Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Edward R Cole]

Thanks for all the suggestions; probably time to end this thread.

It will be a year till I need to run the long cable from my router to 
the new hamshack.  I'll measure the run and get a premade cat6 cable.


Interesting to hear of the high speed Internet service many of you 
have.  My DSL is 3.5Mbs and only increased from 1Mbs a year ago.  2.4 
GHz is unusable due to wi-fi RFI.  My cordless phone uses 5-GHz.  I 
see interference on 2m thanks to my neighbors wi-fi.


Many parts of AK have no Internet service or only dial-up and TV is 
via satellite feed to a TV translator.  Many towns do not have public 
water or sewer; houses have no plumbing (half the town of Bethel -pop 
4500 has no plumbing and human waste is collected in "honey buckets" 
which are picked up on a weekly schedule).  Bethel is the largest 
town in SW AK with jet air service which is good because its not 
connected to the road system (400mi East).


My home has natural gas heat, a well and septic system, and electric 
power and telephone service but TV is by satellite.  There is no 
cable.  But I live in the 25% of the state with a road 
system.  Reality is a bit different up here. Only fiber-optic cable 
is in Anchorage or the larger cities like Fairbanks and Juneau and 
the trunk lines between cities and lower-48 (undersea cable).


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[John Pitz]

Don't forget that you will have to send your call sign every 10 minutes,
and at the start and end of your QSO with your router.  


On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 10:13 -0800, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Of course, you can't do anything "commercial" while running higher 
> power, like streaming video.
> 
> If you're using a remote that you pay for, using your QRO WiFi to access 
> it through the internet might be "commercial."
> 
> On 12/10/2016 10:07 AM, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> > Channels 1 through 8 are in a ham band so you could legally run much 
> > higher power than non-licensed devices are allowed.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Of course, you can't do anything "commercial" while running higher 
power, like streaming video.


If you're using a remote that you pay for, using your QRO WiFi to access 
it through the internet might be "commercial."


On 12/10/2016 10:07 AM, Bob Nielsen wrote:
Channels 1 through 8 are in a ham band so you could legally run much 
higher power than non-licensed devices are allowed.




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Bob Nielsen]

Channels 1 through 8 are in a ham band so you could legally run much 
higher power than non-licensed devices are allowed.



On 12/10/16 8:22 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
I was able to make a very significant improvement in WiFi speed by 
selecting a channel instead of letting the AT Uverse router do it. 
Apparently, everyone around us is in "let the router do it" mode, and 
they are concentrated in the middle of the spectrum [3, 4, 5, 6, and 
7].  Last time I checked, ours and our printer were the only devices 
on 11.  Channel 1 is also almost clear.  It's spread spectrum and the 
channels do overlap, but 10 is also nearly clear for us.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 12/9/2016 10:02 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

One problem with wifi that is sometimes hidden is QRM from other wifi
users on the same channel. I live in a big apartment building and
when I look at the display of a "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, the
2.4 gHz band looks like 20 meters during the CQWW contest. 5 Gig is
better because fewer people seem to be using it and the signals are
attenuated more by walls, etc.

Vic 4X6GP

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Brendon Whateley]

Ed,

It may be worth remembering that CAT5e cable is rated to handle signals of
up to 100MHz. As you move from 10Mb to 100Mb to 1Gb ethernet and beyond,
the demands on the cable increase. For 1000Base-T (1Gb) CAT5 is not
recommended, you are better off with CAT5e. Beyond that, you need CAT6 or
even better CAT6a.

And if you look at the "instalation caviats", they will be familiar to
anyone who has built coax cables...

