Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
FTDI did exactly *one thing* ... they removed the code that identified the device as genuine FTDI which prevented the device from working with FTDI's drivers. The did not steal or destroy the device - only mark it as a fraud. The user, vendor or manufacturer can still make or obtain a driver that allows the device to work ... just not as an FTDI device. FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To me, that's an entirely legitimate exercise in self-protection by a small (yes FTDI is small as far as chip designers and fabricators go) producer. Leave the issues of finding or developing software for the stolen designs to those using the stolen designs. To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times. You're wrong again. If someone goes into a bank or retail shop with counterfeit currency the bank or retailer (if they are using detectors for the counterfeit currency) is going to *confiscate* that currency. You will not get it back nor will you be compensated with legitimate currency. The currency will be turned over to the US Department of the Treasury where it will be destroyed. You will be lucky if you do not hear from Treasury because if you do it will be for prosecution. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-26 5:22 AM, G4GNX wrote: Joe. Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-) Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate and disable their driver. FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the currency and say nothing. If FTDI can't afford their own police force they do have the option to approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and money before principles! :-( 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: Gary Gregory Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM To: Joe Subich, W4TV Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Good grief.. No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess. Oh well, like i dsidwhat would i know? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV w...@subich.com wrote: On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than lazy to my way of thinkingbut what would i know? Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you received it from someone else? ... or should you be allowed to keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole it? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
Folks - Here is not the place to argue about topics like this. End of thread. 73, Eric List moderator, when required.. elecraft.com On 10/27/2014 12:02 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: FTDI did exactly *one thing* ... they removed the code that identified the device as genuine FTDI which prevented the device from working with FTDI's drivers. The did not steal or destroy the device - only mark it as a fraud. The user, vendor or manufacturer can still make or obtain a driver that allows the device to work ... just not as an FTDI device. FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To me, that's an entirely legitimate exercise in self-protection by a small (yes FTDI is small as far as chip designers and fabricators go) producer. Leave the issues of finding or developing software for the stolen designs to those using the stolen designs. To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times. You're wrong again. If someone goes into a bank or retail shop with counterfeit currency the bank or retailer (if they are using detectors for the counterfeit currency) is going to *confiscate* that currency. You will not get it back nor will you be compensated with legitimate currency. The currency will be turned over to the US Department of the Treasury where it will be destroyed. You will be lucky if you do not hear from Treasury because if you do it will be for prosecution. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-26 5:22 AM, G4GNX wrote: Joe. Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-) Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate and disable their driver. FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the currency and say nothing. If FTDI can't afford their own police force they do have the option to approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and money before principles! :-( 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: Gary Gregory Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM To: Joe Subich, W4TV Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Good grief.. No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess. Oh well, like i dsidwhat would i know? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV w...@subich.com wrote: On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than lazy to my way of thinkingbut what would i know? Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you received it from someone else? ... or should you be allowed to keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole it? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
Good grief.. No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess. Oh well, like i dsidwhat would i know? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV w...@subich.com wrote: On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than lazy to my way of thinkingbut what would i know? Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you received it from someone else? ... or should you be allowed to keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole it? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Using an old Prolific here still. No known issues to date. Interedtingly, using teo FTDI cabled i get interference so placed them in the junk cable box. One came from Elecraft and the other from ebay. I can easily accept a counterfeit from ebay but the Elecraft supplied cable was annoying to say the least. Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than lazy to my way of thinkingbut what would i know? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 26/10/2014 1:49 AM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote: I've changed all my devices to Moxa's or Lantronix devices, that way I don't have to worry about not having the ports installed on my desktop or laptop. These are RS232 over IP devices. Mike va3mw On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:17 AM, W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to va...@portcredit.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
