Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-13 Thread Michael Walker
I have used my KPA500 on both 110 and 240AC and I can honestly say that I
saw no difference in either supply voltage.

Mike va3mw

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-13 Thread Edward R Cole
Make sure the 120v line/outlet is not getting warm.  Measure ac 
voltage with amp off and then in keydown transmit to check voltage drop.


I don't have a KPA500 or KPA1500 but did have a 8877 with 
4kV  PS.  It ran at 750ma  which is 3000w dc load.  That converts to 
12.5A at 240v  if PS is 100% efficient.  At 120v that would run 25A 
which exceeds rating or No. 12 house wiring.  I  now have a 1200w 
sspa that draws 50v-50A  (2500w dc).


I installed my own 240v using 8-4 wiring bought at Home Depot.  I get 
about 2vac drop when keydown at 1500w RF.  I installed a small 
breaker box in the shack with one dual 20A breaker for 240v and split 
out two 120v 20A ckts which run my 12v-50A station PS and a 26v MOT 
repeater PS for my 220-MHz 150w PA.  I also have a 1000w 50-MHz sspa 
powered by 50v-50A switching PS (2500w dc) that uses 240vac.  Only 
run one QRO amp at a time.


Running the 8-4 wire from my main load center down thru crawl space 
under the main floor then back up thru spare bedroom (shack) floor; 
about 35-foot run.  I drilled small holes in floor joists to tie off 
the cable using wire ties.  Crawl space is 4-foot high.  Obviously if 
your house is on concrete slab you would need and 
alternative.  Suggest running outside on house wall with conduit 
(which can be pvc if cable is sheathed).


We have very lax building codes up here so home self-construction is 
common.  Have a licensed electrician do the work if codes require 
(for insurance coverage).


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-13 Thread macymonkeys
I would only agree with whoever mentioned the possibility of
flickering lights. If you're a CW operator it can be a
distraction...if your house wiring can't handle it. Been there...

John K7FD

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

 Unless you are having a problem, save your money. I have two
KPA500’s, one
 plugged into a 220V line at my main house and the other into a 110V
line at
 my beach house and have never seen a difference in performance. In
 addition, on a number of contests Dx’peditions, were I have my K3s,
KPA500
 & laptop plugged into the same 110V line, I have not had a problem.
 Happy Holidays
 Irwin KD3TB

 On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 7:14 PM Tom Berry  wrote:

 > Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
 >
 > Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a
220 V
 > outlet for it?
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-13 Thread Irwin Darack
Unless you are having a problem, save your money.  I have two KPA500’s, one
plugged into a 220V line at my main house and the other into a 110V line at
my beach house and have never seen a difference in performance. In
addition, on a number of contests Dx’peditions, were I have my K3s, KPA500
& laptop plugged into the same 110V line, I have not had a problem.
Happy Holidays
Irwin KD3TB

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 7:14 PM Tom Berry  wrote:

> Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
>
> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V
> outlet for it?
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> Thanks
>
> Tom AA4VV
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Jim Brown

On 12/12/2018 4:44 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:

Noting that the current is double for 110V, the heat losses in the power line 
will actually be quadrupled.

If you have #12 wire in your walls (the current NEC code), and use the supplied 
power cord, things should be just fine.


That can depend on how long the run is from the power panel to the 
outlet. For CQP and 7QP expeditions, we run KPA500s on 120V, and have 
had issues with under-voltage faults caused by too much IR drop combined 
with regulation issues with the generator.


At home, I run my KPA500 on 240V, because I had 240 brought to the shack 
before I moved in. Since the power supply is unregulated, an advantage 
of running on 240V is slightly less voltage drop when the radio is keyed.


BTW, IR drop and the associated power lost in wiring feeding electronic 
loads is significantly greater than predicted by Ohm's law for a sine 
wave because the current drawn by power supplies is not a sine wave -- 
current is drawn at the peaks of each half of the AC cycle to recharge 
the input filter capacitor.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Wes Stewart

Thanks John,

I doubt it in this lifetime.  I need SV/A and FR/G. I suppose I could rent a 
station in New England and work the monk but that wouldn't be on my 120 VAC 
circuit or from Tucson :-)


Wes  N7WS




On 12/12/2018 7:22 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:

There you have it; DX is obviously better on 120V!  :)

Good luck on those last two, Wes!

John K7FD


On Dec 12, 2018, at 6:17 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:

I run my complete station on a 120V 20A circuit.

Wes  N7WS

9-band DXCC, need two for top of the Honor Roll.




On 12/12/2018 5:13 PM, Tom Berry wrote:
Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?

Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V outlet 
for it?


Thanks

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Macy monkeys
There you have it; DX is obviously better on 120V!  :)  

Good luck on those last two, Wes!

John K7FD

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 6:17 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> I run my complete station on a 120V 20A circuit.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> 9-band DXCC, need two for top of the Honor Roll.
> 
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>> On 12/12/2018 5:13 PM, Tom Berry wrote:
>> Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
>> 
>> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V 
>> outlet for it?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Tom AA4VV
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Wes Stewart

Why not?

