Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
How about sticking one of these up on your wall: http://www.arrl.org/graphical-frequency-allocations It will help you get familiar with where the band edges are, and before you know it, knowing when you are in-band will become second nature. But human beings WILL make mistakes, especially in contests or at special-event stations where there are too many other things happening and people are tired; and so they lose concentration. And regardless of how perfect you yourself may be, if you are trustee of a multi-op or club station you are also responsible for other people's mistakes on the air. Personally and legally responsible. So we all agree that band edge transgressions are important; they are simple to avoid but they also need continual watchfulness. Well, isn't that EXACTLY the kind of monitoring task that computers do best? Regrettably, this is yet another area where the K3 remains unfinished compared with the competition. Other manufacturers have seen the risks of human error and done something to help avoid it; but the K3 will let you fail. 73 from Ian GM3SEK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
From: Matt VK2RQ matt.vk...@gmail.com How about sticking one of these up on your wall: http://www.arrl.org/graphical-frequency-allocations It will help you get familiar with where the band edges are, and before you know it, knowing when you are in-band will become second nature. 73, Matt VK2RQ Note! That is a US only chart. This is a world wide email list... However, similar charts/tables are likely to be found from other national societies or regulating government offices in other countries etc. Also, in your licence or permit documents I suspect! But the same holds true. In a short time, we all learn where we can play, and where not to. As to disabled op's, contest mode reminders etc:- It's not imposible these days with Arduino's, Atmels, PIC's and other digital playthings, to put something simple together, that will take the data stream from the radio (or poll it) to determine what operating frequency is in force, and make noises, flash lights, vibrate chairs or make dogs bark etc, as needed. That can be done with just about any modern rig, not just Elecraft products. Read the manuals, hook up a PC with a dumb terminal emulator, and play. You'll find it easier than you imagine! If you want to get Realy smart.. You need to take into account not just the VFO frequency, but also the mode and TX bandwidth settings. Especially on 60m!... Then, it can get a little more, but not too complicated. ;) The tools exist, the hobby allows us to experiment and learn, so let's do so. 73. Dave G0WBX. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
If I remember correctly back in the 50's when I was licensed, knowing your frequency allocations was necessary to be a ham! Is that no more? Reggie K6xr Ham Radio Since 1955 DXCC, RCC, WAZ QRP IS KING On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Tom H Childers n...@n5ge.com wrote: I've been licensed since 1976 and know most the band limits in my head, but I do have a chart on the wall to look at when I need to refresh my memory. Spend a little time learning the band limits of your license class. You'll be glad you did. 73, Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE Licensed since 1976 ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0700, Ken Schillinger k...@whidbey.com wrote: As long as we're looking at band limits, how about programming for different countries, and band limits for different classes? That way we (who don't remember numbers well) could dial in US - General (or whatever) country and license class, and have only those frequencies available... Ken/ke7hge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
It still is required and I think the thread started with a person who lacks sight, knows the limits and wants badly to comply in spite of his limitation needs to know his transmit frequency even though he lacks the convenience of looking at the LED readout that most of us enjoy. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Reginald J Mackey SR k...@icloud.com To: n...@n5ge.com Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit) If I remember correctly back in the 50's when I was licensed, knowing your frequency allocations was necessary to be a ham! Is that no more? Reggie K6xr Ham Radio Since 1955 DXCC, RCC, WAZ QRP IS KING On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Tom H Childers n...@n5ge.com wrote: I've been licensed since 1976 and know most the band limits in my head, but I do have a chart on the wall to look at when I need to refresh my memory. Spend a little time learning the band limits of your license class. You'll be glad you did. 73, Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE Licensed since 1976 ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0700, Ken Schillinger k...@whidbey.com wrote: As long as we're looking at band limits, how about programming for different countries, and band limits for different classes? That way we (who don't remember numbers well) could dial in US - General (or whatever) country and license class, and have only those frequencies available... Ken/ke7hge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
It's still a requirement. The discussion is over having a marker to remind the op. Like a real-time memory aid. Many of us MARS ops have to do this by memory or look up, because MARS freqs are all over HF. 73, matt W6NIA, NNN0UET SCA On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 04:41:02 -0700, you wrote: If I remember correctly back in the 50's when I was licensed, knowing your frequency allocations was necessary to be a ham! Is that no more? Reggie K6xr Ham Radio Since 1955 DXCC, RCC, WAZ QRP IS KING On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Tom H Childers n...@n5ge.com wrote: I've been licensed since 1976 and know most the band limits in my head, but I do have a chart on the wall to look at when I need to refresh my memory. Spend a little time learning the band limits of your license class. You'll be glad you did. 73, Tom __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
