Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
Except after some date in the not too distant future, upgrade to Windows 10 will not be free but cost $100 or so. I've updated three PCs and two Macs (via BootCamp) from Win 7 to Win 10 and I'm very pleased with the new OS. No need for the Classic Shell approach I needed on my one Win 8.1 machine. Phil W7OX On 5/23/16 5:20 PM, Eric Ross wrote: I work at a large corporation that generally keeps the technology reasonably current and we are still standardized on Win 7 Enterprise. I have not run into any apps that are supported on Win 10 and not supported on Win 7. The drive to upgrade has significantly decreased. That is why the upgrade nags were implemented. People are not seeing the need to upgrade. Eric KB7TD On May 23, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Phil Kane wrote: On 5/23/2016 12:12 AM, F5vjc wrote: Do you guys prefer Win 7 or 10 for Ham radio apps. I have a 6-year old Dell tower for my business and personal use and a 3-year old Dell laptop for my ham radio use. Both of them run Win 7 Pro 64 bit. I tried "upgrading" the laptop to Win 10. Too much effort on defusing all of the nasty Microsoft "call home" stuff and auto-updating (I prefer to see and review each and every "patch" before letting it run). Even with ClassicShell (which I use on all of my computers) I could not get Win 10 to look and behave the way I wanted. I had to re-install Win 7 on the laptop because it was beyond the 30-day "easy rollback" period and fortunately I had the "reinstall media" from Dell. Bottom line - I am sticking to Win 7 as long as I have those computers and when either needs replacing I will order new ones with Win 7 installed (not-so-secret that one can still do it if one is a good customer of the supplier). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
I work at a large corporation that generally keeps the technology reasonably current and we are still standardized on Win 7 Enterprise. I have not run into any apps that are supported on Win 10 and not supported on Win 7. The drive to upgrade has significantly decreased. That is why the upgrade nags were implemented. People are not seeing the need to upgrade. Eric KB7TD > On May 23, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > > On 5/23/2016 12:12 AM, F5vjc wrote: > >> Do you guys prefer Win 7 or 10 for Ham radio apps. > > I have a 6-year old Dell tower for my business and personal use and a > 3-year old Dell laptop for my ham radio use. Both of them run Win 7 Pro > 64 bit. > > I tried "upgrading" the laptop to Win 10. Too much effort on defusing > all of the nasty Microsoft "call home" stuff and auto-updating (I prefer > to see and review each and every "patch" before letting it run). Even > with ClassicShell (which I use on all of my computers) I could not get > Win 10 to look and behave the way I wanted. I had to re-install Win 7 > on the laptop because it was beyond the 30-day "easy rollback" period > and fortunately I had the "reinstall media" from Dell. > > Bottom line - I am sticking to Win 7 as long as I have those computers > and when either needs replacing I will order new ones with Win 7 > installed (not-so-secret that one can still do it if one is a good > customer of the supplier). > > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb...@evross.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
I have a couple of home brew computers. One running Linux has 2-256 Gig SSD's, 32 Gig of Ram and a ridiculously fast video card. It's a host for Oracle Virtualbox Virtual Machines (Guest OS's, 3 versions of windows, a Slackware install and a month ago I installed MSDOS 6.22 for giggles and a little Castle Wolfenstein), and one computer running Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate (same hardware as a above). I have no reason to upgrade so won't. I will ride the Windows 7 horse as long as I can. I absolutely hate forced updates. The first thing I turn off on any Windows install is auto-updates. NO patches will be installed on my machines without my inspection first. IMHO auto-updates are for people who don't care or don't know how to update their machines without MS looking over their shoulder. I have seen what mistimed or disordered MS patches can do to a network (just last week at work, took three days to clean up the mess.) Remember, these are the same people who brought us Windows Me and Vista. Nuff said. On 5/23/2016 5:25 PM, Phil Kane wrote. I have a 6-year old Dell tower for my business and personal use and a 3-year old Dell laptop for my ham radio use. Both of them run Win 7 Pro 64 bit. I tried "upgrading" the laptop to Win 10. Too much effort on defusing all of the nasty Microsoft "call home" stuff and auto-updating (I prefer to see and review each and every "patch" before letting it run). Even with ClassicShell (which I use on all of my computers) I could not get Win 10 to look and behave the way I wanted. I had to re-install Win 7 on the laptop because it was beyond the 30-day "easy rollback" period and fortunately I had the "reinstall media" from Dell. Bottom line - I am sticking to Win 7 as long as I have those computers and when either needs replacing I will order new ones with Win 7 installed (not-so-secret that one can still do it if one is a good customer of the supplier). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kevin.sto...@mediacombb.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
