Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Jim Vohland]

Indash hr radio would be nice in a Tesla or any other car. Maybe someone should 
design a rig that would fit in dash. Just like buying after market stereo! Sure 
would be nice for install purposes. Maybe a K3I (for in dash).  

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> On Oct 7, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Barry  wrote:
> 
> Wes,
> 
> You left out this part:
> *Taxpayers currently subsidize the oil industry by as much as $4.8 billion a
> year*, with about half of that going to the big five oil
> companies—ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, BP, and ConocoPhillips—which get an
> average tax break of $3.34 on every barrel of domestic crude they produce.
> 
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=3=rja=8=0CCgQFjACahUKEwjRqOLBrLDIAhUQQYgKHe1LAqM=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fpolitics%2F2014%2F04%2Foil-subsidies-renewable-energy-tax-breaks=AFQjCNEDvYpeB0-5Qft5tMSw_mkd2S1miw=JYwt28iI5NpoeP4ZQlXmDg
> 
> Barry W2UP
> 
> P.S.  I got some useful info from this thread, and and some via private
> email, so thanks to those who responded on topic.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wes (N7WS) wrote
>> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out
>> with 
>> your "free" fuel :-)
>> 
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Barry]

Wes,

You left out this part:
*Taxpayers currently subsidize the oil industry by as much as $4.8 billion a
year*, with about half of that going to the big five oil
companies—ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, BP, and ConocoPhillips—which get an
average tax break of $3.34 on every barrel of domestic crude they produce.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=3=rja=8=0CCgQFjACahUKEwjRqOLBrLDIAhUQQYgKHe1LAqM=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fpolitics%2F2014%2F04%2Foil-subsidies-renewable-energy-tax-breaks=AFQjCNEDvYpeB0-5Qft5tMSw_mkd2S1miw=JYwt28iI5NpoeP4ZQlXmDg

Barry W2UP

P.S.  I got some useful info from this thread, and and some via private
email, so thanks to those who responded on topic.  




Wes (N7WS) wrote
> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out
> with 
> your "free" fuel :-)
> 
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1





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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Guys - This thread has been closed. Please no political arguments like this on 
the reflector. There are many other places on the net for that. :-)


73,

Eric
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On 10/6/2015 9:13 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue state vs. 
red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots of things that 
not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if this thread is dialed 
back now.


Scott N9AA


On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out 
with your "free" fuel :-)


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 



On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote:


Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Lee Ormiston]

Drifting back to the technicalities of flowing electrons:

Nine electric cars operated on the streets of Paris, France between 1835
and 1839.  The biggest problem with them was the inefficiency of the
electric batteries - likely a variation of Volta cells.  The biggest
problem with current electric vehicles (cars, golf carts, etc.) is?

Common batteries of today have:   Cell Voltage Specific Energy of MJ/kg
Ni Cd1.2
0.14
Lead - Acid2.1
  0.14
NiMH1.2
  0.36
Li Ion3.6
0.46

Interesting things can be accomplished by arranging cells either in series,
parallel, or combination.

To use these cells to perform work we need to remember Amps * Volts = Watts
for Simon Watt of steam engine fame.  We also need to remember Entropy
Theory - energy goes from highly organized state to disorganized state.  A
lump of coal is relatively organized state and carbon dioxide gas is
relatively disorganized state after combustion of coal.

We can in a small, localized area (neighborhood) concentrate energy, for
example re-charging a battery; by increasing the entropy, disorganization
of the energy in the universe by generating electricity - nuclear, coal
fired, natural gas fired, solar, wind powered steam generator powered
electric plant.  In all of these we have mostly waste heat, line losses,
circuit losses, etc. to charge/recharge batteries, followed by waste heat,
line losses, etc. to put the stored energy to work.  After which we repeat
the process to recharge the batteries.

Am I an advocate of going back to hunter/gatherer life style?  No
Am I saving up for a KX3 with match box and battery pack?  Yes

Any unglazed eyes left?

