Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
Dave and all, The answer to your assumptions depends on *your* definition of I and Q signals, and also your ability to separate analog I/Q concepts and digital I/Q concepts. I believe the K3/K3S, KX3 and KX2 already qualify as SDR transceivers - but they do the DSP signal processing inside the box without any dependency on an external computer. Some seem to think that to be an SDR, you must connect with a computer - I do not share those thoughts, an SDR is all about mathematical processing - study a bit on DSP, that is "what it is all about". I and Q signals can be defined as 2 identical signals but 90 degrees out of phase - period (full stop there, anything more is what adds confusion). One can do "magic" with those two signals, and create filters, demodulate, modulate - all by manipulating the signals in the digital world. It can also be done in the analog world (examples, Rick Campbell's phasing receivers, and the old phasing SSB exciters) The K3/K3S does have I/Q signals, but they are digital and are at 15kHz, not audio, so one cannot feed them to a computer soundcard. The KX3 has I/Q signals (and I/Q outputs) because the I/Q signals are at baseband (audio frequency spectrum). The onboard computer (MCU) inside the radios do the processing rather than depending on a computer soundcard and the computer MCU for the processing. The KX2 is similar, but has no I/Q outputs. While some want to add their favorite computer software application to do I/Q processing separate from that done by the K3/K3S or KX3 or KX2. The current fact is that the K3 I/Q signals exist, but they are only in the digital world. The P3 does extract them, but for purposes of the P3, they remain in the digital world. Getting those signals into the analog world will take some work and design effort. It is more complex than a digital to analog converter. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/27/2018 5:17 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote: As I understand it, the KX3, and the P3, both contain a software defined receiver, so the I/Q signals are already present. That is not the case for the receiver in the K3 or K3S, so adding it there would involve adding a SDR. On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 2:21 PM Dick Dickinson wrote: Ever the contrarian here, I note the KX3 has I/Q output. Why not a module for the K3/S rather than the P3..? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
I'll second that emotion, Charlie k3ICH Apologies to Smokey Robinson & the Miracles -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of volker.de...@t-online.de Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 3:42 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions I/Q output from P3 is the best idea I've seen here on the reflector so far. Thumbs up Elecraft DL4ZBG -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions Datum: 2018-07-27T21:25:07+0200 Von: "Bob via Elecraft" An: "Joe Subich, W4TV" , "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Me too. If this is to be a marketing survey I'll commit to it now! 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 7/27/2018 2:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Looking forward to it! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2018-07-27 11:51 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. >> >> Wayne, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to volker.de...@t-online.de __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
As I understand it, the KX3, and the P3, both contain a software defined receiver, so the I/Q signals are already present. That is not the case for the receiver in the K3 or K3S, so adding it there would involve adding a SDR. On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 2:21 PM Dick Dickinson wrote: > Ever the contrarian here, I note the KX3 has I/Q output. Why not a module > for the K3/S rather than the P3..? > > > Dick - KA5KKT > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
As I said in my email to you post-Hamvention, if you decide offer that product for sale or even beta test, I'm in with bells on. - pjd -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9FD Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 1:05 PM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions That would be perfect for my use. Im only one but sign me up. Merv K9FD > I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. > > Wayne, > N6KR > > > > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD wrote: >> >> My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it >> thats >> true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the >> I/Q signal >> for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc? > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@w2irt.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
I/Q output from P3 is the best idea I've seen here on the reflector so far. Thumbs up Elecraft DL4ZBG -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions Datum: 2018-07-27T21:25:07+0200 Von: "Bob via Elecraft" An: "Joe Subich, W4TV" , "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Me too. If this is to be a marketing survey I'll commit to it now! 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 7/27/2018 2:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Looking forward to it! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2018-07-27 11:51 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. >> >> Wayne, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to volker.de...@t-online.de __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
