Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
Gentlemen, This thread was formally closed by the moderator several days ago. Please do not post amateur radio policy critiques, comments etc here. End of Thread. 73, Eric List Modulator elecraft.com _..._ On Jun 23, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: No more 2 cents worth please.. Who said Ham Radio Operators are CHEAP? ;-) 73 Milverton / W9MMS. On Monday, June 23, 2014 6:57 PM, Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com wrote: Good grief folks. No more 2 cents worth please...even I get it! End of thread...I hope.. Gary On 24 June 2014 08:17, mcduf...@ag0n.net wrote: If this comes to fruition there will be a mass exodus of regular hams and this will affect not only Elecraft but all ham radio manufacturers Which means it is off topic for this ELECRAFT related forum. Take it to some wider forum and have at it. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz http://www.qsl.net/vk1zzMotorhome Portable* *Grumpy's House* *Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT* __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnny...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
Perhaps others like me are unaware of this proposed FCC rule that would allow digital communication modes 2.8 kHz in width to be used robotically in the CW and data sub-bands without regard to interference. ARRL supports this and evidently initiated it. http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/RM-11708%20Briefing%20Memo.pdf However, information on websites savecw.com and saveRTTY.com indicates it would cause grave interference with CW and narrow digital modes. There is evidently a short window of opportunity to submit comments to the FCC about this, and there are instructions on the noted websites for how to do this online within just a few minutes. If you google for RM-11708 you can read some well-reasoned comments submitted by other hams to the FCC electronic docket. I can't evaluate the claims being made about ARRL's motivation but it seems important not to allow such bad interference, so I submitted a comment. Julie KT4JR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
This is not the place for this. Eric take note please Sam Carson K4soc -Original Message- From: jsdroys...@nc.rr.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 9:13 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes Perhaps others like me are unaware of this proposed FCC rule that would allow digital communication modes 2.8 kHz in width to be used robotically in the CW and data sub-bands without regard to interference. ARRL supports this and evidently initiated it. http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/RM-11708%20Briefing%20Memo.pdf However, information on websites savecw.com and saveRTTY.com indicates it would cause grave interference with CW and narrow digital modes. There is evidently a short window of opportunity to submit comments to the FCC about this, and there are instructions on the noted websites for how to do this online within just a few minutes. If you google for RM-11708 you can read some well-reasoned comments submitted by other hams to the FCC electronic docket. I can't evaluate the claims being made about ARRL's motivation but it seems important not to allow such bad interference, so I submitted a comment. Julie KT4JR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to samcar...@attglobal.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
Hello, I bought a KX3 to induce me to learn the code and operate portable. Randal Evans, who is not a ham, wants RM-11708 approved, so he can use the ham-bands to download movies. Imagine that happening where I want to operate CW and PSK31. Here is Evans' message to the FCC sent in last week: 7521315143.txt To: FCC - RM-11708 The sailing forms are all engouraging us to file comments in support of RM-11708. This is my first filing and if I mess this up, please see SailNet Forum at: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/111746-us-c itizensurged-support-fcc-rm-11708-a.html I have experienced very dependable service from the amateur radio Internet Winlink system. Its a great service because all of the other available Internet services cost money. Even when I am topside crusing the system runs automatically below deck publishing my position reports and downloading my email. I use the system for sending position reports, ordering supplies, repairs, chatting with friends and posting to facebook. My only complaint is that it needs to be much faster. I am not a amateur radio operator yet but a friend lets me use his call with a SIDD on the end. I hope to get my own ham call soon. From what I read on the sailing forums, RM-11708 will allow Winlink eMail to run twice as fast. That is great and I am for that. Some of the technical folks are saying that if RM-11708 is published with no bandwidth we can get even faster Internet and might be able to stream movies on the Winlink Internet. I'm for passing RM-11708 into law with no bandwdith limits. I sent to the FCC my notice that I don't want RM-11708. I don't want the ham-bands used for email and movies when commercial services can do that. 73 Jerry KM3K -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jsdroys...@nc.rr.