Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3
Well, there is P3 - the largest display, someone could image. And the software could bring out there all needed information, alongwith analog S-meter. Band buttons, mode buttons - there is also an easy solution. Imagine a thiny box 1/2 x 1/2 x 10.7, the same style and paint as K3 - there is a place for 17 original keys. It could be mounted on the top and secured to the top-front 2D fasteners. I would buy such an accesory. Or similar side mounted key box with 3 x 7 = 21 keys. 73 Val LZ1VB After ownning K3 from the beginning, my request would be for an armchair version of K3. There would be an analog S-Meter, large LED/LCD display, band buttons, mode buttons. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Son of K3
Interesting thoughts, Don. 73, Dick - KA5KKT Don Rasmussen wb8yqj at yahoo.com Sun May 16 12:44:41 EDT 2010 I think $800 more for the K3 versus comparable TS-590 may be about right, I always hate to see kit prices higher than factory assembled units but when you go head to head with the high volume producers, that's what happens. As for the K3 front panel layout, I credit the fact that the K3 is a contest radio first and foremost to that. Operation is supposed to be PC based. After ownning K3 from the beginning, my request would be for an armchair version of K3. There would be an analog S-Meter, large LED/LCD display, band buttons, mode buttons. I also -really- enjoy an analog take-off receiver for CW. But the guys have based their product line around K3 and I feel strongly that anyone that buys a K3 today will have the current Elecraft transceiver for years to come. didit. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3
After ownning K3 from the beginning, my request would be for an armchair version of K3. There would be an analog S-Meter, large LED/LCD display, band buttons, mode buttons. I also -really- enjoy an analog take-off receiver for CW. I agree with that!!! I would love to have a bigger less menu K3. I'll live with what I can get though. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
Bert, The height of the signal on the spectral display of the P3 is about the truest and fastest responding analog S-meter display that one can obtain. 73, Don W3FPR Bert Craig wrote: Let me get my $0.02 in before the dreaded End of Thread message appears. I too would love to see an analog meter offered. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? P3 keyboard interface
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 15:56 -0400, W4CCS wrote: Hi Gary: Here is my take on Dayton 2010.. The Elecraft booth was by far the most popular place to be. As we were packing up at the end of the show, the follow selling ham apparel told me he was very glad his booth was right across the aisle from the Elecraft booth. :=) Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? P3 keyboard interface
Alan, Had a chuckle while I read your reply. Now, I wonder where I can stay next year...me thinks I have to see this for myself...(Grin) Well I better go pack the gear for this Dxpedition, man I have a heck of a lot of stuff to put on the trailer and now only 36 hours away from lights, action, roll'em... 73's Gary On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Alan Bloom a...@elecraft.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 15:56 -0400, W4CCS wrote: Hi Gary: Here is my take on Dayton 2010.. The Elecraft booth was by far the most popular place to be. As we were packing up at the end of the show, the follow selling ham apparel told me he was very glad his booth was right across the aisle from the Elecraft booth. :=) Alan N1AL -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
Oh, it is mostly over my head, but thank you for the explaintion. My frist transceiver was a Kenwood. They were at one time one of the best. Maybe Elecraft has started a new apporach to transceivers. N6XVT 73 Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy gm4...@btinternet.com wrote: No criticism of Elecraft nor the K3 was intended, besides I do not have any good hard data as to the receive signal handling capability of the K3's DSP sub-system. What triggered my comment was that the TS-590 is said to use only two roofing filters and it is claimed by the manufacturer that it has the best receiver specs out there. If it is a superhet, this sounds suspiciously like a receiver that uses a H-Mode mixer, high IIP3 roofers, and a strong IF. The H-Mode is a type of mixer which appeared more than 15 years ago and yields very good IMD performance, better than most, and as far as I know is not yet used in commercial amateur receivers - I don't know why not. It will be interesting to see whether or not the designers of the TS-590 receiver have used a proper Gain Distribution analysis to obtain optimum IMDDR3 performance, which should include every stage or element in or which impacts on the signal path, this includes L-C filters, crystal filters as well as LO phase noise. It will also be interesting to see their approach to the LO, because a PLL based synthesiser whose cost is within budget would probably be too noisy. All should be evident from the schematic when and if it becomes available. 