On 12/12/2018 6:05 PM, Nr4c wrote:

Lower current.

But why on this thread?

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Wes Stewart

I run my complete station on a 120V 20A circuit.

Wes  N7WS

9-band DXCC, need two for top of the Honor Roll.



On 12/12/2018 5:13 PM, Tom Berry wrote:

Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?

Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V outlet 
for it?



Thanks

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread James Bennett via Elecraft
Jack - great answer, many thanks for clearing it up for me. Our home was built 
in ‘91 so I would guess that it is fairly up to current code, wire-wise. Guess 
I’ll save my $600 for something else. Maybe a trip to the casinos in Tahoe! Or 
paying some bills. Hm... :-)

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Jack Brindle  wrote:
> 
> James;
> 
> There would be no difference in the heat generated inside the KPA500 since 
> the KPA’s transformer is delivering the same voltage and current in either 
> case. The entire difference would be voltage drop on the power line and KPA’s 
> power cord due to the higher current at 110V. The losses are I*I*R, where I 
> is the current and R the power line resistance. Noting that the current is 
> double for 110V, the heat losses in the power line will actually be 
> quadrupled.
> 
> If you have #12 wire in your walls (the current NEC code), and use the 
> supplied power cord, things should be just fine.
> 
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:27 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve wondered the same thing here. While I don’t have the flashing lights 
>> that Dennis  NJ6G does, I DO have a ton of other things plugged in to 
>> outlets in this room.
>> 
>> Am I off in left field on this: if the amp were to run on a 220 circuit it 
>> would obviously draw half the current, and thus (to my uneducated brain) 
>> less current “might” mean less heat generated and a lower temperature inside 
>> the unit. Does that make sense? 
>> 
>> I had an estimate from a licensed electrician who said it would run me about 
>> $600 to put a 220 outlet in the shack, due to it’s distance (and obstacles 
>> in the way) from the electrical entry panel.
>> 
>> Kinda pricy, but eliminating some heat in the shack and keeping the KPA500 
>> fans running slower would be nice….
>> 
>> Jim / W6JHB
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Tom Berry  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
>>> 
>>> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V 
>>> outlet for it?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Tom AA4VV
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Nr4c
Lower current. 

But why on this thread?

Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 12, 2018, at 7:13 PM, Tom Berry  wrote:
> 
> Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
> 
> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V 
> outlet for it?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tom AA4VV
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Depends.   If you have a stiff 120 V service from the breaker panel, a 
service that doesn't loop through other outlets, specially the ones that 
use the push in the wire type connections, then the KPA500 will run OK 
on 120 volts.   If you have other stuff on that circuit,  or have the 
maximum legal number of duplex outlets of 5 on that circuit, then you 
may be approaching the limit of a 20 Amp circuit.


The IR drop between 120 volts and 240 volts is noticeable, more so as 
the distance from the breaker panel to the load increases. The IR drop 
in the wire from the breaker panel to the outlet will be reduced by 
1/4th when operated on 240 as compared to 120. There is drop in the 
outlet, the power cord and such, all will likewise be reduced when a 240 
volt service is used.   And then if you ever go to the KPA-1500, there 
is no choice except 240 volts.


I ran a dedicated 240 volt service, 20A from the breaker panel with 
#10-4 wire and feed it from 2 single breakers.  The larger than required 
wire size makes for less IR drop.  I also have  2 duplex 20A 120V 
outlets which are fed from each leg of the 240 V service thus the reason 
for using #10-4.  That provides L1, L2, Neutral, and Ground as required 
for the 120V duplex outlets.  This way I have a good solid power feed to 
the station.


Labor is the most expensive part, copper wire is the next.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 12/12/2018 6:13 PM, Tom Berry wrote:

Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?

Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 
V outlet for it?



Thanks

Tom AA4VV

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Eric Norris
No, I have run mine both ways.  Works FB on 120v

73 Eric WD6DBM

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 4:13 PM Tom Berry  Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
>
> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V
> outlet for it?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom AA4VV
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Tom,

If you have a dedicated 120 volt receptacle in the shack, that would be 
OK to use, but if it is shared with other receptacles in the house, you 
will find blinking lights with CW or SSB speech.


If you have to run new wiring to the shack, run 240 volts and if you run 
a 4 wire system, it can be split out to 2 120 volt receptacles that you 
can use exclusively in the hamshack.  Your electrician will know how to 
split it out.  Ask him to use #12 wire, or better yet #10 for a lower 
voltage drop from the breaker box.  Many receptacles are wired with #14 
wire (except for kitchen circuits which must be #12 wire according to 
code).  If you have an older house, definitely get dedicated wiring to 
the shack - who knows what older wiring may entail, it was wired only to 
the codes at the time of construction.


73,
Don W3FPR


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Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?

Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V 
outlet for it?

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
James;

There would be no difference in the heat generated inside the KPA500 since the 
KPA’s transformer is delivering the same voltage and current in either case. 
The entire difference would be voltage drop on the power line and KPA’s power 
cord due to the higher current at 110V. The losses are I*I*R, where I is the 
current and R the power line resistance. Noting that the current is double for 
110V, the heat losses in the power line will actually be quadrupled.