> Installation caveats
>
> Category 6 and 6A cable must be properly installed and terminated to meet
> specifications. The cable must not be kinked or bent too tightly (the bend
> radius should be at least four times the outer diameter of the cable). The
> wire pairs must not be untwisted and the outer jacket must not be stripped
> back more than 0.5 in (12.7 mm).
>
> Cable shielding may be required in order to improve a Cat 6 cable's
> performance in high electromagnetic interference (EMI) environments. This
> shielding reduces the corrupting effect of EMI on the cable's data.
> Shielding is typically maintained from one cable end to the other using a
> drain wire that runs through the cable alongside the twisted pairs. The
> shield's electrical connection to the chassis on each end is made through
> the jacks. The requirement for ground connections at both cable ends
> creates the possibility that a ground loop may result if one of the
> networked chassis is at different instantaneous electrical potential with
> respect to its mate. This undesirable situation may compel currents to flow
> between chassis through the network cable shield, and these currents may in
> turn induce detrimental noise in the signal being carried by the cable.
>

It seems that any HAM running ethernet to the shack, especially if they
have stray RF floating around, would have more luck with CAT6a which
shields the twisted pairs.

- Brendon
KK6AYI

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Edward R Cole  wrote:

>
> I'm not a computer wonk; RF is my area of strength, so I figured the phone
> and Internet was kinda like audio stuff.  Guess not.  My guess with the
> cable folded into a bundle it had a lot of crosstalk or capacitive coupling
> which acted like a short at 3.5 MBs.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Fred Jensen]

I was able to make a very significant improvement in WiFi speed by 
selecting a channel instead of letting the AT Uverse router do it. 
Apparently, everyone around us is in "let the router do it" mode, and 
they are concentrated in the middle of the spectrum [3, 4, 5, 6, and 7]. 
 Last time I checked, ours and our printer were the only devices on 11. 
 Channel 1 is also almost clear.  It's spread spectrum and the channels 
do overlap, but 10 is also nearly clear for us.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Sparks NV DM09dn

- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017
- www.cqp.org

On 12/9/2016 10:02 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

One problem with wifi that is sometimes hidden is QRM from other wifi
users on the same channel. I live in a big apartment building and
when I look at the display of a "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, the
2.4 gHz band looks like 20 meters during the CQWW contest. 5 Gig is
better because fewer people seem to be using it and the signals are
attenuated more by walls, etc.

Vic 4X6GP

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Richard Fjeld]

FWIW, I had an interesting, but frustrating, experience just recently.  My 
internet would get so slow that we would need to quit streaming during part of 
a movie, etc.  At times, it would speed test at 0.02 Mbits.  Another odd thing 
was, using an Ethernet cable was slower than Wifi at times. I was power cycling 
often.

I'll keep this short.  I purchased DSL modems and routers of a respected brand 
name.  I checked settings several times. I have a former IT guy for a friend.  
I finally called my IP provider and they saw that it was slow.  When he got 
here, he saw my 10 Mbit service at 3 megs.  He changed the wiring and installed 
a splitter isolating my phones from my modem.  Still slow, so he changed the 
modem and now have 10 megs.  (I live rural)
I was blown away.

I still had trouble steaming video to my TV using an Octacore Android box.  Did 
some testing and determined it had a fault using a cable.  I turned off 
Ethernet and enabled wifi and all is beautiful.  I can speed test thru the box 
at about 9+ Mbits.  What should have been better was worse.


Dick, n0ce

On 12/10/2016 12:02 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

One problem with wifi that is sometimes hidden is QRM from other wifi users on 
the same channel. I live in a big apartment building and when I look at the 
display of a "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, the 2.4 gHz band looks like 20 
meters during the CQWW contest. 5 Gig is better because fewer people seem to be 
using it and the signals are attenuated more by walls, etc.

Vic 4X6GP


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Vic Rosenthal]

One problem with wifi that is sometimes hidden is QRM from other wifi users on 
the same channel. I live in a big apartment building and when I look at the 
display of a "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, the 2.4 gHz band looks like 20 
meters during the CQWW contest. 5 Gig is better because fewer people seem to be 
using it and the signals are attenuated more by walls, etc.