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 9:14 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes Perhaps others like me are unaware of this proposed FCC rule that would allow digital communication modes 2.8 kHz in width to be used robotically in the CW and data sub-bands without regard to interference. ARRL supports this and evidently initiated it. http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/RM-11708%20Briefing%20Memo.pdf However, information on websites savecw.com and saveRTTY.com indicates it would cause grave interference with CW and narrow digital modes. There is evidently a short window of opportunity to submit comments to the FCC about this, and there are instructions on the noted websites for how to do this online within just a few minutes. If you google for RM-11708 you can read some well-reasoned comments submitted by other hams to the FCC electronic docket. I can't evaluate the claims being made about ARRL's motivation but it seems important not to allow such bad interference, so I submitted a comment. Julie KT4JR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jso...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
think my comments on RM-11708 went thru. This is very serious to ANYONE who wants to retain narrow band digital communications like JT9 and PSK31 and RTTY!! Also to CW Dxers and contesters! If this passes, it will change amateur radio as we have known it forever. There will be no weak signal operation possible with the onset of digital noise in the analog receiver. IF THIS IS REALLY A NECESSARY DIGITAL MODE, it belongs somewhere in a segment of the phone band sub-band and NOT THE narrow band digital and CW band. I think this is REALLY a back door attempt to silence Continuous wave telegraphy..really! I hope the old timers and the newbies who are still hanging on to CW will write comments against this sneaky move ARRL is backing to satisfy mostly the Yacht crowd who want to access the internet via HF radio! It will violate the 300 baud or less rule of keeping wideband digital OUT of the narrow band digital space! Don't rely on the FCC to nix this RM as there isn't any real engineers at the FCC anymore, just lawyers, bean counters and political hacks running things there now. Proof of this is higher authorities bypassing FCC and making rules that stand now in the new 60 meter band. Please add your voices to the protest against RM-11708! 73, Sandy W5TVW On 6/23/2014 8:13 AM, jsdroys...@nc.rr.com wrote: Perhaps others like me are unaware of this proposed FCC rule that would allow digital communication modes 2.8 kHz in width to be used robotically in the CW and data sub-bands without regard to interference. ARRL supports this and evidently initiated it. http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/RM-11708%20Briefing%20Memo.pdf However, information on websites savecw.com and saveRTTY.com indicates it would cause grave interference with CW and narrow digital modes. There is evidently a short window of opportunity to submit comments to the FCC about this, and there are instructions on the noted websites for how to do this online within just a few minutes. If you google for RM-11708 you can read some well-reasoned comments submitted by other hams to the FCC electronic docket. I can't evaluate the claims being made about ARRL's motivation but it seems important not to allow such bad interference, so I submitted a comment. Julie KT4JR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebj...@charter.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
The worst part of the quote from the yachtsman that really ticks me off is where he says: Its a great service because all of the other available Internet services cost money. Really? We end up with this QRM so boaters don't have to pay for internet services? In my comments to the FCC I stated that if there is an emergency and the faster communications is needed then the FCC has the ability to declare an emergency and allow otherwise unauthorized modes. Just like they do when they set aside a certain frequency. This is not an emergency nor is the guy checking his email a reason to change rules to suite them! The proponents say this will not cause problems. What I see is the interference this will cause to these stations amongst themselves in there narrow bandspace, they will then start moving out from each other taking up more and more bandspace! Moving other modes out as they do so. This is a disaster waiting to happen. BTW, this affects ALL amateurs so this crosses in to the on topic line. If this comes to fruition there will be a mass exodus of regular hams and this will affect not only Elecraft but all ham radio manufacturers! 