Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-25 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Or, in the case of G - Foundation license allows 10w, Intermediate 50w, Full 
400w.

And Foundation license holders may build a recognised kit - so the KX3 will be 
just ideal for these guys to get started on HF and then add the PA when they 
get Intermediate and run it at 50w. When they get Full licence, they can crank 
it up to 100w and get even more enjoyment.

They may never go above 100w. Over here, we are so 'cramped' that many of us 
just couldn't run 400w without our neighbours complaining. I run 100w and may 
not be breaking pileups, but with 100w on SSB, I worked VK on 20m @ 22:35z on 
5-May! - now that really felt like something at that time with these conditions.

I have a friend runs 5w QRP CW and works more slots than anyone else I know and 
a lot more than a good many people I don't.

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???
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On 20 May 2011, at 17:03, Merv Schweigert wrote:

 Not enough power and way too many bucks.
 
 On another subject,  why do you guys all buy QRP, limited
 function radios and then wish to add a 100 watt amp?
 
 And another subject,  no one has commented on the thread that
 was going on about improving the DSP NR etc for the K3,  and
 the fact that the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip??   Leaves the K3 owners kinda out to dry dont it?
 Kinda the stuff that we always criticize YeaComWood for doing
 when a new model came out and the old one could not be
 updated?   Or is a K4 around?
 
 
 Just asking,  Merv  K9FD/KH6

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-22 Thread pd0psb
I'm speechless.

This just IS the ultimate ham rig.

I want one :-)

73
Paul
PD0PSB

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-22 Thread Oliver Dröse
It isn't! At least 2 m is missing. :-((

But anyway a nice rig and competitor to the IC-703 (not to the FT-817 as 
VHF/UHF is missing, see above, that makes it very attractive in Europe with 
lots of VHF activity).

73, Olli - DH8BQA



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 I'm speechless.

 This just IS the ultimate ham rig.

 I want one :-)

 73
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-22 Thread Julian, G4ILO

Oliver Dröse wrote:
 
 It isn't! At least 2 m is missing. :-((
 
 
 
Yes, I have to agree. Is it too late for provision to be made in the design
for a 5W (at least) internal 2m transverter module? I think there are a lot
of people for whom this would make a big difference to the eventual purchase
decision.

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-22 Thread Buck - k4ia
Wayne mentioned the possibility of a low power 2 meter module in the KX3.

Stay tuned - there is lots more to come.

Buck
k4ia


On 5/22/2011 6:54 AM, Julian, G4ILO wrote:
 Oliver Dröse wrote:
 It isn't! At least 2 m is missing. :-((



 Yes, I have to agree. Is it too late for provision to be made in the design
 for a 5W (at least) internal 2m transverter module? I think there are a lot
 of people for whom this would make a big difference to the eventual purchase
 decision.

 -
 Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
 * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
 * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
 * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-21 Thread Maarten van Rossum
Wayne, Eric and the rest of the Elecraft crew, congratulations on your great
new transceiver.
The new KX3 looks really neat and it has a couple of very nice features. The
Dual watch is a feature I would really love to see on my K3 because I don't
have a second receiver.
Since there is a optional second receiver available for the K3 it will
probably not be available for the K3.
Now, I'm not a technical person but I'm just wandering if a feature like
dual watch can be added to a K3 by a software update at all?

...A man can dream can't he? ;-)
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-21 Thread Edward R. Cole
Why does everyone assume the K3 will be obsoleted by hardware?  The 
core of the K3 is a SDR which has continued to evolve with firmware 
upgrades.  I would not count out the possibility of further 
improvement in the DSP sw.

In time the basic processor will become obsolete.  So maybe a replace 
cpu board could be done?

Of course Elecraft might decide to abandon the K3 with an 
introduction of a K4, but they still make the K2 and KX1.  What does 
that tell you?  I think the Elecraft folks pride themselves in not 
abandoning their customers.

73, Ed - KL7UW
BTW nicely done on the KX3!  If it had 2m I could consider it 
replacing my FT-817, but it would have to be embedded inside the KX3.

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On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Merv Schweigert k...@flex.com wrote:

  ...the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
  better chip...


Maybe there'll be a retrofit for the K3.

Tony KT0NY





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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
The KX3's DSP was selected primarily for its low power consumption. The use of 
this DSP in the KX3 has no effect on K3 DSP firmware development, which is 
ongoing. Just ask Lyle :)

Wayne
N6KR


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On May 21, 2011, at 4:07 AM, Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net wrote:

 Why does everyone assume the K3 will be obsoleted by hardware?  The 
 core of the K3 is a SDR which has continued to evolve with firmware 
 upgrades.  I would not count out the possibility of further 
 improvement in the DSP sw.
 
 In time the basic processor will become obsolete.  So maybe a replace 
 cpu board could be done?
 
 Of course Elecraft might decide to abandon the K3 with an 
 introduction of a K4, but they still make the K2 and KX1.  What does 
 that tell you?  I think the Elecraft folks pride themselves in not 
 abandoning their customers.
 
 73, Ed - KL7UW
 BTW nicely done on the KX3!  If it had 2m I could consider it 
 replacing my FT-817, but it would have to be embedded inside the KX3.
 
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 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Merv Schweigert k...@flex.com wrote:
 
 ...the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip...
 
