Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query [END of Thread]
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
We will be providing K3's programmed for specific markets (such as Thailand) with TX limitations when required. In the U.S. though, I believe there are no FCC TX limits under part 97. As a matter of policy though we do block 100w transmit in the U.S. CB band. 73, Eric WA6HHQ http://www.elecraft.com P.S. One of our most important list guidelines is to keep everything cordial on and -off- the list. Please keep this in mind when posting. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query (END of thread, please)
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
Charles Harpole wrote: Julian, it is better for you to know these facts prior to your expressing an opinion that could be construed as simple minded, or just uninformed. Better luck next time, 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Goodness, aren't we rude? --- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QRPariahs/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query: clarification (and, please, end of thread)
On 6/5/07, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know it sounds exactly opposite to the purpose of the feature, but will it be possible to change the frequency limits- i.e. if I want to take my K3 on a trip to somewhere with restrictive rules? Perhaps a special firmware download? Perhaps the kit-built ones could be left to the builders to define the limits - or not - since if they can manage to build the thing they should know how to operate it. -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query: clarification (and, please, end of thread)
I know it sounds exactly opposite to the purpose of the feature, but will it be possible to change the frequency limits- i.e. if I want to take my K3 on a trip to somewhere with restrictive rules? Perhaps a special firmware download? 73, doug Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:06:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Thom LaCosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, wayne burdick wrote: > Any constraints on frequency ranges will be *individually* applied to K3s > based on the country they're going to. No rules from one country will be > applied to that of another. Dang it Wayneyou guys are just too reasonable and show too much common sense. I guess not changing the logo or offering different case colors are the buggy-whip, immutable conditions. Thom,EIEIO k3hrn Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query: clarification (and, please, end of thread)
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, wayne burdick wrote: Any constraints on frequency ranges will be *individually* applied to K3s based on the country they're going to. No rules from one country will be applied to that of another. Dang it Wayneyou guys are just too reasonable and show too much common sense. I guess not changing the logo or offering different case colors are the buggy-whip, immutable conditions. Thom,EIEIO k3hrn Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
On Jun 5, 2007, at 8:45 AM, John GM4SLV wrote: Unfortunately the nannyless situation you find yourself in applies only to the more fortunate countries. I'm presuming that HS has enough attractions to make up for its poor treatment of amateur radio, otherwise you wouldn't be there... ... Hang on...didn't you say that HS didn't have 6m or the WARC bands? Then how are you going to get your K3s into the country, whether they transmit out of band or not? I agree, we should be able to make our radios do whatever we want them to do. That being said, many countries have regulations that limit what a radio may do in order to be approved for sale in that country. The easy solution is to put the limits in software so that the radio passes the regulatory requirements but allows the technically-savvy owner to make it do what they want it to. (wink- wink, nudge-nudge) 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query: clarification (and, please, end of thread)
Any constraints on frequency ranges will be *individually* applied to K3s based on the country they're going to. No rules from one country will be applied to that of another. We'll allow transmit out of ham bands -- at some power level -- to the extent allowed by law. That's all I can say on this topic right now. Any further information will be placed in the FAQ as it becomes available. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
John, u and others are vy fortunate to live where citizens' voices are often heard by their governments. Wake up and know about the rest of the world. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play nowit's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > Unfortunately the nannyless situation you find yourself in applies only to the > more fortunate countries. I'm presuming that HS has enough attractions to make up for its poor treatment of amateur radio, otherwise you wouldn't be there... I don't see why the conditions imposed on you by the government you've chosen to live under should determine how a piece of equipment I might choose to use should function. This is a technical hobby, not an appliance operators pastime... Are you also saying that any multi-band commercially made rig should only cover the bands available to you in Thailand, on the off chance that you might want to import one? Hang on...didn't you say that HS didn't have 6m or the WARC bands? Then how are you going to get your K3s into the country, whether they transmit out of band or not? I'm confused! I'm with Julian with this one - I have the knowledge and ability to ensure I stay within the terms of my licence and don't need the radio to do it for me. I'd rather have the utility of wide range TX coverage for the myriad of uses it can be put to (legally) using my techical abilities. John GM4SLV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Unfortunately the nannyless situation you find yourself in applies only to the more fortunate countries. I sympathise with your situation. I'd be more sympathetic if your friend Charles hadn't written to me off-list calling me uninformed and simple-minded for expressing my opinion. These band limits may be necessary in your part of the world but they are not in ours and I don't see why we should have to be saddled with it. We pass exams to demonstrate competence to operate and even build our own radios and it is absurd that we can not be trusted not to operate out of band when using commercial equipment (of course, no such controls over home-brew.) The fact that some governments enforce such absurdity reflects only on the stupidity of governments, not the validity of my argument. -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
