Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Martin]

Another great tool to determine a locator or the distance between 2 
locators is:


http://qthlocator.free.fr by F6FVY

It uses google maps. Just enter a known locator or  click on a known 
location (e.g. your house) and voila. Maybe it is one of the fathers of 
that sort of tools. I've first seen it 12/2006.



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Ohne CW ist es nur CB..

73, Martin DM4iM
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

We're slipping past the max OT posting limit on this one. Let's let the topic 
rest in the interest of reducing email overload for our other readers.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Alan]

On 08/03/2017 12:03 PM, w7aqk wrote:

Jim and All,

Back in the late 50's, a few of us living in Albuquerque drove up to the 
4 corners monument northwest of Farmington, NM.  It's the only place in 
the U.S. where four states come to one common point.  We set our antenna 
right on top of the monument, so we were in 4 states at the same 
time--NM, AZ, UT, and CO, and 3 call areas--5, 7, and 0!


In 1996, during a cross-country bicycle trip, I went off-route to visit 
4 corners so I could brag about riding through 4 states in 10 seconds.  :=)


http://n1al.net/bike/CC_tour/day23.htm

Alan N1AL

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Wes Stewart]

Sort of like NIST saying WWV is on exactly 10 MHz.  It is, because they say so.

I live a few hundred meters from a national park and receive mail sometimes 
addressed to "Park Neighbor."  I have dealt with park rangers and administrators 
for a quarter century.  Many of them get quite perturbed when ordinary taxpayers 
actually want to use the Park Service's parks.


Wes  N7WS


 On 8/3/2017 12:03 PM, w7aqk wrote:
... Also, once the marker was placed, and accepted by relevant parties as 
being official, it was official, regardless of any computational error. 
Therefore, I guess we were O.K.  Back then the marker wasn't much to look 
at--just a small pedestal. Now I think it is a bit more elaborate.  I also 
think the Park Service frowns on doing what we did!!  Hi.


Dave W7AQK 


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[w7aqk]

Jim and All,

Back in the late 50's, a few of us living in Albuquerque drove up to the 4 
corners monument northwest of Farmington, NM.  It's the only place in the 
U.S. where four states come to one common point.  We set our antenna right 
on top of the monument, so we were in 4 states at the same time--NM, AZ, UT, 
and CO, and 3 call areas--5, 7, and 0!


Well, that's what we thought we were doing!  Not long ago I read a piece 
that said the monument may be in the wrong place!!!  Apparently it was 
miscalculated by some amount, but not nearly as much as originally claimed. 
Also, once the marker was placed, and accepted by relevant parties as being 
official, it was official, regardless of any computational error. 
Therefore, I guess we were O.K.  Back then the marker wasn't much to look 
at--just a small pedestal.  Now I think it is a bit more elaborate.  I also 
think the Park Service frowns on doing what we did!!  Hi.


Dave W7AQK


I know of one ham who has a tower in one grid square and another tower in a 
different grid square, both in his back yard.


Be careful out there!

73 Jim Allen W6OGC 


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Jim Brown]

On 8/2/2017 11:41 AM, EUGENE GABRY wrote:

The bottom line is, copy what is sent/you hear.


Of course. But this discussion is, I believe, about finding grids for 
QSOs when the grid was not exchanged on the air. I ran into that with 
nearly all QSOs I submitted for the CQ Field award, because I was going 
through 20 years of logs and QSLs to find QSOs with stations in nearly 
200 Fields.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Jim Allen]

I know of one ham who has a tower in one grid square and another tower in a 
different grid square, both in his back yard.

Be careful out there!

73 Jim Allen W6OGC 

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

A third excellent tool for determining grid square is the tool at
http://www.levinecentral.com/ham/grid_square.php


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/2/2017 1:49 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 8/2/2017 10:21 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
I think you have to get the grid from the station during the QSO, if 
grid matters.


Or from the QSL or LOTW. Grids mostly matter on VHF, and nearly 
universal practice is for the grid to be part of the first "over" in 
every QSO, regardless of mode. All software to run K1JT's WSJT modes 
default to sending the grid when calling CQ and answering a CQ.


qrz.com has a great mapping feature that shows where the software thinks 
his/her QTH is. It's easy to zoom in to see if the map location agrees 
with a street address, and you can click on "explore on a grid map" 
below the map to see the outline of the 6-character grid.


Another great grid mapper is on aprs.fi which is designed to track APRS 
stations. If you enter a grid, the software will outline it on what 
looks like a google map. Again, it's easy to zoom and pan this map to 
see streets and other details. I discovered this when chasing a mobile 
who was lighting up nearly a dozen grids on a trip from ND to AZ, mostly 
working MSK144 (meteor scatter).


When you set up your qrz.com page, it's easy to enter your QTH either as 
a grid square or lat/lon. But when you don't do that, qrz.com uses your 
license address.


