Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Likewise, I don't want Are you sure ? messages. What would suit me would be a few scratch memories that are unprotected. Maybe a setting under the VFOB Menu display which could switched from Protect/Unprotect for the other memories that I had spent some time setting up. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Fri, 30 May 2008 20:18:03 +0100, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: At the risk of offending someone - computers (and the K3 has a certain amount of that) should be programmed to serve humanity and not the other way around. I've been in IT 39 years and there was a time when I accepted that a human might have to work a certain way or act a certain way in order for the computer program to best succeed. This is no longer the case and I don't accept that any program is so limited that it makes it difficult for the human. This is what the basis of all modern computing should be. That goes for the K3 too, which by the way I love and am NOT complaining about, but I would prefer some form of confirmation step before I overwrite a memory. This does not need to be a sting of 'Are You Sure', 'Are You Really Sure You Want To, 'Are you sure you DONT want too'! - just something like a contiguous two button press or one button twice is sufficient and that should be configurable for those that don't want that feature. /RANT 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
That sounds like the best option so far Stewart, allow us to mark a memory as read-only in some way as we save it and then to overwrite it, you have to flip the switch to write-enable. Default all memories to write-enable and that way all those who don't want this feature just ignore it and those that do can use it and we can choose which memories it applies to, as we set them. Now I'd like the feature, but not at the expense of other more pressing issues. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- If you must play, decide on three things at the start: the rules of the game, the stakes, and the quitting time. -Chinese Proverb On 31 May 2008, at 08:15, Stewart Baker wrote: Likewise, I don't want Are you sure ? messages. What would suit me would be a few scratch memories that are unprotected. Maybe a setting under the VFOB Menu display which could switched from Protect/Unprotect for the other memories that I had spent some time setting up. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Kent, There's a balance between asking for design changes and carping and it's sometimes hard to know where to draw the line... Note my original message just stated the problem I had without stating a possible solution... I'll leave that to Elecraft, as they are still actively developing the software for the front panel UI. Channelized tuning (for example, for 60m or for mobile) was something that was said to be on the list for a future version. It's not the most important area to attend to right now (that's probably the 2ND RX) but it should get done. And when it does, some kind of look at the whole channel/memory/tuning thing is called for. By the way, I also own a KX1 and a K2, and have spent considerably time with a K1 as well. 73 es TNX, Leigh/WA5ZNU Guys . . . This is much ado about nothing. Just LEARN how the K3 does memory storage and retrieval and it will become second-nature to you. During the first week or two following assembly I overwrote some memories a time or two myself . . . until I trained myself not to. In the nine months since, I have not overwritten anything. As has been said for a full year now, the K3 is a complicated piece of gear. At least initially. A complicated radio requires understanding and effort on the owner's part. If you wish not to exert the required effort (no shame in that), there are several good entry-level rigs out there by competent manufacturers, both foreign and domestic. But there is no reason to demand reinvention of the front panel and associated circuitry merely because you find certain features awkward at first. K9ZTV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Guys . . . This is much ado about nothing. Just LEARN how the K3 does memory storage and retrieval and it will become second-nature to you. During the first week or two following assembly I overwrote some memories a time or two myself . . . until I trained myself not to. In the nine months since, I have not overwritten anything. As has been said for a full year now, the K3 is a complicated piece of gear. At least initially. A complicated radio requires understanding and effort on the owner's part. If you wish not to exert the required effort (no shame in that), there are several good entry-level rigs out there by competent manufacturers, both foreign and domestic. But there is no reason to demand reinvention of the front panel and associated circuitry merely because you find certain features awkward at first. K9ZTV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
K9ZTV wrote: Guys . . . This is much ado about nothing. Just LEARN how the K3 does memory storage and retrieval and it will become second-nature to you. During the first week or two following assembly I overwrote some memories a time or two myself . . . until I trained myself not to. In the nine months since, I have not overwritten anything. As has been said for a full year now, the K3 is a complicated piece of gear. At least initially. A complicated radio requires understanding and effort on the owner's part. If you wish not to exert the required effort (no shame in that), there are several good entry-level rigs out there by competent manufacturers, both foreign and domestic. But there is no reason to demand reinvention of the front panel and associated circuitry merely because you find certain features awkward at first. With respect Kent, (and I know your email was not aimed at me) I did not ask for any such