On 10/25/2014 11:32 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Good grief.. No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess. Oh well, like i dsidwhat would i know? Hi Gary, You're allowed to have an opinion, but so are the rest of us. I agree with Joe -- vendors who steal designs ought to be condemned. Behringer established a reputation for doing that a decade or so ago, and the pro audio community condemned them (as did at least one court). Those who buy cheap stuff from unknown vendors should not be surprised when it turns out to be stolen or junk. Elecraft sells USB to serial interface cables of known good quality. The real stuff usually does cost more than junk. I serve on an international Standards Committee (the Audio Engineering Society) with representatives of several very good manufacturers who have told me of their problems with counterfeits, and most of it is junk. For example, connectors that don't mate because their dimensions are wrong, and mics that look like the real thing but don't sound like the real thing. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
Joe. Some of us have other things to do, so opinions may take time. :-) Prolific are just a pain, but understandable that they would retaliate and disable their driver. FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. To use your government analogy, if someone is known to be handling stolen money, you don't just steal it back, that is illegal. You confiscate the goods and you take the case through the courts, keeping the 'suspect' informed at all times. In the case of counterfeit money, you don't just destroy the currency and say nothing. If FTDI can't afford their own police force they do have the option to approach various governments and trade bodies to get the counterfeiting stopped, although they may be into a hiding for nothing by trying to stop the cheap Chinese copies. Nobody wants to upset the Chinese because there's too much money involved in other trade with them. Greed and money before principles! :-( 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: Gary Gregory Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:32 AM To: Joe Subich, W4TV Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Good grief.. No opions allowed unless cleared by a superior i guess. Oh well, like i dsidwhat would i know? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 26/10/2014 12:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV w...@subich.com wrote: On 2014-10-25 9:06 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than lazy to my way of thinkingbut what would i know? Does your government allow you to use counterfeit currency if you received it from someone else? ... or should you be allowed to keep a stolen K-line if you purchased it from the person who stole it? 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
On 10/26/2014 2:22 AM, G4GNX wrote: FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. Let's see if I understand this. Someone steals from me, I take measures to make it difficult for someone to use what has been stolen, and I am the bad guy? In most of the civilized world, buying stolen goods is a crime. And in most religions, it's also immoral. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
In China they brag about how they have stolen intellectual property. Mike va3mw On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 10/26/2014 2:22 AM, G4GNX wrote: FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. Let's see if I understand this. Someone steals from me, I take measures to make it difficult for someone to use what has been stolen, and I am the bad guy? In most of the civilized world, buying stolen goods is a crime. And in most religions, it's also immoral. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to va...@portcredit.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
No Jim, it's not such a clear cut situation. Of course manufacturers should be able to protect their interests, but taking acceptable measures depends on the degree of the measures and as usual the (often innocent) end-user is bearing the brunt of the 'measures' instead of the perpetrators of the crime. The entire scenario is confusing in the extreme. The 'genuine' manufacturers sell their chips with a view to 3rd parties using them in interfaces which they then sell. The end-user mostly will have no idea which chip they have purchase in good faith. Even the technically competent of us will not stop to question what's inside the box. You buy according to published details and would find it very difficult to detect the lies on face value. To simply disable a facility because you 'think' it's counterfeit and then not inform the user, is futile. The deed has already been done, the money's changed hands and all you've done is to cost yourself money in retaliation development with no hope of recovering your losses. You have also gotten yourself a reputation as a manufacturer of bad designs, because the public in general can't differentiate between the real thing and the counterfeit. That's why we have laws to be administered by people who (hopefully) know what they're doing and who have the resources to prove the case and make it stick against the source. Microsoft with all their faults seem to have mostly got it right. To use Windows legally you have to validate and everyone knows this. If you don't abide by the rules or attempt to validate a hooky copy, the facility (Windows) will be withdrawn and you will receive a message telling you why and how to go about rectifying the situation. Microsoft do not attempt to disable any part of your PC's hardware, which is what FTDI have done and in my view is plain wrong! Folks can sit on their pedestals and claim that you should know better than