My needs are much simpler than those involving international frequency tables, license classes, memory locations, etc. I haven't thought this through thoroughly so I don't know all the ramifications. I'll leave that all to someone smarter than me. I know that I am quite embarrassed to be told that I have just transmitted outside the legal US band (usually involves DX pounces) and would like to be reminded if my inattention causes me to do that. I see *self enforcement* here. I could envision a Band Marker that could be set by the K3 user personally. Tune the VFO to the band (or sub band) edge you'd like to be notified of. Say 14.000. In the menu you find Band Marker. Select that option and the software creates a tone (beep if you will) on 14.000. If you wanted to be alerted that you are passing the high end of the 20M band, simply set your VFO to 14.350, and, in the menu, select Band Marker. BEEP created. Same process to mark the CW, RTTY, etc sub-band if that's your desire. The K3 owner could be free to opt for doing this or not, as well as for which bands, license privileges or mode sub-bands he wished. Nothing forced. All on the operator (and sw guys like Lyle, of course). No software tables, band lists per country or license classes involved. Nothing to force a transmitter shut down. It would simply be an *operator assigned* aid for the *convenience* of the individual operator. Of course, this would not help direct frequency entry band errors, instant spots, etc. Just thinking through my keyboard. ;o) Thoughts? Someone will probably tell me that this already exists in the K3. ;o) Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Art Bross [mailto:acbr...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:58 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Out of band xmit Good idea Buddy. I originally put band edges for each band into the first 10 memory channels, VFO a for lower edge and VFO b for upper edge. But this does take up multiple memories. I'm going to switch those to the 4 Quick Memories per band section to save space. (had to find them first in the memory editor - change view.) Thanks for making it a learning day. Art KC7GF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
A while back I thought it would be useful to be able to limit a VFO's frequency excurusion to a user-selected segment. Then if you should get to the end of such a defined segment the VFO reading would simply jump to the other end of the segment and keep going, traversing the same segment again as you kept spinning the knob. I didn't think of this as a method of marking the legal band boundaries, but rather for the purpose of sorting through a pileup without having to keep looking at the frequency display, reversing VFO direction, etc. Just keep spinning the knob and you'd always be within your defined segment. BTW, I don't work any pileups myself; just like to hunt through them to find who/where the DX is currently working (no sub rcver or band scope here). But I suppose those who generate the pileups might find it useful as well. It could of couse also be used to limit the VFO excursions to the legal band boundaries if someone wanted to do that. 73, Drew AF2Z On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:30:48 -0500, Terry, W0FM wrote: My needs are much simpler than those involving international frequency tables, license classes, memory locations, etc. I haven't thought this through thoroughly so I don't know all the ramifications. I'll leave that all to someone smarter than me. I know that I am quite embarrassed to be told that I have just transmitted outside the legal US band (usually involves DX pounces) and would like to be reminded if my inattention causes me to do that. I see *self enforcement* here. I could envision a Band Marker that could be set by the K3 user personally. Tune the VFO to the band (or sub band) edge you'd like to be notified of. Say 14.000. In the menu you find Band Marker. Select that option and the software creates a tone (beep if you will) on 14.000. If you wanted to be alerted that you are passing the high end of the 20M band, simply set your VFO to 14.350, and, in the menu, select Band Marker. BEEP created. Same process to mark the CW, RTTY, etc sub-band if that's your desire. The K3 owner could be free to opt for doing this or not, as well as for which bands, license privileges or mode sub-bands he wished. Nothing forced. All on the operator (and sw guys like Lyle, of course). No software tables, band lists per country or license classes involved. Nothing to force a transmitter shut down. It would simply be an *operator assigned* aid for the *convenience* of the individual operator. Of course, this would not help direct frequency entry band errors, instant spots, etc. Just thinking through my keyboard. ;o) Thoughts? Someone will probably tell me that this already exists in the K3. ;o) Terry, W0FM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
How about sticking one of these up on your wall: http://www.arrl.org/graphical-frequency-allocations It will help you get familiar with where the band edges are, and before you know it, knowing when you are in-band will become second nature. 73, Matt VK2RQ On 21/08/2013, at 4:30 AM, Terry Schieler w...@swbell.net wrote: My needs are much simpler than those involving international frequency tables, license classes, memory locations, etc. I haven't thought this through thoroughly so I don't know all the ramifications. I'll leave that all to someone smarter than me. I know that I am quite embarrassed to be told that I have just transmitted outside the legal US band (usually involves DX pounces) and would like to be reminded if my inattention causes me to do that. I see *self enforcement* here. I could envision a Band Marker that could be set by the K3 user personally. Tune the VFO to the band (or sub band) edge you'd like to be notified of. Say 14.000. In the menu you find Band Marker. Select that option and the software creates a tone (beep if you will) on 14.000. If you wanted to be alerted that you are passing the high end of the 20M band, simply set your VFO to 14.350, and, in the menu, select Band Marker. BEEP created. Same process to mark the CW, RTTY, etc sub-band if that's your desire. The K3 owner could be free to opt for doing this or not, as well as for which bands, license privileges or mode sub-bands he wished. Nothing forced. All on the operator (and sw guys like Lyle, of course). No software tables, band lists per country or license classes involved. Nothing to force a transmitter shut down. It would simply be an *operator assigned* aid for the *convenience* of the individual operator. Of course, this would not help direct frequency entry band errors, instant spots, etc. Just thinking through my keyboard. ;o) Thoughts? Someone will probably tell me that this already exists in the K3. ;o) Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Art Bross [mailto:acbr...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:58 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Out of band xmit Good idea Buddy. I originally put band edges for each band into the first 10 memory channels, VFO a for lower edge and VFO b for upper edge. But this does take up multiple memories. I'm going to switch those to the 4 Quick Memories per band section to save space. (had to find them first in the memory editor - change view.) Thanks for making it a learning day. Art KC7GF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