On 5/23/2016 12:12 AM, F5vjc wrote: > Do you guys prefer Win 7 or 10 for Ham radio apps. I have a 6-year old Dell tower for my business and personal use and a 3-year old Dell laptop for my ham radio use. Both of them run Win 7 Pro 64 bit. I tried "upgrading" the laptop to Win 10. Too much effort on defusing all of the nasty Microsoft "call home" stuff and auto-updating (I prefer to see and review each and every "patch" before letting it run). Even with ClassicShell (which I use on all of my computers) I could not get Win 10 to look and behave the way I wanted. I had to re-install Win 7 on the laptop because it was beyond the 30-day "easy rollback" period and fortunately I had the "reinstall media" from Dell. Bottom line - I am sticking to Win 7 as long as I have those computers and when either needs replacing I will order new ones with Win 7 installed (not-so-secret that one can still do it if one is a good customer of the supplier). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:26 PM, VE3NFK wrote: > Hi Deni > > ...Win 10 c'est bonne avec Classic Shell... == et aussi avec Stardock 10, qui donne les fonctions d'ancien desktop familier, juste comme Classic Shell Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
Hi Deni Comme les autres Win 10 c'est bonne avec Classic Shell; tous mes programmes 'ham' marche bien. Mon favori TRX-Manager F6DEX c'est tout capable avec Win 10 73 John VE3NFK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-Looking-for-PC-advice-tp7617779p7617826.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
Personally, I'm sticking with Win 7 for as long as I can. I have a few computers: 1) Aged Toshiba laptop with Win XP that has a parallel port for running my N2PK network analyze. No wi-fi in this one anymore. 2) Lenovo T400 upgraded to SSD running Win 7 Home 32 bit that is the shack computer for logging, RTTY, SDR-IQ bandscope, etc. 3) HP Elitebook upgraded to SSD with Win 7 Pro on the workbench/field to run DG8SAQ network analyzer. I tried the "free" Win 10 on this one. It worked okay but issues which follow caused me to roll it back. 4) Dell desktop, also upgraded to SSD, Win 7 Home. Lots of backup storage for photos, banking, doss, etc. 5) Fiance's HP laptop still running Vista. 6) New HP laptop delivered with Win 10 that is supposed to replace #5. All of these (except for #1) are networked via local Wi-Fi. When she fires up with the new Win 10 machine, it totally takes over my network. This thing is so intrusive as to be unbelievable. It's pathetic when you have to install programs to find all of the Windows "phone home" hooks and disable them. I'm sure there are many that are still running. I can only assume that Microsoft has scoured my complete network and saved everything away so NSA can find it all in one place. On 5/23/2016 12:12 AM, F5vjc wrote: Hi, I have an Elecraft K line station and up to now have been running all my software on an aging Win 7 32 bit machine. No real problems but I'm in the process of building an updated PC and have a dilemma. Do I go with Win 7 Pro 64 Bit or Win 10 for the OS? I know some of you will have taken this path already, so how do you find WIN 10 with typical Ham radio software? I run Win4K3, N1MM, HRD, Log4OM, CW Skimmer, NaP3 and numerous other Ham radio stuff. I have Win 10 on my laptop (free update from Win 7) but not used for the Ham shack and find it rather irritating, but this is probably due to unfamiliarity. Do you guys prefer Win 7 or 10 for Ham radio apps. Any advice appreciated, thanks. 73, Deni - F5VJC __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
Deni, I use Win 10 and prefer it. Win 10 is more stable and uses less memory then Win 7. You can install the FREE Classic Shell (see: http://www.classicshell.net/ ) to have the same program start menu setup as Win 7 on the Win 10 system. I don't use or like the Metro interface. Gordon - N1MGO On 05/23/2016 03:12 AM, F5vjc wrote: Hi, I have an Elecraft K line station and up to now have been running all my software on an aging Win 7 32 bit machine. No real problems but I'm in the process of building an updated PC and have a dilemma. Do I go with Win 7 Pro 64 Bit or Win 10 for the OS? I know some of you will have taken this path already, so how do you find WIN 10 with typical Ham radio software? I run Win4K3, N1MM, HRD, Log4OM, CW Skimmer, NaP3 and numerous other Ham radio stuff. I have Win 10 on my laptop (free update from Win 7) but not used for the Ham shack and find it rather irritating, but this is probably due to unfamiliarity. Do you guys prefer Win 7 or 10 for Ham radio apps. Any advice appreciated, thanks. 73, Deni - F5VJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gordon.lapo...@gmail.com -- Gordon - N1MGO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