Vic 4X6GP

> On 10 Dec 2016, at 00:16, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
> 
> With so many areas getting faster internet service, it's common to find old
> wireless routers that don't keep up. That's not a problem if one understands
> what is happening. 
> 
> Here, my workstation is direct wired to the router, but we run wireless to
> connect to portable devices in the house. I just peeked at the download
> rates and see that I have 66 mb/s at the direct-wired machine but 25 mb/s on
> my iPhone even though nothing else is using part of the bandwidth.  
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> 
> If you want to test your house performance, take a laptop and plug right
> into the modem with a cable (no wifi).  Get an idea of the performance.
> 
> If the rest of your house network doesn't perform as well, then you have a
> problem.
> 
> Mike va3mw
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Rick WA6NHC]

Currently blessed with reasonable internet speeds running between 80-110 
MBps download (even across wifi), I have a mix of wired and wireless via 
a dual band 4 port router (and a couple hubs).  I've found that it helps 
to put the 'critical' devices (iOS, Android, laptops) on the 5 GHz band 
and the rest on the 2.4 GHz band (including a repeater so I don't have 
to run 100' of wiring around the house).  The wider channels on 5 GHz 
are faster and with fewer devices there, they flow nicely.  The other 
(more than 20 but not all active at once) devices can slug it out on 2.4 
but none seem to complain, even video streaming plays well.


Merry Christmas,
Rick wa6nhc

On 12/9/2016 2:16 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

With so many areas getting faster internet service, it's common to find old
wireless routers that don't keep up. That's not a problem if one understands
what is happening.

Here, my workstation is direct wired to the router, but we run wireless to
connect to portable devices in the house. I just peeked at the download
rates and see that I have 66 mb/s at the direct-wired machine but 25 mb/s on
my iPhone even though nothing else is using part of the bandwidth.

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-


If you want to test your house performance, take a laptop and plug right
into the modem with a cable (no wifi).  Get an idea of the performance.

If the rest of your house network doesn't perform as well, then you have a
problem.

Mike va3mw

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

With so many areas getting faster internet service, it's common to find old
wireless routers that don't keep up. That's not a problem if one understands
what is happening. 

Here, my workstation is direct wired to the router, but we run wireless to
connect to portable devices in the house. I just peeked at the download
rates and see that I have 66 mb/s at the direct-wired machine but 25 mb/s on
my iPhone even though nothing else is using part of the bandwidth.  

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-


If you want to test your house performance, take a laptop and plug right
into the modem with a cable (no wifi).  Get an idea of the performance.

If the rest of your house network doesn't perform as well, then you have a
problem.

Mike va3mw

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Jim Brown]

On Thu,12/8/2016 11:37 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

Jim,

OK that is reassuring.  I will probably run it via cat5e cable and 
install my own RJ45 connectors so it can be custom length (and 
probably cheaper).  My guess it will be better on crosstalk than 
commercially made ethernet cables.


CAT5 and other structured cables are great for this purpose BECAUSE they 
consist of four high quality twisted pairs. To minimize crosstalk 
between those pairs, each pair is twisted at a different rate (turns per 
inch).  When using these cables to carry signals, it is absolutely 
critical that we use one of these pairs to carry our signal (and 
multiple pairs to carry multiple signals).


Answer to those who question my adversion to wireless:  My guess you 
do not do ham radio on the same frequency band as wi-fi runs. I do and 
its seems crazy to intentionally broadcast RFI on my ham band.   I 
operate up to 10-GHz.


In any given system, WiFi transmits on only one of many standard carrier 
frequencies, and it doesn't run much power. I don't work 2.4 GHz, but 
I'll bet that like other ham bands, our use for CW, SSB, and other DXing 
modes is limited to a narrow range of the band, just as it is on 440 
MHz.  I wouldn't give up on that system simply because it's in the same 
band unless the WiFi gear is dirty. Have you observed that it is?  If 
so, that is, indeed, a good reason to avoid it.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Jim Pandzik]

If you are running CAT5 data cable you should be okay. It allows 1/2 
inch of untwisted wires at connectors, jacks, etc. with no crosstalk.  
When I got my ETA CAT5/6 Installer certification, my instructor advised 
buying ready-made custom lengths of CAT6, as the 1/4 inch untwisted 
tolerance is really really hard to maintain. Also, remember to stay away 
from fluorescent tubes by at least a foot (or cross at right angles if 
you must), and avoid motors by at least 18 inches. Also... have fun. 
There's nothing more satisfying than wiring up your own network, firing 
it up, and having it WORK!