Me too. If this is to be a marketing survey I'll commit to it now! 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 7/27/2018 2:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Looking forward to it! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-07-27 11:51 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. Wayne, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
Ever the contrarian here, I note the KX3 has I/Q output. Why not a module for the K3/S rather than the P3..? Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
Looking forward to it! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-07-27 11:51 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. Wayne, N6KR http://www.elecraft.com On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD wrote: My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it thats true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the I/Q signal for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
That would be perfect for my use. Im only one but sign me up. Merv K9FD I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. Wayne, N6KR http://www.elecraft.com On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD wrote: My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it thats true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the I/Q signal for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
Wayne. In what “Time Frame” might it exist?? 6 months, 12 months?? Never?? And while this question has also been raised; is there a possibility of mouse control with a P3? This would be a real PLUS! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > I meant to mention that that this would require a small, easily retrofitted > add-on module for the P3. > > Anticipating the next question: it doesn’t exist so there isn’t a waiting > list yet :) > > Wayne > > > > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Jul 27, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. >> >> Wayne, >> N6KR >> >> >> >> http://www.elecraft.com >> >>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD wrote: >>> >>> My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so >>> it thats >>> true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the >>> I/Q signal >>> for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc? >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
I meant to mention that that this would require a small, easily retrofitted add-on module for the P3. Anticipating the next question: it doesn’t exist so there isn’t a waiting list yet :) Wayne http://www.elecraft.com > On Jul 27, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. > > Wayne, > N6KR > > > > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD wrote: >> >> My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it >> thats >> true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the >> I/Q signal >> for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc? > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
I/Q output from the P3 is certainly possible, and we’re considering it. Wayne, N6KR http://www.elecraft.com > On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:18 PM, K9FD wrote: > > My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it > thats > true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the > I/Q signal > for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
My question is: Wayne as I remember said the P3 was actually a SDR, so it thats true is it not possible to have an add on board for the P3 to bring out the I/Q signal for use with a computer and Skimmer software etc? I never got an answer when asking this before, or am I all wet that this is not possible at all? I know the P3 works well as a receiver alone to find RFI etc. so why not a board add on with outputs. 73 Merv K9FD The ideal solution would be if Elecraft ever released a module with I/Q out, and I'm curious why they haven't done so, in fact. I would much rather have my K3s than any Flex, but with that said, the features provided by SDR are undeniably powerful. I might grab and SDRPlay and give it a try when it comes time to reconfigure my station. - pjd __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
I did a video with my K3 and the panadapter solution that I use. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KusmkeLdfwE -John NI0K Peter W2IRT <mailto:li...@w2irt.net> Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:00 PM I have and LP-PAN2 and could never get it to work reliably with both U5 and U7 outboard sound cards on my system. Others have had great success with it, but I haven't. Birdies and other junk in the spectrum. It would kinda-sorta work but that's not good enough. I've held out for now until I can find a better panadapter solution. I have a P3 and it's OK--it's gotten me through more than a few DXpedition pileups looking for replying station--but I'm after a better way to accomplish this. The ideal solution would be if Elecraft ever released a module with I/Q out, and I'm curious why they haven't done so, in fact. I would much rather have my K3s than any Flex, but with that said, the features provided by SDR are undeniably powerful. I might grab and SDRPlay and give it a try when it comes time to reconfigure my station. - pjd -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:29 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have reported hardware reliability issues. That is a primary reason so many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems. It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of the better hardware these days. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@w2irt.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jasimm...@pinewooddata.com Joe Subich, W4TV <mailto:li...@subich.com> Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:28 PM Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have reported hardware reliability issues. That is a primary reason so many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems. It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of the better hardware these days. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jasimm...@pinewooddata.com Roger D Johnson <mailto:n...@roadrunner.com> Thursday, July 26, 2018 6:07 PM It's also fine with a reliable sound card! 73, Roger __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jasimm...@pinewooddata.com Joe Subich, W4TV <mailto:li...@subich.com> Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:33 PM The issue is that NaP3 does not support Airspy, SDRplay or RTS dongle based SDRs. It's fine if one has LP-Pan with an unreliable sound card or Fun Cube Dongle but otherwise it's rather crippled and not readily supported. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jasimm...@pinewooddata.com ab2tc <mailto:ab...@arrl.net> Thursday, July 26, 2018 4:28 PM Hi, None of you buddies have heard of LP-PAN and NaP3? No RF splitter needed and NaP3 takes care of all the frequency offsets caused by the bandpass shifting on the K3(S). The latest versions of NaP3 even have cluster spots displayed. AB2TC
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
I have and LP-PAN2 and could never get it to work reliably with both U5 and U7 outboard sound cards on my system. Others have had great success with it, but I haven't. Birdies and other junk in the spectrum. It would kinda-sorta work but that's not good enough. I've held out for now until I can find a better panadapter solution. I have a P3 and it's OK--it's gotten me through more than a few DXpedition pileups looking for replying station--but I'm after a better way to accomplish this. The ideal solution would be if Elecraft ever released a module with I/Q out, and I'm curious why they haven't done so, in fact. I would much rather have my K3s than any Flex, but with that said, the features provided by SDR are undeniably powerful. I might grab and SDRPlay and give it a try when it comes time to reconfigure my station. - pjd -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:29 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions On 2018-07-26 7:07 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > It's also fine with a reliable sound card! > > 73, Roger > Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have reported hardware reliability issues. That is a primary reason so many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems. It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of the better hardware these days. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@w2irt.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
On 2018-07-26 7:07 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: It's also fine with a reliable sound card! 73, Roger Most of the sound cards that support 192 KHz sampling (~200KHz display with NaP3) have either lost driver support for Windows 10 or have reported hardware reliability issues. That is a primary reason so many have abandoned LP-Pan/SoftRock with sound card style systems in favor of the RTL dongles, AirSpy and/or SDRplay based systems. It is a shame that NaP3 support is so lacking for the majority of the better hardware these days. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
It's also fine with a reliable sound card! 73, Roger On 7/26/2018 6:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: The issue is that NaP3 does not support Airspy, SDRplay or RTS dongle based SDRs. It's fine if one has LP-Pan with an unreliable sound card or Fun Cube Dongle but otherwise it's rather crippled and not readily supported. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-07-26 5:28 PM, ab2tc wrote: Hi, None of you buddies have heard of LP-PAN and NaP3? No RF splitter needed and NaP3 takes care of all the frequency offsets caused by the bandpass shifting on the K3(S). The latest versions of NaP3 even have cluster spots displayed. AB2TC Knut William Liporace - WC2L wrote Great information!! The Airspy & N1MM+ Spectrum display is pretty cool. It is radio independent (K3, FTdx500, etc). The cost is $200. It is dead easy! My guess the Flex guys used the software included. So about 12% of the teams used the Airspy HF+. My guess is that you had most of them were using N1MM+. I would also like to know who was using what (radios, software, etc). I have not looked at the web site. If I remember someone did a list for WRTC 2014. I like the Win4K3 suite. For me the missing part is the ability to include the Airspy HF+. I don't use my P3... It will more than likely go back into the box. Will WC2L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@roadrunner.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