73 Lee N0RRL

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Scott Manthe 
wrote:

> This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue state
> vs. red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots of things
> that not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if this thread is
> dialed back now.
>
> Scott N9AA
>
>
>
> On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>
>> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you
>> out with your "free" fuel :-)
>>
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1
>>
>> On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
>>> everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Wes (N7WS)]

Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out with 
your "free" fuel :-)


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1

On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote:


Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Scott Manthe]

This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue 
state vs. red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots 
of things that not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if 
this thread is dialed back now.


Scott N9AA


On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you 
out with your "free" fuel :-)


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 



On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote:


Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[mfsj]

But only the rich can afford to buy or get rebates on cars like those.
Fred N0AZZ 


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Original message From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> Date: 
10/06/2015  1:00 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: mfsj <m...@totalhighspeed.com> Cc: Barry 
<w...@comcast.net>, elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF 
radio in Tesla Model S 
IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive cars 
powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries. POTUS see the 
future and is moving things along in that direction :)

Wayne


On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj <m...@totalhighspeed.com> wrote:

> But the  POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO.
> 
> Fred  N0AZZ 




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[David Gilbert]

Sorry ... my bad.  It did sound kind of over-the-top so I should have 
gotten a clue.  My mistake.


Dave   AB7E



On 10/6/2015 11:15 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Dave,

It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter 
of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous.

Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR


On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:


That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably 
done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other.  Other 
companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is 
the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone 
business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage 
requirements.  Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to 
do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating 
along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing 
stocks they were typically portrayed as.

Dave   AB7E



On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they 
should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' 
for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially 
covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?)

Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very 
well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that 
elusive next charging station.

Wayne
N6KR






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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Mel Farrer]

Dream on Wayne, 

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  From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
 To: David Gilbert <xda...@cis-broadband.com> 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S
   
Dave,

It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter 
of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous.

Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR




On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert <xda...@cis-broadband.com> wrote:

> 
> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably 
> done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other.  
> Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but 
> Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a 
> standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average 
> mileage requirements.  Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food 
> chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... 
> demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the 
> underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as.
> 
> Dave  AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> 
>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether 
>> they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
>> conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 
>> 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be 
>> partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical 
>> insurance?)
>> 
>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may 
>> very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from 
>> that elusive next charging station.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Wayne Burdick]

Dave,

It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter 
of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous.

Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR


On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:

> 
> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably 
> done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other.  
> Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but 
> Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a 
> standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average 
> mileage requirements.  Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food 
> chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... 
> demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the 
> underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> 
>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether 
>> they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
>> conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 
>> 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be 
>> partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical 
>> insurance?)
>> 
>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may 
>> very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from 
>> that elusive next charging station.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

From a practical perspective, the "battery with onboard generator" of 
the Chevrolet Volt is far more practical (and has been around for a

very long time as the diesel-electric locomotive).  It a real shame
that the Volt is out of the price range of ordinary consumers as charge
at home with gasoline (or diesel) for long distance range extension is
clearly more practical than the limited battery only range of either
Tesla or the Nissan Leaf.

I only wish that my father had the ability to follow up on his concept
for the diesel-electric automobile 50 years ago.  Unfortunately neither
energy storage (battery technology) nor environmental concerns where as
well developed then as they are today.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 10/6/2015 2:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Dave,

It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter 
of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous.

Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR


On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:



That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably 
done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other.  Other 
companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is 
the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone 
business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage 
requirements.  Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to 
do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating 
along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing 
stocks they were typically portrayed as.

Dave   AB7E



On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:


As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they 
should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' 
for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially 
covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?)

Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very 
well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that 
elusive next charging station.

Wayne
N6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[mfsj]

But the  POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO.
Fred  N0AZZ 


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Original message From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> Date: 
10/06/2015  12:41 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Barry <w...@comcast.net> Cc: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S 
Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime 
soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV and 
am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive at all, 
actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent of approx. 
0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour.

