[Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
...VFO automatically offset... when switching between SSB and CW... On VHF and UHF, SSB and CW are used interchangeably... Good work, Bill! Non-6m ops don't quite understand the problem, complicated by the fact that normal CW is on LSB, making us ex-Yaesu drivers crazy. I've solved the offset problem for now by using my PRO III on 6m (has the spectrum display, too :-) VE7XF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
Ralph Parker wrote: Good work, Bill! Non-6m ops don't quite understand the problem, complicated by the fact that normal CW is on LSB, making us ex-Yaesu drivers crazy. I often find myself wandering around the CW end of 20m in the wrong mode, then finding that I lose the station after switching to CW. So I don't understand why this is being discussed as of benefit only to VHF operators. I have managed to implement the VFO shift when changing modes to/from CW in the next version of KComm. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Workaround-for-providing-automatic-SSB-%3C-%3E-CW-VFO-offset-tp3069153p3069446.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
I have discovered one gotcha in my workaround, and that is the inability to lock the B VFO knob -- the KNOB, not the VFO -- because if you accidentally touch it, you lose the 700 Hz offset. I've been training myself not to touch it, but it would be nice if there was a way to lock it down so it wouldn't do anything. Removing the knob and epoxying the shaft seems a little extreme. ;-) Perhaps a function that does this could be implemented that could be invoked from one of the PF function buttons. Of course, all of this is moot if the VFO mode-switching behavior gets fixed so it works correctly in the first place. I have faith that Wayne will eventually get to it. But the Elecraft folk do tend to respond to the squeakiest wheel first, so if this behavior is at all important to you, please let Wayne know. Otherwise he will continue to think I'm the only nutcase who cares about it. :-) While we're on the subject -- Is there anyone else here besides me who thinks that the normal CW tuning behavior should reflect the default SSB sideband for a given frequency band? In other words, instead of always tuning like LSB, the CW mode would tune like LSB on 160, 80, and 40, and would tune like USB on all other bands. CW REV would reverse this default correlation. Seems more intuitive to me than the way it is now. Bill W5WVO Julian, G4ILO wrote: Ralph Parker wrote: Good work, Bill! Non-6m ops don't quite understand the problem, complicated by the fact that normal CW is on LSB, making us ex-Yaesu drivers crazy. I often find myself wandering around the CW end of 20m in the wrong mode, then finding that I lose the station after switching to CW. So I don't understand why this is being discussed as of benefit only to VHF operators. I have managed to implement the VFO shift when changing modes to/from CW in the next version of KComm. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
Bill, I for one have to disagree with you on the CW sideband item. From day one of my hamming days, I have always wanted CW to tune so the higher pitches were higher in frequency than lower pitched signals (blame that on my early elmer). So I have come to relate the audio pitch to the relative frequency - which means LSB CW for all bands. Yes, I know SSB is different, but SSB is different than CW. 73, Don W3FPR Bill W5WVO wrote: I have discovered one gotcha in my workaround, and that is the inability to lock the B VFO knob -- the KNOB, not the VFO -- because if you accidentally touch it, you lose the 700 Hz offset. I've been training myself not to touch it, but it would be nice if there was a way to lock it down so it wouldn't do anything. Removing the knob and epoxying the shaft seems a little extreme. ;-) Perhaps a function that does this could be implemented that could be invoked from one of the PF function buttons. Of course, all of this is moot if the VFO mode-switching behavior gets fixed so it works correctly in the first place. I have faith that Wayne will eventually get to it. But the Elecraft folk do tend to respond to the squeakiest wheel first, so if this behavior is at all important to you, please let Wayne know. Otherwise he will continue to think I'm the only nutcase who cares about it. :-) While we're on the subject -- Is there anyone else here besides me who thinks that the normal CW tuning behavior should reflect the default SSB sideband for a given frequency band? In other words, instead of always tuning like LSB, the CW mode would tune like LSB on 160, 80, and 40, and would tune like USB on all other bands. CW REV would reverse this default correlation. Seems more intuitive to me than the way it is now. Bill W5WVO Julian, G4ILO wrote: Ralph Parker wrote: Good work, Bill! Non-6m ops don't quite understand the problem, complicated by the fact that normal CW is on LSB, making us ex-Yaesu drivers crazy. I often find myself wandering around the CW end of 20m in the wrong mode, then finding that I lose the station after switching to CW. So I don't understand why this is being discussed as of benefit only to VHF operators. I have managed to implement the VFO shift when changing modes to/from CW in the next version of KComm. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.65/2171 - Release Date: 06/12/09 05:55:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