 
 Maybe there'll be a retrofit for the K3.
 
 Tony KT0NY
 
 
 
 
 
 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-21 Thread Merv Schweigert


 Doesn't your speculation presume that all the noise reduction
 functionality IS IN HARDWARE?  Last I looked at the K3 functionality,
 all the NR is in PROGRAM CODE, not burned into hardware chips.
Nope not at all Guy,  one thing if you program any at all you will find 
is you cannot speed up a
chip or increase its capability with programming.  If your out of speed 
and memory there is
nothing in programming you can do about it,  time to upgrade to a newer 
faster chip, so its
a handshake between programming and the hardwares capability.

   Go
 read the schematic.  And since Wayne has been good about keeping up K3
 firmware, why would he code something new in the KX3 and not use the
 code and/or concept in the K3 to extend the product life?  I smell
 analog thinking.

No analog thinking at all,  your are wrong.  why would they do in a KX3 
what cannot be updgraded
to a K3?  Because a K4 is on the line for one thing,  and another could 
be to keep the company going,
your going to have to buy a new radio every few years if you want E to 
continue.   Every product has to have a limit and
life end.  They will continue to upgrade the K3 as much as possible I 
am sure and support it,
but newer and better has to come along and sales have to continue.
And better cheaper chips come along, why not use them?  Whats wrong with 
that?
 Possibly if it does do something because more processing power is
 available, that's progress in the electronics industry, not some evil
 Elecraft conspiracy.  AND retrofitting a newer CPU in existing
 equipment is extremely expensive.  Upgraded circuit board, TWO paths
 of firmware development instead of one, etc, etc.

You hit the nail on the head,  expensive to upgrade,  that will be the 
limiting factor with
continued K3 updgrades,  thats why I referred to a K4 and was asking if 
the newer chips
etc were not a preview of things to come in another radio.
Who said Elecraft was Evil??  you sure surmise a lot of things that are 
not said at all,
I have never had a better company to deal with,  I have no gripes at all.

I am not anxious to see my K3 go to the second best pile I guess,  if 
the K4 comes along and
is better than my K3 that means I must buy another radio or settle for 
second best.
If your a person who finally bit the bullet and bought a new K3 
yesterday,  and today they
announcement comes out for a much improved K4,  are you a happy camper??
But thats life.
There are small bugs in the K3 I would like to see improved but afraid 
some are in hardware
(not analog) that cannot be addressed at a cost that is bearable,  the 
software ones can be
addressed to some extent,  if the hardware is capable of the speed and 
memory requirements.
I am sure they will do what is possible for the money involved to keep 
the K3 going and
up to date.  The K3 is reaching the edge of the hardwares capability 
in a couple areas and
I think its time for a K4 with increased speed in the chips and 
horsepower to overcome
some of these problems.
 Be careful when you compare Wayne to Yakencom.  He REALLY does not
 deserve that.


Oh come on Guy,  are you the overseer of Elecraft?  the moderator of the 
list?  are you
going to send a couple of hit men from the east coast out here to find 
me?  Dont threaten
me with be careful,   if anything I said offended Wayne he is certainly 
grown up and can
defend himself,  I have nothing but respect for him and the company, if 
not I would not
own their product,  go sit down and have another glass of Kool Aide and 
Kool off.
Dont send any hit men out here please,  we dont need any more shark 
bait,  thats where
they would end up.
73 Merv

 73, Guy.

 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Merv Schweigertk...@flex.com  wrote:

 And another subject,  no one has commented on the thread that
 was going on about improving the DSP NR etc for the K3,  and
 the fact that the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip??   Leaves the K3 owners kinda out to dry dont it?
 Kinda the stuff that we always criticize YeaComWood for doing
 when a new model came out and the old one could not be
 updated?   Or is a K4 around?


 Just asking,  Merv  K9FD/KH6


  
 Just not enough power.

 --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Phil Hystadphys...@mac.comwrote:



 From: Phil Hystadphys...@mac.com

  

 Wes,

 Add a KPA500 to your setup.  It gives you all you ask
 for: easier (aka quicker) band switching, very simple
 display (interpret as nicer), FET finals, and definitely
 enough weight.

 73, phil, K7PEH

  
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-21 Thread Merv Schweigert
Thanks Wayne,   cleared that up fast,  I read into the release info more 
than what was
there,  sorry if I caused any confusion on that end.   Sure stirred up 
the die hards
at least.   73 Merv
 The KX3's DSP was selected primarily for its low power consumption. The use 
 of this DSP in the KX3 has no effect on K3 DSP firmware development, which is 
 ongoing. Just ask Lyle :)

 Wayne
 N6KR

 
 http://www.elecraft.com

 On May 21, 2011, at 4:07 AM, Edward R. Colekl...@acsalaska.net  wrote:


 Why does everyone assume the K3 will be obsoleted by hardware?  The
 core of the K3 is a SDR which has continued to evolve with firmware
 upgrades.  I would not count out the possibility of further
 improvement in the DSP sw.

 In time the basic processor will become obsolete.  So maybe a replace
 cpu board could be done?

 Of course Elecraft might decide to abandon the K3 with an
 introduction of a K4, but they still make the K2 and KX1.  What does
 that tell you?  I think the Elecraft folks pride themselves in not
 abandoning their customers.

