Re: [Elecraft] CW - Living language (RE: Prosign confusion)
>> The "shave and a haircut" business started in the 1950's, and generally >> indicated that the user was a lid. >How things changenow it's a contest or something like that. -- More about the Barbershop Contest at: http://www.io.com/~n5fc/barbershop_contest.htm Lots of K2s and K1s in there de Joe, K5ESE aka AA4NN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW - Living language (RE: Prosign confusion)
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, w2agn wrote: Thom R LaCosta wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Vic K2VCO wrote: The "shave and a haircut" business started in the 1950's, and generally indicated that the user was a lid. How things changenow it's a contest or something like that. Not changed that much. Still lids. N N M A Thom www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW - Living language (RE: Prosign confusion)
On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Darwin, Keith wrote: It used to be one would say oops by sending 8 dits in a row. Now, I routinely hear a couple of short odd spaced dits instead. I suppose it works but it is more risky. This phenomenon is actually a very interesting and natural evolution to cw's conversational style. When sending at relatively slow speeds, particularly -- but not only -- with a straight key, the 8- dits error sign made a good contrast and served psychologically to clean the slate for a fresh start. When sending with a keyer, however, at higher speeds (say 25 wpm or above -- and certainly above 30 wpm), the string of dits no longer provides the kind of contrast that makes the mind say, whoa, let's do that again, and instead often just sounds like unintended noise. Indeed it a couple of well spaced dots that do provide this contrast, and hence serve better to the purpose. I think this notion grew naturally and independently to a large number of operators, and I suspect it is going to stay. As Keith says, "it is more risky," but this risk can all but be removed if the sender takes the pains not to make the dots "oddly spaced" but rather, say, three dits spaced evenly with the between-word spacing. best wishes, dave belsley, w1euy ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW - Living language (RE: Prosign confusion)
Thom R LaCosta wrote: On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Vic K2VCO wrote: The "shave and a haircut" business started in the 1950's, and generally indicated that the user was a lid. How things changenow it's a contest or something like that. Not changed that much. Still lids. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW - Living language (RE: Prosign confusion)
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Vic K2VCO wrote: The "shave and a haircut" business started in the 1950's, and generally indicated that the user was a lid. How things changenow it's a contest or something like that. Thom www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW - Living language (RE: Prosign confusion)
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Darwin, Keith wrote: Way OT: I copied a guy on 40 SSB a couple of days ago complaining about his Icom rig. He called it a "RAY-diddey-oh". Oh boy, did I hate that. I felt like interrupting with "hey good buddy, ya got yer ears on?". Ah the joys of CW. In some areas it would be pronounced "Rah-Did-e-oh"...expecially when we're waiting for the man to come down the chimbly in Dezember. Thom www.baltimorehon.com ... where we prove you talk funny. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW - Living language (RE: Prosign confusion)
Darwin, Keith wrote: Some examples of morse as a living language. In the mid 70's, when I first started, QSOs were ended with "Shave and a hair cut" to which the other replied "2 bits". Of course it was all done by sending dits to the rhythm. I went QRT for several years. When I came back in the mid 80's the exchanged was shortened to just the "2 bits" part, hence the adding of the little "dit dit" to the end of a QSO. Not exactly. Dit dit was used by commercial/military operators to indicate that the contact on a particular frequency was finished. After sending the *last* transmission before going QRT or moving to another frequency to pass traffic, an operator would send "dit dit". The other would respond, indicating that he understood and was also finished. The "shave and a haircut" business started in the 1950's, and generally indicated that the user was a lid. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] CW - Living language (RE: Prosign confusion)
When I was learning CW I made the mistake of telling my kindergarten class about this novice custom, and the entire school bus began chanting "dit-diddle-it-dit" until I got off. Despite this early trauma, I managed to get my license. Bill W9ZN, the CW powerhouse of Chicago, will happily do the whole dit-diddle-it-dit with you, and send EISH5 and BENS BEST BENT WIRE/5 too. Leigh/WA5ZNU On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:27 am, Darwin, Keith wrote: Some examples of morse as a living language. In the mid 70's, when I first started, QSOs were ended with "Shave and a hair cut" to which the other replied "2 bits". Of course it was all done by sending dits to the rhythm. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