reinvention of the front panel. I simply stated that it is easy (and frustrating) to overwrite memories. I am also not afraid of exerting myself to learn the radio. My point is that it should not be possible to 'accidentally' overwrite a memory. I do not need multiple stacking thingummies or anything like that, I simply want to be able to put memories in there and not be able to overwrite them by not concentrating enough. During a contest or some other frantic time, my brain does not always cover every eventuality. Come to think of it, it is not that much good at other times :) As an Elecraft lover for over 6 years I have no wish to use another radio. I simply wish to be able to use my K3 as easily as possible and as it is basically firmware driven, I see no problem in wishing the radio to cover my humanity. If nobody asked for functionality or reported issues, the K3 would not be where it is today. 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
- Original Message From: Ian J Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] K9ZTV wrote: Guys . . . This is much ado about nothing. Just LEARN how the K3 does memory storage and retrieval and it will become second-nature to you. With respect Kent, (and I know your email was not aimed at me) I did not ask for any such reinvention of the front panel. I simply stated that it is easy (and frustrating) to overwrite memories. I am also not afraid of exerting myself to learn the radio. My point is that it should not be possible to 'accidentally' overwrite a memory. I do not need multiple stacking thingummies or anything like that, I simply want to be able to put memories in there and not be able to overwrite them by not concentrating enough. During a contest or some other frantic time, my brain does not always cover every eventuality. Come to think of it, it is not that much good at other times :) As an Elecraft lover for over 6 years I have no wish to use another radio. I simply wish to be able to use my K3 as easily as possible and as it is basically firmware driven, I see no problem in wishing the radio to cover my humanity. If nobody asked for functionality or reported issues, the K3 would not be where it is today. 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 end quote Hear, hear -- Well said, Ian. HankK8DD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
At the risk of offending someone - computers (and the K3 has a certain amount of that) should be programmed to serve humanity and not the other way around. I've been in IT 39 years and there was a time when I accepted that a human might have to work a certain way or act a certain way in order for the computer program to best succeed. This is no longer the case and I don't accept that any program is so limited that it makes it difficult for the human. This is what the basis of all modern computing should be. That goes for the K3 too, which by the way I love and am NOT complaining about, but I would prefer some form of confirmation step before I overwrite a memory. This does not need to be a sting of 'Are You Sure', 'Are You Really Sure You Want To, 'Are you sure you DONT want too'! - just something like a contiguous two button press or one button twice is sufficient and that should be configurable for those that don't want that feature. /RANT 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- I never did a day's work in my life; it was all fun. -Thomas Edison On 30 May 2008, at 18:20, hank k8dd wrote: I see no problem in wishing the radio to cover my humanity ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote: For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a memory (on of the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have), rotated the VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the memory with the current VFO setting. Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention paid to the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but probably also for general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner has suggested the VFO B knob for this.), making it harder to overwrite, etc. I *totally* agree Leigh! My brain gets mixed up between the two and this started to frustrate me so much that I have stopped using the memories. I had set up to use band switching this way and for channel hopping on 60m but I kept overwriting them. Please can we have a more robust way of protecting the memories? 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
I think people are saying it's to easy to tap the wrong button? I for one have done this a couple of times. I've also been in cONFIG and then held PF2 - wishing to use the function on it and of course overwritten the function with whichever CONFIG option I'm on at the time. It's my fault of course, just finger hassle, but it happens - perhaps a confirmation press, like needing to press AFX to confirm? -- The rung of a ladder was never meant to rest upon, but only to hold a man's foot long enough to enable him to put the other somewhat higher. -Thomas Henry Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1995) On 29 May 2008, at 09:52, Ken K3IU wrote: I guess I don't understand and so far I only use the memories for bandswitching. Isn't tapping V-M *supposed* to write whatever is in the VFO to whatever memory is selected. What am I missing??? 73, Ken K3IU ~ Ian J Maude wrote: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote: For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a memory (on of the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have), rotated the VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the memory with the current VFO setting. Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention paid to the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but probably also for general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner has suggested the VFO B knob for this.), making it harder to overwrite, etc. I *totally* agree Leigh! My brain gets mixed up between the two and this started to frustrate me so much that I have stopped using the memories. I had set up to use band switching this way and for channel hopping on 60m but I kept overwriting them. Please can we have a more robust way of protecting the memories? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Although there are some young people coming into the hobby, a large proportion (myself included) are of the more senior variety. I find that it is far too easy when it comes to using the K3 memories to press the wrong button, and overwrite something one wanted to keep. This action is normally followed by Blast or some similar expletive !! My tired brain cannot come up with how it might be made more difficult for this to occur, but I'm sure someone else can.. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:31:17 +0100, Ian J Maude wrote: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote: For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a memory (on of the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have), rotated the VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the memory with the current VFO setting. Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention paid to the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but probably also for general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner has suggested the VFO B knob for this.), making it harder to overwrite, etc. I *totally* agree Leigh! My brain gets mixed up between the two and this started to frustrate me so much that I have stopped using the memories. I had set up to use band switching this way and for channel hopping on 60m but I kept overwriting them. Please can we have a more robust way of protecting the memories? 73 Ian ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
I guess I don't understand and so far I only use the memories for bandswitching. Isn't tapping V-M *supposed* to write whatever is in the VFO to whatever memory is selected. What am I missing??? 73, Ken K3IU ~ Ian J Maude wrote: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote: For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a memory (on of the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have), rotated the VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the memory with the current VFO setting. Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention paid to the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but probably also for general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner has suggested the VFO B knob for this.), making it harder to overwrite, etc. I *totally* agree Leigh! My brain gets mixed up between the two and this started to frustrate me so much that I have stopped using the memories. I had set up to use band switching this way and for channel hopping on 60m but I kept overwriting them. Please can we have a more robust way of protecting the memories? 73 Ian ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Thinking about the old tape recorders: it was made harder to over-record an existing recording by having to press 2 buttons at once. Is this possible? David G3UNA - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
might be worthwhile keeping some memories that don't require that - I keep 00 to 09 for storing some frequency i want to come back to shortly - I'm not using M1-M4 for that since I store various frequency in them for the band - like start of band, start of SSB, end of SSB etc more suggestions? -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -Arthur C Clarke, science fiction writer (1917-2008) On 29 May 2008, at 12:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about the old tape recorders: it was made harder to over- record an existing recording by having to press 2 buttons at once. Is this possible? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
How about a single level 'undo' or 'Recycle Bin' that saves the last modified memory contents. That way, if you realize you've overwritten a memory by mistake, you can 'undo' to get the original contents back. 73 -- Joe KB8AP On May 29, 2008, at 5:17 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: might be worthwhile keeping some memories that don't require that - I keep 00 to 09 for storing some frequency i want to come back to shortly - I'm not using M1-M4 for that since I store various frequency in them for the band - like start of band, start of SSB, end of SSB etc more suggestions? -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -Arthur C Clarke, science fiction writer (1917-2008) On 29 May 2008, at 12:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about the old tape recorders: it was made harder to over- record an existing recording by having to press 2 buttons at once. Is this possible? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
that is a very good idea -- There is a coherent plan in the universe, though I don't know what it is a plan for. - Fred Hoyle On 29 May 2008, at 13:51, Joe Planisky wrote: How about a single level 'undo' or 'Recycle Bin' that saves the last modified memory contents. That way, if you realize you've overwritten a memory by mistake, you can 'undo' to get the original contents back. 73 -- Joe KB8AP On May 29, 2008, at 5:17 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: might be worthwhile keeping some memories that don't require that - I keep 00 to 09 for storing some frequency i want to come back to shortly - I'm not using M1-M4 for that since I store various frequency in them for the band - like start of band, start of SSB, end of SSB etc more suggestions? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