 73, Ed - KL7UW
 BTW nicely done on the KX3!  If it had 2m I could consider it
 replacing my FT-817, but it would have to be embedded inside the KX3.

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 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Merv Schweigertk...@flex.com  wrote:

  
 ...the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip...


 Maybe there'll be a retrofit for the K3.

 Tony KT0NY





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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-21 Thread JonKG6VDW
Hi Wayne,

All I can say is WOW !  This is what happens when people who love what
they do do what they love   More Companies need to figure this out
again.  You and your company are building the radios that we all wish we
could build ourselves.  I personally will continue building my own versions
of what you guys are doing just for the educational value.  By experimenting
with my own projects and using yours as a benchmark it really allows me to
appreciate what really goes into a really great product.  It also makes me
realize that no one person has all the skills necessary to make what is
really a functional work of art such as what you and your Company produce.  
So even though I build some of my own stuff,  I will continue working extra
hours so that I can purchase your incredible products !  Congratulations
to You, Eric, Lyle and all the rest of your hard working staff members. It
really takes a great team to do what you guys have managed to accomplish.  
I sense another incredibly successful product launch coming our way yet once
again.  And I am proud to be here witnessing history unfold.  

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-21 Thread Fred Jensen
I bought my K3 [#642] because I liked its performance and feature set 
and I like Elecraft, I already had a K2/100 and KX1.  None of the K3 
features and performance goes away when a KX3 or K4 hits the market. 
Everything gets improved [although a lot of things billed as 
improvements aren't always so ... Windoze Me/Vista? :-)].  My KPA500 
is on order, I want QSK at 500W.  I've been running my old KW at 500W 
just to see if it matters.  It likely does to some, but not me.  A 
KPA1500, if there ever is one, isn't going to change that.

My phone is a year old and is so hopelessly obsolete my grandsons don't 
even try and suppress their laughter when Grandpa gets it out.  It makes 
and receives telephone calls however, which is what I got it for. 
Frankly, I don't care what pile my K3 ends up in, it does what I want 
and will continue to do so.

Has a K4 really been announced or is everyone just making this up?

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 5/21/2011 9:59 AM, Merv Schweigert wrote:

 I am not anxious to see my K3 go to the second best pile I guess,
 if the K4 comes along and is better than my K3 that means I must buy
 another radio or settle for second best.
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[Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-21 Thread Hector Padron
Hi Wayne,Eric and other Elecraft members:
It was a great pleasure to meet you in person yesterday and today again at your 
table.
As usual, anytime I go to see your presentations I feel prouder to be an 
Elecraft K3 user,you guys has worked hard to please all of us the users and to 
make high performance radios to compete with the asian market.That new 
project,the KX3 or mini K3 at 10W level I am sure will be a big seller.It look 
cute and I am sure it will perform better than all other QRP's on the market,I 
wish you good sucess on the marketing of that new product,73
 
AD4C
Your loyal customer.

If freedom means something,it is the right to tell others what they don't want 
to hear –George Orwell

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From: JonKG6VDW jmood...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 6:04 PM


Hi Wayne,

All I can say is WOW !  This is what happens when people who love what
they do do what they love   More Companies need to figure this out
again.  You and your company are building the radios that we all wish we
could build ourselves.  I personally will continue building my own versions
of what you guys are doing just for the educational value.  By experimenting
with my own projects and using yours as a benchmark it really allows me to
appreciate what really goes into a really great product.  It also makes me
realize that no one person has all the skills necessary to make what is
really a functional work of art such as what you and your Company produce.  
So even though I build some of my own stuff,  I will continue working extra
hours so that I can purchase your incredible products !  Congratulations
to You, Eric, Lyle and all the rest of your hard working staff members. It
really takes a great team to do what you guys have managed to accomplish.  
I sense another incredibly successful product launch coming our way yet once
again.  And I am proud to be here witnessing history unfold.  

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread vk8fqrp
G'day All,

I have managed to remain awake awaiting more info from Dayton!! 

Anyone in Dayton have some further info or pics??!

Regards

Brendon

VK8FQRP

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Merv Schweigert
Not enough power and way too many bucks.

On another subject,  why do you guys all buy QRP, limited
function radios and then wish to add a 100 watt amp?

And another subject,  no one has commented on the thread that
was going on about improving the DSP NR etc for the K3,  and
the fact that the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
better chip??   Leaves the K3 owners kinda out to dry dont it?
Kinda the stuff that we always criticize YeaComWood for doing
when a new model came out and the old one could not be
updated?   Or is a K4 around?


Just asking,  Merv  K9FD/KH6


 Just not enough power.

 --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Phil Hystadphys...@mac.com  wrote:


 From: Phil Hystadphys...@mac.com
  

 Wes,

 Add a KPA500 to your setup.  It gives you all you ask
 for: easier (aka quicker) band switching, very simple
 display (interpret as nicer), FET finals, and definitely
 enough weight.

 73, phil, K7PEH
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Wayne Conrad
On 05/20/11 09:03, Merv Schweigert wrote:
 On another subject,  why do you guys all buy QRP, limited
 function radios and then wish to add a 100 watt amp?

It's the easy-payment plan for full power.  Spend some now, some more later.

A QRP rig with an external amp can be a full-power base station _or_ a 
highly portable QRP rig.