The issue is that NaP3 does not support Airspy, SDRplay or RTS dongle based SDRs. It's fine if one has LP-Pan with an unreliable sound card or Fun Cube Dongle but otherwise it's rather crippled and not readily supported. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-07-26 5:28 PM, ab2tc wrote: Hi, None of you buddies have heard of LP-PAN and NaP3? No RF splitter needed and NaP3 takes care of all the frequency offsets caused by the bandpass shifting on the K3(S). The latest versions of NaP3 even have cluster spots displayed. AB2TC Knut William Liporace - WC2L wrote Great information!! The Airspy & N1MM+ Spectrum display is pretty cool. It is radio independent (K3, FTdx500, etc). The cost is $200. It is dead easy! My guess the Flex guys used the software included. So about 12% of the teams used the Airspy HF+. My guess is that you had most of them were using N1MM+. I would also like to know who was using what (radios, software, etc). I have not looked at the web site. If I remember someone did a list for WRTC 2014. I like the Win4K3 suite. For me the missing part is the ability to include the Airspy HF+. I don't use my P3... It will more than likely go back into the box. Will WC2L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
Hi, None of you buddies have heard of LP-PAN and NaP3? No RF splitter needed and NaP3 takes care of all the frequency offsets caused by the bandpass shifting on the K3(S). The latest versions of NaP3 even have cluster spots displayed. AB2TC Knut William Liporace - WC2L wrote > Great information!! The Airspy & N1MM+ Spectrum display is pretty cool. > It is radio independent (K3, FTdx500, etc). The cost is $200. It is > dead easy! My guess the Flex guys used the software included. > > So about 12% of the teams used the Airspy HF+. My guess is that you had > most of them were using N1MM+. I would also like to know who was using > what (radios, software, etc). I have not looked at the web site. If I > remember someone did a list for WRTC 2014. > > I like the Win4K3 suite. For me the missing part is the ability to > include the Airspy HF+. I don't use my P3... It will more than likely go > back into the box. > > Will WC2L > -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
Great information!! The Airspy & N1MM+ Spectrum display is pretty cool. It is radio independent (K3, FTdx500, etc). The cost is $200. It is dead easy! My guess the Flex guys used the software included. So about 12% of the teams used the Airspy HF+. My guess is that you had most of them were using N1MM+. I would also like to know who was using what (radios, software, etc). I have not looked at the web site. If I remember someone did a list for WRTC 2014. I like the Win4K3 suite. For me the missing part is the ability to include the Airspy HF+. I don't use my P3... It will more than likely go back into the box. Will WC2L On 7/26/2018 4:53 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote: My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018. Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their panadapter solutions. My questions were: 1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter? 2) If not the P3 a) which hardware solution did you choose? - e.g. which SDR/splitter etc? b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall display? - e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your logging software? - if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus? c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point & click? Here is the summary: I got 20 replies in total. 6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter. 14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware: Airspy HF+: 8 Funcube Pro USB: 2 SDRplay RSP1A: 1 Winradio: 1 Perseus: 1 other SDR: 1 I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters: commercial splitter: 1 passive T-connector: 1 no details given: 12 The software used was HDSDR: 4 N1MM spectrum display: 3 Writelog spectrum display: 2 SDR-console: 2 SDR-radio.com: 1 no details given: 2 I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2 were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software. 11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse functionality if Elecraft added it. The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution, while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3 and they would therefore stick to it. The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display with mouse support and point & click functionality. This allowed them to more effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new CQ frequency. 73, Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A -- Stefan v. Baltz dl1...@contesting.com http://www.dl1iao.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@wc2l.com -- William Liporace WC2L http://www.wc2l.com or http://dxc.wc2l.com AR-Cluster Node telnet dxc.wc2l.com or 144.93 MHz w...@wc2l.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
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[Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
"Instead I chose one of SDR-based alternatives which does more, better, at lower cost, and - crucially - continues to evolve. Meanwhile, the P3 falls farther behind. " While my TS-590 panadapter solution is not directly related to K3 integration it may be of interest to those considering how to implement a panadapter for a K3. You can find my presentation here - http://www.w7tbc.org/downloads.php?do=file=382. 73, Andy k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
