Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues
FWIW... LP-Bridge blocks the commands used by K3 Utility because I don't want anyone trying to flash new firmware through LP-Bridge. I am of the opinion that flashing firmware should only be done by a direct connection to the K3. This was a conscious choice. I have talked to Dick about ways to possibly open up LP-Bridge for other functions of Utility, but haven't had time to address this. To handle many of the terminal functions of K3 Utility, users can run a program like K-Keys on one of the virtual ports. Programs like VSPE pass all traffic from all apps to the K3. Any and all traffic will be sent to the K3, asynchronously as it is received from all apps. There are several potential problems with this. First, you could wind up with scrambled commands, second you will wind up with a high degree of duplication of commands and thirdly you can wind up with multiple apps sending competing meta commands, AIx, K2x and K3x, to the K3. LP-Bridge blocks meta commands and puts the rig into a fixed state. It blocks all polling requests for the most common commands and instead does the polling for these commands itself. Since it already knows the state of each of these params, it can answer each app individually and asynchronously from memory. It only allows less often used commands to pass directly to the rig. This dramatically reduces the traffic to the K3. There is a limit to how much traffic the K3 can handle, and exceeding this limit can, or at least has in the past, caused issues... like loss of ALC during transmit during long transmissions. There are always trade-offs, but my imprimatur is to protect the rig while allowing app sharing. Is it the perfect solution for every need? No, nothing is. 73, Larry N8LP On 3/16/2013 11:37 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 13:32:25 -0400 From: david Moesdm...@nexicom.net To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues Message-ID:5144aca9.9080...@nexicom.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey Don How about VSPEIve often wondered if it passes everything. Its simplicity makes me think that it possibly more efficient which may be a bad assumption. Ive not had any issues with it and while I would not use it while upgrading firmware or calibrations etc. I do use it using terminal etc with the K3 Utilities. On 3/16/2013 08:49, Don Wilhelm wrote: The K3 and P3 Utility programs should not be run through LP Bridge. LP-Bridge does not transfer everything used by the Utilities. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2013 8:38 AM, david Moes wrote: You should be able to run one and only one additional application to the P3. Once you have one application connected to the P3 serial port, that application blocks any other applications from using the serial port the K3 the P3 are using. So if you are trying to use the same serial port for more than one software application it will not use the P3 port. It will give you a port in use error message. Isn't LP-Bridge going to allow more than one application to talk to the serial port? I thought that is one of its main purposes. alternatively and much simpler than LP-Bridge to solve this you can use vspe from eterlogic. This can create a splitter to allow any number off applications to access a virtual port that is all routed into one physical Comm port. works for me. I often have logger32, MMSSTV FLDIGI all working at once.I can even have K3 utilities and K3eze all connected at the same time using VSPE. All that said it seems that the OP cant even connect one program. Id also check that that all the cabling is correct. IE PC to P3 and P3 to K3 aren't reversed. try removing the P3 from the picture just to double check that the serial port to K3 is working. also shut down LPbridge and try using the port directly with only K3 utilities using that port. I am not totally familiar with LP bridge so I am not sure if there is extra configuration if using the P3. 73 David Moes dm...@nexicom.net VE3DVY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues
A little confusing...maybe just me... But, the K3 and P3 are on the same port and you can only have one of the utilities open at a time. K3 or P3 but not both at the same time. Chuck, KE9UW AARL, CCA Lionel Trains TCA, LCCA, LRRC aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles BMWRA, BMWMOA #224 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Tom H Childers [n...@n5ge.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 PM To: eric manning Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues Eric, You should be able to run one and only one additional application to the P3. Once you have one application connected to the P3 serial port, that application blocks any other applications from using the serial port the K3 the P3 are using. So if you are trying to use the same serial port for more than one software application it will not use the P3 port. It will give you a port in use error message. 73, Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:58:27 -0700, eric manning emann...