As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they 
should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' 
for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially 
covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?)

Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very 
well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that 
elusive next charging station.

Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry <w...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S,
> hence the post.  
> 
> When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it.  Now
> I'm having second thoughts.  Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a
> radio?  
> 
> Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer.
> 
> Tnx,
> Barry W2UP


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Wayne Burdick]

IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive cars 
powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries. POTUS see the 
future and is moving things along in that direction :)

Wayne


On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj  wrote:

> But the  POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO.
> 
> Fred  N0AZZ 



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[jim]

And the other side:

Our columnist Bret Stephens writes that at the President's Friday press
conference, Mr. Obama described alternatives to his Syria policy as
"mumbo-jumbo," "half-baked ideas," and "as-if" solutions. "So it is with
this president. It's not enough for him to stake and defend his positions.
He wants you to know that he thinks deeper, sees further, knows better,
operates from a purer motive. His preferred method for dealing with
disagreement is denigration,"

Jim
W6AIM



-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:01 AM
To: mfsj
Cc: Barry; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive
cars powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries. POTUS
see the future and is moving things along in that direction :)

Wayne


On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj <m...@totalhighspeed.com> wrote:

> But the  POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO.
> 
> Fred  N0AZZ 



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks - Thread closed due to the politically oriented posting below. This is too 
far OT.

As per thread guidelines, please make posts with political comments elsewhere.

73,

Eric
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On 10/6/2015 11:17 AM, jim wrote:

And the other side:

Our columnist Bret Stephens writes that at the President's Friday press
conference, Mr. Obama described alternatives to his Syria policy as..



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Al Gulseth]

First, I've been intrigued by electric powered vehicles for a long time. I 
came very close to buying a Jet Electrica (?) Ford Escort conversion back in 
the 1980s and have also followed the "homebrew" versions in Home Power mag.

However, I'm not a big fan of using tax dollars to promote a particular 
technology. A better way IMHO would be to get private venture capital behind 
some of the engineering students who've been involved in Sunrayce (AKA 
American Solar Challenge) and just get out of the way to see what they can 
come up with. (Like Wayne and Eric back in the NorCal days?)

Also, while Tesla apparently has licked some of the issues, other 
manufacturers have not. I've only personally seen a few of a well-known US 
auto manufacturer's recent attempt at an EV. Both of the following were on 
the interstate: in one case where the terrain is fairly level (at least for 
western Arkansas) the vehicle was in the right lane running somewhat below 
the speed limit. In the other case, the vehicle was on the long grade going 
up the hill to the tunnel (yes, we have a tunnel through the top of a 
mountain in NW Arkansas!) It was in the right hand lane with its flashers on 
and was running slower than a lot of the 18 wheelers on that stretch. The 
expression on the driver's face was very revealing: I'll just say that he 
didn't appear to be a... ummm... "happy camper"

Just my $0.02 worth.

73, Al

On Tue October 6 2015 1:17:30 pm jim wrote:
> And the other side:
>
> Our columnist Bret Stephens writes that at the President's Friday press
> conference, Mr. Obama described alternatives to his Syria policy as
> "mumbo-jumbo," "half-baked ideas," and "as-if" solutions. "So it is with
> this president. It's not enough for him to stake and defend his positions.
> He wants you to know that he thinks deeper, sees further, knows better,
> operates from a purer motive. His preferred method for dealing with
> disagreement is denigration,"
>
> Jim
> W6AIM
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:01 AM
> To: mfsj
> Cc: Barry; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S
>
> IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive
> cars powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries.
> POTUS see the future and is moving things along in that direction :)
>
> Wayne
>
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj <m...@totalhighspeed.com> wrote:
> > But the  POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO.
> >
> > Fred  N0AZZ
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[riese-k3djc]

my prius c is fine,, thank you

Bob K3DJC


On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:15:49 -0700 Wayne Burdick 
writes:
> Dave,
> 
> It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge 
> supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous.
> 
> Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR
> 
>

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[mfsj]