73, Jim - KE9PK


On 12/9/2016 1:37 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:

Jim,

OK that is reassuring.  I will probably run it via cat5e cable and 
install my own RJ45 connectors so it can be custom length (and 
probably cheaper).  My guess it will be better on crosstalk than 
commercially made ethernet cables.


Answer to those who question my adversion to wireless:  My guess you 
do not do ham radio on the same frequency band as wi-fi runs. I do and 
its seems crazy to intentionally broadcast RFI on my ham band.   I 
operate up to 10-GHz.


Regarding lightning strikes, we do not even hear thunder more often 
then once every four to five years.  Earthquakes and volcano eruptions 
are more frequent.


73, Ed - KL7UW


From: James Pandzik <j...@pandzik.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet
Message-ID: <5848d646.3060...@pandzik.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

No problem with a 50 foot run. Theoretic limit is over 300 feet, but
signals get wobbly at about 275 feet.
Jim Pandzik - KE9PK
   and CCNA, A+, Network+, etc.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Michael Walker]

Professionally, we have move client boxes off wireless unless required.

In some large residential installations, we have stopped (or limited)
deploying 2.4Ghz and focussing on 5Ghz wifi.  The reliability factor went
through the roof in a good way.  Most devices available today are dual
band.  Essentially, get off 2.4Ghz wifi and making sure you are only using
5Ghz.  And, without getting into details it has absolutely nothing to do
with signal strength.

We have also deployed a lot of Powerline devices to extend coverage where
there is no CAT5.  I have had great success with the TP-Link devices (both
for PowerLine and Wifi).

My partner and I have done months of work improving home and commercial
internet coverage as in just about every address we get into, they are
about 20% efficient, mostly less.

If you want to test your house performance, take a laptop and plug right
into the modem with a cable (no wifi).  Get an idea of the performance.

If the rest of your house network doesn't perform as well, then you have a
problem.

Mike va3mw


On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:37 AM, Edward R Cole <kl...@acsalaska.net> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> OK that is reassuring.  I will probably run it via cat5e cable and install
> my own RJ45 connectors so it can be custom length (and probably cheaper).
> My guess it will be better on crosstalk than commercially made ethernet
> cables.
>
> Answer to those who question my adversion to wireless:  My guess you do
> not do ham radio on the same frequency band as wi-fi runs.  I do and its
> seems crazy to intentionally broadcast RFI on my ham band.   I operate up
> to 10-GHz.
>
> Regarding lightning strikes, we do not even hear thunder more often then
> once every four to five years.  Earthquakes and volcano eruptions are more
> frequent.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>
>
> From: James Pandzik <j...@pandzik.com>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet
> Message-ID: <5848d646.3060...@pandzik.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> No problem with a 50 foot run. Theoretic limit is over 300 feet, but
> signals get wobbly at about 275 feet.
> Jim Pandzik - KE9PK
>and CCNA, A+, Network+, etc.
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>   http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Edward R Cole]

Jim,

OK that is reassuring.  I will probably run it via cat5e cable and 
install my own RJ45 connectors so it can be custom length (and 
probably cheaper).  My guess it will be better on crosstalk than 
commercially made ethernet cables.


Answer to those who question my adversion to wireless:  My guess you 
do not do ham radio on the same frequency band as wi-fi runs.  I do 
and its seems crazy to intentionally broadcast RFI on my ham 
band.   I operate up to 10-GHz.


Regarding lightning strikes, we do not even hear thunder more often 
then once every four to five years.  Earthquakes and volcano 
eruptions are more frequent.


73, Ed - KL7UW


From: James Pandzik <j...@pandzik.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet
Message-ID: <5848d646.3060...@pandzik.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

No problem with a 50 foot run. Theoretic limit is over 300 feet, but
signals get wobbly at about 275 feet.
Jim Pandzik - KE9PK
   and CCNA, A+, Network+, etc.