@cs.uvic.ca wrote: I have a Windows XP box connected to my K3 using a USB port on the box and a Prolific USB-to-Serial adapter. It all works FB, N1MM Logger and SKimmer talk to the K3 via LP Bridge and the USB/serial link perfectly, including N1MM keying the rig. THEN I hooked up my nice new P3 today. It talks to the K3 FB - it gets freq data from the K3 and sends VFO changes to the K3. Everything else I've tested on the P3 also seems to work FB. HOWEVER, the PC cannot talk to the K3 THROUGH the P3 - via either the Prolific USB/serial link - or via a purely RS-232 link using the serial port on the windows box, which I also tried. [Just in case it was a USB incompatibility issue] K3 Utility running in the Windows box polls the K3 via the link and the P3 and gets no response. Everything is set to 38,400 baud, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. The P3 is running the firmware which was installed at Elecraft, it was shipped to me a week ago. Any suggestions - please? Eric VA7DZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues
You should be able to run one and only one additional application to the P3. Once you have one application connected to the P3 serial port, that application blocks any other applications from using the serial port the K3 the P3 are using. So if you are trying to use the same serial port for more than one software application it will not use the P3 port. It will give you a port in use error message. Isn't LP-Bridge going to allow more than one application to talk to the serial port? I thought that is one of its main purposes. alternatively and much simpler than LP-Bridge to solve this you can use vspe from eterlogic. This can create a splitter to allow any number off applications to access a virtual port that is all routed into one physical Comm port. works for me. I often have logger32, MMSSTV FLDIGI all working at once.I can even have K3 utilities and K3eze all connected at the same time using VSPE. All that said it seems that the OP cant even connect one program. Id also check that that all the cabling is correct. IE PC to P3 and P3 to K3 aren't reversed. try removing the P3 from the picture just to double check that the serial port to K3 is working. also shut down LPbridge and try using the port directly with only K3 utilities using that port. I am not totally familiar with LP bridge so I am not sure if there is extra configuration if using the P3. 73 David Moes dm...@nexicom.net VE3DVY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues
The K3 and P3 Utility programs should not be run through LP Bridge. LP-Bridge does not transfer everything used by the Utilities. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2013 8:38 AM, david Moes wrote: You should be able to run one and only one additional application to the P3. Once you have one application connected to the P3 serial port, that application blocks any other applications from using the serial port the K3 the P3 are using. So if you are trying to use the same serial port for more than one software application it will not use the P3 port. It will give you a port in use error message. Isn't LP-Bridge going to allow more than one application to talk to the serial port? I thought that is one of its main purposes. alternatively and much simpler than LP-Bridge to solve this you can use vspe from eterlogic. This can create a splitter to allow any number off applications to access a virtual port that is all routed into one physical Comm port. works for me. I often have logger32, MMSSTV FLDIGI all working at once.I can even have K3 utilities and K3eze all connected at the same time using VSPE. All that said it seems that the OP cant even connect one program. Id also check that that all the cabling is correct. IE PC to P3 and P3 to K3 aren't reversed. try removing the P3 from the picture just to double check that the serial port to K3 is working. also shut down LPbridge and try using the port directly with only K3 utilities using that port. I am not totally familiar with LP bridge so I am not sure if there is extra configuration if using the P3. 73 David Moes dm...@nexicom.net VE3DVY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues
Hey Don How about VSPEIve often wondered if it passes everything. Its simplicity makes me think that it possibly more efficient which may be a bad assumption. Ive not had any issues with it and while I would not use it while upgrading firmware or calibrations etc. I do use it using terminal etc with the K3 Utilities. On 3/16/2013 08:49, Don Wilhelm wrote: The K3 and P3 Utility programs should not be run through LP Bridge. LP-Bridge does not transfer everything used by the Utilities. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2013 8:38 AM, david Moes wrote: You should be able to run one and only one additional application to the P3. Once you have one application connected to the P3 serial port, that application blocks any other applications from using the serial port the K3 the P3 are using. So if you are trying to use the same serial port for more than one software application it will not use the P3 port. It will give you a port in use error message. Isn't LP-Bridge going to allow more than one application to talk to the serial port? I thought that is one of its main purposes. alternatively and much simpler than LP-Bridge to solve this you can use vspe from eterlogic. This can create a splitter to allow any number off applications to access a virtual port that is all routed into one physical Comm port. works for me. I often have logger32, MMSSTV FLDIGI all working at once.I can even have K3 utilities and K3eze all connected at the same time using VSPE. All that said it seems that the OP cant even connect one program. Id also check that that all the cabling is correct. IE PC to P3 and P3 to K3 aren't reversed. try removing the P3 from the picture just to double check that the serial port to K3 is working. also shut down LPbridge and try using the port directly with only K3 utilities using that port. I am not totally familiar with LP bridge so I am not sure if there is extra configuration if using the P3. 73 David Moes dm...@nexicom.net VE3DVY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues
I have a Windows XP box connected to my K3 using a USB port on the box and a Prolific USB-to-Serial adapter. It all works FB, N1MM Logger and SKimmer talk to the K3 via LP Bridge and the USB/serial link perfectly, including N1MM keying the rig. THEN I hooked up my nice new P3 today. It talks to the K3 FB - it gets freq data from the K3 and sends VFO changes to the K3. Everything else I've tested on the P3 also seems to work FB. HOWEVER, the PC cannot talk to the K3 THROUGH the P3 - via either the Prolific USB/serial link - or via a purely RS-232 link using the serial port on the windows box, which I also tried. [Just in case it was a USB incompatibility issue] K3 Utility running in the Windows box polls the K3 via the link and the P3 and gets no response. Everything is set to 38,400 baud, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. The P3 is running the firmware which was installed at Elecraft, it was shipped to me a week ago. Any suggestions - please? Eric VA7DZ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues
It may be a baud rate issue. You can change the baud rate of the PC-to-PC link in a MENU entry in the P3 called RS232. Note that changing the baud rate of the K3 doesn't do anything when the P3 is connected. The P3 will change it right back to 38400. The baud rate that the computer sees is the one that is set in the P3 menu. Alan N1AL On 3/15/2013 5:58 PM, eric manning wrote: I have a Windows XP box connected to my K3 using a USB port on the box and a Prolific USB-to-Serial adapter. It all works FB, N1MM Logger and SKimmer talk to the K3 via LP Bridge and the USB/serial link perfectly, including N1MM keying the rig. THEN I hooked up my nice new P3 today. It talks to the K3 FB - it gets freq data from the K3 and sends VFO changes to the K3. Everything else I've tested on the P3 also seems to work FB. HOWEVER, the PC cannot talk to the K3 THROUGH the P3 - via either the Prolific USB/serial link - or via a purely RS-232 link using the serial port on the windows box, which I also tried. [Just in case it was a USB incompatibility issue] K3 Utility running in the Windows box polls the K3 via the link and the P3 and gets no response. Everything is set to 38,400 baud, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. The P3 is running the firmware which was installed at Elecraft, it was shipped to me a week ago. Any suggestions - please? Eric VA7DZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] computer - P3 - K3 communications blues
Eric, You should be able to run one and only one additional application to the P3. Once you have one application connected to the P3 serial port, that application blocks any other applications from using the serial port the K3 the P3 are using. So if you are trying to use the same serial port for more than one software application it will not use the P3 port. It will give you a port in use error message. 73, Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:58:27 -0700, eric manning emann...@cs.uvic.ca wrote: I have a Windows XP box connected to my K3 using a USB port on the box and a Prolific USB-to-Serial adapter. It all works FB, N1MM Logger and SKimmer talk to the K3 via LP Bridge and the USB/serial link perfectly, including N1MM keying the rig. THEN I hooked up my nice new P3 today. It talks to the K3 FB - it gets freq data from the K3 and sends VFO changes to the K3. Everything else I've tested on the P3 also seems to work FB. HOWEVER, the PC cannot talk to the K3 THROUGH the P3 - via either the Prolific USB/serial link - or via a purely RS-232 link using the serial port on the windows box, which I also tried. [Just in case it was a USB incompatibility issue] K3 Utility running in the Windows box polls the K3 via the link and the P3 and gets no response. Everything is set to 38,400 baud, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. The P3 is running the firmware which was installed at Elecraft, it was shipped to me a week ago. Any suggestions - please? Eric VA7DZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
