Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude
In a recent message, JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net wrote ... If you've ever heard alot of the newer guys on the air their electrical knowledge and operating practices are rather lacking (even lacking the knowledge of something as BASIC as Ohm's Laws), now that's BAD!!! At least the vast majority of guys who were licensed before the 1980s really did have to understand the electrical theory to pass the exams. Memorization just would not work then as it seems to now! That is very true for newer radio amateurs in the UK also. One only has to look at some of the old exam papers. UK Radio Amateurs' Examination Papers back to 1946 can be seen at http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/rae 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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What in the world does this have to do with Elecraft radio? Sonny...NN8K -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Pratt Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:42 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude In a recent message, JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net wrote ... If you've ever heard alot of the newer guys on the air their electrical knowledge and operating practices are rather lacking (even lacking the knowledge of something as BASIC as Ohm's Laws), now that's BAD!!! At least the vast majority of guys who were licensed before the 1980s really did have to understand the electrical theory to pass the exams. Memorization just would not work then as it seems to now! That is very true for newer radio amateurs in the UK also. One only has to look at some of the old exam papers. UK Radio Amateurs' Examination Papers back to 1946 can be seen at http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/rae 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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JIM DAVIS wrote: There's nothing wrong with your attitude ! In fact I agree with it completely, as it seems that the people that are getting into the hobby recently really don't know how to fully utilize their equipment nor their antenna arrays. What amateur radio needs is more people who have been in the hobby a while to freely share their knowledge with others. we all started in radio with limited knowledge and learned along the way. Regardless of any thoughts some may have on current exams standards we owe it to ourselves and the hobby we get so much pleasure from to help newcomers to gain a better understanding of Amateur radio. 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Elecraft is an Amateur Radio equipment manufacturer. This is an Elecraft reflector/forum where Amateur Radio equipment, primarily but not always Elecraft, related issues are discussed. A poster asked what might be construed as a overly elementary question with regard to said poster's license class. One of the responses was construed as mildly abrasive eliciting further comments re. said attitude. The 'offending party' then explained his point of view with regard to his perceived attitude. Very much related to Amateur Radio and, albeit to a lesser degree, Elecraft. It's just a discussion, interesting to some, not so much to others. Live and let live. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI - Original Message - From: Carl Smithson carlsmith...@dishmail.net To: 'David Pratt' da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk; 'Elecraft Reflector' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude What in the world does this have to do with Elecraft radio? Sonny...NN8K -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Pratt Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:42 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude In a recent message, JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net wrote ... If you've ever heard alot of the newer guys on the air their electrical knowledge and operating practices are rather lacking (even lacking the knowledge of something as BASIC as Ohm's Laws), now that's BAD!!! At least the vast majority of guys who were licensed before the 1980s really did have to understand the electrical theory to pass the exams. Memorization just would not work then as it seems to now! That is very true for newer radio amateurs in the UK also. One only has to look at some of the old exam papers. UK Radio Amateurs' Examination Papers back to 1946 can be seen at http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/rae 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I think some of you old timers are missing the point of generational changes. I agree that there is no excuse for laziness however, times have changed in the world of technologies. You old timers were able to make a respectable livelihood at circuit/component level designing, testing and repairing. This is what the electronic/consumer market was all about. When software started coming into the picture you labeled it firmware, left it alone and gave it to the dork stuck in the corner to deal with because it wasn't hardware. And, you stated that his firmware was pointless because it couldn't do anything without your hardware. Well...if you haven't figured it out yet...times have changed. Now how many of you old timers could successfully write a line of software code (outside of hello world) let alone a full-on application? How many of you old timers could derive a filtering algorithm and translate it into a software routine? Do I call you lazy or dumb because most of you can't? No...I wouldn't dream of it because that technology wasn't from your era. I agree with Brendan's last comment that the answer here is to help. But help is a two way street as well. Many old timers label some of the digital modes mainly