Al I agree nothing going to replace my diesel 4x4's in my life time electric 
that will do the work they do. We have 4 4x4's for work and DD trucks and SUV's 
would not exchange any for electric if it was free.
Fred N0AZZ 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, an AT 4G LTE smartphone 
Original message From: Al Gulseth <wb5...@centurytel.net> Date: 
10/06/2015  3:12 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: 
[Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S 
First, I've been intrigued by electric powered vehicles for a long time. I 
came very close to buying a Jet Electrica (?) Ford Escort conversion back in 
the 1980s and have also followed the "homebrew" versions in Home Power mag.

However, I'm not a big fan of using tax dollars to promote a particular 
technology. A better way IMHO would be to get private venture capital behind 
some of the engineering students who've been involved in Sunrayce (AKA 
American Solar Challenge) and just get out of the way to see what they can 
come up with. (Like Wayne and Eric back in the NorCal days?)

Also, while Tesla apparently has licked some of the issues, other 
manufacturers have not. I've only personally seen a few of a well-known US 
auto manufacturer's recent attempt at an EV. Both of the following were on 
the interstate: in one case where the terrain is fairly level (at least for 
western Arkansas) the vehicle was in the right lane running somewhat below 
the speed limit. In the other case, the vehicle was on the long grade going 
up the hill to the tunnel (yes, we have a tunnel through the top of a 
mountain in NW Arkansas!) It was in the right hand lane with its flashers on 
and was running slower than a lot of the 18 wheelers on that stretch. The 
expression on the driver's face was very revealing: I'll just say that he 
didn't appear to be a... ummm... "happy camper"

Just my $0.02 worth.

73, Al

On Tue October 6 2015 1:17:30 pm jim wrote:
> And the other side:
>
> Our columnist Bret Stephens writes that at the President's Friday press
> conference, Mr. Obama described alternatives to his Syria policy as
> "mumbo-jumbo," "half-baked ideas," and "as-if" solutions. "So it is with
> this president. It's not enough for him to stake and defend his positions.
> He wants you to know that he thinks deeper, sees further, knows better,
> operates from a purer motive. His preferred method for dealing with
> disagreement is denigration,"
>
> Jim
> W6AIM
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:01 AM
> To: mfsj
> Cc: Barry; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S
>
> IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive
> cars powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries.
> POTUS see the future and is moving things along in that direction :)
>
> Wayne
>
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj <m...@totalhighspeed.com> wrote:
> > But the  POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO.
> >
> > Fred  N0AZZ
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Barry]

My apologies for starting this thread.  I had no idea it would take such a
perverse turn from a simple question.

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Walter Underwood]

Attempting to answer the original question, the Model S roof is mostly 
aluminum, so mag mounts don’t work. Some people have used the roof rack for a 
mount. Others use trunk lip mounts.

The cigarette lighter outlet has a 15A fuse, which might not be enough for some 
mobile rigs.

This Google search has discussion on several Tesla forums as the first few hits:

https://www.google.com/webhp?ie=UTF-8#q=tesla%20mobile%20antenna%20installation

wunder
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> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge 
> supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous.
> 
> Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably 
>> done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other.  
>> Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but 
>> Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as 
>> a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average 
>> mileage requirements.  Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the 
>> food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... 
>> demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the 
>> underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as.
>> 
>> Dave   AB7E
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> 
>>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether 
>>> they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
>>> conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 
>>> 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be 
>>> partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical 
>>> insurance?)
>>> 
>>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may 
>>> very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from 
>>> that elusive next charging station.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[bsusb]

Tesla?  No,No,No!!  Its got to be a Charger like the Dukes used to drive.  V-8 
hemi.  If it gets more than 10 miles to the gallon, it is underpowered.  If you 
don't put more than 5000 miles a year on the thing, you can easily afford the 
fuel cost.

You like electrics?  Go to any golf course.  They already have lots of neat 
electric carts.