to buy a 'cheap' product , but often there's not a vast difference in prices and human nature being what it is, people like a bargain or a perceived saving. The criminals exploit this trait and IMO it's up to the vendors to go after the criminals directly, not a few end-users who will give up on the device and nobody wins. If I lived in the USA or was about to visit imminently, I'd happily buy what I need direct from Elecraft as a responsible/reputable supplier, but as I'm in the UK I've ordered a USB/RS232 interface cable direct from FTDI in Scotland. The purchase price is significantly lower than that from Elecraft, due to shipping costs and taxes, plus I do not wish to wait over a week to receive it or pay courier prices for fast delivery. Hopefully you can see my point? The device I've ordered is cheaper, but that does not make me suspicious that it's counterfeit. If the device arrived and was counterfeit, I'd be extremely surprised and very angry and would kick ass! 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: Jim Brown Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:33 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface On 10/26/2014 2:22 AM, G4GNX wrote: FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. Let's see if I understand this. Someone steals from me, I take measures to make it difficult for someone to use what has been stolen, and I am the bad guy? In most of the civilized world, buying stolen goods is a crime. And in most religions, it's also immoral. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] RS232 interface
Just a heads up ... FTDI has released another update of their driver, removing the offending code that disables counterfeit chips, the older driver that does the disabling has been removed from the Windows update. However, if you have a previously bricked RS232/USB converter, there is no easy way to fix that issue other than going into the chips NVRAM and resetting the hardware code. Neil KB3TVU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
The FTDI drivers mostly work with the legitimate FTDI chips, but not always, because FTDI screwed up. The latest FTDI drivers won't work with the counterfeit chips, but the remedy is simple - use an older driver and disable Windows Update (which I don't like anyway). The difference between buying a key for the wrong lock is that the key does not attempt to destroy the inside of the lock (unless you hit it with a hammer grin). The latest FTDI driver attempts to disable the internals of the chip itself and sometimes manages to hit genuine chips. They caught a cold on that one and have apparently been forced to withdraw it. That hit their reputation far more than the counterfeits which they did not manufacture. I purchased a programming cable for a TYT hand-held from a 'reputable' supplier and that turned out to be a fake. What should happen is that the cable should be returned, a refund issued and the driver manufacturer informed but that would involve one company wasting time on another's business and in these days where time is money, it doesn't happen. In the meantime I just wanna program my rig, so I find the easiest way out - install an earlier driver. Yes, it's wrong but I don't have time to do others' bidding, and the only way I know if there's a 'bum' chip in the cable is by buying it first and using it. We can all be holier than thou when it comes to what other people should do, but when it's ourselves, we all tend to do what it takes to get the result we want, even committing minor crime. Show me one person who has never bent the rules for their own small gain and I'll show you a liar! 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: Brian Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:13 AM To: G4GNX Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Let me see. The FTDI drivers work only on their legitimate chips. They don't work on the counterfeit chips. OK so far? If you try and use FTDI drivers for counterfeit chips failure will result. That's OK too. I don't know what kind of drivers are sent with counterfeit chip or whether they even work. If you try and upgrade the drivers to legit FTDI ones, they will fail. What would you expect? This really is no different than buying a key for a lock. It works on that lock and doesn't work on other locks. The real issue: how does one know that have a genuine FTDI chip in the USB/RS232 converter purchased. This takes some homework and finding a reliable source. One has to realize that manufacturers have to try an protect their products from counterfeit knock offs. Their bottom line and reputation is at stake. 73 de Brian/K3KO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
Yes Neil, the damage is not irreparable if you know how to do it, but 90% of the public will perceive their device as clinically dead! My point is that FTDI realized their error and removed it. Whilst not resolving their situation, they at least have saved some 'face'. 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: Neil Zampella Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:41 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Just a heads up ... FTDI has released another update of their driver, removing the offending code that disables counterfeit chips, the older driver that does the disabling has been removed from the Windows update. However, if you have a previously bricked RS232/USB converter, there is no easy way to fix that issue other than going into the chips NVRAM and resetting the hardware code. Neil KB3TVU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
Jim, I agree and disagree. vendors who steal designs ought to be condemned. Behringer established a reputation for doing that a decade or so ago, and the pro audio community condemned them (as did at least one court). Yes they should be condemned and punished. Those who buy cheap stuff from unknown vendors should not be surprised when it turns out to be stolen or junk. Elecraft sells USB to serial interface cables of known good quality. The real stuff usually does cost more than junk. Punishing unknowing customers -- and most will not know they bought items with these problems, since vendors of good repute occasionally make mistakes and most of us cannot track the source of each chip in a product -- is just plain wrong-headed of FTDI. May they suffer the consequences to their reputation. 73, Phil W7OX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface - the analogy
