Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-15 Thread Barry N1EU
Why not use a monitor with dual inputs and just switch between P3 and PC (or
has this already been suggested, duh)?

Barry N1EU

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-15 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Because it needs to display N1MM logger windows, other stuff AND the P3
output, on the same screen, at the same time.   The P3 probably doesn't do
it for that environment.  It's just not where they were going with the
design.

73, Guy.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Barry N1EU barry.n...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why not use a monitor with dual inputs and just switch between P3 and PC
 (or
 has this already been suggested, duh)?

 Barry N1EU

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 Will there be a facility to export high-resolution image files via the
 USB port?

Not yet - Still at the current resolution. but we are looking at adding 
that to the f/w.

Thanks, Eric - that's as much as we expect right now.

But longer-term, there does need to be some way to show those high-res 
images to the rest of the world! (Maybe a simple write-only process to 
a USB stick, using a system assigned filename?)


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to
my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having
to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated
monitor except to far left or far right.

73, Guy.

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Ian White GM3SEK gm3...@ifwtech.co.ukwrote:

 Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
  Will there be a facility to export high-resolution image files via the
  USB port?

 Not yet - Still at the current resolution. but we are looking at adding
 that to the f/w.
 
 Thanks, Eric - that's as much as we expect right now.

 But longer-term, there does need to be some way to show those high-res
 images to the rest of the world! (Maybe a simple write-only process to
 a USB stick, using a system assigned filename?)


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread John Ragle
Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY 
strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a 
display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision. 
There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd) 
monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it 
stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread John Ragle
Bill...you need to re-read K2AV's email to the list. The point is NOT to 
make the P3 require a dedicated monitor...an A/B switch does nothing to 
change the present situation...

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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On 1/14/2012 4:32 PM, Bill Adams wrote:
 Isn't it possible to use an A B switch to share a monitor between the 
 P3 and computer?

 Bill AF4B

 -Original Message- From: John Ragle
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:16 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now 
 available to order

 Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY
 strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a
 display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision.
 There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd)
 monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it
 stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.

 John Ragle -- W1ZI

 /=/

 On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info 
 somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of 
 having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second 
 dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread John Ragle
The decision goes back to the earliest stage of design of the 
interface. It is my personal opinion that Elecraft made the wrong choice 
at the bifurcation of paths in the design process. An interface of the 
type mentioned by K2AV would have greatly increased utility -- broader 
applicability -- than the simpler one that requires a dedicated monitor. 
As far as I am aware, there was never a vote (as you put it) taken on 
this point...it was summarily decided by Elecraft that the P3 would 
require a dedicated monitor. I am not suggesting that design be 
generally done by vote, just that in this case, windowing the output 
makes much more sense.

As far as being a little option goes, perhaps you should examine the 
posted price -- it is scarcely a little option -- it is about 35% of the 
price of the P3 itself, and when an el cheapo monitor is added on, it 
begins to be more like 50% of the cost of the P3.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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On 1/14/2012 4:34 PM, Brian Fernandez wrote:
 The strength of your feeling on the issue registers but  why 
 is it a disastrous decision? It is just a little option you can use 
 or not use. If it does not help you, you can stick with the P3 itself. 
 Nobody is forcing you to do anything. And if a lot of folks do not buy 
 it, the company will survive. I just do not get why you feel so 
 stromgly about a small option. Wrong headed? That suggests the company 
 is going down the wrong road. If they see a market and address it, why 
 is that wrongheaded? I like the idea and am buying one. But just 
 because we voted differently on this one technical- financial issue is 
 one thing. But I do not understand why it will cause Elecraft to 
 crumble if your point of view is not selected or if you do not win.

 Brian
 K1BRF

 On Saturday, January 14, 2012, John Ragle tpcj1...@crocker.com 
 mailto:tpcj1...@crocker.com wrote:
  Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY
  strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a
  display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision.
  There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd)
  monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it
  stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.
 
  John Ragle -- W1ZI
 
  /=/
 
  On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
  What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info 
 somehow to
  my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of 
 having
  to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second 
 dedicated
  monitor except to far left or far right.
 
  73, Guy.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

John,

The P3 does not requires a dedicated monitor.  The SVGA adapter offers
the opportunity to use a larger, higher resolution, dedicated monitor
as an alternative to the built-in display.