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Don Wilhelm]

Ed,

I am also on DSL and have wired Ethernet throughout the house.
Due to the long run to my house and the length of phone line in the 
house (entry to security system then back to the DSL modem - over 100 
feet) the DSL/phone splitters did not work well, so the phone company 
installed a splitter at their outside box and brought a dedicate DSL 
line to the location of the modem.  That solved a LOT of problems.

So yes, a short line to the DSL modem is important.
The other situation I have is that the drop to my house from the nearest 
relay box is about 4000 feet.  It does not seem to have much effect on 
the DSL, but does sometimes my HDTV performance (which is provided by 
the same phone company).


So a short cable to the DSL modem is important - it matters little what 
you have on the modem output.


I do have an access point to provide wireless for laptops and 
smartphones and tablets, but the output of the modem, routers, switches 
is not really important IMHO, but the input to a DSL modem is important 
to consider.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/7/2016 9:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

Ron,

Usually my rule, too.

I was astonished to find that huge bundled cord, but this is in my
wife's hobby room which is her domain.  We had changed location of the
DSL modem and router along the way and I suppose that was an expedient
to keep the system connected.  Janet is predisposed to rearranging
furniture a couple times per year in her area (ham shack is hands-off
territory; I even give her clearance when she can vacuum floors).


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Ray Sills]

Indeed… why not use wireless?  Turns out, my wireless connection (compared to 
wired ethernet) is -faster-!   And, when I’m at my 4-land QTH, my only internet 
service is via an Xfinity hot spot, which I can purchase by the hour, day, 
week, or month, as needed.  The only aspect about that service is that it is 
enabled on a single device, so we use my wife’s laptop whilst there.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211


> On Dec 7, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> On Wed,12/7/2016 6:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>> I will not use wireless.
> 
> Why not? I use nothing but, and it's plenty fast enough for us to stream 
> video. There is noise associated with wired Ethernet. While choking the 
> Ethernet cable can knock it down, not always completely.
> 
> As to telephone cable -- CAT5 and other structured cable is excellent for use 
> in telephone wiring, and has far better bandwidth than almost anything else 
> that could be used. Certainly better than standard Telco pairs. The fact that 
> it's very good twisted pair also helps it resist RF and noise coupling.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[James Pandzik]

No problem with a 50 foot run. Theoretic limit is over 300 feet, but 
signals get wobbly at about 275 feet.

Jim Pandzik - KE9PK
  and CCNA, A+, Network+, etc.

On 12/7/2016 8:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

Ron,

Usually my rule, too.

I was astonished to find that huge bundled cord, but this is in my 
wife's hobby room which is her domain.  We had changed location of the 
DSL modem and router along the way and I suppose that was an expedient 
to keep the system connected.  Janet is predisposed to rearranging 
furniture a couple times per year in her area (ham shack is hands-off 
territory; I even give her clearance when she can vacuum floors).


So, originally, I had the modem/router in the ham shack, then it moved 
to her room where she had her computer station, then last spring she 
relocated the computer across the hall to our master bedroom to make 
room for a folding couch-bed for visitors in the hobby room.


I have a four-port switch (not a router) in the ham shack for routing 
to computers (two active at present with shielded ethernet cables and 
third cable to use with laptop on occasion).  Have more USB cables in 
use: four for new computer and seven on old computer.


When we build the new ham shack next summer, all the wall warts will 
be eliminated with power sourced from main 12v PS via individual 
regulators.  Only concern is whether 50-foot will be too long for 
connecting to the router at the other end of the house.  I will not 
use wireless.  Old ham shack will be restored to spare bedroom/den (I 
have closet converted to library).


2017 will be a busy year for us!

73, Ed - KL7UW
---
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <r...@cobi.biz>
To: "'Edward R Cole'" <kl...@acsalaska.net>,"'Elecraft Reflector'"
    <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet
Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

That's a good warning, Ed.

Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio
frequency range.