73, Geoff GM4ESD On Sunday, May 16, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Karl Marderian karl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: For me and all others (I maybe the only one). Does this imply the enginreers at Elcraft need to do some brushing up on designing of DSPs. Are you saying their heterodynes aren't would they should be. N6XVT 73 Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
Elecraft up dates it's stuff and as you can see everyone on web is helpfully and cool. Even if just get the ten watt unit you love the K3 and can alwasys add, add and add. N6XVT 73 Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Jim Bennett w6...@mac.com wrote: Hi Karl - Just read your post and got a chuckle. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who has been scratching his head with all that techno- talk about the TS-590 design. I read some of the stuff posted on the Elecraft reflector and have to go: huh??? I have some technical knowledge in electronics, but lots of those discussions make my head hurt! I also had Kenwood equipment many years ago. After selling my old Heathkit DX-60, SB-400, and SB-101 rigs, I bought a TS-180s. Nice little rig. Then we hams got the 30, 17, and 12 meter WARC bands and I was out of luck there. So I sold the '180s and got a TS-450 and then a TS-850. Migrated from Kenwood to an Icom IC-775 and then an IC-756 Pro III. Now saving up my pesos for a K3. 73, Jim / W6JHB On Monday, May 17, 2010, at Monday, 4:02 PM, Karl Marderian wrote: Oh, it is mostly over my head, but thank you for the explaintion. My frist transceiver was a Kenwood. They were at one time one of the best. Maybe Elecraft has started a new apporach to transceivers. N6XVT 73 Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy gm4...@btinternet.com wrote: No criticism of Elecraft nor the K3 was intended, besides I do not have any good hard data as to the receive signal handling capability of the K3's DSP sub-system. What triggered my comment was that the TS-590 is said to use only two roofing filters and it is claimed by the manufacturer that it has the best receiver specs out there. If it is a superhet, this sounds suspiciously like a receiver that uses a H-Mode mixer, high IIP3 roofers, and a strong IF. The H-Mode is a type of mixer which appeared more than 15 years ago and yields very good IMD performance, better than most, and as far as I know is not yet used in commercial amateur receivers - I don't know why not. It will be interesting to see whether or not the designers of the TS-590 receiver have used a proper Gain Distribution analysis to obtain optimum IMDDR3 performance, which should include every stage or element in or which impacts on the signal path, this includes L-C filters, crystal filters as well as LO phase noise. It will also be interesting to see their approach to the LO, because a PLL based synthesiser whose cost is within budget would probably be too noisy. All should be evident from the schematic when and if it becomes available. 73, Geoff GM4ESD On Sunday, May 16, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Karl Marderian karl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: For me and all others (I maybe the only one). Does this imply the enginreers at Elcraft need to do some brushing up on designing of DSPs. Are you saying their heterodynes aren't would they should be. N6XVT 73 Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
WHY? The K3/100 is 1900. For $100 you would buy the Kenwood - NOT. Actually, the K3/100 is $2150. Plus $100 for the 500 Hz filter. Plus $330 for the antenna tuner. The K3/100 ends up being almost $800 more. Think we should wait and see what kind of performance the TS-590S actually delivers. It is VERY premature to decide now. Having said that, however, I do like the fact that the TS-590S front panel layout has nothing for one's hand to bump into when trying to use the tuning knob. I wish Elecraft had gotten that right. 73, Bob K3PH -- +--+ | Bob Schreibmaier K3PH | E-mail: k...@ptd.net | | Kresgeville, PA 18333 | http://www.dxis.org | +--+ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