You are becoming rather one-note about your desire for a windowed
display on your computer.  If you want a windowed display, get an
SDR-IQ with SpectraVue or get LP-Pan with son of PowerSDR.  Either
of those solutions provide *exactly* what you want at a much lower
cost than the P3/SVGA combination.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 1/14/2012 4:41 PM, John Ragle wrote:
 Bill...you need to re-read K2AV's email to the list. The point is NOT to
 make the P3 require a dedicated monitor...an A/B switch does nothing to
 change the present situation...

 John Ragle -- W1ZI

 /=/

 On 1/14/2012 4:32 PM, Bill Adams wrote:
 Isn't it possible to use an A B switch to share a monitor between the
 P3 and computer?

 Bill AF4B

 -Original Message- From: John Ragle
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:16 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now
 available to order

 Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY
 strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a
 display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision.
 There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd)
 monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it
 stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.

 John Ragle -- W1ZI

 /=/

 On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info
 somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of
 having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second
 dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT
That is why I am looking for an SVGA frame grabber. Found several USB 
ones, an Ethernet one, and several pci versions. Some with streaming 
video software. Just searched on SVGA frame grapper and SVGA capture.

Other was was to use the Picture in Picture feature of my monitor but 
then the PC would not know it is there.

73, tom n4zp

On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Doug Turnbull
Gentlemen,
We are losing the run of ourselves.   A design decision has been made
and executed by the principals of the company.  Maybe sometime in future a
further option will be added but lets now fall out.   We all are
disappointed at times when our pets are not adopted, the remote pod in my
case.   Time to move on and hope someday Elecraft can please us all, all the
time.   No sense in getting annoyed with each other.

   73 Doug EI2CN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Ragle
Sent: 14 January 2012 21:16
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to
order

Several of us have raised this issue previously. It is one I feel VERY 
strongly about, and I believe I categorized the need to dedicate a 
display to the P3 as a disastrous and completely wrong-headed decision. 
There is no way I can dedicate shack space to yet another (a 3rd) 
monitor just for the pleasure of the P3, and the situation, as it 
stands, pretty much insures that I will not purchase the SVGA adapter.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

/=/

On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
 What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to
 my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having
 to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated
 monitor except to far left or far right.

 73, Guy.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread Brian Alsop
What would be nice is a detachable P3 display.  Just mount the LCD 
portion anywhere you want.  This would help us desk space challenged 
guys lots.  The guts of the P3 could also then be taken off the desk top.

73 de Brian/K3KO


On 1/14/2012 21:59, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

 John,

 The P3 does not requires a dedicated monitor.  The SVGA adapter offers
 the opportunity to use a larger, higher resolution, dedicated monitor
 as an alternative to the built-in display.

 You are becoming rather one-note about your desire for a windowed
 display on your computer.  If you want a windowed display, get an
 SDR-IQ with SpectraVue or get LP-Pan with son of PowerSDR.  Either
 of those solutions provide *exactly* what you want at a much lower
 cost than the P3/SVGA combination.

 73,

  ... Joe, W4TV



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread AB3EN
If you are unhappy with the way the new P3 adapter is designed you might want
to check this gear out. http://www.rgb.com/products/DualView2/ 

For me, I think it will work fine as designed. 

73
AB3EN

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-14 Thread John Ragle
Dan...

 Thanks very much for the information...the DualView unit looks 
excellent, as do the others...

John Ragle -- W1ZI

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On 1/14/2012 9:05 PM, AB3EN wrote:
 If you are unhappy with the way the new P3 adapter is designed you might want
 to check this gear out. http://www.rgb.com/products/DualView2/

 For me, I think it will work fine as designed.

 73
 AB3EN

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Schieler
several months?  Come on guys, we asked for this feature at LEAST a week ago! 
 ;o)

Good grief.  Does the Elecraft creativity well ever dry up?

Thanks again!

Terry, W0FM



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From: Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft [mailto:e...@elecraft.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to 
order

The keyboard usb port h/w has been tested, but needs additional firmware to be 
written before we add the external keyboard feature. We hope to have it live in 
the next several months. 

73,

Eric

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-12 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
The keyboard usb port h/w has been tested, but needs additional 
firmware to be written before we add the external keyboard feature. We 
hope to have it live in the next several months.


Will there be a facility to export high-resolution image files via the 
USB port?


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-12 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Not yet - Still at the current resolution. but we are looking at adding 
that to the f/w.

Eric
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On 1/12/2012 1:50 PM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
 Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:
 The keyboard usb port h/w has been tested, but needs additional
 firmware to be written before we add the external keyboard feature. We
 hope to have it live in the next several months.

