Re: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber
And with that, let's close this thread. Its a bit too far OT. Must be a slow HF propagation day! ;-) 73 Eric Your moderator, really! /elecraft.com/ On 8/12/2016 11:42 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: A fun retrospective, Jim -- except for the corn part! Phil W7OX On 8/11/16 10:29 AM, Jim Brown wrote: Indeed the finished dimension of lumber HAS changed. Renovating the wood frame home I owned in Chicago, built around the turn of the century, after the Great Chicago Fire, I found REAL 2" x 4" and 2" x 6" lumber. I also removed at least 100 ft of gas pipe used for lighting. When first wired for electricity, wiring was run through those pipes and light fixtures replaced the gas lights. Obviously, they were first disconnected from the gas line, which was still used for heat. :) Another thing that's changed is the sweet corn that we can buy in the market -- it's now much sweeter with little real corn taste. As long as I've been eating it, corn was always hybridized for taste, but it always tasted like corn. What we get now is hybridized and genetically engineered stuff that resists the chemicals used to kill weeds. It looks like corn, but tastes like a sugar bowl. Small farmers used to harvest their own seeds to plant next year's crop, and to grow corn that tasted the way they and their customers wanted. But when that chemical resistant stuff was invented something like 10 years ago, Monsanto, the big seed company that invented it, sued those farmers, claiming that some of their patented stuff had cross-fertilized those corn plants, and within a few years, that phony corn is all we can buy. I used to buy a half dozen ears, steam them, and eat them for lunch. I haven't been able to do that for years. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more like 3½ X 1½ which hasn't changed. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric.swa...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber
A fun retrospective, Jim -- except for the corn part! Phil W7OX On 8/11/16 10:29 AM, Jim Brown wrote: Indeed the finished dimension of lumber HAS changed. Renovating the wood frame home I owned in Chicago, built around the turn of the century, after the Great Chicago Fire, I found REAL 2" x 4" and 2" x 6" lumber. I also removed at least 100 ft of gas pipe used for lighting. When first wired for electricity, wiring was run through those pipes and light fixtures replaced the gas lights. Obviously, they were first disconnected from the gas line, which was still used for heat. :) Another thing that's changed is the sweet corn that we can buy in the market -- it's now much sweeter with little real corn taste. As long as I've been eating it, corn was always hybridized for taste, but it always tasted like corn. What we get now is hybridized and genetically engineered stuff that resists the chemicals used to kill weeds. It looks like corn, but tastes like a sugar bowl. Small farmers used to harvest their own seeds to plant next year's crop, and to grow corn that tasted the way they and their customers wanted. But when that chemical resistant stuff was invented something like 10 years ago, Monsanto, the big seed company that invented it, sued those farmers, claiming that some of their patented stuff had cross-fertilized those corn plants, and within a few years, that phony corn is all we can buy. I used to buy a half dozen ears, steam them, and eat them for lunch. I haven't been able to do that for years. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more like 3½ X 1½ which hasn't changed. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber
Even planed lumber has changed. WW2 era planed 2x4 was 2 3/4 x 1 3/4. It changed sometime in the late 40s. Renovators should be equipped with a tape and measure before buying lumber. From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:29 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber Indeed the finished dimension of lumber HAS changed. Renovating the wood frame home I owned in Chicago, built around the turn of the century, after the Great Chicago Fire, I found REAL 2" x 4" and 2" x 6" lumber. I also removed at least 100 ft of gas pipe used for lighting. When first wired for electricity, wiring was run through those pipes and light fixtures replaced the gas lights. Obviously, they were first disconnected from the gas line, which was still used for heat. :) Another thing that's changed is the sweet corn that we can buy in the market -- it's now much sweeter with little real corn taste. As long as I've been eating it, corn was always hybridized for taste, but it always tasted like corn. What we get now is hybridized and genetically engineered stuff that resists the chemicals used to kill weeds. It looks like corn, but tastes like a sugar bowl. Small farmers used to harvest their own seeds to plant next year's crop, and to grow corn that tasted the way they and their customers wanted. But when that chemical resistant stuff was invented something like 10 years ago, Monsanto, the big seed company that invented it, sued those farmers, claiming that some of their patented stuff had cross-fertilized those corn plants, and within a few years, that phony corn is all we can buy. I used to buy a half dozen ears, steam them, and eat them for lunch. I haven't been able to do that for years. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber > is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more > like 3½ X 1½ which hasn't changed. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber
Indeed the finished dimension of lumber HAS changed. Renovating the wood frame home I owned in Chicago, built around the turn of the century, after the Great Chicago Fire, I found REAL 2" x 4" and 2" x 6" lumber. I also removed at least 100 ft of gas pipe used for lighting. When first wired for electricity, wiring was run through those pipes and light fixtures replaced the gas lights. Obviously, they were first disconnected from the gas line, which was still used for heat. :) Another thing that's changed is the sweet corn that we can buy in the market -- it's now much sweeter with little real corn taste. As long as I've been eating it, corn was always hybridized for taste, but it always tasted like corn. What we get now is hybridized and genetically engineered stuff that resists the chemicals used to kill weeds. It looks like corn, but tastes like a sugar bowl. Small farmers used to harvest their own seeds to plant next year's crop, and to grow corn that tasted the way they and their customers wanted. But when that chemical resistant stuff was invented something like 10 years ago, Monsanto, the big seed company that invented it, sued those farmers, claiming that some of their patented stuff had cross-fertilized those corn plants, and within a few years, that phony corn is all we can buy. I used to buy a half dozen ears, steam them, and eat them for lunch. I haven't been able to do that for years. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more like 3½ X 1½ which hasn't changed. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