If you have #12 wire in your walls (the current NEC code), and use the supplied 
power cord, things should be just fine.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:27 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve wondered the same thing here. While I don’t have the flashing lights 
> that Dennis  NJ6G does, I DO have a ton of other things plugged in to outlets 
> in this room.
> 
> Am I off in left field on this: if the amp were to run on a 220 circuit it 
> would obviously draw half the current, and thus (to my uneducated brain) less 
> current “might” mean less heat generated and a lower temperature inside the 
> unit. Does that make sense? 
> 
> I had an estimate from a licensed electrician who said it would run me about 
> $600 to put a 220 outlet in the shack, due to it’s distance (and obstacles in 
> the way) from the electrical entry panel.
> 
> Kinda pricy, but eliminating some heat in the shack and keeping the KPA500 
> fans running slower would be nice….
> 
> Jim / W6JHB
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Tom Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
>> 
>> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V 
>> outlet for it?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Tom AA4VV
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
Yes. The current draw when running at 220V will be half that needed for 110V, 
which means the heat losses in the power cord and wall wiring will be cut by 
about one-fourth. This also means the voltage drop on the power cord and wall 
wiring will be much less at 220V.
So, there is a pretty good advantage to running the amplifier at 220V. Having 
said that, I wasn’t willing to go through the trouble to add 220V outlets to my 
workshop, so my KPA500s run on 110V. You will hear many folks saying they run 
the KPA500 just fine at that voltage.
Generally if the lights blink when you key the radio it is a good indicator 
that the wall wiring is too small. In that case you may want to have the 
electrician install the higher-voltage line. From experience I know that 
changing out wall wiring is a major effort involving wall patching.

Basically, if you want to go through the trouble, go for it. Otherwise enjoy 
your KPA500 at 110V.

73 and enjoy the KPA500!
Jack, W6FB



> On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Tom Berry  wrote:
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> Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
> 
> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V 
> outlet for it?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tom AA4VV
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Fred Jensen
Depends on your 120 V supply.  I had good wiring, through a sub-panel 
[an accident of previous construction] and it ran fine for me, no light 
dimming.  I also had 240 V available, but not located conveniently to 
the KPA500.  KPA1500 is probably something else again.


Now, here in Sparks, my antenna is on the fence.  I sold the KPA/KAT500, 
but on 160/80, I flash the touch lamps in the bedroom at 100 W.  Navy 
radiomen to the south of us could intercept my CW.


73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 12/12/2018 4:13 PM, Tom Berry wrote:

Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?

Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 
V outlet for it?



Thanks

Tom AA4VV


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread James Bennett via Elecraft
I’ve wondered the same thing here. While I don’t have the flashing lights that 
Dennis  NJ6G does, I DO have a ton of other things plugged in to outlets in 
this room.

Am I off in left field on this: if the amp were to run on a 220 circuit it 
would obviously draw half the current, and thus (to my uneducated brain) less 
current “might” mean less heat generated and a lower temperature inside the 
unit. Does that make sense? 

I had an estimate from a licensed electrician who said it would run me about 
$600 to put a 220 outlet in the shack, due to it’s distance (and obstacles in 
the way) from the electrical entry panel.

Kinda pricy, but eliminating some heat in the shack and keeping the KPA500 fans 
running slower would be nice….

Jim / W6JHB

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Tom Berry  wrote:
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> Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
> 
> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V 
> outlet for it?
> 
> 
> Thanks
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> Tom AA4VV
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread K9ZTV
Tom ...

I vote yes and did so myself.  The amp just loafs along and probably prefers 
that voltage.  However, properly configured at the transformer, it runs fine on 
120v which is what I power it when portable for Boy Scout events.  At some 
point you may want a 1500w amp which will definitely need 240v.  Might as well 
do it at today’s electrician rates than tomorrow’s.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV

> On Dec 12, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Tom Berry  wrote:
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> Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?
> 
> Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 V 
> outlet for it?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tom AA4VV
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC power

2018-12-12 Thread Dennis Moore
Mine's plugged into 110. Someone could probably copy cw from the 
flickering lights in my shack.


73, Dennis NJ6G

On 12/12/2018 16:13, Tom Berry wrote:

Is there any advantage to use 220 V over 110 V on the KPA500?

Is it worth having an electrician come to the house and install a 220 
V outlet for it?



Thanks

Tom AA4VV

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 AC Power

2013-02-24 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

There will be less 'light blinking' if operated on 220 volts.
The answer all depends on the AC circuit.  Is this a dedicated 120 volt 
receptacle with heavy gauge wire?  If so, it will make little 
difference.  But if it is a shared circuit, the voltage drop is a 
consideration.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/24/2013 9:32 AM, Bill Wiehe wrote:

Any advantage to using 220V vs 110V to power the KPA500?
I purchased both cables as I plan use the KPA500 in my RV as well as home
where I have 220 in the shack.
Thanks,



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