[Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
There is one other potential solution. You could possibly run windows as a virtual machine on the Mac. We use Mac laptops but have one program that we need to run which is available for Windows only. We are using Parallels to virtualize Windows XP. Works great for this application. How it would work for any particular logging program I cannot say as I have not tried. In theory this should work. David K0LUM At 9:44 AM -0400 8/24/12, Paul and Sue Huff wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware. Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need. My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a SignaLink USB as an interface. I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote: Any and all opinions would be appreciated. - Bill Frantz| The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Hello Paul, I have a Mac Mini, and I love it. With 8Gb, it is speedy. Windows is Swiss cheese when it comes to security. You can run most Windows programs with software like Wine or CrossOver (which includes Wine). Not all programs work, but many do. Linux is great and I use it on my laptop. I would suggest the Ubuntu 10.04 distribution, NOT the latest one. You can also run Windows along with OSX on a mac, even Linux. Some people manage to install all three on a Mac, but it is a bit tricky. Installing Windows on an Inter based Mac however is pretty straight forward. You choose which system you want to use at boot time. Installing Linux along Windows on a PC is also very easy, the installation program does all the work for you. I have ditched Windows seven years ago and never looked back. Doing so saved me untold amounts of frustration, lost time, data and money. Gil. -- New site: http://radiopreppers.com PGP Key: http://keskydee.com/gil.asc On Aug 24, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
At 09:44 AM 8/24/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Not sure what long in the tooth means exactly related to your present computer. However I know what you mean about the attractiveness of the Mac computers and Apple products in general. Your present computer seems to be filling the bill for you at the present time (ham wise) and it must also fill family needs (apparently). I suggest leaving the present computer in its 'HAM' role in the shack (some upgrades may be possible) and going to a Mac computer of some kind. It will be primarily the 'family' computer and will give you the opportunity to explore its HAM potential in more detail. It is always a positive thing learning to use a different operating system. In the end you will have some answers to your questions, a good family computer, and a dedicated computer in the shack. Which Mac computer to buy is a different question. 73 Jim, VE3CI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
I use a Mac. Actually, I use an iMac-24, a MacBook Pro Laptop, an iPad, and an iPhone. The only software I run on my Macs though are the utility programs for my Elecraft rigs and MacLoggerDX. I use MacLoggerDX for logging only and I do not use it in real-time as I use my radios. I continue to log in my spiral bound notebooks and transfer information to MacLoggerDX every now and then. I don't contest so this is a viable means of logging. If you are a contester I suggest looking at Rumlog. Obviously I am a Mac fanatic but if you are going to use a computer mostly for ham radio applications I submit that the Windows operating system is more suitable as a ton more software is available for Windows. Sure, you can run a VM (Parallels or Fusion) on a Mac or dual-boot for Windows (or Linux or whatever) but if most of your activity is running Windows programs then why spend the premium for a Mac. As far as Linux goes -- I use is daily because we develop systems on Linux but even the best UI on Linux sucks compared to either Windows (e.g. Windows 7 or 8) or Mac (especially Mac). I can't stand more then a few minutes using an X-Windows System UI such as Linux sports (even Ubuntu which is probably the most polished is horrible). 73, phil, K7PEH On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff ph...@mi.rr.com wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Quite a lot of software is available for OSX (iMac OS) now and I think MacLoggerDx is one of the best (although not free) and has a companion version for iPad. It does a lot, including rig control. See http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html There is a forum too http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/dogparklist and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macloggerdx/ For digital modes, there is cocoamodem, very good and has an interface to MacLoggerDX (via OSX scripting language - AppleScript). See http://www.w7ay.net/site/Applications/cocoaModem/index.html (Chen is an ex Apple engineer and all his software is good). There are plenty of other logging programs, including http://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/, http://www.aetherlog.com, http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html (free) and many more. A good place to look is http://machamradio.com which is Devoted entirely to amateur radio operators using macintosh 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) Some tortures are physical / And some are mental, / But the one that is both / Is dental. -Ogden Nash, poet (1902-1971) On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
OH and then if you must use Windows, there are virtual machine systems, like Parellels, that allow you to run Windows on a Mac 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- I am told I talk in shorthand and then smudge it. - J.R.R. Tolkien (1892 - 1973) On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