Hi, Unfortunately the nannyless situation you find yourself in applies only to the more fortunate countries. Their are many countries where we, all of us, would like to promote amateur radio , which are controlled by rules and regulations vastly different to those countries whose amateur populations have been the backbone of the hobby for so long. Thailand, HS, where both I and the OP live is one such country, please ponder this. Our only access 160 and 80 is the bottom few tens of KHz and then only during 'international contests', we have no WARC band access at all despite the 10, 18 and 24 MHz bands being reserved for amateur radio heresince the 1980's. The increase of 40m from 100KHz to 200KHz as occurred in many countries and as was agreed to by HS when it was voted on has not even been slated for approval. 6 meters is currently not on the horizon of the most far thinking people here, UHF transmitters are not allowed, there are no microwave bands. The authority here 'sells' voice channels in the internationally agreed, but shared 80 meter band. Every single radio that is brought into the country requires first an import licence which must show, based on its specifications that it meets the rules of the country, every single radio that is granted an import licence must physically be taken to the offices of the regulatory body where it is tested for compliance. This is not by model, this is every specimen. Ownership of RF components without an appropriate permit is an offence. Communication equipment is regulated in the same way as firearms. This may not be good but we do try to make it work and we do try to change things. The last changes to amateur regulations here was more than 25 years ago. We desperately need companies like Elecraft, only they will listen to our requirements and help out. This was done some years ago with the K2. Even if we had the money, and some of us do, we cannot buy other manufacturers top line rigs, today almost all rigs, unless they remove 50MHz and provide documentation to that effect. Which companies do you think might be willing to do that. The original request was made because as a first start we need to get an import licence for the K3. Charles has already ordered his, he's our guinea pig, there are three or four more waiting in the wings, but we have to ensure we don't get it refused at the first hurdle by it covering frequencies that are not allowed. Regards Martin, HS0ZED, G4UQF Quoting Julian G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 6/5/07, wayne burdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This may vary by country, Charles, but in general we'll cover exactly > > the legal bands of operation, down to the nearest Hz. > > Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, > as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to > remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause > frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of > years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when > you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band > used as the IF. > > 73, > -- > Julian, G4ILO > G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com > K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
The country of my residence, Thailand, requires all transmitters (except cel telephones) to be registered upon importation. The Thai equiv. of FCC will not approve a transmitter that transmitts out of the now-existing ham bands and NOT ON SIX METERS NOR ON SIXTY METERS AT ALL. If the transmitter, as manufactured, covers, say 6.970 to 7.5, it is likely not to pass for being imported into this country. Julian, it is better for you to know these facts prior to your expressing an opinion that could be construed as simple minded, or just uninformed. Better luck next time, 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Julian G4ILO wrote: Do hams really need a digital nanny to > remind them where the bands start and end? I think you'd be surprised. In that vein, I wonder what our FCC regs say about manufacturers of Ham equipment selling rigs that are "opened up" by default, and not the usual 100KHz high or low? - -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGZVYi11jxjloa2wsRArDUAJ9xJYAGO1I5OZtGcbi0BZDr+MwQxwCgqeZT ECxpNlmNkeklkxpJg2//Dtw= =HtIM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
Hi David, > There's not much amateur radio activity outside the amateur radio bands > (:o] True enough, but when using transverters the target band may well be wider than the shortwave "IF" band. I, for example, would like to be able to use 31 to 41MHz as a 10MHz wide IF. Good for 70cm in DL and no conflicts with stations on 10m. Also, a good transceiver can be used as a poor man's signal generator. I wouldn't mind too much if Elecraft reduced power to say 10dBm outside of the regular shotwave bands. vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
There's not much amateur radio activity outside the amateur radio bands (:o] David G3UNA > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2007/06/05 Tue AM 10:01:59 BST > To: Julian G4ILO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query > > > Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, > > as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to > > remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause > > frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of > > years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when > > you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band > > used as the IF. > > I second this fully! > > However some countries may require the "digital nanny"... > > vy 73 de toby > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
> Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, > as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to > remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause > frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of > years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when > you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band > used as the IF. I second this fully! However some countries may require the "digital nanny"... vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
I agree with Julian - this could be programmed by the user, maybe via some nice CAT commands. An advantage would be restricting a remote-controlled K3 from transmitting on bands where the antenna doesn't work / causes TVI / interferes with the beer dispenser. Those of us outside the FCC's control are allowed to think for ourselves, please don't tie us down too much :-) Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: "Julian G4ILO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band used as the IF. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
On 6/5/07, wayne burdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This may vary by country, Charles, but in general we'll cover exactly the legal bands of operation, down to the nearest Hz. Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band used as the IF. 73, -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
This may vary by country, Charles, but in general we'll cover exactly the legal bands of operation, down to the nearest Hz. I don't have the list in front of me, but it's probably available at arrl.org. It'll be in the FAQ later. There's a question about whether to allow out-of-band operation at reduced power (like the K2), and how to enable MARS band operation, etc. These issues are not settled, but they too will be covered in the FAQ. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jun 4, 2007, at 8:02 PM, Charles Harpole wrote: I need a list of the exact beginning and ending TRANSMIT frequencies of each band of the K3. Example. 40 meters is 7.000 to 7.3000 --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