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Blaize Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:59 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes think my comments on RM-11708 went thru. This is very serious to ANYONE who wants to retain narrow band digital communications like JT9 and PSK31 and RTTY!! Also to CW Dxers and contesters! If this passes, it will change amateur radio as we have known it forever. There will be no weak signal operation possible with the onset of digital noise in the analog receiver. IF THIS IS REALLY A NECESSARY DIGITAL MODE, it belongs somewhere in a segment of the phone band sub-band and NOT THE narrow band digital and CW band. I think this is REALLY a back door attempt to silence Continuous wave telegraphy..really! I hope the old timers and the newbies who are still hanging on to CW will write comments against this sneaky move ARRL is backing to satisfy mostly the Yacht crowd who want to access the internet via HF radio! It will violate the 300 baud or less rule of keeping wideband digital OUT of the narrow band digital space! Don't rely on the FCC to nix this RM as there isn't any real engineers at the FCC anymore, just lawyers, bean counters and political hacks running things there now. Proof of this is higher authorities bypassing FCC and making rules that stand now in the new 60 meter band. Please add your voices to the protest against RM-11708! 73, Sandy W5TVW On 6/23/2014 8:13 AM, jsdroys...@nc.rr.com wrote: Perhaps others like me are unaware of this proposed FCC rule that would allow digital communication modes 2.8 kHz in width to be used robotically in the CW and data sub-bands without regard to interference. ARRL supports this and evidently initiated it. http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/RM-11708%20Briefing%20Memo.pdf However, information on websites savecw.com and saveRTTY.com indicates it would cause grave interference with CW and narrow digital modes. There is evidently a short window of opportunity to submit comments to the FCC about this, and there are instructions on the noted websites for how to do this online within just a few minutes. If you google for RM-11708 you can read some well-reasoned comments submitted by other hams to the FCC electronic docket. I can't evaluate the claims being made about ARRL's motivation but it seems important not to allow such bad interference, so I submitted a comment. Julie KT4JR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebj...@charter.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@kq8m.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
Five days ago (6/18), Eric declared this off topic and asked the discussion to end. This was his post. Folks - please take this thread off list immediately. In general, please do notdiscuss amateur policy issues here. That is a deep rabbit hole that can and will generate voluminous OT traffic. End of Thread. Eric List Moderator elecraft.com https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg170708.html wunder K6WRU On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Sandy Blaize ebj...@charter.net wrote: think my comments on RM-11708 went thru. This is very serious to ANYONE who wants to retain narrow band digital communications like JT9 and PSK31 and RTTY!! Also to CW Dxers and contesters! If this passes, it will change amateur radio as we have known it forever. There will be no weak signal operation possible with the onset of digital noise in the analog receiver. IF THIS IS REALLY A NECESSARY DIGITAL MODE, it belongs somewhere in a segment of the phone band sub-band and NOT THE narrow band digital and CW band. I think this is REALLY a back door attempt to silence Continuous wave telegraphy..really! I hope the old timers and the newbies who are still hanging on to CW will write comments against this sneaky move ARRL is backing to satisfy mostly the Yacht crowd who want to access the internet via HF radio! It will violate the 300 baud or less rule of keeping wideband digital OUT of the narrow band digital space! Don't rely on the FCC to nix this RM as there isn't any real engineers at the FCC anymore, just lawyers, bean counters and political hacks running things there now. Proof of this is higher authorities bypassing FCC and making rules that stand now in the new 60 meter band. Please add your voices to the protest against RM-11708! 73, Sandy W5TVW On 6/23/2014 8:13 AM, jsdroys...@nc.rr.com wrote: Perhaps others like me are unaware of this proposed FCC rule that would allow digital communication modes 2.8 kHz in width to be used robotically in the CW and data sub-bands without regard to interference. ARRL supports this and evidently initiated it. http://www.arrl.org/files/media/News/RM-11708%20Briefing%20Memo.pdf However, information on websites savecw.com and saveRTTY.com indicates it would cause grave interference with CW and narrow digital modes. There is evidently a short window of opportunity to submit comments to the FCC about this, and there are instructions on the noted websites for how to do this online within just a few minutes. If you google for RM-11708 you can read some well-reasoned comments submitted by other hams to the FCC electronic docket. I can't evaluate the claims being made about ARRL's motivation but it seems important not to allow such bad interference, so I submitted a comment. Julie KT4JR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebj...@charter.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