Don't forget tho that the K3 has the option for you to build it yourself. Then you know how it goes together and you save $250 over the fully built version in the process. Then there's the fact that the Kenwood is a catchup radio that's not even finished yet, and once it goes into to production there's going to be the usual feast of version One Point Oh bugs. And who knows if/when those will ever get fixed... and by then the K3 will just be even further ahead, etc.. Before I became a dedicated elecrafter my favorite Kenwood rigs were the TS 5/830 and the 930. Those were the last good rigs I think Kenwood made. I couldn't pull the trigger on any of them after that due to having to pay for more creeping featurism rather than good basic performance. if they still sold the 830 new, tho, I'd whip out the credit card right now to get one. The higher end rigs from the big 3 are even more ridiculous, where you have to take out a bank loan to buy something with an RX that hardly performs as well as my K2, much less the K3. Rigs like the Icom 7700 and 7800 are just tragedies.. tho somehow Icom manages to sell a bunch of them. How? I dunno - more money than brains I guess hi hi. So at least for me, elecraft got it exactly spot-on in terms of my needs. The only criticism I can give have to do with ergonomics but those are pretty low priority items to me.. The bang/buck ratio of elecraft is the highest in the industry that I've been able to find. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Son-of-K3-tp5060507p5061567.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
If the TS-590 uses only two roofing filters and has the best receiver specs out there, then I speculate that it could be using an H-Mode mixer, that the roofers exhibit better than average in-passband and skirt IIP3 followed by a decent strong IF, plus a LO whose phase noise is suitably low e.g. -145 dbc/Hz at 1 kHz offset. If they have gone down this route and if they have paid attention to important details such as core sizes and mix, then with the 500 Hz roofer in line we might be seeing spurious free IMDDR3 figures of 120db at spacings of 1kHz, and a HF noise figure of 9-10db without a preamp, based on actual measurements made on a living H-Mode receiver. 73, Geoff GM4ESD From: William Ravenel wm...@triad.rr.com Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 1:24 AM I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning. He said the TS-590 would have the best receiver specs out there. I asked if it would beat the K3 and he said the TS-590 would have the best receiver specs out there. The radio has an IF of 11MHz and two stock roofing filters - 2.8KHz and 500Hz - no spare slots and no options. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
more money than brains I guess... Oh yes,there are thousand outhere who has no brain at all when they want just to have what they like,what could you think If you see on ebay two years ago a guy from K8 land paying $3300 for an old Drake TR4CW ? and what could you think about another guy on the same website buying and old Hallicrafter SR-400 for the crazy amount of $7700 ? ah? no brain at all,go figure. AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 --- On Sun, 5/16/10, lstavenhagen lstavenha...@hotmail.com wrote: From: lstavenhagen lstavenha...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 1:14 PM Don't forget tho that the K3 has the option for you to build it yourself. Then you know how it goes together and you save $250 over the fully built version in the process. Then there's the fact that the Kenwood is a catchup radio that's not even finished yet, and once it goes into to production there's going to be the usual feast of version One Point Oh bugs. And who knows if/when those will ever get fixed... and by then the K3 will just be even further ahead, etc.. Before I became a dedicated elecrafter my favorite Kenwood rigs were the TS 5/830 and the 930. Those were the last good rigs I think Kenwood made. I couldn't pull the trigger on any of them after that due to having to pay for more creeping featurism rather than good basic performance. if they still sold the 830 new, tho, I'd whip out the credit card right now to get one. The higher end rigs from the big 3 are even more ridiculous, where you have to take out a bank loan to buy something with an RX that hardly performs as well as my K2, much less the K3. Rigs like the Icom 7700 and 7800 are just tragedies.. tho somehow Icom manages to sell a bunch of them. How? I dunno - more money than brains I guess hi hi. So at least for me, elecraft got it exactly spot-on in terms of my needs. The only criticism I can give have to do with ergonomics but those are pretty low priority items to me.. The bang/buck ratio of elecraft is the highest in the industry that I've been able to find. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Son-of-K3-tp5060507p5061567.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
