more specific to the K2.


If you are currently using an older version of N1MM,  I'd encourage you to 
update to the latest version in order to take advantage of the latest 
inclusions.  Be aware that you must first install version 5.7.2 before you 
can install the latest version!  Carefully read the directions on the site. 
So you don't loose anything, you could install the new versions in a 
different directory and play with them for a while.


One item has already been the included for the K2.  The set filter code 
for one mode (SSB Wide) is now K2 specific (K22;FW1;K0;) - the rest of 
the filter codes are still in Kenwood format.  If you are interested in 
knowing more about setting the filter codes, you could check out my little 
very non-technical treatise in the N1MM help files and quickly set the codes 
for SSB Narrow, CW Wide, etc.  To access this file go to www.n1mm.com and 
select Support and then Supported Radios from the menus at the top of 
the main page - then scroll to Elecraft.


Apparently a number of other items have already been fixed that allow for 
better control over split functions and the use of the K2 in Single 
Operator Two Radio (SO2R) contesting.More will likely follow with new 
releases.  The N1MM Logger is freeware and available for download at 
www.n1mm.com.


It's nice to see the K2 getting recognized as a serious contesting radio!

I don't have any affiliation with the group, just am a very satisfied user 
of the program.  73 es gud contesting and dxing -- Don N4HH


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