73, Wayne Conrad (soaking in morse code for healthy skin)
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Julius Fazekas n2wn

Not enough power and way too many bucks.

Too much power... only want a max of 150 watts out (considered LP in some
contests);o)

On another subject,  why do you guys all buy QRP, limited
function radios and then wish to add a 100 watt amp?

Sometimes I run QRP, sometimes I run LP in contests... usually run LP when
chasing new ones, but not always.

And another subject,  no one has commented on the thread that
was going on about improving the DSP NR etc for the K3,  and
the fact that the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
better chip??   Leaves the K3 owners kinda out to dry dont it?
Kinda the stuff that we always criticize YeaComWood for doing
when a new model came out and the old one could not be
updated?   Or is a K4 around?


I won't feel left out with my K3s, same as I didn't feel left out with my
K2... The KX3 will have it's place. Until specifications are published and
verified, everything else is pure speculation. Don't think one could place
Elecraft in the same class as other manufacturers when it comes to upgrades,
or service. Elecraft IMHO is miles above the rest. They have always come
through for me quickly and without any fuss.

If they had stock, I'd buy!

Hope you're doing well Merv.

72/3,
Julius

Making a better tomorrow, tomorrow.

-
Julius Fazekas
N2WN

Tennessee Contest Group
http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html

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http://www.tnqp.org/

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Tony Estep
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Merv Schweigert k...@flex.com wrote:

 ...the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip...


Maybe there'll be a retrofit for the K3.

Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Tim Heasman
My thoughts exactly.

Tim gm4lmh

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 ...the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip...
 
 
 Maybe there'll be a retrofit for the K3.
 
 Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Edward Dickinson III
The K3 Noise Blanker is a good candidate.

 

 

73,

Dick - KA5KKT

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 ...the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer

 better chip...

 

 

 Maybe there'll be a retrofit for the K3.

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Bill W4ZV

Merv Schweigert wrote:
 
 And another subject,  no one has commented on the thread that
 was going on about improving the DSP NR etc for the K3,  and
 the fact that the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip??  
 

You may be reading too much into Lyle's actual words:

The microcontroller is like, but not the same as, the one in the K3. The
DSP is a new, 5th generation device designed for extremely low power
consumption, yet with performance exceeding that of the one in the K3.

Merv I believe Lyle is saying the DSP chip is new...not the firmware driving
it.  I believe the idea of the KX3 is to save development time and cost by
porting the K3's DSP firmware to the KX3's DSP.  The performance he refers
to may be speed (in addition to lower power consumption), but  I don't
believe speed is a limiting factor in the K3's present DSP (but I could be
wrong for timing issues such as QSK).  BTW both DSPs are 32 bit so there's
no difference there.

73,  Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Ken Alexander
--- On Fri, 5/20/11, Merv Schweigert k...@flex.com wrote:

 And another subject,  no one has commented on the thread that
 was going on about improving the DSP NR etc for the K3,  and
 the fact that the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip??   Leaves the K3 owners kinda out to dry dont it?

When you purchase technology you get what's available at the time.  The K3 is a 
snapshot of the best that was available when they designed it.  Same with the 
K3X.  Don't fault them for looking around and finding something better.  If the 
new DSP chip happens to be a pin-for-pin, drop-in replacement for the existing 
chip then maybe you'll get lucky.  We'll see.

 Kinda the stuff that we always criticize YeaComWood for doing
 when a new model came out and the old one could not be updated?   Or is a K4 
 around?

They probably don't deserve the criticism either.  If you bought a new Chevy 
with a 200 hp engine, and the next year they'd managed to tweak another 20 hp 
out of the same engine would you take your car back to the dealer and demand 
they replace the engine for you?

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

Contentedly working DX with the stone-age DSP in my K2.
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Wes Stewart
The post-filter amp and second mixer are much better candidates.  They are the 
weakest points in the whole radio. IMHO, of course :-)

Wes  N7WS

--- On Fri, 5/20/11, Edward Dickinson III softb...@windstream.net wrote:

 The K3 Noise Blanker is a good
 candidate.
 73,
 
 Dick - KA5KKT
 
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 My thoughts exactly.
 
  
 
 Tim gm4lmh
 
  
 
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 from Elecraft
 
  
 
  On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Merv Schweigert
 
 http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
 k9fd at flex.com wrote:
 
  
 
  ...the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and
 newer
 
  better chip...
 
  
 
  
 
  Maybe there'll be a retrofit for the K3.
 
  
 
  Tony KT0NY
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Tom KG3V
The KX3 really looks interesting. Any comments on the availability of a Kit,
and what level of assembly would be required/possible?

Thanks,

Tom, KG3V


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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Doug Person
The Official word that I got is that they hope to have it out by the 
end of the year.
Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/20/2011 6:55 PM, Tom KG3V wrote:
 The KX3 really looks interesting. Any comments on the availability of a Kit,
 and what level of assembly would be required/possible?

 Thanks,

 Tom, KG3V


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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Doesn't your speculation presume that all the noise reduction
functionality IS IN HARDWARE?  Last I looked at the K3 functionality,
all the NR is in PROGRAM CODE, not burned into hardware chips.  Go
read the schematic.  And since Wayne has been good about keeping up K3
firmware, why would he code something new in the KX3 and not use the
code and/or concept in the K3 to extend the product life?  I smell
analog thinking.