If you built your own desktop under Win 7, it should migrate right along with the rest of your files. I have had resolution issues with Win 10 and it was a bear to fix. As a result, I run Win 7. The problem was an aberration that came with one of the forced updates. I do all backups by use of clone SSDs and also have updated one of the clones to Win 10. That assures having no licensing problems in the event of a change to Win 10 in the future. Is Win 10 friendly? No, I would say it is not as easy to manipulate as Win 7, but that is my preference. Win 10 will attempt to have you only use MS products in your operation and to that purpose, some updates will change your personal program/app selections from your choosing back to their's. The free version (only version I will use) of HRD performs well on Win 10. I have had issues with drivers on Dell printers, however, have updated to HP and the problem went away. Dell's idea of upgrading drivers is to purchase a new Dell printer. Not acceptable to me. If you do upgrade from Win 7 to Win 10 and don't like it, you can revert back to Win 7. Doing so should protect your licensing rights for a later free upgrade. Eventually, we will all HAVE to upgrade to Win 10. New software will be written to only operate under Win 10 and the same with new hardware. You will become part of the Borge - one way or the other. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
I'd go with Windows 10 but load the freeware classicshell.net Windows 7 option. No silly Tiles, Charms, etc. and you get the traditional W7 interface with the added benefits of W10 (better security, automatic updates, automatic maintenance, etc.) I had 2 older Vista laptops that were converted to W7 ($75 upgrade) and then W10 (free) and they are now great. I also had 2 Win 8 laptops that were converted very easily to W10. Now everything is W10 using the same classicshell interface. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-Looking-for-PC-advice-tp7617779p7617789.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
Deni, I upgraded all supported computers (I have one Dell laptop which is not supported for Windows 10) in my home to Windows 10 months ago, and that includes my shack computer. As an IT consultant, I have to stay on top of changes Microsoft makes. I have had no issues with any of the ham radio software I run on my shack computer. All are running fine under Windows 10. I run all the relevant Elecraft utilities for my K-line, KAT500, and KPA500; N1MM Logger+; VE7CC spotter; HRD; and probably a couple of other applications I'm forgetting. In fact, I am a beta tester and evangelist for HRD and was just with their team in Dayton. HRD is developed under Windows 10 and was being demoed on Windows 10 computers at Dayton, so if you have issues with that application, you should open a ticket with them. My apologies to any who are offended by the slightly off-topic diversion there. The short answer, Deni, is you should not have any issues with the major amateur radio applications under Windows 10. 73 es gud dx, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of F5vjc Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:13 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice. Hi, I have an Elecraft K line station and up to now have been running all my software on an aging Win 7 32 bit machine. No real problems but I'm in the process of building an updated PC and have a dilemma. Do I go with Win 7 Pro 64 Bit or Win 10 for the OS? I know some of you will have taken this path already, so how do you find WIN 10 with typical Ham radio software? I run Win4K3, N1MM, HRD, Log4OM, CW Skimmer, NaP3 and numerous other Ham radio stuff. I have Win 10 on my laptop (free update from Win 7) but not used for the Ham shack and find it rather irritating, but this is probably due to unfamiliarity. Do you guys prefer Win 7 or 10 for Ham radio apps. Any advice appreciated, thanks. 73, Deni - F5VJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik@gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] OT Looking for PC advice.
Hi, I have an Elecraft K line station and up to now have been running all my software on an aging Win 7 32 bit machine. No real problems but I'm in the process of building an updated PC and have a dilemma. Do I go with Win 7 Pro 64 Bit or Win 10 for the OS? I know some of you will have taken this path already, so how do you find WIN 10 with typical Ham radio software? I run Win4K3, N1MM, HRD, Log4OM, CW Skimmer, NaP3 and numerous other Ham radio stuff. I have Win 10 on my laptop (free update from Win 7) but not used for the Ham shack and find it rather irritating, but this is probably due to unfamiliarity. Do you guys prefer Win 7 or 10 for Ham radio apps. Any advice appreciated, thanks. 73, Deni - F5VJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