My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat".

Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

That's a good warning, Ed.

Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio
frequency range.

My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat".


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
  dubus...@gmail.com
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Gary K9GS]

I used to use a wired network.  Then I took a lightning hit that came in 
to the hamshack.  It destroyed the hamshack computer and two other 
computers on a different floor and several rooms away. They were all 
connected to the wired router which also got zapped.


The wired router was connected to a cable modem by a 18" Ethernet 
cable.  The modem got zapped too.  The RG-6 coming out of the cable 
modem exits the house and travels at least 150 ft underground to a 
two-port amplifier near the street that serves my house and my 
neighbor's house.  My side of the amplifier also got zapped but, 
strangely, my neighbor's was fine.  Also connected the the wired router 
was a wireless access point that was used for laptops/phones/tablets.  
The access point was also fried.


Now the whole house is wireless with zero problems.


On 12/7/2016 8:32 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Wed,12/7/2016 6:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

I will not use wireless.


Why not? I use nothing but, and it's plenty fast enough for us to 
stream video. There is noise associated with wired Ethernet. While 
choking the Ethernet cable can knock it down, not always completely.


As to telephone cable -- CAT5 and other structured cable is excellent 
for use in telephone wiring, and has far better bandwidth than almost 
anything else that could be used. Certainly better than standard Telco 
pairs. The fact that it's very good twisted pair also helps it resist 
RF and noise coupling.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Jim Brown]

On Wed,12/7/2016 6:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

I will not use wireless.


Why not? I use nothing but, and it's plenty fast enough for us to stream 
video. There is noise associated with wired Ethernet. While choking the 
Ethernet cable can knock it down, not always completely.


As to telephone cable -- CAT5 and other structured cable is excellent 
for use in telephone wiring, and has far better bandwidth than almost 
anything else that could be used. Certainly better than standard Telco 
pairs. The fact that it's very good twisted pair also helps it resist RF 
and noise coupling.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Edward R Cole]

Ron,

Usually my rule, too.

I was astonished to find that huge bundled cord, but this is in my 
wife's hobby room which is her domain.  We had changed location of 
the DSL modem and router along the way and I suppose that was an 
expedient to keep the system connected.  Janet is predisposed to 
rearranging furniture a couple times per year in her area (ham shack 
is hands-off territory; I even give her clearance when she can vacuum floors).


So, originally, I had the modem/router in the ham shack, then it 
moved to her room where she had her computer station, then last 
spring she relocated the computer across the hall to our master 
bedroom to make room for a folding couch-bed for visitors in the hobby room.


I have a four-port switch (not a router) in the ham shack for routing 
to computers (two active at present with shielded ethernet cables and 
third cable to use with laptop on occasion).  Have more USB cables in 
use: four for new computer and seven on old computer.


When we build the new ham shack next summer, all the wall warts will 
be eliminated with power sourced from main 12v PS via individual 
regulators.  Only concern is whether 50-foot will be too long for 
connecting to the router at the other end of the house.  I will not 
use wireless.  Old ham shack will be restored to spare bedroom/den (I 
have closet converted to library).


2017 will be a busy year for us!

73, Ed - KL7UW
---
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <r...@cobi.biz>
To: "'Edward R Cole'" <kl...@acsalaska.net>,"'Elecraft Reflector'"
    <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet
Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

That's a good warning, Ed.

Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio
frequency range.

My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat".

Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

That's a good warning, Ed.

Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio
frequency range.

My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat".


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
  dubus...@gmail.com 


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

That's a good warning, Ed. 

Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio
frequency range. 

My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat". 

73, Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 11:52 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

Since we all use the Internet this may be of interest:

I bought a new Dell desktop on cyber-monday to be used for general purpose
Internet browsing, e-mail, and maintaining my website.  Figured the i5-6400
processor a good trade-off of speed vs cost and got 8GB memory and 1TB HD.
I intend to keep using my 2008 Dell duo-core with XP32-SP3 for running all
radio sw but unplugged from the Internet to isolate it from attack by
maleware/virus and the OS would not require updates.  Installing a GPS
dongle with BktTimeSync (Z2BKT) makes this possible.