I have used Macs since 1984... From the the earliest 128k machines to the newest 27 imac's. They all have served me well with out any virus contamination. Four or five years ago I started running windows software on some of my machines. In general that has been a success and I have been pretty happy with the results. Currently I use a program called Crossover to run windows apps. The point of Crossover is that you do not need any Microsoft software running in the background. I suspect that the Apple iPad will find it's way into the ham radio world more and more as time passes Wht? Because it simply works... Really well. Tight integration between the development software and the hardware. Love to write for the iPad and iPhone. Phil Santa Fe KF5ROJ Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware. Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need. My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a SignaLink USB as an interface. I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote: Any and all opinions would be appreciated. - Bill Frantz| The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
I have a Mac Mini as well as a Win7 Dell laptop. The Dell is the ham machine but the Mac could easily fill the bill using Windows 7. I boot it directly to Win7 and no problems. If you are used to a desktop with serial ports you will need to get a good USB/RS232 multi port. There are some good ones. On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff ph...@mi.rr.com wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their software policies make that long term reliability useless. Apple simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that all users purchase each incremental update. In addition, each major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems that are only a four years old) and many application updates require the current OS version. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/24/2012 10:20 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware. Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need. My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a SignaLink USB as an interface. I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote: Any and all opinions would be appreciated. - Bill Frantz| The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Paul, The subject of Mac or PC can sometimes start religious wars; however these days it is possible to have the best of all worlds! A modern Mac can not only run Apple's operating system and software, it can also run either Windows or Linux at the same time. There are excellent applications for the Mac but if you need a windows app, just run one if the virtual machines. The only thing is to remember to specify a lot of memory in your machine. I hope this helps. Sent from my iPhone On 24 Aug 2012, at 14:44, Paul and Sue Huff ph...@mi.rr.com wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their software policies make that long term reliability useless. Apple simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that all users purchase each incremental update. Partly true, but with a major caveat. Point upgrades, e.g. Lion (10.7) to Mountain Lion (10.8) cost a budget busting $20. Updates within that point level (e.g.10.8.1 to 10.8.2) cost nothing. I can purchase a whole lot of future Apple OS upgrades for the price of one copy of Windows 8. In addition, each major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems that are only a four years old) and many application updates require the current OS version. Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit EFI (bios). It has nothing to do with the processor type. My going on 5 year old Core 2 Duo Mac Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8. My 2007 Quad Core Mac Pro does not, because it has a 32-bit (rather than 64-bit) EFI. Time passes, technology changes. You might be able to load Windows 8 on some ancient machine, but getting it to run in any useful way is a completely different issue. And realistically, most computer systems are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year mark. Grant/NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Paul, I'm currently using a MacBook Pro flaptop that I bought to study Apple programming. It's currently running the latest version of OS X, Mountain Lion. The upgrade cost 19.95 and was a non-event. I also run Windows 7 on it under Parallels, a virtual machine. Both ML and Win 7 run at the same time. On the Mac side I settled on RUMLog for logging and CocoaModem for digi work. RUMLog can use either CCM or FLDigi. No interface needed, just two audio cables. I tried MacLoggerDX and preferred RUMLog. IMHO, better support. Both have rig control, RUMLog doesn't have rotor control...yet. The Mac's have a single jack for audio in and out. The simple solution is a iMic dongle which splits 'em. The Apple operating system is a civilized layer over the savagery of Linux. I tried Linux on an extra flaptop and could never get it going to my satisfaction. The least expensive new Mac is the Mini. 73, Mike NF4L On 8/24/12 9:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Check the Elecraft mail reflector archives for information This topic has been beaten to death many times before. Lots of information, and tons of misinformation. Technically, there's lots of choices, make the one best for you. 73, Bill K9YEQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