Bill W5WVO wrote: I have discovered one gotcha in my workaround, and that is the inability to lock the B VFO knob -- the KNOB, not the VFO -- because if you accidentally touch it, you lose the 700 Hz offset. I've been training myself not to touch it, but it would be nice if there was a way to lock it down so it wouldn't do anything. Removing the knob and epoxying the shaft seems a little extreme. ;-) Perhaps a function that does this could be implemented that could be invoked from one of the PF function buttons. Of course, all of this is moot if the VFO mode-switching behavior gets fixed so it works correctly in the first place. I have faith that Wayne will eventually get to it. But the Elecraft folk do tend to respond to the squeakiest wheel first, so if this behavior is at all important to you, please let Wayne know. Otherwise he will continue to think I'm the only nutcase who cares about it. :-) While we're on the subject -- Is there anyone else here besides me who thinks that the normal CW tuning behavior should reflect the default SSB sideband for a given frequency band? In other words, instead of always tuning like LSB, the CW mode would tune like LSB on 160, 80, and 40, and would tune like USB on all other bands. CW REV would reverse this default correlation. Seems more intuitive to me than the way it is now. Bill W5WVO Julian, G4ILO wrote: Ralph Parker wrote: Good work, Bill! Non-6m ops don't quite understand the problem, complicated by the fact that normal CW is on LSB, making us ex-Yaesu drivers crazy. I often find myself wandering around the CW end of 20m in the wrong mode, then finding that I lose the station after switching to CW. So I don't understand why this is being discussed as of benefit only to VHF operators. I have managed to implement the VFO shift when changing modes to/from CW in the next version of KComm. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Hello Bill, I am with you on needing a way to be able to switch back and forth from CW to USB on 6m, and I also use CW-R for this. However, I like to keep my B VFO free for other things - like quickly QSYing off the calling frequency by just switching to the other VFO. I think the neat way to switch to CW and back to SSB again would be to somehow define your steps as a macro and program it into some hot key so you could automatically do all the steps quickly and without error by just pressing a single button. I don't know if this is possible with the K3, but I imagine that it is. While we are on the subject, I still would like to see use footswitch operators be able to send CW to SSB operators, like the VOX people do ;-) VY 73, Lance -- Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex: WN3GPL, WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8) P.O. Box 73 Frenchtown, MT 59834 USA QTH: DN27UB TEL: (406) 626-5728 URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
Bill, you can lock VFO B by going into BSET mode, then holding LOCK. If the VFOs are linked, this preserves VFO B tracking. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Bill W5WVO wrote: I have discovered one gotcha in my workaround, and that is the inability to lock the B VFO knob -- the KNOB, not the VFO -- because if you accidentally touch it, you lose the 700 Hz offset. I've been training myself not to touch it, but it would be nice if there was a way to lock it down so it wouldn't do anything. --- http://www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
Wayne, This is why I emphasized the KNOB, not the VFO. When you swap VFOs A and B by pressing the A/B button, the locked status follows what was originally VFO B and now becomes VFO A. What we want here is for the VFO B KNOB (i.e., the middle one) to stay locked, regardless of which VFO frequency it is controlling, because moving it changes the 700 Hz offset when VFO B is not locked. If the locked status didn't follow the frequency from VFO B to VFO A, it would work to prevent accidentally corrupting the offset. However, that is clearly not the way LOCK was designed to work. Bill W5WVO wayne burdick wrote: Bill, you can lock VFO B by going into BSET mode, then holding LOCK. If the VFOs are linked, this preserves VFO B tracking. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Bill W5WVO wrote: I have discovered one gotcha in my workaround, and that is the inability to lock the B VFO knob -- the KNOB, not the VFO -- because if you accidentally touch it, you lose the 700 Hz offset. I've been training myself not to touch it, but it would be nice if there was a way to lock it down so it wouldn't do anything. --- http://www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
Ah...QSL. Rather than fix this problem, I think I'll just endeavor to add the desired pitch offset when switching modes, like you originally wanted :) 73, Wayne N6KR On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Bill W5WVO wrote: Wayne, This is why I emphasized the KNOB, not the VFO. When you swap VFOs A and B by pressing the A/B button, the locked status follows what was originally VFO B and now becomes VFO A. What we want here is for the VFO B KNOB (i.e., the middle one) to stay locked, regardless of which VFO frequency it is controlling, because moving it changes the 700 Hz offset when VFO B is not locked. If the locked status didn't follow the frequency from VFO B to VFO A, it would work to prevent accidentally corrupting the offset. However, that is clearly not the way LOCK was designed to work. Bill W5WVO wayne burdick wrote: Bill, you can lock VFO B by going into BSET mode, then holding LOCK. If the VFOs are linked, this preserves VFO B tracking. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Bill W5WVO wrote: I have discovered one gotcha in my workaround, and that is the inability to lock the B VFO knob -- the KNOB, not the VFO -- because if you accidentally touch it, you lose the 700 Hz offset. I've been training myself not to touch it, but it would be nice if there was a way to lock it down so it wouldn't do anything. --- http://www.elecraft.com --- http://www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