Possibly if it does do something because more processing power is
available, that's progress in the electronics industry, not some evil
Elecraft conspiracy.  AND retrofitting a newer CPU in existing
equipment is extremely expensive.  Upgraded circuit board, TWO paths
of firmware development instead of one, etc, etc.

Be careful when you compare Wayne to Yakencom.  He REALLY does not
deserve that.

73, Guy.

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Merv Schweigert k...@flex.com wrote:
 And another subject,  no one has commented on the thread that
 was going on about improving the DSP NR etc for the K3,  and
 the fact that the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
 better chip??   Leaves the K3 owners kinda out to dry dont it?
 Kinda the stuff that we always criticize YeaComWood for doing
 when a new model came out and the old one could not be
 updated?   Or is a K4 around?


 Just asking,  Merv  K9FD/KH6


 Just not enough power.

 --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Phil Hystadphys...@mac.com  wrote:


 From: Phil Hystadphys...@mac.com


 Wes,

 Add a KPA500 to your setup.  It gives you all you ask
 for: easier (aka quicker) band switching, very simple
 display (interpret as nicer), FET finals, and definitely
 enough weight.

 73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Direct Sampling ?

Congratulations!!

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


On May 19, 2011 6:43 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

 Totally different architecture than the K3, of course.


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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Alexey Kats
Only 150 mA? What do you use for DSP and micro-controller? Or do you do all
the work in the DSP itself? Also, what is the maximum current consumption
when 1:4 transformer is used? Must be significantly more than for 1:1 ratio.
(I am curious about CW mode - I assume it'd be running as a C or D mode, but
I could be wrong. Will its PA run in AB mode always, or will PA mode vary
depending on modulation?)

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

  Will it run for a whole contest on 8 AA cells at full power?

 Depends on the contest and the AA cells :)

 RX-mode current drain ~150 mA. Very efficient on TX, with dual-output-
 impedance 5W/10W PA.

 Wayne



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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Totally different product categories and size.

73, 
Eric  (Just waking up at Dayton and about to get super busy. We will be able to 
post more official info later this weekend or after Dayton.)

www.elecraft.com
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On May 18, 2011, at 11:29 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:

 Seems like a fast way to undercut sales of the K3 unless I misunderstand what 
 the KX3 is all about.
 
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Doug Person wrote:
 
 You're not kidding? For REAL?  When can I buy one??!!!???
 72, Doug -- K0DXV
 
 On 5/18/2011 9:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit
 DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.
 
 See it at Dayton!
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Rick Dettinger
At 44.0 cu in, the KX3 is just about mid way between the K1 and KX1.
Nice job.

73,
Rick Dettinger  K7MW


On May 18, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

 unless I misunderstand what the KX3 is all about.

 Ultraportable:

   1.5 lbs
   1.7x3.5x7.4
   KX1 form-factor
   internal battery pack  charger
   internal wide-range ATU
   new adjustable, attached keyer paddle

 ...and a K3-like front panel, including the same LCD.

 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Randy Moore
Can't wait to see it in Huntsville in August!!

Way to go, Wayne and Eric, and the rest of the team!!!

73,
Randy, KS4L
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Lyle Johnson
The microcontroller is like, but not the same as, the one in the K3. The 
DSP is a new, 5th generation device designed for extremely low power 
consumption, yet with performance exceeding that of the one in the K3.

And, of course, we played a few tricks :-)

73,

Lyle KK7P

 Only 150 mA? What do you use for DSP and micro-controller? Or do you do all
 the work in the DSP itself?

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Gordan Hribar
Hi,

The K4 was born, I think !!!




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The microcontroller is like, but not the same as, the one in the K3. The 
DSP is a new, 5th generation device designed for extremely low power 
consumption, yet with performance exceeding that of the one in the K3.

And, of course, we played a few tricks :-)

73,

Lyle KK7P

 Only 150 mA? What do you use for DSP and micro-controller? Or do you do all
 the work in the DSP itself?

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Alexander Sack
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:
 KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit
 DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.


SDR?  So does this have out of the box panadapter support?

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread John Harper
100 W+ with new high-performance external amp/ATU that works with most  
5W to 10W rigs.

Wayne



Will this external amp also work with Cletus's CB? He's been wanting a 
leen-yer...

Seriously, I always thought there was some FCC mandate against producing an 
HF-capable kit for this power/freq range. Perhaps firmware prevents CB use?

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Torsten Clay
Here's something you might consider (or maybe already have :) )

If the KX3 front panel is almost identical in controls to the K3, maybe it
could be paired with a K3 to act as a remote front panel. Similar to the
detachable panel functionality available with many current mobile rigs. The
advantage being that just the panel KX3 could operate as a self-contained
QRP radio.

Tor
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Wes Stewart
Pity, I was hoping for a K4 with a bigger front panel with better ergonomics, 
better memory management, a band switch, a nicer display, FET finals and enough 
weight that it didn't skid off the desk when I pushed a button.  

Wes  N7WS

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 The K4 was born, I think !!!
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Grant Youngman
You must push REALLY hard!!