So the new computer arrived overnight and I began loading my Internet-based
programs and most files from the old computer.  But starting Friday the
e-mail began having trouble connecting for download or uploading and
Internet came to a screeching halt (almost).  I did some driver updates
hoping maybe that was part of the problem.  But my other computers and my
wife's laptop and Ipad also experienced the same problems?

A couple calls to the ISP discovered a mistake in a setup entry on my e-mail
client but Internet still not able to find websites like msn.com, google or
any site I entered.  I ran a speed test and it looked OK for my DSL 3.2MBs
for 3.5MBs service and 0.9MBs uploading?  So one more call to the ISP and
the gal who answered from Tech-help said it looked like we had a bad or
shorted cable to our DSL Modem.  She asked how long was the cable between
phone jack and modem?

Well we have moved things over the years so some cables ended up kind of
long (we had 25-foot of RJ11 phone wired wrapped up with a tiewrap where a
couple feet would suffice.  I do not even recall it being so long but
replacing it with a short 6-foot RJ11 jumper cured the slow Internet/e-mail
issues.  Modem is connected with ethernet jumper to router with two cat5e
cables running to two separate rooms in the house where my computers and my
wife's computer are located.

I'm not a computer wonk; RF is my area of strength, so I figured the phone
and Internet was kinda like audio stuff.  Guess not.  My guess with the
cable folded into a bundle it had a lot of crosstalk or capacitive coupling
which acted like a short at 3.5 MBs.

Hope this long story helps anyone who has puzzled why they're Internet acts
constipated (of course there may be other issues that can cause these
problems).

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubus...@gmail.com 

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[Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet

[Edward R Cole]

Since we all use the Internet this may be of interest:

I bought a new Dell desktop on cyber-monday to be used for general 
purpose Internet browsing, e-mail, and maintaining my 
website.  Figured the i5-6400 processor a good trade-off of speed vs 
cost and got 8GB memory and 1TB HD.  I intend to keep using my 2008 
Dell duo-core with XP32-SP3 for running all radio sw but unplugged 
from the Internet to isolate it from attack by maleware/virus and the 
OS would not require updates.  Installing a GPS dongle with 
BktTimeSync (Z2BKT) makes this possible.


So the new computer arrived overnight and I began loading my 
Internet-based programs and most files from the old computer.  But 
starting Friday the e-mail began having trouble connecting for 
download or uploading and Internet came to a screeching halt 
(almost).  I did some driver updates hoping maybe that was part of 
the problem.  But my other computers and my wife's laptop and Ipad 
also experienced the same problems?


A couple calls to the ISP discovered a mistake in a setup entry on my 
e-mail client but Internet still not able to find websites like 
msn.com, google or any site I entered.  I ran a speed test and it 
looked OK for my DSL 3.2MBs  for 3.5MBs service and 0.9MBs 
uploading?  So one more call to the ISP and the gal who answered from 
Tech-help said it looked like we had a bad or shorted cable to our 
DSL Modem.  She asked how long was the cable between phone jack and modem?


Well we have moved things over the years so some cables ended up kind 
of long (we had 25-foot of RJ11 phone wired wrapped up with a tiewrap 
where a couple feet would suffice.  I do not even recall it being so 
long but replacing it with a short 6-foot RJ11 jumper cured the slow 
Internet/e-mail issues.  Modem is connected with ethernet jumper to 
router with two cat5e cables running to two separate rooms in the 
house where my computers and my wife's computer are located.


I'm not a computer wonk; RF is my area of strength, so I figured the 
phone and Internet was kinda like audio stuff.  Guess not.  My guess 
with the cable folded into a bundle it had a lot of crosstalk or 
capacitive coupling which acted like a short at 3.5 MBs.


Hope this long story helps anyone who has puzzled why they're 
Internet acts constipated (of course there may be other issues that 
can cause these problems).


73, Ed - KL7UW
  http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
  dubus...@gmail.com 


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