Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
Hi Thom, No problem. Thanks! What portions did you split it up into? Send my your link and I'll add this to our web page. Please reply directly so we don;t clog up the list any more. :-) 73, Eric === Thom LaCosta wrote: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: Thom, Please do not do this. We are updating the manual on a rapid basis and can not afford to have it propagate in older versions. Its also copyrighted and we do not want copies placed on other sites. I've only sent the link to two testersso I'll take it down. I thought it might be a help for folks stuck with dialup. Of course, you could offer the split version yourelf...which would keep it in your control and accomodate folks. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re:[Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, W2AGN wrote: A little reminder that you ARE dealing with a company, not the "Ham next door." Thanks Johnwe can always count on you to make a positive attempt to improve things. k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re:[Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > >> Thom, >> >> Please do not do this. We are updating the manual on a rapid basis and can >> not afford to have it propagate in older versions. Its also copyrighted and >> we do not want copies placed on other sites. > > I've only sent the link to two testersso I'll take it down. I thought it > might be a help for folks stuck with dialup. Of course, you could offer the > split version yourelf...which would keep it in your control and accomodate > folks. > > 73 k3hrn > Thom,EIEIO > Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer A little reminder that you ARE dealing with a company, not the "Ham next door." -- --- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QRPariahs/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: Thom, Please do not do this. We are updating the manual on a rapid basis and can not afford to have it propagate in older versions. Its also copyrighted and we do not want copies placed on other sites. I've only sent the link to two testersso I'll take it down. I thought it might be a help for folks stuck with dialup. Of course, you could offer the split version yourelf...which would keep it in your control and accomodate folks. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
Thom, Please do not do this. We are updating the manual on a rapid basis and can not afford to have it propagate in older versions. Its also copyrighted and we do not want copies placed on other sites. 73, Eric WA6HHQ --- Thom LaCosta wrote: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Thom LaCosta wrote: If someone were to supply a high-def version of the manual, I can attempt to split it into chunks and find a place where is can be downloaded. I've split the Hi-Res manual into chunks and placed it for public download. Before I announce the URL, I need a few folks to do a test download to insure that I haven't painted myself in the corner or painted a bullseye on the back of downloaders. Send me an email if you want to test the concept and I'' send a help file. 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Thom LaCosta wrote: If someone were to supply a high-def version of the manual, I can attempt to split it into chunks and find a place where is can be downloaded. I've split the Hi-Res manual into chunks and placed it for public download. Before I announce the URL, I need a few folks to do a test download to insure that I haven't painted myself in the corner or painted a bullseye on the back of downloaders. Send me an email if you want to test the concept and I'' send a help file. 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
- Original Message - From: "Thom LaCosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If someone were to supply a high-def version of the manual, I can attempt to split it into chunks and find a place where is can be downloaded. Same offer here - I have enough capacity. Simon HB9DRV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Bill W5WVO wrote: are a lot of customers whose only practical Internet solution is still modem dial-up, not necessarily because of the expense of broadband, but because broadband simply isn't available short of satellite (very expensive by comparison, and not all that broad anyway). One only need to look at many of the software distribition modelsfor years when I was dialup only I would download 100 meg plus applications...the authors used utilities that split large application into chunks that could be re-assembled my the downloader. Back in the bad old days, one could split a large application into pieces that would live on a floppyI used to distribute software to my customers who had only 360 kb drives. Elecraft could also make use of many of the free(but one gets to ignore ad content) file sharing services, so there would be no load on their servers. If someone were to supply a high-def version of the manual, I can attempt to split it into chunks and find a place where is can be downloaded. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I hope you'll forgive me for frustrating you with fuzzy preliminary pictures, and I do hope you're pleased with the manual you get with your K3. Ron AC7AC You are. I am. The 2.9 Mb that I downloaded looks good enough to put a K3 together and have it work. Good job. 73HankK8DD -- --- If God intended you to be on single sideband, he would have given you only one nostril. - Steve, K2PTS (SK) --- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
Fred, I was the one who decided what was "good enough" for the preliminary images so everyone could have a preview peek at the manual. I had expected Eric to post both the large and small Acrobat files, but even the large file doesn't compare to what can be done. The small file was intended for those who cannot access the internet with a broadband connection. At least they could see what it'll look like, if not as clearly as it will appear in the printed manual. When it comes to file size and image resolution, there is no "free lunch". More detail requires more pixels. More pixels require a larger file. A lot of amazing things have been accomplished with compression schemes that reduce the file size without losing apparent detail. They fool the eye into seeing a sharper image than is really there. Of course I used those compression methods throughout. But that's not why you saw fuzzy images. As everyone knows, the reason shipment of the K3 has been delayed is because of vendor delays with critical components. The K3 I used to write the assembly procedures is no exception. If you look closely you'll see a "dummy board" where the KNB3 noise blanker goes. That's even easier to see now since Wayne asked me this morning to provide a more "final" version of the overall K3 (Figure 1) to replace the quick, temporary image I had used while awaiting a KNB3. That image now lacks "keystoning" and has much improved resolution. The size of the Acrobat file also increased substantially because of that one page. To shorten the time between final parts and shipment, I shot a lot of pictures, such as the original Figure 1, as "place holders" until I had the production parts on hand to shoot the final photos. We're close, but I'm still adding and editing. Fortunately, these days it takes very little time to produce printed, bound copies to support shipments. I am making full use of the delays to tweak and (hopefully) improve the documentation. Eric and Wayne were balancing everyone's desire for a "peek" with what I had available a few days ago. The printed images will be every bit as good as any you've seen in other Elecraft manuals. Other manuals I've written for Wayne and Eric that lean on photographs include the full set of XV manuals, and the assembly procedures in the KX1 manual. The difference here is that we have over 150 photos in the K3 Assembly manual (including the illustrated parts list). I try to choose the resolution that produces a nice image showing what is needed without making the document file overly large. I hope you'll forgive me for frustrating you with fuzzy preliminary pictures, and I do hope you're pleased with the manual you get with your K3. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- It's not a matter of " can't please all of the .." regarding the LOW REZ almost FUZZY photos. In 2007 there is not need to take photos which are not clear, almost whatever the rez is set to. My Canon A95 takes much clearer digital photos, at all resolutions. In FINAL MANUAL - can someone retake the photos, and get clear crisp ones? 200k or 300k photos, are normally MUCH clearer than these. If I have to build the K3, using identification with some of these fuzzy photos - perhaps I'd better buy the finished K3 instead of the kit I ordered. If the K3 Manual goes to 30meg, that is not a problem for many of us. And the rest, can buy a HIGH RESOLUTION PHOTOS version, from Elecraft, or sign up for roadrunner cable. If you're running AOL or Earthlink - you shouldn't even be trying to read the manual. Fred, de N3CSY Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&c s=bz ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
Hopefully the actual kit will contain a PRINTED manual with normal high resolution photos. This copy of the manual is a PRELIMINARY one, and as has been pointed out, it is quite normal to reduce the resolution of images in web documents so that the many people who don't have unlimited broadband connections can download them without tying up the phone for hours, -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/11/07, Fred (FL) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not a matter of " can't please all of the .." > regarding the LOW REZ almost FUZZY photos. In 2007 > there is not need to take photos which are not clear, > almost whatever the rez is set to. My Canon A95 > takes much clearer digital photos, at all > resolutions. In FINAL MANUAL - can someone retake > the photos, and get clear crisp ones? > > 200k or 300k photos, are normally MUCH clearer > than these. > > If I have to build the K3, using identification > with some of these fuzzy photos - perhaps I'd > better buy the finished K3 instead of the > kit I ordered. > > If the K3 Manual goes to 30meg, that is not > a problem for many of us. And the rest, can > buy a HIGH RESOLUTION PHOTOS version, from > Elecraft, or sign up for roadrunner cable. > > If you're running AOL or Earthlink - you > shouldn't even be trying to read the > manual. > > Fred, > de N3CSY > > > > > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
I hear you, Fred. And I personally would fall into the camp that would prefer a 30MB manual with high-res photos. :-) But as a tech writer for a major silicon valley semiconductor company, I know that PDF file size is always a bone of contention. Short of offering two different versions of the manual (and I don't know of anyone who has actually done that), I doubt there's any way to meet everybody's expectations. Especially in the amateur market, there are a lot of customers whose only practical Internet solution is still modem dial-up, not necessarily because of the expense of broadband, but because broadband simply isn't available short of satellite (very expensive by comparison, and not all that broad anyway). Since the US is practically a generation behind most other industrial countries in the universal deployment of a true broadband infrastructure, and seems politically indisposed to pull development of this vital national resource into the public sector where it rightfully belongs, I don't expect this situation to change in the near future. Bill / W5WVO Fred (FL) wrote: It's not a matter of " can't please all of the .." regarding the LOW REZ almost FUZZY photos. In 2007 there is not need to take photos which are not clear, almost whatever the rez is set to. My Canon A95 takes much clearer digital photos, at all resolutions. In FINAL MANUAL - can someone retake the photos, and get clear crisp ones? 200k or 300k photos, are normally MUCH clearer than these. If I have to build the K3, using identification with some of these fuzzy photos - perhaps I'd better buy the finished K3 instead of the kit I ordered. If the K3 Manual goes to 30meg, that is not a problem for many of us. And the rest, can buy a HIGH RESOLUTION PHOTOS version, from Elecraft, or sign up for roadrunner cable. If you're running AOL or Earthlink - you shouldn't even be trying to read the manual. Fred, de N3CSY Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
... and Elecraft's server would probably have gone down under the load of 1,000 x 30MB near-simultaneous downloads! :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 9/11/07, Bill W5WVO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave, > > This manual if made > with full-resolution photos would probably be about 30 MB rather than 3 MB. > Most people wouldn't like that ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Pre Release Manual
Dave, The resolution of photo graphics in a PDF file is not usually a function of the camera -- it's usually a functon of a trade-off made by the tech writer between high resolution and a manageable PDF file size. This manual if made with full-resolution photos would probably be about 30 MB rather than 3 MB. Most people wouldn't like that, some people would. You can't please all the people all the time... :-) Bill / W5WVO David Yarnes wrote: I downloaded mine (with no problem from Eric's first post), and I have skimmed through it. Looks pretty good to me. My only complaint, from that limited "look-see", is that just about all the photographs seem pretty marginal. They are certainly good enough for the purpose of showing what needs to be connected to what, etc., but they sure lack sharpness. I wonder what camera they used? I would suggest an upgrade. But, alas, this is the "Assembly Manual", and not the "Operating Manual". I suspect most were hoping for the latter. But the assembly manual did confirm one thing for sure--no soldering iron required! At least I didn't see anything saying you would need one, but I might have missed something. Obviously though, we are getting closer--much closer hopefully. I've been spending the summer up on the Oregon coast, and for much of it I've been wondering if I should give Elecraft a different shipping address. But it now appears I will be back in Arizona by the time the radio ships, so not to worry I guess. this causes me to have another serious concern. What if the radio comes just when I really need to be spending time removing all the weeds that have probably invaded my yard over the summer? Decisions! Decisions! Guess which task will be put on the back burner Dave W7AQK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