Excellent! :-) Bill wayne burdick wrote: Ah...QSL. Rather than fix this problem, I think I'll just endeavor to add the desired pitch offset when switching modes, like you originally wanted :) 73, Wayne N6KR On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Bill W5WVO wrote: Wayne, This is why I emphasized the KNOB, not the VFO. When you swap VFOs A and B by pressing the A/B button, the locked status follows what was originally VFO B and now becomes VFO A. What we want here is for the VFO B KNOB (i.e., the middle one) to stay locked, regardless of which VFO frequency it is controlling, because moving it changes the 700 Hz offset when VFO B is not locked. If the locked status didn't follow the frequency from VFO B to VFO A, it would work to prevent accidentally corrupting the offset. However, that is clearly not the way LOCK was designed to work. Bill W5WVO wayne burdick wrote: Bill, you can lock VFO B by going into BSET mode, then holding LOCK. If the VFOs are linked, this preserves VFO B tracking. 73, Wayne N6KR On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Bill W5WVO wrote: I have discovered one gotcha in my workaround, and that is the inability to lock the B VFO knob -- the KNOB, not the VFO -- because if you accidentally touch it, you lose the 700 Hz offset. I've been training myself not to touch it, but it would be nice if there was a way to lock it down so it wouldn't do anything. --- http://www.elecraft.com --- http://www.elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
A number of VHF ops on the list (myself included) have been lobbying for some time for a feature that is standard on most or all HF+VHF Ikensu rigs: the ability to have the VFO automatically offset by the amount of the BFO pitch when switching between SSB and CW. This capability is typically of little interest to HF operators, where SSB and CW are rigidly separated into two distinct sub-bands. On VHF and UHF, SSB and CW are used interchangeably, as needed, on the same (SSB) frequencies. I've already had extensive discussions with Wayne about this; the problem is, due to the software design architecture of the K3, it's not as easy to implement as it sounds like it should be. The performance objective for switching from SSB to CW (CW to SSB is simply the reverse) is for ONE button tap to accomplish: (a) shifting the VFO frequency up (or down) 700 Hz (nominal pitch) (b) switching the K3 from USB to CW REV (or from LSB to CW) (c) bringing into play a pre-configured set of CW characteristics that go with the transmission mode The workaround I've come up with accomplishes this, at the expense of having a free VFO B to play with. On VHF/UHF, however, there is virtually no split operation (except satellites), so this isn't as big a deal as it sounds like. Here's how to do it, assuming USB and a pitch offset of 700 Hz (substitute your own pitch setting if not 700): (1) Set MODE to USB, and set up all desired RX characteristics for this mode in the normal fashion. (2) Set display resolution to FINE so it displays Hz (three decimal places). (3) Tap A/B button, and repeat Step 2. (4) Now set each VFO in turn (select using the A/B button) such that one is zeroed out (xx.xxx.000), and the other displays xx.xxx.700. (5) Hold SUB and notice that the display says LINK. The two VFOs are now locked together and will track 700 Hz apart. (6) Use the A/B button to select the VFO with the +700 Hz offset. This will be your CW VFO. (7) Set MODE to CW REV, which will give you the same tuning direction as USB. (8) Set up all desired RX characteristics for this mode in the normal fashion. This completes the setup. From now on, a tap of the A/B button will switch from USB to CW REV or from CW REV to USB, and the VFO will automatically be set to the correct frequency, removing the requirement of retuning to acquire the signal. RIT can still be used in the normal manner, but the offset will be carried on RX when switching from one VFO to the other. Depending on what you're trying to do, this may or may not be a good thing. Just be mindful of the behavior. Please critique these instructions if you find anything unclear. Bill W5WVO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