Have you considered replacing the bottom panel with an inch thick piece of lead 
:-)

Sent from my iPhone

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 Pity, I was hoping for a K4 with  ... enough weight that it didn't skid off 
 the desk when I pushed a button.  
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Gary Gregory
Wes,

I really cannot believe you actually asked that question

Gary

On 20 May 2011 01:33, Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Pity, I was hoping for a K4 with a bigger front panel with better
 ergonomics, better memory management, a band switch, a nicer display, FET
 finals and enough weight that it didn't skid off the desk when I pushed a
 button.

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  Hi,
 
  The K4 was born, I think !!!
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Lyle Johnson
The KX3 receiver includes I/Q outputs for use with a PC soundcard.  This 
allows you run various a third-party application software on an attached 
PC, such as a spectrum display.

Of course, no PC is required to use the KX3; it is a complete, 
self-contained radio.  With appropriate options (battery pack w/charger, 
ATU) it becomes a complete, self-contained 160m-6m radio station.

73,

Lyle KK7P
 SDR?  So does this have out of the box panadapter support?
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com writes
Of course, no PC is required to use the KX3; it is a complete,
self-contained radio

But isn't that true of the K3 also, Lyle?

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Wes Stewart
What question?

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Wes,
I really cannot believe you actually asked that question
Gary

On 20 May 2011 01:33, Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com wrote:

Pity, I was hoping for a K4 with a bigger front panel with better ergonomics, 
better memory management, a band switch, a nicer display, FET finals and enough 
weight that it didn't skid off the desk when I pushed a button. 




Wes  N7WS



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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Alan Bloom
You pretty much get that with the KX3 and the remote 100W amplifier.
Use the amp in your home or mobile station and just unplug the KX3
(a.k.a. front panel) when you want to go QRP backpacking.

Alan N1AL


On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 07:56 -0700, Torsten Clay wrote:
 Here's something you might consider (or maybe already have :) )
 
 If the KX3 front panel is almost identical in controls to the K3, maybe it
 could be paired with a K3 to act as a remote front panel. Similar to the
 detachable panel functionality available with many current mobile rigs. The
 advantage being that just the panel KX3 could operate as a self-contained
 QRP radio.
 
 Tor
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Eugene Balinski
So, for mobile operation, will we be able to mount the
transceiver in the front like a control head, while
mounting the 100PA w/ATU in the trunk ?

73
K1NR




On Thu, 19 May 2011 07:25:01 -0400
 Eric Swartz  WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com wrote:
 Totally different product categories and size.
 
 73, 
 Eric  (Just waking up at Dayton and about to get super
 busy. We will be able to post more official info later
 this weekend or after Dayton.)
 
 www.elecraft.com
 _..._
 
 
 
 On May 18, 2011, at 11:29 PM, Phil Hystad
 phys...@mac.com wrote:
 
  Seems like a fast way to undercut sales of the K3
 unless I misunderstand what the KX3 is all about.
  
  
  On May 18, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Doug Person wrote:
  
  You're not kidding? For REAL?  When can I buy
 one??!!!???
  72, Doug -- K0DXV
  
  On 5/18/2011 9:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
  KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W,
 all-mode, 32-bit
  DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.
  
  See it at Dayton!
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Alan Bloom
That's the idea.

Alan N1AL

On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:20 -0400, Eugene Balinski wrote:
 So, for mobile operation, will we be able to mount the
 transceiver in the front like a control head, while
 mounting the 100PA w/ATU in the trunk ?
 
 73
 K1NR
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, 19 May 2011 07:25:01 -0400
  Eric Swartz  WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com wrote:
  Totally different product categories and size.
  
  73, 
  Eric  (Just waking up at Dayton and about to get super
  busy. We will be able to post more official info later
  this weekend or after Dayton.)
  
  www.elecraft.com
  _..._
  
  
  
  On May 18, 2011, at 11:29 PM, Phil Hystad
  phys...@mac.com wrote:
  
   Seems like a fast way to undercut sales of the K3
  unless I misunderstand what the KX3 is all about.
   
   
   On May 18, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Doug Person wrote:
   
   You're not kidding? For REAL?  When can I buy
  one??!!!???
   72, Doug -- K0DXV
   
   On 5/18/2011 9:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
   KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W,
  all-mode, 32-bit
   DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.
   
   See it at Dayton!
   
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Alexander Sack
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Alan Bloom n...@sonic.net wrote:
 That's the idea.

 Alan N1AL

 On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:20 -0400, Eugene Balinski wrote:
 So, for mobile operation, will we be able to mount the
 transceiver in the front like a control head, while
 mounting the 100PA w/ATU in the trunk ?


So when will this be on the website with specs/pricing etc.?  I
unfortunately can not make it to Dayton!  :-(

-aps (KC2ZSX)
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Torsten Clay
No, this would be to enable remote operation (over an internet link). No RF 
would go between the panel and the K3.

People are buying TS-480's or similar to run over remote links even if they own 
a K3, because the 480 panel and main box can be easily remoted using ie 
www.remoterig.com. 

Tor
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Subject: Re: Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft
To: Torsten Clay rt_c...@bellsouth.net
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You pretty much get that with the KX3 and the remote 100W amplifier.

Use the amp in your home or mobile station and just unplug the KX3

(a.k.a. front panel) when you want to go QRP backpacking.