On 08/24/2012 06:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff wrote: BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. You can grab a live image, put it on a USB stick and boot from there. This way you can try it out without installing it on your hard drive. You can even keep running it this way permanently but it would run a bit slower than from hard drive. The two most common distros are Fedora and Ubuntu. Info on the live images can be found from: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/index.html#Introduction http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/try-ubuntu-before-you-install Ubuntu might be a bit user friendlier but Fedora is certainly more customizable. I believe both include hamlib that supports K2, K3/KX3 etc. Jussi Eloranta (AA6KJ) ps. Fedora ham radio guide is at: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/Amateur_Radio_Guide/index.html but it is missing important things like cqrlog (which I use with my K3; see www.cqrlog.com). There is also a short intro for ubuntu for hams at http://www.arrl.org/ubuntu-linux-for-hams. Also a ham oriented spin off of ubuntu is available: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kb1oiq-andysham/; you might be able to run this off of a usb stick too. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
I have found the Mac to be an excellent choice. For those programs that I really need from my old PC, I run under CrossOvere ($59.95) where ther run as Mac apps with no switching back and forth. I have found the Navigator to be an excellent interface satisfying every need for serial port, cw keyer etc. Personally, I would not even consider going back to a PC. Logging: MacLogger DX Digital Modes: FLDigi CW: Flwkey and WK24Mac (which I wrote) 73s Jim W4ATK 59 years of hammin' it up On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Paul and Sue Huff ph...@mi.rr.com wrote: Please forgive me for a slightly off-topic post but I know that the collective wisdom of the people on this list can give me a lot of good advice. My shack computer is getting a little long in the tooth and I am starting to research a replacement machine. My current ham usage for the computer consists of logging and some digital work, but future rig control could be something that I would be interested in doing. Recent experience with a new iPad has created a very positive impression for me regarding Apple products but I know that in the old days most ham radio software was designed for Windows only. So my question is this - Are there now good choices available for ham radio software (logging, digital, rig control) that will run on OSx computers? BTW, I know that Linux is a popular operating system for ham radio these days but I don't really know anything about it. I can certainly try to learn, however the computer has other uses in the family and so I would need to be able to easily switch it back into it's standard manufacturers configuration for my wife who is even less techie than I am. Any and all opinions would be appreciated. 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit EFI (bios). It has nothing to do with the processor type. My going on 5 year old Core 2 Duo Mac Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8. My 2007 Quad Core Mac Pro does not, because it has a 32-bit (rather than 64-bit) EFI. Time passes, technology changes. You might be able to load Windows 8 on some ancient machine, but getting it to run in any useful way is a completely different issue. And realistically, most computer systems are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year mark. Windows XP was a screamer on a 2 GHz Core 2 Duo, Vista was a hotrod on that processor, Windows 7 is the most stable operating system ever on that platform ... all on a four year old Mac Mini that Apple will not support with Mountain Lion. Even the Windows 8 preview runs just fine on another system with similar processor/RAM although it could probably benefit from another couple GB of RAM. I certainly do not consider those systems ancient by any means *but* it means that I will not be running OS-X on anything for a long time. I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 and enjoy the far greater choice of amateur software as well. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/24/2012 11:10 AM, Grant Youngman wrote: While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their software policies make that long term reliability useless. Apple simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that all users purchase each incremental update. Partly true, but with a major caveat. Point upgrades, e.g. Lion (10.7) to Mountain Lion (10.8) cost a budget busting $20. Updates within that point level (e.g.10.8.1 to 10.8.2) cost nothing. I can purchase a whole lot of future Apple OS upgrades for the price of one copy of Windows 8. In addition, each major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems that are only a four years old) and many application updates require the current OS version. Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit EFI (bios). It has nothing to do with the processor type. My going on 5 year old Core 2 Duo Mac Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8. My 2007 Quad Core Mac Pro does not, because it has a 32-bit (rather than 64-bit) EFI. Time passes, technology changes. You might be able to load Windows 8 on some ancient machine, but getting it to run in any useful way is a completely different issue. And realistically, most computer systems are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year mark. Grant/NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Joe, This is simply wrong. While Apple releases incremental OS upgrades about once a year, Apple doesn't require anyone, let alone all users, to buy an upgrade. I waited over a year before I upgraded to Snow Leopard (10.6) and have no plans to upgrade to Mountain Lion (10.8) any time soon. My Macs run fine, and Apple is not nagging me to update the OS in my old Mac Mini, which is running 10.5. If you have an old Mac, run the older OSs. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS. 73, Scott, N9AA On 8/24/12 10:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their software policies make that long term reliability useless. Apple simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that all users purchase each incremental update. In addition, each major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems that are only a four years old) and many application updates require the current OS version. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Sorry, I don't agree Joe - there are regular 'point' upgrades that are free, easy to download and install, but you don't have to upgrade if you don't wish too. The major version upgrades (10.5 - 10.6 - 10.7 - 10.8) are paid for, but then so are the windows equivalents. you don't have to upgrade and while it's true older hardware doesn't support the latest OS, you can go a long way with older hardware and software before it becomes a problem. The latest OSX 10.8 (Mountain Lion) will run on an iMac a MacBook Pro from mid 2007 (other models from later dates). I'm running an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo from Aug 2007 and ML will run on that. There are few applications (if any) that 'require' ML, a few do require Lion, but then is been around since 2011, most apps run on 10.6 (Snow Leopard) with no problems and that’s been around since August 2009. My experience (and it's extensive on many OS) is that windows sytems 'time out' faster than Apple ones. 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. -Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel laureate (1879-1955) On 24 Aug 2012, at 15:56, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their software policies make that long term reliability useless. Apple simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that all users purchase each incremental update. In addition, each major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems that are only a four years old) and many application updates require the current OS version. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/24/2012 10:20 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware. Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need. My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a SignaLink USB as an interface. I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote: Any and all opinions would be appreciated. - Bill Frantz| The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
My Macs run fine, and Apple is not nagging me to update the OS in my old Mac Mini, which is running 10.5. If you have an old Mac, run the older OSs. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS. You can't upgrade to Mountain Lion from Leopard (10.5) as Apple will not allow that. The user *must* upgrade through each major version if the hardware will support it. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS. But there's the rub ... one can't stay current with even incremental upgrades and bug fixes on many applications without staying current on the operating system upgrades. Apple enforces that with iTunes (needed to sync iPad, etc.) and in the support for development systems by what is available in the software libraries (equivalent to Windows DLLs). Try running the *current version* of MacLoggerDX on Lion. There is no reason for removing support from the new operating systems other than to force upgrades. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/24/2012 11:44 AM, Scott Manthe wrote: Joe, This is simply wrong. While Apple releases incremental OS upgrades about once a year, Apple doesn't require anyone, let alone all users, to buy an upgrade. I waited over a year before I upgraded to Snow Leopard (10.6) and have no plans to upgrade to Mountain Lion (10.8) any time soon. My Macs run fine, and Apple is not nagging me to update the OS in my old Mac Mini, which is running 10.5. If you have an old Mac, run the older OSs. You'll also probably have to run some older programs on it as well, but Apple doesn't require you to upgrade your OS. 73, Scott, N9AA On 8/24/12 10:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. While Apple has a good reputation for reliable hardware, their software policies make that long term reliability useless. Apple simply updates the operating system so often - and requires that all users purchase each incremental update. In addition, each major version upgrade will not run on less than current hardware (e.g. Mountain Lion will not run on Intel Core2 Duo systems that are only a four years old) and many application updates require the current OS version. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I'm running an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo from Aug 2007 and ML will run on that. Not on my Core2 Duo Mac Minis. My experience (and it's extensive on many OS) is that windows sytems 'time out' faster than Apple ones. Far from it ... there are still a lot of Windows XP systems in service today (and Microsoft is still maintaining Extended Support for XP) but very few OS-X 10.1/10.2/10.3 systems still out there. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/24/2012 12:08 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: Sorry, I don't agree Joe - there are regular 'point' upgrades that are free, easy to download and install, but you don't have to upgrade if you don't wish too. The major version upgrades (10.5 - 10.6 - 10.7 - 10.8) are paid for, but then so are the windows equivalents. you don't have to upgrade and while it's true older hardware doesn't support the latest OS, you can go a long way with older hardware and software before it becomes a problem. The latest OSX 10.8 (Mountain Lion) will run on an iMac a MacBook Pro from mid 2007 (other models from later dates). I'm running an iMac Intel Core 2 Duo from Aug 2007 and ML will run on that. There are few applications (if any) that 'require' ML, a few do require Lion, but then is been around since 2011, most apps run on 10.6 (Snow Leopard) with no problems and that’s been around since August 2009. My experience (and it's extensive on many OS) is that windows sytems 'time out' faster than Apple ones. 