PSK as No Code Extra mode. Is it really? Can any of you old timers really explain how it works? Or do you just dismiss it because it isn't CW or write it off because you don't see any RLC networks? If you do your homework...these digital modes are far more complex to derive than CW ever was. So we have a clash of generational changes in both technology and people. Can we say one is better than the other? Nope, I don't think we can. Can we be happy that new members are joining the ranks? Well I am very happy. Do we owe it to ourselves to provide mentoring? I think we do. And just maybe...that idiot that couldn't explain what inductance is because all he has to do is push a button labeled tune will be the guy to fix a computing, networking problem on that new radio 10 years from now that is pure software defined because that isn't your cup of tea. K0ZU/Doug -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:56 AM To: JIM DAVIS Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude JIM DAVIS wrote: There's nothing wrong with your attitude ! In fact I agree with it completely, as it seems that the people that are getting into the hobby recently really don't know how to fully utilize their equipment nor their antenna arrays. What amateur radio needs is more people who have been in the hobby a while to freely share their knowledge with others. we all started in radio with limited knowledge and learned along the way. Regardless of any thoughts some may have on current exams standards we owe it to ourselves and the hobby we get so much pleasure from to help newcomers to gain a better understanding of Amateur radio. 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I certainly agree with you Brendan. If we are going to keep this avocation healthy we must share knowledge whenever we can. I was one of the ones attacked by this accusation of being recently licensed and never learning anything again. I hope that this ridiculous thread will die soon because I am confident that the accusers are not as educated as the accused. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ, first licensed as KN5EWJ, 1956 Extra Class at the FCC, 1976 Air Force Navigator, 1962 Air Force Electronic Warfare Officer, 1963 BS Physics, Cum Laude, Sam Houston State, 1972 Professional Electrical Engineer, Texas 52999 Control Systems Engineer for 30 years. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ --- On Sat, 5/9/09, Brendan Minish ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brendan Minish ei6iz.bren...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude To: JIM DAVIS nn...@astound.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 7:55 AM JIM DAVIS wrote: There's nothing wrong with your attitude ! In fact I agree with it completely, as it seems that the people that are getting into the hobby recently really don't know how to fully utilize their equipment nor their antenna arrays. What amateur radio needs is more people who have been in the hobby a while to freely share their knowledge with others. we all started in radio with limited knowledge and learned along the way. Regardless of any thoughts some may have on current exams standards we owe it to ourselves and the hobby we get so much pleasure from to help newcomers to gain a better understanding of Amateur radio. 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Brendan, You are perfectly correct we need to freely share the information we have with newcomers to the hobby. OTOH, since we are all supposed to have passed an exam which indicates we have at least some understanding of the fundamentals of radio and electronics. So I do believe we should be rightly disturbed if a fellow licensed ham does not know a resistor from an inductor, or a capacitor from a quarter wavelength, or a bit from a packet. Yet we see questions from time to time that indicate individuals who do not possess even that basic knowledge. It is then that we can know that person simply memorized the answers and gained no understanding when studying for the exam. While I would like to help, there are times I have to indicate that it is better to hit the books and learn at least the basic terms we use so we can communicate effectively. There are times when the best answer is to tell the person asking where to find the answers that they seek, and I will do that when I sense that the person asking the question wants to be spoon-fed with no effort toward learning. Yes, I expect those who have acquired gear new to them to read the manual, and I don't believe that is too much of an expectation on my part. :RANT OFF 73, Don W3FPR Brendan Minish wrote: JIM DAVIS wrote: There's nothing wrong with your attitude ! In fact I agree with it completely, as it seems that the people that are getting into the hobby recently really don't know how to fully utilize their equipment nor their antenna arrays. What amateur radio needs is more people who have been in the hobby a while to freely share their knowledge with others. we all started in radio with limited knowledge and learned along the way. Regardless of any thoughts some may have on current exams standards we owe it to ourselves and the hobby we get so much pleasure from to help newcomers to gain a better understanding of Amateur radio. 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 06:54:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Agreed. It is funny. If you go back and look at very old articles in QST, you will find that each generation of hams states how much easier the ones that came behind have it. Its human nature. The other piece of the puzzle is the difference between book learning, and applying something that has been learned. It is all well and good to understand ohm's law, but quite different to apply that. Which is why it is a, License to Learn. This is where Elmering, and sharing make all the difference. Many aspects of society have changed that impacts this. But clubs, reflectors, newsletters and websites help share experience. Hopefully those trying to learn have someone near by to help, to show how it works, and explain things. That is one of the greatest parts of this reflector. Wandering off topic and learning from someone else's experience. Thanks to all for sharing and helping. 