I wish that I was in a position to do these things---I'm not---but why get upset with those who are? I'm sure there were those who when watching coverage of the Kentucky Derby were shocked and/or thought a guy nuts when he walked up with a briefcase full of money ($100K) and bet it on a horse. I imagine some thought differently when his pick paid 8 to 1. --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com wrote: more money than brains I guess... Oh yes,there are thousand outhere who has no brain at all when they want just to have what they like,what could you think If you see on ebay two years ago a guy from K8 land paying $3300 for an old Drake TR4CW ? and what could you think about another guy on the same website buying and old Hallicrafter SR-400 for the crazy amount of $7700 ? ah? no brain at all,go figure. AD4C __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
well, OK. If you've been convinced you need to spend 10 grand on a rig that's outperformed by a better one costing a 1/5th the price, then there's not much more I can say. You get what you deserve comes immediately to mind, but hey, go ahead - knock yourself out. I never fell for it, but that's just me 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Son-of-K3-tp5060507p5062068.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Son of K3??
I think $800 more for the K3 versus comparable TS-590 may be about right, I always hate to see kit prices higher than factory assembled units but when you go head to head with the high volume producers, that's what happens. As for the K3 front panel layout, I credit the fact that the K3 is a contest radio first and foremost to that. Operation is supposed to be PC based. After ownning K3 from the beginning, my request would be for an armchair version of K3. There would be an analog S-Meter, large LED/LCD display, band buttons, mode buttons. I also -really- enjoy an analog take-off receiver for CW. But the guys have based their product line around K3 and I feel strongly that anyone that buys a K3 today will have the current Elecraft transceiver for years to come. didit. [Elecraft] Son of K3?? Bob Schreibmaier k3ph at ptd.net Sun May 16 08:24:15 EDT 2010 WHY? The K3/100 is 1900. For $100 you would buy the Kenwood - NOT. Actually, the K3/100 is $2150. Plus $100 for the 500 Hz filter. Plus $330 for the antenna tuner. The K3/100 ends up being almost $800 more. Think we should wait and see what kind of performance the TS-590S actually delivers. It is VERY premature to decide now. Having said that, however, I do like the fact that the TS-590S front panel layout has nothing for one's hand to bump into when trying to use the tuning knob. I wish Elecraft had gotten that right. 73, Bob K3PH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? P3 keyboard interface
great dayton... a lot more people a lot more young people , SUNSHINE,,, I passed by / thru Kenwood three times along the wall of the new radio... I did hear the word K3 each time... not one time did I hear kenwood,. If the new Kenwood has a tuner I wonder if it has the capability of the k3's tuner., doubt it, unless they copied that concept as well. Eric Wayne did a 45 minute casual talk at the QRP convention on Sat night. In responding to a K3 keyboard interface Eric indicated the interface would be through the P3. bill /3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
Let me get my $0.02 in before the dreaded End of Thread message appears. I too would love to see an analog meter offered. I e-mailed LDG re. their outboard S/RF meter and its possible use with Elecraft products. I received a rather curt response that I had considered posting here for all to see but then decided against it. I still have it saved for those who would like to see it privately. Customer service is apparently not their strong suit. Regarding the new Kenwood rig, any word re. its CW full break-in/QSK capabilities? As always, take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI - Original Message - From: Don Rasmussen wb8...@yahoo.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:44 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? After ownning K3 from the beginning, my request would be for an armchair version of K3. There would be an analog S-Meter, large LED/LCD display, band buttons, mode buttons. I also -really- enjoy an analog take-off receiver for CW. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? P3 keyboard interface
Wayne also indicated that a VGA video output option (P3) is in the works as well... GREAT..!! W4CCS On 5/16/2010 2:09 PM, Bill NY9H wrote: great dayton... a lot more people a lot more young people , SUNSHINE,,, I passed by / thru Kenwood three times along the wall of the new radio... I did hear the word K3 each time... not one time did I hear kenwood,. If the new Kenwood has a tuner I wonder if it has the capability of the k3's tuner., doubt it, unless they copied that concept as well. Eric Wayne did a 45 minute casual talk at the QRP convention on Sat night. In responding to a K3 keyboard interface Eric indicated the interface would be through the P3. bill /3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? P3 keyboard interface