I have point and click tuning with a mouse using the P3 VGA output to a VGA capture board connected through WIN4K3 rig control software. The only use I have for the P3 display is the Transmit Monitor indicators. I also have had discussion with Elecraft in reference to their being stuck with 1960 panadapter functionally with the P3. Thank goodness for WIN4K3.. zeke, AB8OU On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 8:28 AM Ian White wrote: > Thanks to Stefan for surveying opinions of the P3 from the world's top > contesters. > > Three years ago, I asked Elecraft about the possibility of point-and-click > tuning using a mouse plugged into the USB port of the P3SVGA. These were > the key points of Elecraft's reply. > > 1. "The firmware architecture is arranged to control the P3 from the P3 > front panel. The SVGA is controlled by the P3, rather than the other way > around." > Comment: That does seem to be a substantial technical point, although they > also agreed that "anything can be done" (which we must presume to mean, > "given sufficient demand and priority"). > > 2. "You would have to choose between a mouse and a keyboard. The P3SVGA > USB does not support... multiple devices at the same time." > Comment: Not a deal-breaker. > > 3. "Is the knob really that much slower than a mouse?" > Comment: Words failed me! At that point I broke off the conversation. The > gap in understanding was simply too wide. > > Since then I have purchased a second K3; but I did not purchase another > P3. Instead I chose one of SDR-based alternatives which does more, better, > at lower cost, and - crucially - continues to evolve. Meanwhile, the P3 > falls farther behind. > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > > >-Original Message- > >From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- > >boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO > >Sent: 26 July 2018 09:53 > >To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >Subject: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter > >solutions > > > >My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with > >mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018. > >Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative > >solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as > >our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC > >so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their > >panadapter solutions. > > > >My questions were: > >1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter? > >2) If not the P3 > > a) which hardware solution did you choose? > >- e.g. which SDR/splitter etc? > > b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall > >display? > >- e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your > >logging software? > >- if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus? > > c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point & > >click? > > > > > >Here is the summary: > > > >I got 20 replies in total. > > > >6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter. > > > >14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware: > > Airspy HF+: 8 > > Funcube Pro USB: 2 > > SDRplay RSP1A: 1 > > Winradio: 1 > > Perseus: 1 > > other SDR: 1 > > > >I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters: > > commercial splitter: 1 > > passive T-connector: 1 > > > > no details given: 12 > > > >The software used was > > HDSDR: 4 > > N1MM spectrum display: 3 > > Writelog spectrum display: 2 > > SDR-console: 2 > > SDR-radio.com: 1 > > > > no details given: 2 > > > >I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2 > >were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an > >autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software. > > > > > >11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse > >functionality if Elecraft added it. > > > >The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution, > >while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3 > >and they would therefore stick to it. > > > > > >The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope > >functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general > >band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more > >actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterf
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
Thanks to Stefan for surveying opinions of the P3 from the world's top contesters. Three years ago, I asked Elecraft about the possibility of point-and-click tuning using a mouse plugged into the USB port of the P3SVGA. These were the key points of Elecraft's reply. 1. "The firmware architecture is arranged to control the P3 from the P3 front panel. The SVGA is controlled by the P3, rather than the other way around." Comment: That does seem to be a substantial technical point, although they also agreed that "anything can be done" (which we must presume to mean, "given sufficient demand and priority"). 2. "You would have to choose between a mouse and a keyboard. The P3SVGA USB does not support... multiple devices at the same time." Comment: Not a deal-breaker. 3. "Is the knob really that much slower than a mouse?" Comment: Words failed me! At that point I broke off the conversation. The gap in understanding was simply too wide. Since then I have purchased a second K3; but I did not purchase another P3. Instead I chose one of SDR-based alternatives which does more, better, at lower cost, and - crucially - continues to evolve. Meanwhile, the P3 falls farther behind. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-Original Message- >From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- >boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO >Sent: 26 July 2018 09:53 >To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter >solutions > >My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with >mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018. >Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative >solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as >our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC >so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their >panadapter solutions. > >My questions were: >1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter? >2) If not the P3 > a) which hardware solution did you choose? >- e.g. which SDR/splitter etc? > b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall >display? >- e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your >logging software? >- if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus? > c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point & >click? > > >Here is the summary: > >I got 20 replies in total. > >6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter. > >14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware: > Airspy HF+: 8 > Funcube Pro USB: 2 > SDRplay RSP1A: 1 > Winradio: 1 > Perseus: 1 > other SDR: 1 > >I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters: > commercial splitter: 1 > passive T-connector: 1 > > no details given: 12 > >The software used was > HDSDR: 4 > N1MM spectrum display: 3 > Writelog spectrum display: 2 > SDR-console: 2 > SDR-radio.com: 1 > > no details given: 2 > >I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2 >were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an >autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software. > > >11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse >functionality if Elecraft added it. > >The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution, >while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3 >and they would therefore stick to it. > > >The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope >functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general >band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more >actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display >with mouse support and point & click functionality. This allowed them >to more effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new >CQ frequency. > > >73, > >Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A > > >-- >Stefan v. Baltz >dl1...@contesting.com >http://www.dl1iao.com > >___ >___ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
I'm using the SDR Play / RSP1 with HDSDR software. With the RSP1 connected to the IF OUT I find that nothing else is required. Configured in the software, via OmniRig for Sync to Rig and Sync from Rig, I have full point and click mouse control. Click on a signal and the radio goes there. I find this makes for a very economical configuration, and it provides a 2nd receiver, if desired. This allows one to listen to the DX frequency while maintaining a watch on the call frequency. It also allows one to monitor their own signal during transmit. No splitter is required and it does not affect the K3S receiver performance. One cable is connected from the RSP1 to the K3S IF OUT and one cable connected from the RSP1 to the computer. The K3S also connects to the computer with one USB cable. Simple, clean, and economical. 73 Bob, K4TAX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Survey and summary: Elecraft K3/K3S panadapter solutions
My teammate and I decided that we wanted to have a panadapter with mouse support and point & click functionality for WRTC 2018. Unfortunately we did not find the time to build and test alternative solutions to the P3 and consequently decided against an Elecraft K3S as our radio. However, the K3/K3S still was a very popular radio at WRTC so I did a survey on the WRTC-teams mailing list and asked about their panadapter solutions. My questions were: 1) Did you use the P3 as a panadapter? 2) If not the P3 a) which hardware solution did you choose? - e.g. which SDR/splitter etc? b) which software solution and how did you integrate the waterfall display? - e.g. on a separate PC/monitor or on the same PC/monitor as your logging software? - if on the same PC how did you handle the program focus? c) would you use the P3 if Elecraft added mouse support for point & click? Here is the summary: I got 20 replies in total. 6 used the Elecraft P3 panadapter. 14 went with another solution and chose the following hardware: Airspy HF+: 8 Funcube Pro USB: 2 SDRplay RSP1A: 1 Winradio: 1 Perseus: 1 other SDR: 1 I got less detailed answers regarding the use of splitters: commercial splitter: 1 passive T-connector: 1 no details given: 12 The software used was HDSDR: 4 N1MM spectrum display: 3 Writelog spectrum display: 2 SDR-console: 2 SDR-radio.com: 1 no details given: 2 I received very little information on how to integrate the panadapter. 2 were using HDSDR with the logging PC/monitor and used an autohotkey macro to get the focus back to the logging software. 11 (5 of P3 group, 6 of second group) would use the P3’s mouse functionality if Elecraft added it. The remaining 8 of the second group indicated that their solution, while more elaborate, is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the P3 and they would therefore stick to it. The replies also indicated that the native P3 users were using scope functionality predominantly in a passive way, e.g. watching general band activity and signal strengths. Those aiming to use the scope more actively were looking for solutions providing a fixed waterfall display with mouse support and point & click functionality. This allowed them to more effectively do search & pounce, interleave QSOs or click a new CQ frequency. 73, Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A -- Stefan v. Baltz dl1...@contesting.com http://www.dl1iao.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