Alan N1AL



On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 07:56 -0700, Torsten Clay wrote:

 Here's something you might consider (or maybe already have :) )

 

 If the KX3 front panel is almost identical in controls to the K3, maybe it

 could be paired with a K3 to act as a remote front panel. Similar to the

 detachable panel functionality available with many current mobile rigs. The

 advantage being that just the panel KX3 could operate as a self-contained

 QRP radio.

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Edward R. Cole
Timing is Everything! = Dayton Hamvention.

Hope you have plenty of staff for the Elecraft table at Dayton - I 
can see crowds!

My first thought was there was the replacement for the FT-817 
(sort-of), then I thought: Flex-1500 has competition!
But I will not be trading in my K3 for one.

If it included 2m it would be a real contender in the portable 
microwave station category, probably.  I wonder if a transverter I/F 
is included?  I will read about it when the postings are done.

Have fun at Dayton!


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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I'm guessing (hoping) there will be an KX144XV module - if so, I won't buy the 
FT-817, if not I might!
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???
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On 19 May 2011, at 19:28, Edward R. Cole wrote:

 Timing is Everything! = Dayton Hamvention.
 
 Hope you have plenty of staff for the Elecraft table at Dayton - I 
 can see crowds!
 
 My first thought was there was the replacement for the FT-817 
 (sort-of), then I thought: Flex-1500 has competition!
 But I will not be trading in my K3 for one.
 
 If it included 2m it would be a real contender in the portable 
 microwave station category, probably.  I wonder if a transverter I/F 
 is included?  I will read about it when the postings are done.

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Eugene Balinski
then I better get ready to put my IC-706 up for sale :
-)

On Thu, 19 May 2011 10:22:27 -0700
 Alan Bloom n...@sonic.net wrote:
 That's the idea.
 
 Alan N1AL
 
 On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:20 -0400, Eugene Balinski wrote:
  So, for mobile operation, will we be able to mount the
  transceiver in the front like a control head, while
  mounting the 100PA w/ATU in the trunk ?
  
  73
  K1NR
  
  
  
  
  On Thu, 19 May 2011 07:25:01 -0400
   Eric Swartz  WA6HHQ - Elecraft e...@elecraft.com
 wrote:
   Totally different product categories and size.
   
   73, 
   Eric  (Just waking up at Dayton and about to get
 super
   busy. We will be able to post more official info
 later
   this weekend or after Dayton.)
   
   www.elecraft.com
   _..._
   
   
   
   On May 18, 2011, at 11:29 PM, Phil Hystad
   phys...@mac.com wrote:
   
Seems like a fast way to undercut sales of the K3
   unless I misunderstand what the KX3 is all about.


On May 18, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Doug Person wrote:

You're not kidding? For REAL?  When can I buy
   one??!!!???
72, Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/18/2011 9:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100
 W,
   all-mode, 32-bit
DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.

See it at Dayton!

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Julian, G4ILO

M0XDF wrote:
 
 I'm guessing (hoping) there will be an KX144XV module - if so, I won't buy
 the FT-817, if not I might!
 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???
 

Or so one could sell the FT-817 to help fund the KX3.

A lot of people have been hoping for  new FT-817 for a long time. Never
guessed it would come from Elecraft.

I bet these are going to be backordered for months. At least.

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Phil Hystad
Wes,

Add a KPA500 to your setup.  It gives you all you ask for: easier (aka quicker) 
band switching, very simple display (interpret as nicer), FET finals, and 
definitely enough weight.

73, phil, K7PEH


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 Pity, I was hoping for a K4 with a bigger front panel with better 
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Edward Dickinson III
.knowing Eric and Wayne will return from their break at the Dayton Hamfest
well-rested and wondering what to do next, I have a thought.

 

KX1 - internal battery pack  charger.  internal wide-range ATU.

 

I wonder if a 30-45 watts of final power, perhaps sans ATU could be
comfortable in the KX1 in that same area.

 

These guys never fail to amaze..!

 

 

Very 73,

Dick - KA5KKT

 

 

 unless I misunderstand what the KX3 is all about.

 

Ultraportable:

 

   1.5 lbs

   1.7x3.5x7.4

   KX1 form-factor

   internal battery pack  charger

   internal wide-range ATU

   new adjustable, attached keyer paddle

 

...and a K3-like front panel, including the same LCD.

 

73,

Wayne

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-19 Thread Wes Stewart
Just not enough power.

--- On Thu, 5/19/11, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:

 From: Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com

 Wes,
 
 Add a KPA500 to your setup.  It gives you all you ask
 for: easier (aka quicker) band switching, very simple
 display (interpret as nicer), FET finals, and definitely
 enough weight.
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
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[Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit  
DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.

See it at Dayton!

-- Wayne  Eric

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Byron Servies
Bleep!

And to think tonight I was test-packing a new backpack, including my K1.

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 KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit
 DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.


73, Byron N6NUL

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Doug Person
You're not kidding? For REAL?  When can I buy one??!!!???
72, Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/18/2011 9:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit
 DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.

 See it at Dayton!

 -- Wayne  Eric

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Ken Alexander
Say W H A T ???

Please guys.  How about a photo?  Not everyone can make it to Dayton!!

73,

Ken Alexander, VE3HLS



--- On Wed, 5/18/11, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net, 
 elecraft...@yahoogroups.com, elecr...@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 11:22 PM
 KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid,
 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit  
 DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.
 