Gee, it just keeps getting better and better eh? What gear have they got on display?...any photos of the Booth for us that are far away and in the dark?...(Grin) Gary VK4FD On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:25 AM, W4CCS w4...@w4ccs.com wrote: Wayne also indicated that a VGA video output option (P3) is in the works as well... GREAT..!! W4CCS On 5/16/2010 2:09 PM, Bill NY9H wrote: great dayton... a lot more people a lot more young people , SUNSHINE,,, I passed by / thru Kenwood three times along the wall of the new radio... I did hear the word K3 each time... not one time did I hear kenwood,. If the new Kenwood has a tuner I wonder if it has the capability of the k3's tuner., doubt it, unless they copied that concept as well. Eric Wayne did a 45 minute casual talk at the QRP convention on Sat night. In responding to a K3 keyboard interface Eric indicated the interface would be through the P3. bill /3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? P3 keyboard interface
VGA? Not HDMI? How ever will I get this low res signal to look crisp on my 60 1080p display? And what about 3-D? :-) Grant/NQ5T On May 16, 2010, at 2:25 PM, W4CCS wrote: Wayne also indicated that a VGA video output option (P3) is in the works as well... GREAT..!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? P3 keyboard interface
Hi Gary: Here is my take on Dayton 2010.. The Elecraft booth was by far the most popular place to be. Saw the new P3 and the new KPA500. Both were impressive. No pictures from me. I had enough to tote around.. The new Kenwood radio was good to see but not a lot of interest by my observation. Yaesu's boot was full mostly of people looking for a free hat, myself included ( just put it on the self with the other 6 or 7 I have). Alpha showed there new 6 meter offering. Runs a 4CX1500 tube and will delver lots of smoke on six. Not yet type accepted or priced but the rumor was 5 to 6k.. OUCH..!! The bone yard was much better this year over last. Much less plain junk, lots of land mobile junk.. Lots more actual ham equipment. My observation is that this Datyton was much better then last year. Had lots of fun and met lots of great hams. By the end, both my feet and legs were very mad at me.. De W4CCS On 5/16/2010 3:28 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: Gee, it just keeps getting better and better eh? What gear have they got on display?...any photos of the Booth for us that are far away and in the dark?...(Grin) Gary VK4FD On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:25 AM, W4CCS w4...@w4ccs.com mailto:w4...@w4ccs.com wrote: Wayne also indicated that a VGA video output option (P3) is in the works as well... GREAT..!! W4CCS On 5/16/2010 2:09 PM, Bill NY9H wrote: great dayton... a lot more people a lot more young people , SUNSHINE,,, I passed by / thru Kenwood three times along the wall of the new radio... I did hear the word K3 each time... not one time did I hear kenwood,. If the new Kenwood has a tuner I wonder if it has the capability of the k3's tuner., doubt it, unless they copied that concept as well. Eric Wayne did a 45 minute casual talk at the QRP convention on Sat night. In responding to a K3 keyboard interface Eric indicated the interface would be through the P3. bill /3 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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For me and all others (I maybe the only one). Does this imply the enginreers at Elcraft need to do some brushing up on designing of DSPs. Are you saying their heterodynes aren't would they should be. N6XVT 73 Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy gm4...@btinternet.com wrote: If the TS-590 uses only two roofing filters and has the best receiver specs out there, then I speculate that it could be using an H-Mode mixer, that the roofers exhibit better than average in-passband and skirt IIP3 followed by a decent strong IF, plus a LO whose phase noise is suitably low e.g. -145 dbc/Hz at 1 kHz offset. If they have gone down this route and if they have paid attention to important details such as core sizes and mix, then with the 500 Hz roofer in line we might be seeing spurious free IMDDR3 figures of 120db at spacings of 1kHz, and a HF noise figure of 9-10db without a preamp, based on actual measurements made on a living H-Mode receiver. 73, Geoff GM4ESD From: William Ravenel wm...@triad.rr.com Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 1:24 AM I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning. He said the TS-590 would have the best receiver specs out there. I asked if it would beat the K3 and he said the TS-590 would have the best receiver specs out there. The radio has an IF of 11MHz and two stock roofing filters - 2.8KHz and 500Hz - no spare slots and no options. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3??