It looks like the difference between this process and send CW while in SSB which was added a while ago, is that with this you switch to the CW filters. Is that right? Peter N8MHD On 6/11/09, Bill W5WVO w5...@cybermesa.net wrote: A number of VHF ops on the list (myself included) have been lobbying for some time for a feature that is standard on most or all HF+VHF Ikensu rigs: the ability to have the VFO automatically offset by the amount of the BFO pitch when switching between SSB and CW. This capability is typically of little interest to HF operators, where SSB and CW are rigidly separated into two distinct sub-bands. On VHF and UHF, SSB and CW are used interchangeably, as needed, on the same (SSB) frequencies. I've already had extensive discussions with Wayne about this; the problem is, due to the software design architecture of the K3, it's not as easy to implement as it sounds like it should be. The performance objective for switching from SSB to CW (CW to SSB is simply the reverse) is for ONE button tap to accomplish: (a) shifting the VFO frequency up (or down) 700 Hz (nominal pitch) (b) switching the K3 from USB to CW REV (or from LSB to CW) (c) bringing into play a pre-configured set of CW characteristics that go with the transmission mode The workaround I've come up with accomplishes this, at the expense of having a free VFO B to play with. On VHF/UHF, however, there is virtually no split operation (except satellites), so this isn't as big a deal as it sounds like. Here's how to do it, assuming USB and a pitch offset of 700 Hz (substitute your own pitch setting if not 700): (1) Set MODE to USB, and set up all desired RX characteristics for this mode in the normal fashion. (2) Set display resolution to FINE so it displays Hz (three decimal places). (3) Tap A/B button, and repeat Step 2. (4) Now set each VFO in turn (select using the A/B button) such that one is zeroed out (xx.xxx.000), and the other displays xx.xxx.700. (5) Hold SUB and notice that the display says LINK. The two VFOs are now locked together and will track 700 Hz apart. (6) Use the A/B button to select the VFO with the +700 Hz offset. This will be your CW VFO. (7) Set MODE to CW REV, which will give you the same tuning direction as USB. (8) Set up all desired RX characteristics for this mode in the normal fashion. This completes the setup. From now on, a tap of the A/B button will switch from USB to CW REV or from CW REV to USB, and the VFO will automatically be set to the correct frequency, removing the requirement of retuning to acquire the signal. RIT can still be used in the normal manner, but the offset will be carried on RX when switching from one VFO to the other. Depending on what you're trying to do, this may or may not be a good thing. Just be mindful of the behavior. Please critique these instructions if you find anything unclear. Bill W5WVO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Workaround for providing automatic SSB CW VFO offset
Correct, as well as having QSK mode available! Peter Wollan wrote: It looks like the difference between this process and send CW while in SSB which was added a while ago, is that with this you switch to the CW filters. Is that right? Peter N8MHD On 6/11/09, Bill W5WVO w5...@cybermesa.net wrote: A number of VHF ops on the list (myself included) have been lobbying for some time for a feature that is standard on most or all HF+VHF Ikensu rigs: the ability to have the VFO automatically offset by the amount of the BFO pitch when switching between SSB and CW. This capability is typically of little interest to HF operators, where SSB and CW are rigidly separated into two distinct sub-bands. On VHF and UHF, SSB and CW are used interchangeably, as needed, on the same (SSB) frequencies. I've already had extensive discussions with Wayne about this; the problem is, due to the software design architecture of the K3, it's not as easy to implement as it sounds like it should be. The performance objective for switching from SSB to CW (CW to SSB is simply the reverse) is for ONE button tap to accomplish: (a) shifting the VFO frequency up (or down) 700 Hz (nominal pitch) (b) switching the K3 from USB to CW REV (or from LSB to CW) (c) bringing into play a pre-configured set of CW characteristics that go with the transmission mode The workaround I've come up with accomplishes this, at the expense of having a free VFO B to play with. On VHF/UHF, however, there is virtually no split operation (except satellites), so this isn't as big a deal as it sounds like. Here's how to do it, assuming USB and a pitch offset of 700 Hz (substitute your own pitch setting if not 700): (1) Set MODE to USB, and set up all desired RX characteristics for this mode in the normal fashion. (2) Set display resolution to FINE so it displays Hz (three decimal places). (3) Tap A/B button, and repeat Step 2. (4) Now set each VFO in turn (select using the A/B button) such that one is zeroed out (xx.xxx.000), and the other displays xx.xxx.700. (5) Hold SUB and notice that the display says LINK. The two VFOs are now locked together and will track 700 Hz apart. (6) Use the A/B button to select the VFO with the +700 Hz offset. This will be your CW VFO. (7) Set MODE to CW REV, which will give you the same tuning direction as USB. (8) Set up all desired RX characteristics for this mode in the normal fashion. This completes the setup. From now on, a tap of the A/B button will switch from USB to CW REV or from CW REV to USB, and the VFO will automatically be set to the correct frequency, removing the requirement of retuning to acquire the signal. RIT can still be used in the normal manner, but the offset will be carried on RX when switching from one VFO to the other. Depending on what you're trying to do, this may or may not be a good thing. Just be mindful of the behavior. Please critique these instructions if you find anything unclear. Bill W5WVO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