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I was not happy with Parallels on my iMac. I run Boot Camp which comes with OSX and I find it runs flawlessly. Really helps to save on desk space just to have the space of a monitor. HTH 73 de Eric, KG6MZS On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:17 AM, David Christ wrote: There is one other potential solution. You could possibly run windows as a virtual machine on the Mac. We use Mac laptops but have one program that we need to run which is available for Windows only. We are using Parallels to virtualize Windows XP. Works great for this application. How it would work for any particular logging program I cannot say as I have not tried. In theory this should work. David K0LUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac. Tony KT0NY -- http://www.isb.edu/faculty/facultydir.aspx?ddlFaculty=352 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Also note that identical specs does not mean identical performance or hardware... Anyone who has actually switched from one of those 60% Windows machines to a Mac soon understands the differences. 73, Scott, N9AA On 8/24/12 1:15 PM, Tony Estep wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
A big thank you to all of the responses that I have received both on and off the list regarding my question about Windows vs. Mac ham radio usage. I'm not sure that additional list bandwidth needs to be taken up with a continuation of this topic but I would still appreciate any additional thoughts sent to me off-list. I'm several months away from any decision but I just like to ask all the questions first rather than regret the results later! Thanks again and 73, Paul - N8XMS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Paul, Their are lots of good posts here to help you out. I have a couple more pluses for the Mac... - Operating system software can used on more than one Mac at a time. No need to buy a new copy or contact Apple when installing on another Mac. Great for trying various hardware. - Mac OS is now sold through the App Store. I paid $20 once and it upgraded all three of my Macs. (Better than $100+ per PC for Windows!) - Hardly any threats from malware. Many of us don't bother to run scanning software -YMMV! It's always a good idea to monitor a couple of Mac news sites to keep on top of things, though. - Simple sound interface for digital modes using Griffin iMic. (Should work with PC too, I understand) - All Elecraft software (that I know of) is available in a Mac native version My shack Setup... - Mac Mini, 8Gb memory, OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion - MacLoggerDX for rig control and logging - Elecraft software for KX3 Utilities and W2 wattmeter on-screen display - Griffin iMic for sound interface with rigs or iPad - cocoaModem for digital modes - iPad with iSDR for KX3 band-scope and MacLoggerDX HD - Parallels 7 Desktop with Windows 7 (mainly to run PowerSDR for Flex 1500) Also have... - Mac PowerBook Pro 13 laptop, OS x 10.8, Parallels 7 Desktop with Windows XP (just in case) - HP Pavilion with AMD Athlon II and Windows 7 (bought to try a recommended PC for Flex) - Acer NetBook with XT (handy portable for Windows ham utilities, when required) - A couple of older Macs (yes they still work fine without the latest OS) - A couple of Ubuntu Linux installations (not much ham support) I'd be glad to chat off-line if I can offer you any help in your decision. Lyn - KC8I PS - Life is too short to do Windows! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Im a perenial believer in MS Windows. But I do have a Mac... An old 2004 vintage Dual G5 that I run Final Cut Pro on to edit video. It still works just fine for what I need, but I cannot run any newer FCP versions past 5.1.7 as they only run on the new Intel platform Mac... But I had that at work and its a really nice machine... The hardware is a work of art! Machines of any kind are not obsolete until they stop doing what you want to do! Disclaimer... Im a contester. For logging, I have not found anything in either Mac OS or Linux that can beat either WinTest or N1MM for functionality. So the decision is pretty easy for me... Windows is the OS of choice at W4LT, running N1MM Logger 98% of the time. As far as hardware age, I have a slew of cast off from work Dell GX280's. These were literally thrown away from my former employer, and I gave them a good home. They are circa 2004 vintage with 3.4Ghz hyperthreading Pentium 4's and 2GB of RAM and a 40GB HD. They have dual monitor cards and GigE LAN, too. This is what I use for both my personal machine, the machine that runs my WinRadio, my local Cluster using VE7CC and both my wife and my own personal desktop, each dedicated to their own purpose. These older boxes all run Win XP SP3 (one is running Win7, another one is slated to run Win8 (when my MS employed Brother in Law gets me a copy) and they do everything I have ever needed to do. These boxes run Elecraft apps just fine, do rig control with MicroHam uRouter and run N1MM perfectly. These can be purchased on the internet from several off lease vendors for the cost of the OS... You basically get the hardware for free. Our club also runs 5 of these machines in all 5 operating positions and has done so for three years now with no complaints. Before you go and spend $3k on a new Mac, consider spending $170 (or less, in my case, $0) for some off lease hardware that usually comes with a licensed copy of the OS and see how that works for you. It works for me here and at our Multi-2 operation at the Tampa Amateur Radio Club just fine. I strongly recommend that you get a machine and dedicate it to Ham Radio applications... This is the way to go not only for safety, but for maximum flexibility. Hardware is getting so cheap now that its real easy to use dedicated machines for dedicated uses. And you end up getting to be pretty good at setting up workgroups while youre at it! Lu Romero - W4LT Tampa - K3/P3/K1 Riding out the two storms... Issac and the RNC! Message: 26 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:40:10 -0400 From: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 5037a05a.4000...