No criticism of Elecraft nor the K3 was intended, besides I do not have any good hard data as to the receive signal handling capability of the K3's DSP sub-system. What triggered my comment was that the TS-590 is said to use only two roofing filters and it is claimed by the manufacturer that it has the best receiver specs out there. If it is a superhet, this sounds suspiciously like a receiver that uses a H-Mode mixer, high IIP3 roofers, and a strong IF. The H-Mode is a type of mixer which appeared more than 15 years ago and yields very good IMD performance, better than most, and as far as I know is not yet used in commercial amateur receivers - I don't know why not. It will be interesting to see whether or not the designers of the TS-590 receiver have used a proper Gain Distribution analysis to obtain optimum IMDDR3 performance, which should include every stage or element in or which impacts on the signal path, this includes L-C filters, crystal filters as well as LO phase noise. It will also be interesting to see their approach to the LO, because a PLL based synthesiser whose cost is within budget would probably be too noisy. All should be evident from the schematic when and if it becomes available. 73, Geoff GM4ESD On Sunday, May 16, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Karl Marderian karl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: For me and all others (I maybe the only one). Does this imply the enginreers at Elcraft need to do some brushing up on designing of DSPs. Are you saying their heterodynes aren't would they should be. N6XVT 73 Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Kenwood TS-590,,, Son of K3?? or,,(Attempted) Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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What? Are you dreaming? That Kenwood radio will never be the son of our K3's. AD4C For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 --- On Sat, 5/15/10, jack jackson w4efz.e...@gmail.com wrote: From: jack jackson w4efz.e...@gmail.com Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 1:43 PM Kenwood TS-590,,, Son of K3?? or,,(Attempted) Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning. He said the TS-590 would have the best receiver specs out there. I asked if it would beat the K3 and he said the TS-590 would have the best receiver specs out there. The radio has an IF of 11MHz and two stock roofing filters - 2.8KHz and 500Hz - no spare slots and no options. It will not have a second receiver or option for one. I remarked on it's superficial similarity to the K3 and he said that the K3 had done some things right and that they were not too proud to use them. Price is expected to be $1800 and expected to be available in the fall. The model on display was an operational hand-built prototype with some features disabled. As a very happy K3 owner, if Kenwood can meet or slightly exceed the K3 receiver numbers with this radio then more power to them. It still won't match the overall capability of the K3 and Kenwood certainly won't match the Elecraft level of support. It might, however, attract users who are looking for a radio with good specs at a mid-level price and without the complications (or availability) of options. Will, AI4VE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I won't buy one, even if it were a better radio. Kenwood service has a very very bad reputation. I did notice though, that they included BAND KEYS aka tunable memories. For those that would use K3/590 outside of the confines PC based software, a must I think. Disappointed there is no Analog S-meter, that one might have me considering risking Kenwood Service... Nehhh, they are the pits. If I might suggest if there was a rig killer out there it would be named Kenwood Service. ;-) PS - Or Kenwood parts - ack! [Elecraft] Son of K3?? William Ravenel wmrav at triad.rr.com Sat May 15 20:24:20 EDT 2010 Previous message: [Elecraft] KPA100 KAT100 For sale or trade! Fully assembled Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning. He said the TS-590 would have the best receiver specs out there. I asked if it would beat the K3 and he said the TS-590 would have the best receiver specs out there. The radio has an IF of 11MHz and two stock roofing filters - 2.8KHz and 500Hz - no spare slots and no options. It will not have a second receiver or option for one. I remarked on it's superficial similarity to the K3 and he said that the K3 had done some things right and that they were not too proud to use them. Price is expected to be $1800 and expected to be available in the fall. The model on display was an operational hand-built prototype with some features disabled. As a very happy K3 owner, if Kenwood can meet or slightly exceed the K3 receiver numbers with this radio then more power to them. It still won't match the overall capability of the K3 and Kenwood certainly won't match the Elecraft level of support. It might, however, attract users who are looking for a radio with good specs at a mid-level price and without the complications (or availability) of options. Will, AI4VE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search TS-590), I noticed doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S. Has anyone heard a mention of 200 watts? 