Just for the record, buying stolen goods is not a crime. *Knowingly* buying stolen goods, however, often is. In any case even an innocent purchaser of stolen goods acquires no valid title to them. If he loses out to the rightful owner, it¹s he who has to go chase the thief. That is one of the traditional dimensions of the principle of Caveat Emptor (buyer beware.) How it fits into the present discussion I will let others decide. End of OT law school lecture. Ted, KN1CBR Edward A. Dauer Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver On 10/26/14, 4:14 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 29 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 02:33:50 -0700 From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Message-ID: 544cbffe.50...@audiosystemsgroup.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 10/26/2014 2:22 AM, G4GNX wrote: FTDI on the other hand should be severely slapped. Let's see if I understand this. Someone steals from me, I take measures to make it difficult for someone to use what has been stolen, and I am the bad guy? In most of the civilized world, buying stolen goods is a crime. And in most religions, it's also immoral. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
You are correct. It's been around longer than USB on laptops and you could get PCMCIA cards for just about everything. Ethernet, 56K modems, serial port, Air Cards (cell phones for your laptop), etc With that said I don't use laptops. They're slow compared to a desktop, they're comparatively expensive compared to desktops, they're fragile and almost impossible for average computer user to repair. I use desktops and I build my own. The ultimate no solder kit. Each one of mine has three RS-232 ports. One is a dongle from the RS-232 header on the motherboard. The mobo manufacturers haven't abandoned RS-232...they just don't supply the 9 pin port anymore. Each one of mine has an PCI-1X expansion card with two ports. Four port cards are available. I don't have to dork around with adapters and try to keep track of who has counterfeit chips and who doesn't and which version of the drivers work with which version of the chips. One very good reason for Elecraft to not just walk away but RUN away from including USB ports on their products. I do have one USB adapter for programming my Chinese handhelds with CHIRP. I paid more for an FTDI chip set. On 10/25/2014 7:36 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: My impression is that PCMCIA aka PC Card, I think, went away some years ago. None of my three laptops has that feature. Phil W7OX -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface
There is a difference between obeying the law and enforcing the law. We all have an obligation to obey the law. We might not have a right enforce it. Think about someone driving 55 mph in the fast lane because they want to enforce the law. This is not a perfect analogy because there are are also laws about letting faster traffic pass, but it is a useful thought experiment. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Oct 26, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com wrote: Jim, I agree and disagree. vendors who steal designs ought to be condemned. Behringer established a reputation for doing that a decade or so ago, and the pro audio community condemned them (as did at least one court). Yes they should be condemned and punished. Those who buy cheap stuff from unknown vendors should not be surprised when it turns out to be stolen or junk. Elecraft sells USB to serial interface cables of known good quality. The real stuff usually does cost more than junk. Punishing unknowing customers -- and most will not know they bought items with these problems, since vendors of good repute occasionally make mistakes and most of us cannot track the source of each chip in a product -- is just plain wrong-headed of FTDI. May they suffer the consequences to their reputation. 73, Phil W7OX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Don. I was aware of the issue with Prolific counterfeits. I probably have at least two of those, including one I bought as genuine for programming a TYT handheld (Baofeng cable). :-( AFAIK Prolific do not render the counterfeit device hardware inoperative. The counterfeits won't work with the current Prolific driver, but they will work with a much earlier driver that does not detect counterfeits. It's also essential to disable Windows Update for the driver. Another thing that Micro$oft have deliberately made obscure! FTDI have only very recently taken it one step further by actually disabling part of the internal ID in the counterfeit chip, but it would appear that they've shot themselves in the foot, because some genuine chips also got disabled and they've had to retract that driver. Also a pointless exercise because their system has already been reverse engineered, including their driver and is being manufactured more cheaply by the Chinese. I sympathise with both companies over protection of their intellectual property, but they've gone about it the wrong way. Certainly in the UK at least, I believe that FTDI's latest action is illegal. FTDI have no right to penalise the end user by breaking the device that they paid for, although it is possible to reverse the action, but most people won't know how. For either company to hit the end user is just downright lazy and cowardly. The general public will not know if they have a counterfeit or not and will lose faith in these companies. The only correct way to stop the trade is counterfeits is by due process of Law, by having copyright and patent laws upheld, instead of being lazy and fixing a driver. It looks like Elecraft are confirming what a lot of knowledgeable people have been saying and that is that even genuine Prolific devices are inferior to FTDI. Presuming that Elecraft have been selling genuine devices (I'm sure they have) they've not changed to FTDI because of a counterfeit/driver war, but because the Prolific devices have given them grief. The device that I've ordered is direct from FTDI in Scotland, so it's 99% certain it will be genuine and hopefully will work OK with the K3. It would be ironic if it also turned out to be a counterfeit! I would have been happy to purchase direct from Elecraft, but it would take over a week and I'd have to pay extra taxes to our government. :-( I'm just intrigued to know why the genuine Prolific devices are so troublesome? 