On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:41:48 -0700
Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime 
> soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV 
> and am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive 
> at all, actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent 
> of approx. 0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour.
> 
> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether 
> they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
> conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 
> 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be 
> partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?)
> 
> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very 
> well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that 
> elusive next charging station.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry  wrote:
> 
> > I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S,
> > hence the post.  
> > 
> > When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it.  Now
> > I'm having second thoughts.  Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a
> > radio?  
> > 
> > Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer.
> > 
> > Tnx,
> > Barry W2UP
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Phil Wheeler]

My Prius is great, too :-)

Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On Oct 6, 2015, at 13:03,   wrote:
> 
> my prius c is fine,, thank you
> 
> Bob K3DJC
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Rick Tavan N6XI]

I have 2M and 1.2GHz radios in my Model S. They work fine with no
detectable RFI in either direction. I have a no-holes installation, which
is sub-optimal but I couldn't bear the thought of drilling into this
expensive but totally awesome vehicle.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Barry  wrote:

> My apologies for starting this thread.  I had no idea it would take such a
> perverse turn from a simple question.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[David Gilbert]

That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has 
arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than 
any other.  Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models 
out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it 
can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side 
offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements.  Certainly Tesla 
has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus 
is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that 
electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they 
were typically portrayed as.


Dave   AB7E



On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:


As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they 
should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' 
for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially 
covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?)

Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very 
well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that 
elusive next charging station.

Wayne
N6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Barry]

Wes (N7WS) wrote
> It's okay. We know you just wanted to brag about having a Tesla:-)

Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)

Wayne - In re-reading my original post and your response, I think you
misunderstood what I meant by Elecraft owners.  I meant Elecraft RADIO
owners, not company owners.  Sorry for that confusion and my poor wording,
too.

Barry W2UP




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[Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Johnny Siu]

Hello Gentleman,
Due to time zone, I come into discussion a bit late.  My Model S 70D should 
come in about two weeks.
I do intent to put my KX3 mobile.  Since Model S is like a big computer with 
wheels, I am worried about whether TX from KX3 (or later with KXPA100)will 
cause RFI to the car.  Also antenna installation is another area to be thought 
about.
Any ideas?
73
Johnny VR2XMC
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 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S
   
I have 2M and 1.2GHz radios in my Model S. They work fine with no
detectable RFI in either direction. I have a no-holes installation, which
is sub-optimal but I couldn't bear the thought of drilling into this
expensive but totally awesome vehicle.

73,

/Rick N6XI

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> perverse turn from a simple question.
>
> Barry W2UP
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>
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Gary K9GS]

Hi Rick,

So..did you get the "Ludicrous Speed Option"??



On 10/6/2015 4:30 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:

I have 2M and 1.2GHz radios in my Model S. They work fine with no
detectable RFI in either direction. I have a no-holes installation, which
is sub-optimal but I couldn't bear the thought of drilling into this
expensive but totally awesome vehicle.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Barry  wrote:


My apologies for starting this thread.  I had no idea it would take such a
perverse turn from a simple question.

Barry W2UP



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Wes]

The last, and I do mean last, Chrysler product I owned was a '79 Roadrunner, 
bought new.  What a POS. I don't believe time has improved a thing. 

Now I drive an Aussie car, a Pontiac G8 GT. Wish it had more hp tho, 360 is 
marginal.  But what's this 5000 mile stuff?  I'm putting a new set of Michelin 
Pilot Super Sports on tomorrow. Went through the current set in a year (28,000 
miles.) Gas is cheap ($2.20) life is short. 