73, Dick - KA5KKT - I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning snip Will, AI4VE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Kenwood once made great HF radios. I have an old TS-930s that is quite a performer for its age. I found in side by side comparisons I was able to copy more weak signals with the 930s than with my K2. If I could copy on both, I would prefer the K2 because with dsp I was able to filter out all the noise. My new K3 is clearly the superior radio in all respects. I have also used a TS-2000. I thought it was a very poor quality radio and I sold it shortly after I bought it. I am very happy with the K3 and have zero desire for a change. I like Kenwood radios for VHF/UHF repeater and mobile use. They understand and implement APRS better than others and they are my choice for mobile public service work. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson, III Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:12 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: wm...@triad.rr.com Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search TS-590), I noticed doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S. Has anyone heard a mention of 200 watts? 73, Dick - KA5KKT - I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning snip Will, AI4VE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Ed - Doubled-up power cords were (are) standard with most Kenwood HF rigs. My 10 year old TS-570S (100 watts out) came with a 4-wire power cable, as did the much older TS-950S that preceded it. - Jim, KL7CC Edward Dickinson, III wrote: I noticed doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S. Has anyone heard a mention of 200 watts? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hi If the new Kenwood does deliver K3 like performance at the reported price of 1800 dollars, its going to be a huge seller. This price is not much more than a TS480. What this competitive price means is that radios like the Yaesu FT5000 will struggle to find wide acceptance since its almost 3 times the price of this new Kenwood. This competitive pricing versus performance from Kenwood truly might be a new turning point in the ham radio market. What it also means is that big, expensive white elephant radios like the FTDX9000 and IC7800 might well be a thing of the past. Assuming that the Kenwood does deliver on its receiver performance claims, 2 of these radios at 3600 dollars will be a bargain. Elecraft could take the lead and produce a single receiver version of the K3 with a 200 watt PA, inbuilt power supply, and possibly a bigger front panel. However I dont see this happening. The high performance end of the ham radio market is certainly going to be crowded, the winners will certainly be the ham fraternity. The only losers are people like Icom who have expensive radios like the IC7700 and IC7800 which have marginal IMD dynamic range. From this perspective the Kenwood radio is a welcome! John --- On Sat, 5/15/10, George A. Thornton gthorn...@thorntonmostullaw.com wrote: From: George A. Thornton gthorn...@thorntonmostullaw.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? To: Edward Dickinson, III softb...@windstream.net, Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: wm...@triad.rr.com Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 6:37 PM Kenwood once made great HF radios. I have an old TS-930s that is quite a performer for its age. I found in side by side comparisons I was able to copy more weak signals with the 930s than with my K2. If I could copy on both, I would prefer the K2 because with dsp I was able to filter out all the noise. My new K3 is clearly the superior radio in all respects. I have also used a TS-2000. I thought it was a very poor quality radio and I sold it shortly after I bought it. I am very happy with the K3 and have zero desire for a change. I like Kenwood radios for VHF/UHF repeater and mobile use. They understand and implement APRS better than others and they are my choice for mobile public service work. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson, III Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:12 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: wm...