In the world of ergonomics and man-machine interface design, there is a rule: If an action will destroy information or a state than cannot be restored with the same effort that it took to destroy, then the system requires either (a) a Un-Do function of equal simplicity, or (b) a confirmation step. The choice between (a) or (b) depends on the consequences of the unintended action during the time it takes to recover. For example, a (hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until the pilot hits UnDo would be bad! This rule applies to software as well as hardware. -- Eric K3NA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Eric Scace K3NA wrote: In the world of ergonomics and man-machine interface design, there is a rule: If an action will destroy information or a state than cannot be restored with the same effort that it took to destroy, then the system requires either (a) a Un-Do function of equal simplicity, or (b) a confirmation step. The choice between (a) or (b) depends on the consequences of the unintended action during the time it takes to recover. For example, a (hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until the pilot hits UnDo would be bad! This rule applies to software as well as hardware. True, but we're talking about a microcontroller in a radio not a computer with ever expandable memory. A recent firmware change moved data to the front panel memory to free up space on the main controller, so presumably the developers are getting concerned about space already. I'd prefer to see features added that gave on-air functionality, not Are you sure? OK / Cancel nagging beloved of Windows. After the first few times of overwriting a memory, you learn not to do it. - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3%3A-too-easy-to-overwrite-dial--memories-tp17527947p17539733.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Would your rule be covered if you had to hold in another button at the same time as hitting the memory button? Or, say, turn the power to zero before making memory additions... David G3UNA In the world of ergonomics and man-machine interface design, there is a rule: If an action will destroy information or a state than cannot be restored with the same effort that it took to destroy, then the system requires either (a) a Un-Do function of equal simplicity, or (b) a confirmation step. The choice between (a) or (b) depends on the consequences of the unintended action during the time it takes to recover. For example, a (hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until the pilot hits UnDo would be bad! This rule applies to software as well as hardware. -- Eric K3NA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
For example, a (hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until the pilot hits UnDo would be bad! This rule applies to software as well as hardware. -- Eric K3NA This has no bearing on the current discussion but might be interesting to some. The button that shuts down jet engines is protected only by the human instinct to survive. We sit there for thousands of hours in the cockpit and never have any impulse to move those switches to the cutoff position, except during an intentional engine shutdown. (You usually have to lift and move to get to the cutoff position; you can't brush against them and move them.) I can only recall one case where a B767 pilot moved both switches to the cutoff position unintentionally. He thought they were something else I think. That event had a happy outcome. He did resort to an undo procedure. Some airplanes with overhead panel pushbutton fire switches are guarded mechanically to avoid hitting them with your head or shoulder when you get out of your seat. (The fire switches cut off fuel to the engine, among other things.) Ed Lambert KD3Y (B747-400) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
Phil, Phil Debbie Salas schrieb am 29 May 2008 um 10:57: Or maybe just require two presses of VM? That's the way one of my talkies works. When I hit VM, the memory number flashes. Hitting VM again stores the info in that memory. I find this a very good proposal. 73! de Werner OE9FWV -- Driving People Insane: 4. Send e-mail to the rest of the company to tell them what you're doing. For example: If anyone needs me, I'll be in the bathroom. Email powered by Pegasus Mail free at http://www.pmail.com Homepage: http://www.qsl.net/oe9fwv/ Fone +43 5522 75013 Fax +43 820 555 85 2621 Mobile +43 664 6340014 Elecraft K2 #5203 K3 #656 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
no way do it want to drop power to zero, just so i can load a memory -- The trees that are slow to grow bear the best fruit. -Moliere, actor and playwright (1622-1673) On 29 May 2008, at 17:49, David Cutter wrote: Would your rule be covered if you had to hold in another button at the same time as hitting the memory button? Or, say, turn the power to zero before making memory additions... David G3UNA In the world of ergonomics and man-machine interface design, there is a rule: If an action will destroy information or a state than cannot be restored with the same effort that it took to destroy, then the system requires either (a) a Un-Do function of equal simplicity, or (b) a confirmation step. The choice between (a) or (b) depends on the consequences of the unintended action during the time it takes to recover. For example, a (hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until the pilot hits UnDo would be bad! This rule applies to software as well as hardware. -- Eric K3NA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories
And then it would be nice to hear the memory when you press MVFO as you step through the memories. 73HankK8DD -- 'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.' -anon -- Phil Debbie Salas schrieb am 29 May 2008 um 10:57: Or maybe just require two presses of VM? That's the way one of my talkies works. When I hit VM, the memory number flashes. Hitting VM again stores the info in that memory. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