 Will there be a facility to export high-resolution image files via the
 USB port?


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[Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-11 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
The P3SVGA wide screen video adapter for the P3 Panadapter with high 
performance FFT processor is now available for ordering. See:
http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm#svga

The P3SVGA adapter adds wide screen display capability to the P3 (up to 
1920x1080p). It also has a dedicated high speed FFT processor that 
performs a 2048 point FFT in parallel with the P3's existing processor, 
for a much higher frequency resolution per dot display on the larger 
screen. The P3SVGA adapter is a plug-in internal card to the P3 that can 
be easily added by the user.

The P3SVGA also includes an interface for our future USB keyboard option 
that will allow direct digital mode operation via the K3 and P3, with 
data display in a P3.

Currently supported native screen resolutions  (other resolutions may be 
added in the future):

 1024 x 768
 1280 x 1024
 1440 x 900
 1600 x 900
 1920 x 1080

Note: Most other resolution flat screen displays also support the next 
lower P3 screen resolution.

Like the P3, the P3SVGA is firmware downloadable and new features will 
be available over time.

The P3SVGA is now available on our order page.  Its estimated starting 
ship date is Feb. 21st.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-11 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Hi Eric,
Thanks for letting us know.
One question though, is the USB port currently enabled for keyboard use or 
do we have to wait for that feature to be enabled in the firmware?
If we have to wait, can you give us some kind of time frame for that feature 
to become 'live'
Thanks in advance,

73 de
Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
East Innisfail
QLD, Australia
K3 #4257, P3 #1629, KPA-500 #161

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To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:17 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to 
order


 The P3SVGA wide screen video adapter for the P3 Panadapter with high
 performance FFT processor is now available for ordering. See:
 http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm#svga

 The P3SVGA adapter adds wide screen display capability to the P3 (up to
 1920x1080p). It also has a dedicated high speed FFT processor that
 performs a 2048 point FFT in parallel with the P3's existing processor,
 for a much higher frequency resolution per dot display on the larger
 screen. The P3SVGA adapter is a plug-in internal card to the P3 that can
 be easily added by the user.

 The P3SVGA also includes an interface for our future USB keyboard option
 that will allow direct digital mode operation via the K3 and P3, with
 data display in a P3.

 Currently supported native screen resolutions  (other resolutions may be
 added in the future):

 1024 x 768
 1280 x 1024
 1440 x 900
 1600 x 900
 1920 x 1080

 Note: Most other resolution flat screen displays also support the next
 lower P3 screen resolution.

 Like the P3, the P3SVGA is firmware downloadable and new features will
 be available over time.

 The P3SVGA is now available on our order page.  Its estimated starting
 ship date is Feb. 21st.

 73,

 Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-11 Thread Tom Azlin N4ZPT
Thanks Eric. Now to look for an SVGA frame grabber so I can stream the 
P3 output and perhaps put in a movable window in my large display. 73, 
tom n4zpt

On 1/11/2012 9:17 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 The P3SVGA wide screen video adapter for the P3 Panadapter with high
 performance FFT processor is now available for ordering. See:
 http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm#svga

 The P3SVGA adapter adds wide screen display capability to the P3 (up to
 1920x1080p). It also has a dedicated high speed FFT processor that
 performs a 2048 point FFT in parallel with the P3's existing processor,
 for a much higher frequency resolution per dot display on the larger
 screen. The P3SVGA adapter is a plug-in internal card to the P3 that can
 be easily added by the user.

 The P3SVGA also includes an interface for our future USB keyboard option
 that will allow direct digital mode operation via the K3 and P3, with
 data display in a P3.

 Currently supported native screen resolutions  (other resolutions may be
 added in the future):

   1024 x 768
   1280 x 1024
   1440 x 900
   1600 x 900
   1920 x 1080

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order

2012-01-11 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
The keyboard usb port h/w has been tested, but needs additional firmware to be 
written before we add the external keyboard feature. We hope to have it live in 
the next several months. 

73,

Eric

www.elecraft.com
_..._



On Jan 11, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF 
vk4bof.elecr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Eric,
 Thanks for letting us know.
 One question though, is the USB port currently enabled for keyboard use or 
 do we have to wait for that feature to be enabled in the firmware?
 If we have to wait, can you give us some kind of time frame for that feature 
 to become 'live'
 Thanks in advance,
 
 73 de
 Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
 East Innisfail
 QLD, Australia
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