@triad.rr.com Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search TS-590), I noticed doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S. Has anyone heard a mention of 200 watts? 73, Dick - KA5KKT - I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning snip Will, AI4VE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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WHY? The K3/100 is 1900. For $100 you would buy the Kenwood - NOT. 73, Jim - Original Message - From: juergen plebia...@yahoo.com To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? Hi If the new Kenwood does deliver K3 like performance at the reported price of 1800 dollars, its going to be a huge seller. This price is not much more than a TS480. What this competitive price means is that radios like the Yaesu FT5000 will struggle to find wide acceptance since its almost 3 times the price of this new Kenwood. This competitive pricing versus performance from Kenwood truly might be a new turning point in the ham radio market. What it also means is that big, expensive white elephant radios like the FTDX9000 and IC7800 might well be a thing of the past. Assuming that the Kenwood does deliver on its receiver performance claims, 2 of these radios at 3600 dollars will be a bargain. Elecraft could take the lead and produce a single receiver version of the K3 with a 200 watt PA, inbuilt power supply, and possibly a bigger front panel. However I dont see this happening. The high performance end of the ham radio market is certainly going to be crowded, the winners will certainly be the ham fraternity. The only losers are people like Icom who have expensive radios like the IC7700 and IC7800 which have marginal IMD dynamic range. From this perspective the Kenwood radio is a welcome! John --- On Sat, 5/15/10, George A. Thornton gthorn...@thorntonmostullaw.com wrote: From: George A. Thornton gthorn...@thorntonmostullaw.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? To: Edward Dickinson, III softb...@windstream.net, Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: wm...@triad.rr.com Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 6:37 PM Kenwood once made great HF radios. I have an old TS-930s that is quite a performer for its age. I found in side by side comparisons I was able to copy more weak signals with the 930s than with my K2. If I could copy on both, I would prefer the K2 because with dsp I was able to filter out all the noise. My new K3 is clearly the superior radio in all respects. I have also used a TS-2000. I thought it was a very poor quality radio and I sold it shortly after I bought it. I am very happy with the K3 and have zero desire for a change. I like Kenwood radios for VHF/UHF repeater and mobile use. They understand and implement APRS better than others and they are my choice for mobile public service work. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson, III Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:12 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: wm...@triad.rr.com Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search TS-590), I noticed doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S. Has anyone heard a mention of 200 watts? 73, Dick - KA5KKT - I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning snip Will, AI4VE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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My TS-870 has the same configuration. Paralleled wires and a Molex plug that doesn't fall out when you move the radio. --- On Sat, 5/15/10, Edward Dickinson, III softb...@windstream.net wrote: From: Edward Dickinson, III softb...@windstream.net Subject: [Elecraft] Son of K3?? To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: wm...@triad.rr.com Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 7:11 PM In a photo taken at Dayton and posted to Flickr (search TS-590), I noticed doubled-up power cords into the TS-590S. Has anyone heard a mention of 200 watts? 73, Dick - KA5KKT - I talked to a Kenwood rep at Dayton this morning snip Will, AI4VE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On 2010-05-16 02:43, Don Rasmussen wrote: I won't buy one, even if it were a better radio. Kenwood service has a very very bad reputation. I did notice though, that they included BAND KEYS aka tunable memories. For those that would use K3/590 outside of the confines PC based software, a must I think. Disappointed there is no Analog S-meter, that one might have me considering risking Kenwood Service... Nehhh, they are the pits. If I might suggest if there was a rig killer out there it would be named Kenwood Service. ;-) PS - Or Kenwood parts - ack! There is no analog S-meter on the K3 either. / Jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