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:43 AM To: G4GNX ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Alan, Yes, the FTDI chipset adapters are the recommended variety. To further confuse the issue with both Prolific and FTDI serial adapters, there are counterfeit adapters on the market. Those worked with few problems under Windows XP with the provided drivers, but both companies included code in the new drivers to detect those counterfeits and render them inoperative. The new drivers are downloaded as updates in Windows 7 and above. I do think that the number of counterfeit chipsets in the marketplace may be diminishing because of the manufacturers steps to protect their intellectual property, but it is a headache if you happen to have one. I did have one here that was a special cable for a handheld. I finally solved the problem by ordering an equivalent cable that connects to a real serial port or a working USB to serial adapter. It may be that you have one (or two) of those counterfeit chipsets - not saying for certain, but do be aware of that possibility. There is really nothing to setup in the K3 or K3Utility, but it is best that you set the baud rate for both at 38400 - K3 menu CONFIG:RS232. K3 Utility will scan for different baud rates if necessary. 73, Don W3FP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I've changed all my devices to Moxa's or Lantronix devices, that way I don't have to worry about not having the ports installed on my desktop or laptop. These are RS232 over IP devices. Mike va3mw On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:17 AM, W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to va...@portcredit.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I want to use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I get the interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my rotator controller. I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion. 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: W2BLC Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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That might work for me in conjunction with real RS232 ports. Then I could perhaps control from my Nexus tablet and Android phone. I guess there's always the Pigknob stuff, but the hardware does seem rather expensive. FWIW I'm about to dump the Prolific (maybe counterfeit) hardware altogether except for the Baofeng cable which works fine with my laptop. The reason being that whilst I was experimenting yesterday, installing one of the Prolific drivers crashed the PC into a BSOD and even though I was using a different piece of hardware to attempt to control my UPS, it still crashed u7nexpectedly when I was using it for something unrelated. I've now uninstalled the Prolific driver completely and I'm performing a ReImage repair to ensure stability. The PC has been stable for two years since I built it, so I take drastic action when something like this happens. :-) I also discovered that when I was attempting to get the device to talk to the K3, although I was getting conflicting reports, some communication must have taken place because when I switched the K3 on today, I saw two error messages which were caused by c0onfig changes that I did not make (2 modules classed as installed but not actually present) and the K3 now has my callsign on the startup message. The ONLY way that could have got there is via the RS232 port. I just have to be patient and wait for the FTDI cable to arrive, which I can use on at least a temporary basis to ensure that the config is 100% and save it as a file. 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: Michael Walker Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:48 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface I've changed all my devices to Moxa's or Lantronix devices, that way I don't have to worry about not having the ports installed on my desktop or laptop. These are RS232 over IP devices. Mike va3mw __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I'm with you, Alan. I keep a 10 laptop at my operating position so I can see the rig over it There is a desktop Win 7 machine nearby but I don't yet interface it with my rigs. Phil W7OX On 10/25/2014 11:02, G4GNX wrote: Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I want to use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I get the interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my rotator controller. I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion. 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: W2BLC Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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They make real serial ports on PCMCIA and whatever the new expansion slot-standard is called. 73 -- Lynn On 10/25/2014 11:02 AM, G4GNX wrote: Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I want to use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I get the interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my rotator controller. I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion. 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: W2BLC Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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That's the advantage of switching to the Moxa's. All you need is a device that connects to your Lan like any laptop. Mike va3mw On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com wrote: They make real serial ports on PCMCIA and whatever the new expansion slot-standard is called. 