Wes. N7WS

ps.  Please keep your Priuses out of the fast lane. Some of us older guys don't 
have time to waste

On Oct 6, 2015, at 3:44 PM, bsusb  wrote:

> Tesla?  No,No,No!!  Its got to be a Charger like the Dukes used to drive.  
> V-8 hemi.  If it gets more than 10 miles to the gallon, it is underpowered.  
> If you don't put more than 5000 miles a year on the thing, you can easily 
> afford the fuel cost.
> 
> You like electrics?  Go to any golf course.  They already have lots of neat 
> electric carts.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:41:48 -0700
> Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
>> Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime 
>> soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV 
>> and am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive 
>> at all, actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent 
>> of approx. 0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour.
>> 
>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether 
>> they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
>> conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 
>> 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be 
>> partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical 
>> insurance?)
>> 
>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may 
>> very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from 
>> that elusive next charging station.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S,
>>> hence the post.  
>>> 
>>> When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it.  Now
>>> I'm having second thoughts.  Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a
>>> radio?  
>>> 
>>> Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer.
>>> 
>>> Tnx,
>>> Barry W2UP
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Wes]

I would actually consider a Volt if I could get my GM retiree discount. (no 
chance)

Furthermore I live in a "red state".  GM is limiting sales of the '16 models to 
"blue" states. 

On Oct 6, 2015, at 12:31 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV"  wrote:

> 
> From a practical perspective, the "battery with onboard generator" of the 
> Chevrolet Volt is far more practical (and has been around for a
> very long time as the diesel-electric locomotive).  It a real shame
> that the Volt is out of the price range of ordinary consumers as charge
> at home with gasoline (or diesel) for long distance range extension is
> clearly more practical than the limited battery only range of either
> Tesla or the Nissan Leaf.
> 
> I only wish that my father had the ability to follow up on his concept
> for the diesel-electric automobile 50 years ago.  Unfortunately neither
> energy storage (battery technology) nor environmental concerns where as
> well developed then as they are today.
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 10/6/2015 2:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Dave,
>> 
>> It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge 
>> supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous.
>> 
>> Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably 
>>> done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other.  
>>> Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but 
>>> Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as 
>>> a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA 
>>> average mileage requirements.  Certainly Tesla has started at the top end 
>>> of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger 
>>> market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to 
>>> be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as.
>>> 
>>> Dave   AB7E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 
 As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether 
 they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, 
 overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports 
 sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? 
 Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in 
 one's medical insurance?)
 
 Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may 
 very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from 
 that elusive next charging station.
 
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Wes]

It's okay. We know you just wanted to brag about having a Tesla:-)

On Oct 6, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Barry  wrote:

> My apologies for starting this thread.  I had no idea it would take such a
> perverse turn from a simple question.
> 
> Barry W2UP
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Jim Brown]

On Tue,10/6/2015 4:16 PM, Wes wrote:

I would actually consider a Volt if I could get my GM retiree discount. (no 
chance)


W6JTI lives in the "lost coast" area of NorCal and drives a Volt. he 
loves it. Several of my friends drive a Prius and love them. I 
encouraged my wife to buy one, and she's very happy too.  My vehicle is 
a big Toyota SUV -- living in the mountains, you need at least one 
"something big."



Furthermore I live in a "red state".  GM is limiting sales of the '16 models to 
"blue" states.


Don't let that stop you -- about 30 years ago, I wanted what was then 
Toyota's new van. Midwest dealers only sold them loaded, and I needed to 
buy the lower cost models. I found exactly what I wanted on a lot near 
LAX, secured my car loan, and flew out to pick it up and drive it home.


The dealership structure is something that the Tesla owner is working 
hard to break down. Like Elecraft, he only sells direct. And while Tesla 
is a premium model today, they're headed in the direction of much lower 
cost models. Also, Tesla is building a BIG facility in NV to make 
batteries.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Wayne Burdick]

Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime 
soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV and 
am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive at all, 
actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent of approx. 
0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour.

As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they 
should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, 
conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' 
for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially 
covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?)

Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very 
well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that 
elusive next charging station.

Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry  wrote:

> I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S,
> hence the post.  
> 
> When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it.  Now
> I'm having second thoughts.  Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a
> radio?  
> 
> Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer.
> 
> Tnx,
> Barry W2UP


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[Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

[Barry]

I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S,
hence the post.  

When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it.  Now
I'm having second thoughts.  Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a
radio?  

Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer.

Tnx,
Barry W2UP



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