73 and have a good weekend. Dave Wilburn NM4M Doug wrote: I think some of you old timers are missing the point of generational changes. I agree that there is no excuse for laziness however, times have changed in the world of technologies. You old timers were able to make a respectable livelihood at circuit/component level designing, testing and repairing. This is what the electronic/consumer market was all about. When software started coming into the picture you labeled it firmware, left it alone and gave it to the dork stuck in the corner to deal with because it wasn't hardware. And, you stated that his firmware was pointless because it couldn't do anything without your hardware. Well...if you haven't figured it out yet...times have changed. Now how many of you old timers could successfully write a line of software code (outside of hello world) let alone a full-on application? How many of you old timers could derive a filtering algorithm and translate it into a software routine? Do I call you lazy or dumb because most of you can't? No...I wouldn't dream of it because that technology wasn't from your era. I agree with Brendan's last comment that the answer here is to help. But help is a two way street as well. Many old timers label some of the digital modes mainly PSK as No Code Extra mode. Is it really? Can any of you old timers really explain how it works? Or do you just dismiss it because it isn't CW or write it off because you don't see any RLC networks? If you do your homework...these digital modes are far more complex to derive than CW ever was. So we have a clash of generational changes in both technology and people. Can we say one is better than the other? Nope, I don't think we can. Can we be happy that new members are joining the ranks? Well I am very happy. Do we owe it to ourselves to provide mentoring? I think we do. And just maybe...that idiot that couldn't explain what inductance is because all he has to do is push a button labeled tune will be the guy to fix a computing, networking problem on that new radio 10 years from now that is pure software defined because that isn't your cup of tea. K0ZU/Doug -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:56 AM To: JIM DAVIS Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude JIM DAVIS wrote: There's nothing wrong with your attitude ! In fact I agree with it completely, as it seems that the people that are getting into the hobby recently really don't know how to fully utilize their equipment nor their antenna arrays. What amateur radio needs is more people who have been in the hobby a while to freely share their knowledge with others. we all started in radio with limited knowledge and learned along the way. Regardless of any thoughts some may have on current exams standards we owe it to ourselves and the hobby we get so much pleasure from to help newcomers to gain a better understanding of Amateur radio. 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help
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Dave, NM4M wrote: QST, you will find that each generation of hams states how much easier the ones that came behind have it. Its human nature. - What a Ham needs to know to put a rig on the air today requires only a tiny part of the technical knowledge that past generations needed to know. Installing and repairing equipment also has grown more complex, just as all the various modes and procedures has made operating it more complex. Some people do it all. Others specialize. Most Hams do a little of both. Even commercial licenses reflect this. Today a shipboard Communications Officer may be licensed to operate the critical communications equipment, but he/she is not allowed to repair or tinker with it in any way. In the past, of course, Sparky was expected to do it all. If a modern Communications Officer wants to do repairs, he/she needs two difference licenses from the FCC. Many ships find it more practical to simply carry spares and let defective equipment be handled by specialists in port. Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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You're right Ron. Most of us are appliance operators now. I still like playiung with my small homebrew rigs and the TCS. Only regret is I wished they'd kept at LEAST the 5 WPM requirement for Amateur Extra. I got mine back in the early 60's when you had to do the 20 WPM test at the FCC's office. Actually, I took three codes tests that day: 16 WPM groups, 20 WPM plain text for 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, and 20 wpm for Amateur Extra. This was followed by the elements for 2nd Class Ship Telegraph. Was a long day! 73, Sandy W5TVW - Original Message - From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz To: 'Elecraft Discussion List' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Attitude Dave, NM4M wrote: QST, you will find that each generation of hams states how much easier the ones that came behind have it. Its human nature. - What a Ham needs to know to put a rig on the air today requires only a tiny part of the technical knowledge that past generations needed to know. Installing and repairing equipment also has grown more complex, just as all the various modes and procedures has made operating it more complex. Some people do it all. Others specialize. Most Hams do a little of both. Even commercial licenses reflect this. Today a shipboard Communications Officer may be licensed to operate the critical communications equipment, but he/she is not allowed to repair or tinker with it in any way. In the past, of course, Sparky was expected to do it all. If a modern Communications Officer wants to do repairs, he/she needs two difference licenses from the FCC. Many ships find it more practical to simply carry spares and let defective equipment be handled by specialists in port. Ron AC7AC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 06:54:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Only regret is I wished they'd kept at LEAST the 5 WPM requirement for Amateur Extra. Soundly seconded. I do believe that some must be prodded into giving CW a try. Many would then discover how pleasurable it can be. Without even a minimal requirement, many will never discover this. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Guys - We're drifting a little far afield. (Sort of like the recurring no-code etc. threads.. ;-) Lets end this thread for now. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator Don Wilhelm wrote: Brendan, You are perfectly correct we need to freely share the information we have with newcomers to the hobby. OTOH, since we are all supposed to have passed an exam which indicates we have at least some understanding of the fundamentals of radio and electronics. _..._ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On Mon, 04 May 2009 13:23:40 -0700 Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: Crew, Some feel that my posts are sometimes harshly worded. Perhaps they are. But it seems to me that someone with a General Class ham license, and especilly someone with an Extra Class ticket, ought to have spent some time studying something more than the Study Guide to pass the exam. This is ham radio, not CB radio. A ham license is not a boxtop license. As hams, we are granted rather extensive operating privileges on the basis of our technical knowledge, our advancement of the state of the art, and our preparedness for emergencies. As hams, it is our responsibility to STUDY this stuff. The ARRL Handbook is very well written, and includes chapters that cover all of this material in a manner that is quite readable. You don't have to have a lot of math or physics or engineering background to understand it. All you have to do is make a serious effort. I admit to being a grandfatherly curmudgeon. And I'm probably going to stay that way until they throw dirt on me. 73, Jim Brown K9YC ** Jim, There's nothing wrong with your attitude ! In fact I agree with it completely, as it seems that the people that are getting into the hobby recently really don't know how to fully utilize their equipment nor their antenna arrays. One buddy of mine who recently got his EXTRA (no-code) and he had even suggested that guys who wanted to get the Extra should spend at least (2)yrs operating as a (General) before being allowed to get the TOP license! If you've ever heard alot of the newer guys on the air their electrical knowledge and operating practices are rather lacking (even lacking the knowledge of something as BASIC as Ohm's Laws), now that's BAD!!! At least the vast majority of guys who were licensed before the 1980s really did have to understand the electrical theory to pass the exams. Memorization just would not work then as it seems to now! Jim/nn6ee S/N 2406 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Or maybe you don't listen very well. I said nothing about a several volt signal. I'm talking about 40 over s9. Maybe I should have explained it better to the group. No the nb is not on as this will cause distortion depending upon the blanking level. (IF) blanking. I expected that some would trust that others actually know as much or more than some and know better than making the mistake of feeding a several volt signal or having the blanker on at a high level and not seeing distortion. Or maybe we can be helpful and not flame. This is not cb so maybe we should be less critical of others. Cb'ers would flame. And you have no idea that I'm an EE for General Electric. I'll forgive you. Maybe we can just relax and act like ham's not Cb'ers.. ;) Randy K8RDD - Original Message - From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] My Attitude Crew, Some feel that my posts are sometimes harshly worded. Perhaps they are. But it seems to me that someone with a General Class ham license, and especilly someone with an Extra Class ticket, ought to have spent some time studying something more than the Study Guide to pass the exam. This is ham radio, not CB radio. A ham license is not a boxtop license. As hams, we are granted rather extensive operating privileges on the basis of our technical knowledge, our advancement of the state of the art, and our preparedness for emergencies. As hams, it is our responsibility to STUDY this stuff. The ARRL Handbook is very well written, and includes chapters that cover all of this material in a manner that is quite readable. You don't have to have a lot of math or physics or engineering background to understand it. All you have to do is make a serious effort. I admit to being a grandfatherly curmudgeon. And I'm probably going to stay that way until they throw dirt on me. 73, Jim Brown K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On Mon, 4 May 2009 16:55:02 -0400, Randy Downs wrote: Or maybe you don't listen very well. Possible. But I sure thought I read that the overload was occuring on another mobile parked in the same driveway and the signal from a dipole used by another station in whose driveway they were parked. Do the math on that and you can get several volts, depending on antenna types, directivity, and proximity. S-meters are notoriously inaccurate, especially at their upper and lower limits, even on a K3. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