@subich.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mountain Lion will not run on machines that have a 32-bit EFI (bios). It has nothing to do with the processor type. My going on 5 year old Core 2 Duo Mac Book Pro runs just fine with 10.8. My 2007 Quad Core Mac Pro does not, because it has a 32-bit (rather than 64-bit) EFI. Time passes, technology changes. You might be able to load Windows 8 on some ancient machine, but getting it to run in any useful way is a completely different issue. And realistically, most computer systems are getting pretty ancient at the 5 year mark. Windows XP was a screamer on a 2 GHz Core 2 Duo, Vista was a hotrod on that processor, Windows 7 is the most stable operating system ever on that platform ... all on a four year old Mac Mini that Apple will not support with Mountain Lion. Even the Windows 8 preview runs just fine on another system with similar processor/RAM although it could probably benefit from another couple GB of RAM. I certainly do not consider those systems ancient by any means *but* it means that I will not be running OS-X on anything for a long time. I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 and enjoy the far greater choice of amateur software as well. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
I use crossover too, but it will not run programs like HRD or K3EZ, so be aware of that. Laptops etc are so inexpensive these days, that you can use a different one for each OS to see what you like and prefer or learn to use esp with Linux. Many laptops are now being released with dual HDD's which work well with dual boot using Linux grub to decide the OS is the best way to go. Adrian ... vk4tux -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Townsend Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 12:44 AM To: Bill Frantz Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac I have used Macs since 1984... From the the earliest 128k machines to the newest 27 imac's. They all have served me well with out any virus contamination. Four or five years ago I started running windows software on some of my machines. In general that has been a success and I have been pretty happy with the results. Currently I use a program called Crossover to run windows apps. The point of Crossover is that you do not need any Microsoft software running in the background. I suspect that the Apple iPad will find it's way into the ham radio world more and more as time passes Wht? Because it simply works... Really well. Tight integration between the development software and the hardware. Love to write for the iPad and iPhone. Phil Santa Fe KF5ROJ Sent from my iPad On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote: Apple hardware has a very good reputation for reliability and ability to work in harsh environments. There are several ways to run at least two operating systems on one computer, so having dual-boot, windows and OSx is a common way of using the hardware. Make sure the system you get has the I/O configuration you need. My MacBook Pro has a single audio port, which can be configured for either input or output. I havent' figured out how to use it for computer digital modes (my favorite modes), so I use a SignaLink USB as an interface. I use RUMlog for logging, and cocoaModem for digital modes under OSx. I used RUMped for contest logging during field day and liked it. I don't have any experience with any of the Windows ham radio software, so don't ask for comparisons. :-) Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 8/24/12 at 6:44, ph...@mi.rr.com (Paul and Sue Huff) wrote: Any and all opinions would be appreciated. - Bill Frantz| The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
Let's end this thread at this time, due to its exceeding the normal reasonable level of posts in a day. 73, Eric Elecraft List Moderator www.elecraft.com _..._ On Aug 24, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Scott Manthe scott.man...@gmail.com wrote: Also note that identical specs does not mean identical performance or hardware... Anyone who has actually switched from one of those 60% Windows machines to a Mac soon understands the differences. 73, Scott, N9AA On 8/24/12 1:15 PM, Tony Estep wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: ...I will probably wipe the Apple operating systems from the Mac Minis in the house and convert them to Windows 7 or Windows 8 And for those who like this idea, note that you can buy a Windows machine with identical specs for about 60% of the price of a Mac. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Windows vs Mac
An OS, by itself, is useless without user level tools and applications. When considering Windows vs. Mac OS vs. Linux, you must consider what apps you intend to use with it. I am a UNIX/Linux bigot. I also like MacOS. But, I use Windows in my ham shack. Windows is, by far, the most well supported platform for ham radio applications. Yes, I could run them in a virtual machine or an emulator in another OS, but why? Don't pick your OS first. Choose the apps you want first and see what the common denominator OS is among those applications. Chances are it will be Windows. Don't play religion with OSes. You will be doing yourself a BIG disservice. Be pragmatic. 73, Tony K4QE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