 See it at Dayton!
 
 -- Wayne  Eric
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Phil Hystad
Seems like a fast way to undercut sales of the K3 unless I misunderstand what 
the KX3 is all about.


On May 18, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Doug Person wrote:

 You're not kidding? For REAL?  When can I buy one??!!!???
 72, Doug -- K0DXV
 
 On 5/18/2011 9:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit
 DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.
 
 See it at Dayton!
 
 -- Wayne  Eric
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Mike WA8BXN

 
 
Will it run for a whole contest on 8 AA cells at full power? 
 
73 - Mike WA8BXN
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
We're on our way to Dayton, and completely fried :)  We'll post all  
the details and photos later this weekend.

Wayne


On May 18, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:

 Say W H A T ???

 Please guys.  How about a photo?  Not everyone can make it to Dayton!!

 73,

 Ken Alexander, VE3HLS



 --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net, 
 elecraft...@yahoogroups.com 
 , elecr...@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 11:22 PM
 KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid,
 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit
 DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.

 See it at Dayton!

 -- Wayne  Eric

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
 unless I misunderstand what the KX3 is all about.

Ultraportable:

   1.5 lbs
   1.7x3.5x7.4
   KX1 form-factor
   internal battery pack  charger
   internal wide-range ATU
   new adjustable, attached keyer paddle

...and a K3-like front panel, including the same LCD.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
 Will it run for a whole contest on 8 AA cells at full power?

Depends on the contest and the AA cells :)

RX-mode current drain ~150 mA. Very efficient on TX, with dual-output- 
impedance 5W/10W PA.

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread David Gilbert

10w/100w, or 5w/10w per your later post?

Dave  AB7E



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 DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.

 See it at Dayton!

 -- Wayne  Eric

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Doug Person
Same flat layout as the KX-1 - just bigger box I would assume?
72, Doug --K0DXV

On 5/18/2011 9:47 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 Will it run for a whole contest on 8 AA cells at full power?
 Depends on the contest and the AA cells :)

 RX-mode current drain ~150 mA. Very efficient on TX, with dual-output-
 impedance 5W/10W PA.

 Wayne


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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bloom
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 21:05 -0700, David Gilbert wrote:
 10w/100w, or 5w/10w per your later post?

The optional 100W amp is in an external chassis.  The internal amplifier
is 10W with switchable impedance matching so it can also operate with
maximum efficiency at 5W.

Alan N1AL


 Dave  AB7E
 
 
 
 On 5/18/2011 8:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
  KX3: Ultra-compact K3/KX1 hybrid, 160-6 m, 10/100 W, all-mode, 32-bit
  DSP/SDR, 1.5 lbs.
 
  See it at Dayton!
 
  -- Wayne  Eric
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
PA output impedance switch allows efficient 5-W use from internal  
batteries, or 10 W from external supply.

100 W+ with new high-performance external amp/ATU that works with most  
5W to 10W rigs.

Wayne

On May 18, 2011, at 9:05 PM, David Gilbert wrote:


 10w/100w, or 5w/10w per your later post?

 Dave  AB7E



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 See it at Dayton!

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
 Same flat layout as the KX-1 - just bigger box I would assume?

Yes, but with new fold-up rear tilt-feet.

Wayne


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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Bob Nielsen
My first reaction was to check the calendar to see where the past 6-1/2 weeks 
had gone :^)

However, like the rest, I'm looking forward to more information.

Bob, N7XY
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Ken Alexander
--- On Wed, 5/18/11, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 ...and a K3-like front panel, including the same LCD.

And it makes use of EVERY display on that LCD??  Carumba!

Is it a full kit or a final assembly type like the K3?

Care to put us in the ballpark on the price?

73 - Ken
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bloom
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 21:36 -0700, Ken Alexander wrote:
 --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
  ...and a K3-like front panel, including the same LCD.
 
 And it makes use of EVERY display on that LCD??  Carumba!

Not quite.  I think there are a couple annunciators that are not used.
But it's amazing that the design team managed to fit almost all the
features of a 10W K3 into a box that is a small fraction of the size and
weight.  And with space left over for an internal battery pack!

Alan N1AL



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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
By the time we're done, we'll be using every icon.

Totally different architecture than the K3, of course.

Wayne
N6KR

On May 18, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:

 On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 21:36 -0700, Ken Alexander wrote:
 --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 ...and a K3-like front panel, including the same LCD.

 And it makes use of EVERY display on that LCD??  Carumba!

 Not quite.  I think there are a couple annunciators that are not used.
 But it's amazing that the design team managed to fit almost all the
 features of a 10W K3 into a box that is a small fraction of the size  
 and
 weight.  And with space left over for an internal battery pack!

 Alan N1AL

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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

2011-05-18 Thread Ken Chandler
Could do with a posting on YouTube for this baby!!!

73's

Ken..G0ORH  K2, K3, P3, KPA500.August

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On 19 May 2011, at 04:47, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:

 Will it run for a whole contest on 8 AA cells at full power?
 
 Depends on the contest and the AA cells :)
 
 RX-mode current drain ~150 mA. Very efficient on TX, with dual-output- 
 impedance 5W/10W PA.
 
 Wayne
 
 
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