I also chase CQ Fields, which are the rectangles defined by the two 
letters in the grid square. The field is rarely part of a QSO, so you 
have to figure it out from available data. When the ham hasn't entered 
his QTH, in some countries qrz.com will pick the geographic center of 
the country. This can yield very wrong results in large countries like 
Russia or Australia. :)


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[EUGENE GABRY]

> 
> On August 2, 2017 at 12:49 PM Jim Brown  
> wrote:
> 
> On 8/2/2017 10:21 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > I think you have to get the grid from the station during the QSO, if
> > grid matters.
> > 
> > > 
> The bottom line is, copy what is sent/you hear.
> 
> I am a very strong advocate of copy what you hear rather than rely on 
> "some document" (QRZ or those new "pre fill" data files some contesters load 
> into their logging software)  published somewhere. In the spirit of 
> requirements for awards contests and certificates, we are supposed to log 
> what we hear, not look it up later and change if we think we made a mistake, 
> right?
> 
> If you heard/logged it wrong, make another contact.  
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Jim Brown]

On 8/2/2017 10:21 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
I think you have to get the grid from the station during the QSO, if 
grid matters.


Or from the QSL or LOTW. Grids mostly matter on VHF, and nearly 
universal practice is for the grid to be part of the first "over" in 
every QSO, regardless of mode. All software to run K1JT's WSJT modes 
default to sending the grid when calling CQ and answering a CQ.


qrz.com has a great mapping feature that shows where the software thinks 
his/her QTH is. It's easy to zoom in to see if the map location agrees 
with a street address, and you can click on "explore on a grid map" 
below the map to see the outline of the 6-character grid.


Another great grid mapper is on aprs.fi which is designed to track APRS 
stations. If you enter a grid, the software will outline it on what 
looks like a google map. Again, it's easy to zoom and pan this map to 
see streets and other details. I discovered this when chasing a mobile 
who was lighting up nearly a dozen grids on a trip from ND to AZ, mostly 
working MSK144 (meteor scatter).


When you set up your qrz.com page, it's easy to enter your QTH either as 
a grid square or lat/lon. But when you don't do that, qrz.com uses your 
license address.


I also chase CQ Fields, which are the rectangles defined by the two 
letters in the grid square. The field is rarely part of a QSO, so you 
have to figure it out from available data. When the ham hasn't entered 
his QTH, in some countries qrz.com will pick the geographic center of 
the country. This can yield very wrong results in large countries like 
Russia or Australia. :)


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Fred Jensen]

Multiple ramifications here.  Unless the ham has specifically entered 
his station coordinates, the coordinates in QRZ, and thus the grid, will 
usually default to the Post Office that services his ZIP code.  It is 
"usually" because even that doesn't always happen in very small 
communities.  And to complicate things, my home grid is DM09dn.  I often 
operate W7RN remotely with my call.  That grid is DM09ei, and the two 
are good to four characters.  W1YL also operates W7RN remotely ... from 
FL, which isn't good to any characters.  I think you have to get the 
grid from the station during the QSO, if grid matters.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/2/2017 9:42 AM, James Bennett wrote:

The other issue that I run into a LOT is with folks who are either on vacation, 
traveling, or have moved and simply have not updated their records. They send 
one grid square on WSJT-X and yet QRZ has something completely different. My 
grid is CM98, but operating on vacation in April as DU8/W6JHB I was in PJ19, 
and of course QRZ knew nothing about that.

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[James Bennett]

The other issue that I run into a LOT is with folks who are either on vacation, 
traveling, or have moved and simply have not updated their records. They send 
one grid square on WSJT-X and yet QRZ has something completely different. My 
grid is CM98, but operating on vacation in April as DU8/W6JHB I was in PJ19, 
and of course QRZ knew nothing about that.

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
> 
> Many of us use QRZ.com listings to determine the grid
> square for a given station.  Use caution ... QRZ apparently
> uses the address location to determine the grid square that
> the website shows..
> 
> There are numerous situations where the address is a P.O.
> box that is -not- in the station's actual grid.  An example is
> a nearby city that happens to be split by a grid border of
> two grids and there are several stations who have P.O.
> boxes that are -not- in the grid where the station is located.
> 
> If the station you're logging is a mobile ... all bets are off. (:-)
> 
> FWIW
> 
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] OT: About Grid Squares

[Ken G Kopp]

Many of us use QRZ.com listings to determine the grid
square for a given station.  Use caution ... QRZ apparently
uses the address location to determine the grid square that
the website shows..

There are numerous situations where the address is a P.O.
box that is -not- in the station's actual grid.  An example is
a nearby city that happens to be split by a grid border of
two grids and there are several stations who have P.O.
boxes that are -not- in the grid where the station is located.

If the station you're logging is a mobile ... all bets are off. (:-)

FWIW

Ken Kopp - K0PP
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