Thank you, Walter. I was about to suggest to Eric that he seriously consider appointing a deputy moderator to keep the reflector in check when he is not around. It is good to see that you have volunteered for the job. Keep up the good work. There is far too much off-topic stuff on here so causing folks to move over to the Yahoo groups. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org writes Five days ago (6/18), Eric declared this off topic and asked the discussion to end. This was his post. Folks - please take this thread off list immediately. In general, please do notdiscuss amateur policy issues here. That is a deep rabbit hole that can and will generate voluminous OT traffic. End of Thread. Eric List Moderator elecraft.com https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg170708.html wunder K6WRU -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
Indeed it does, not just the USA. I hope the IARU is making appropriate noise. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 23/06/2014 12:23, KQ8M wrote: BTW, this affects ALL amateurs so this crosses in to the on topic line. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
More to the point, if we don't keep the list clean, I'm sure it could be a true moderated list with the flip of a switch. If that happened, a moderator would have to approve all posts before they go out to the list -- and that slows the tempo way down. -- Lynn On 6/23/2014 8:54 AM, David G4DMP wrote: Thank you, Walter. I was about to suggest to Eric that he seriously consider appointing a deputy moderator to keep the reflector in check when he is not around. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
Your argument is basically free speech vs. the wishes of the forum owner. The list owner has observed that any post on amateur radio politics is going to generate a lot of traffic and is inevitably controversial. Since the purpose of the list is to discuss Elecraft products, and not amateur radio in general, the list owner has basically said not here. Personally, I'm okay with this topic, but I don't own the list, and it's outside the list charter. Meaning those of us who want to keep up on rule changes need to get that news in other ways. 73 -- Lynn On 6/23/2014 9:42 AM, Joseph Robertson wrote: Lynn, Mike, David and Walter, Ok, I see your OT Point. But I have to ask a critical question. I promise I won't comment again on this OT Topic Topic. If the future of CW for us new hams with the KX3 is not ON Topic WHAT is on Topic. Respectively I'm asking how would I learn about this problem with our bandwidth being threatened if I did not get it here. This is the only list I subscribe to. I agree with all the posters above me this is critical to the future of CW and Especially the future of CW in relation to the KX3 Thank you to all above me who passed on this information so I can contact the FCC and submit a comment. Respectfully, Joseph Robertson KG7DTF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
The First Amendment stops the government (in the US) from interfering with free expression. This list is not owned by the government; the amendment doesn't apply. Let's move on please. Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com wrote: Your argument is basically free speech vs. the wishes of the forum owner. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
OMG This is forking into a constitutional discussion... N -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2014-06-23 at 11:24 -0700, Rick Bates, WA6NHC wrote: The First Amendment stops the government (in the US) from interfering with free expression. This list is not owned by the government; the amendment doesn't apply. Let's move on please. Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com wrote: Your argument is basically free speech vs. the wishes of the forum owner. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
If this comes to fruition there will be a mass exodus of regular hams and this will affect not only Elecraft but all ham radio manufacturers Which means it is off topic for this ELECRAFT related forum. Take it to some wider forum and have at it. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
Good grief folks. No more 2 cents worth please...even I get it! End of thread...I hope.. Gary On 24 June 2014 08:17, mcduf...@ag0n.net wrote: If this comes to fruition there will be a mass exodus of regular hams and this will affect not only Elecraft but all ham radio manufacturers Which means it is off topic for this ELECRAFT related forum. Take it to some wider forum and have at it. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz http://www.qsl.net/vk1zzMotorhome Portable* *Grumpy's House* *Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT* __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708 proposal to FCC threatens CW and digital modes
No more 2 cents worth please.. Who said Ham Radio Operators are CHEAP? ;-) 73 Milverton / W9MMS. On Monday, June 23, 2014 6:57 PM, Gary Gregory vk1zzg...@gmail.com wrote: Good grief folks. No more 2 cents worth please...even I get it! End of thread...I hope.. Gary On 24 June 2014 08:17, mcduf...@ag0n.net wrote: If this comes to fruition there will be a mass exodus of regular hams and this will affect not only Elecraft but all ham radio manufacturers Which means it is off topic for this ELECRAFT related forum. Take it to some wider forum and have at it. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz http://www.qsl.net/vk1zzMotorhome Portable* *Grumpy's House* *Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT* __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnny...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