73 -- Lynn On 10/25/2014 11:02 AM, G4GNX wrote: Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I want to use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I get the interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my rotator controller. I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion. 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: W2BLC Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to va...@portcredit.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 10/25/2014 11:29 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: They make real serial ports on PCMCIA and whatever the new expansion slot-standard is called. Yes, and I've been using Quatech 2-port cards for at least ten years with T2x, T4x, and T6x-series Thinkpads. The problem is that newer laptops don't have slots for these cards, hence the need for USB to RS232 converters. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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My impression is that PCMCIA aka PC Card, I think, went away some years ago. None of my three laptops has that feature. Phil W7OX On 10/25/14 11:29 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: They make real serial ports on PCMCIA and whatever the new expansion slot-standard is called. 73 -- Lynn On 10/25/2014 11:02 AM, G4GNX wrote: Sounds like a good idea for a tower/desktop PC but unfortunately I want to use a small notebook, which I use for logging and if/when I get the interface working, I can use it to connect to the K3 and my rotator controller. I may consider it for one of my towers. Thanks for the suggestion. 73, Alan. G4GNX -Original Message- From: W2BLC Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:17 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 interface Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Using an old Prolific here still. No known issues to date. Interedtingly, using teo FTDI cabled i get interference so placed them in the junk cable box. One came from Elecraft and the other from ebay. I can easily accept a counterfeit from ebay but the Elecraft supplied cable was annoying to say the least. Manufacturers changing drivers and penalizing end users is more than lazy to my way of thinkingbut what would i know? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 26/10/2014 1:49 AM, Michael Walker va...@portcredit.net wrote: I've changed all my devices to Moxa's or Lantronix devices, that way I don't have to worry about not having the ports installed on my desktop or laptop. These are RS232 over IP devices. Mike va3mw On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:17 AM, W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Perhaps the best bet is to install real serial ports - I have two. One for the K3 and the other for my TS480. As I recall, I paid about $20 for the board - a long time ago. It has been in several computers. To me, the place for the adapter is inside the K3 - that way everyone gets the same thing to work with and Elecraft will assure it works properly from git go. No more screwing around with real/counterfeit/bogus products and drivers - just a single source that works for sure. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to va...@portcredit.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] RS232 interface
I just got round to trying to interface my K3 to a PC. I starred off with 2 different Prolific USB/RS232 cables, but although they both showed up as correctly installed drivers. I tried running the K3 Utility but although it did seem to communicate once when I tried “Check communication”, but refuses to exchange data and gives “Not read EEPROM” errors. That said, the same cables will not communicate with my Power Chute UPS, so I’m assuming that there is a levels problem with the Prolific cables? Can anyone confirm this. I have now ordered a genuine FTDI cable, as that’s the recommendation by Elecraft. I presume that there’s nothing to setup in the K3 and K3/Utility communication is automatic. 73, Alan. G4GNX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Alan, Yes, the FTDI chipset adapters are the recommended variety. To further confuse the issue with both Prolific and FTDI serial adapters, there are counterfeit adapters on the market. Those worked with few problems under Windows XP with the provided drivers, but both companies included code in the new drivers to detect those counterfeits and render them inoperative. The new drivers are downloaded as updates in Windows 7 and above. I do think that the number of counterfeit chipsets in the marketplace may be diminishing because of the manufacturers steps to protect their intellectual property, but it is a headache if you happen to have one. I did have one here that was a special cable for a handheld. I finally solved the problem by ordering an equivalent cable that connects to a real serial port or a working USB to serial adapter. It may be that you have one (or two) of those counterfeit chipsets - not saying for certain, but do be aware of that possibility. There is really nothing to setup in the K3 or K3Utility, but it is best that you set the baud rate for both at 38400 - K3 menu CONFIG:RS232. K3 Utility will scan for different baud rates if necessary. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/24/2014 10:11 PM, G4GNX wrote: I just got round to trying to interface my K3 to a PC. I starred off with 2 different Prolific USB/RS232 cables, but although they both showed up as correctly installed drivers. I tried running the K3 Utility but although it did seem to communicate once when I tried “Check communication”, but refuses to exchange data and gives “Not read EEPROM” errors. That said, the same cables will not communicate with my Power Chute UPS, so I’m assuming that there is a levels problem with the Prolific cables? Can anyone confirm this. I have now ordered a genuine FTDI cable, as that’s the recommendation by Elecraft. I presume that there’s nothing to setup in the K3 and K3/Utility communication is automatic. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