As long as we're looking at band limits, how about programming for different countries, and band limits for different classes? That way we (who don't remember numbers well) could dial in US - General (or whatever) country and license class, and have only those frequencies available... Ken/ke7hge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
What if all your ops. are portable, and there is no wall? On 8/20/2013 3:50 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: How about sticking one of these up on your wall: http://www.arrl.org/graphical-frequency-allocations It will help you get familiar with where the band edges are, and before you know it, knowing when you are in-band will become second nature. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
I have every confidence you'll be able to work something out :-) 73, Matt VK2RQ On 21/08/2013, at 10:47 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com wrote: What if all your ops. are portable, and there is no wall? On 8/20/2013 3:50 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: How about sticking one of these up on your wall: http://www.arrl.org/graphical-frequency-allocations It will help you get familiar with where the band edges are, and before you know it, knowing when you are in-band will become second nature. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
Just keeping track of all of the countries, all of the authorized frequencies for all license classes would be a pretty big task. Add to the fact that bands change -- sometimes we even get new ones. If it's something that I can set, the way I want it, on my radio (or choose not to), that's my preference. 73 -- Lynn On 8/20/2013 5:45 PM, Ken Schillinger wrote: As long as we're looking at band limits, how about programming for different countries, and band limits for different classes? That way we (who don't remember numbers well) could dial in US - General (or whatever) country and license class, and have only those frequencies available... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
Re: What if all your ops. are portable, and there is no wall? You could take a Pink Floyd album along with you... groan ...Sorry Mark KE6BB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
Looks like its time to end this thread in the interest of improving list SNR. Thread closed. 73, Eric List Modulator elecraft.com On 8/20/2013 6:24 PM, Mark Petiford wrote: Re: What if all your ops. are portable, and there is no wall? You could take a Pink Floyd album along with you... groan ...Sorry __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
Eric, Thanks for ending this thread. I had donned my flame resistant suit the moment I hit the send button after writing my idea. I assumed that one or two of our fellow amateurs would fire a shot at someone who replied to my thread without having even thoroughly read and understood it. I will correspond with VK2RQ off line. 73, Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:32 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit) Looks like its time to end this thread in the interest of improving list SNR. Thread closed. 73, Eric List Modulator elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
That sounds like a way to implement it, Terry. I sure miss the band edge beep on my Icom pro III. I'd love to see one added to the K3. 73, Mike KS0T My needs are much simpler than those involving international frequency tables, license classes, memory locations, etc. I haven't thought this through thoroughly so I don't know all the ramifications. I'll leave that all to someone smarter than me. I know that I am quite embarrassed to be told that I have just transmitted outside the legal US band (usually involves DX pounces) and would like to be reminded if my inattention causes me to do that. I see *self enforcement* here. I could envision a Band Marker that could be set by the K3 user personally. Tune the VFO to the band (or sub band) edge you'd like to be notified of. Say 14.000. In the menu you find Band Marker. Select that option and the software creates a tone (beep if you will) on 14.000. If you wanted to be alerted that you are passing the high end of the 20M band, simply set your VFO to 14.350, and, in the menu, select Band Marker. BEEP created. Same process to mark the CW, RTTY, etc sub-band if that's your desire. The K3 owner could be free to opt for doing this or not, as well as for which bands, license privileges or mode sub-bands he wished. Nothing forced. All on the operator (and sw guys like Lyle, of course). No software tables, band lists per country or license classes involved. Nothing to force a transmitter shut down. It would simply be an *operator assigned* aid for the *convenience* of the individual operator. Of course, this would not help direct frequency entry band errors, instant spots, etc. Just thinking through my keyboard. ;o) Thoughts? Someone will probably tell me that this already exists in the K3. ;o) Terry, W0FM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band Edge Marker Option (was Out of Band Xmit)
I've been licensed since 1976 and know most the band limits in my head, but I do have a chart on the wall to look at when I need to refresh my memory. Spend a little time learning the band limits of your license class. You'll be glad you did. 73, Tom Amateur Radio Operator N5GE Licensed since 1976 ARRL Lifetime Member QCWA Lifetime Member On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0700, Ken Schillinger k...@whidbey.com wrote: As long as we're looking at band limits, how about programming for different countries, and band limits for different classes? That way we (who don't remember numbers well) could dial in US - General (or whatever) country and license class, and have only those frequencies available... Ken/ke7hge __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
