Re: [Elecraft] Prosign Confusion
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I learnt my morse procedures with the Royal Navy. = I had occasion to work some of the Royal Navy operators back in the 60s. One in particular, aboard HMS Tartar/GHGC, was one of the best traffic handlers I ever worked in 23 years in the USCG. I had the pleasure of meeting this op (Don) once when both our ships were tied up at the Navy base in Key West, FL. == 1.The use of BK or B K. I understand that K means 'go ahead' an offer to the other station to transmit - I do not see the logic in sending a B. There are actually 3 prosigns here; 1. B, 2. K, and 3. BK (overscored). 1. B meant/means more to follow 2. K invitation to transmit 3. BK - used when attempting to break the sending station. 73, Sam, KL7V Oklahoma City K2 #3158 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
Ron AC7AC Said: -- This is a list of the prosigns I'm familiar with: BK - Invite receiving station to transmit CQ - Calling any amateur radio station SOS Distress Hold on a second (AS) there Ron :-) My understanding is that BK, CQ and SOS are not to be sent with no space but as individual letters complete with the proper space around them. Isn't merging the BK or CQ together is just sloppy sending? BTW, nice call but now that I know the new @ pattern, I'll see you as @7@ :-) And with using es to mean and. It would make more sense to me to use the french word et It is even less letters. I never knew es was the american morse version of . Hmmm. Oh well, live et learn. Sorry, that should be live es learn! - Keith KD1E - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
Kieth wrote: Hold on a second (AS) there Ron :-) My understanding is that BK, CQ and SOS are not to be sent with no space but as individual letters complete with the proper space around them. There's the **biggest** mistake in Morse telegraphy! SOS is ALWAYS to be sent with NO space between the characters: . . . - - - . . . I don't know how the general knowledge came to be that it is sent as separate characters. That completely destroys the distinctive sound of the signal and is completely incorrect. It's interesting that even US military emergency radio sets like the WWII Gibson Girl hand-crank units (SCR-578, AN/CRT-3) and emergency keyers like the AN/ARA-26 (designed to automatically key an HF unit with a Morse distress signal and aircraft ID) perpetuate the S O S mistake by putting a space between letters on the code keying wheel. I blame it on the movies! As for BK, that is two letters, but like many other ham Morse customs, it really has *NO* place or value in Morse communication. The prosign K is much more to the point! Mike / KK5F ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
-Original Message- From: Mike Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Darwin, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft Discussion List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:49:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse) As for BK, that is two letters, but like many other ham Morse customs, it really has *NO* place or value in Morse communication. The prosign K is much more to the point! I disagree! The prosign K is meant for use at the end of a transmission, after the formal exchange of callsigns: CQ CQ CQ CQ DE N2EY N2EY N2EY K ES PSE QSL KK5F DE N2EY K meaning go ahead any station But BK is used in rapid-fire exchanges *without* the formal callsign exchange: .FB MOJO OM BT IS UR RIG A K2 or K1? BK BK RIG HR K2 K2 SN 2084 2084 BK BK R R DOING FB. Of course with the fine QSK of Elecraft rigs, even the BK can become superfluous. But if the other op doesn't have QSK, BK is useful to indicate that you're turning it over for a quick reply. -- There was a time when ARRL sponsored a copying bee, in which a message of unknown length and content was sent. This grew into the Code Proficiency program. One feature of the Copying Bee was the inclusion of intentional misspellings, to see if the receiving op would copy as sent or as expected. Caused more than a few to miss the perfect copy certificate. 73 (old Phillips Code abbreviation) ES (old Morse ) ZUT (old Z code abbreviation - unofficial) DE (prosign - sent as two letters) N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion
I looked up the W1AW schedule so I'll know when to find them again. It's much better, in my opinion, than tapes or computer- generated stuff, because it's 'real', over the air. The computer stuff and tapes always seemed to me to be too sterile, too perfect. Perhaps too boring and too dull. Stephanie and others - Let me recommend Ray Goff's Koch Method Morse Trainer. http://www.g4fon.net/ Not only is it a great way to become proficient in the alphabet and prosigns, Ray has gone on to add simulations of bad fists, bad noise, bad speed, bad fading ... I've found it very useful. There are mechanisms for copying sample QSOs as well as common words (and a supportive mailing list). The W1AW code practice sessions are great, too. But you can run Ray's program whenever you have 5-15 minutes to spare! 73 de chris K6DBG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion
Good suggestions, but how about just turning on the rig and reading the mail for a while for some experience of real fists? If you're just listening, no one cares if you miss characters as you build proficiency... Ron AC7AC -Original Message- I looked up the W1AW schedule so I'll know when to find them again. It's much better, in my opinion, than tapes or computer- generated stuff, because it's 'real', over the air. The computer stuff and tapes always seemed to me to be too sterile, too perfect. Perhaps too boring and too dull. Stephanie and others - Let me recommend Ray Goff's Koch Method Morse Trainer. http://www.g4fon.net/ Not only is it a great way to become proficient in the alphabet and prosigns, Ray has gone on to add simulations of bad fists, bad noise, bad speed, bad fading ... I've found it very useful. There are mechanisms for copying sample QSOs as well as common words (and a supportive mailing list). The W1AW code practice sessions are great, too. But you can run Ray's program whenever you have 5-15 minutes to spare! 73 de chris K6DBG ___ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
-Original Message- From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Elecraft Discussion List' elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:37:44 -0800 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse) One might ask what is CQ an abbreviation of? Some say it's a phonetic seek you but I've never heard a single plausible explanation of it as anything other than a prosign. It's a two-letter abbreviation like QRZ. It originated in landwire Morse, where it meant general call, all stations copy or calling all stations. Useful for sending bulletins, synchronizing clocks, etc. In wireless use it came to mean I'm looking for a QSO or calling *any* station. Such an abbreviation was not needed in landwire Morse because in that sort of operation there was no question of contact - if you were plugged into a wire, you heard everything on that wire, and if not, you heard nothing. CQD was developed by the Marconi Company to mean urgent/distress message, any stations respond essentially the same as SOS So what's the bottom line? To me it's that CW or Morse is a language and, like most languages it goes through a process of evolution and change according to popular usage. And those changes will probably bring anguish to the purists who remember the old ways just as changes in spoken and written languages of all sorts have done. I agree to a point. But we amateurs are the last widespread users of Morse Code - the keepers of the flame, as it were. I think it's up to us to preserve its unique character. And why not keep the old ways alive, if they work? Most of the old ways are the way they are for good reason. Abbreviations like 73 survived because of both their usefulness and how they sound in Morse. ES is shorter than AND, more distinctive, and just rolls off the bug with ease. There's also a genuine satisfaction from doing a thing well, as it was intended to be done, even if it's not absolutely necessary. 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
Jim, N2EY wrote: (CQ is) a two-letter abbreviation like QRZ. -- But neither of them are abbreviations (i.e. shortened words). CQ has no credible meaning as an abbreviation that I've ever seen. QRZ is one of the common Q codes that are sent as three distinct letters. The Q-codes are a set of signals all their own, neither abbreviations or prosigns. In commercial use, CQ was employed from the earliest days of public message handling. It is true that Marconi's stations were not public but private, talking only to other Marconi stations except in time of emergency. After other radio services came about in competition with Marconi, CQ was used as a general call to ANY other station who wished to contact them. In that case it was for the purpose of announcing their availability to ships who wanted to send messages. As you know, the coastal stations open for traffic would sent out a constant CQ call using their wheel (For others, the wheel was a mechanical disk with notches around the edge that rotated at a fixed speed. Contacts followed the notches to key the transmitter and send CW automatically). Interspersed with the CQ was a listing of the frequencies on which they were listening for anyone who wanted to call them. I agree about 'keeping the flame alive' and the ease of signals like ES for and. I am also very much aware of how hard the French struggle to keep the French language pure. I suspect they, among all the western nations at least, are the most dedicated to maintaining the purity of their language. Yet, common usage keeps creeping in with newly-adopted words and syntax. In our case with Morse or CW, ES became popular because it was easy and useful. We don't hear parenthesis or asterisks on the CW bands much because they aren't as useful in our casual QSO's. I applaud efforts to preserve CW, but, like any language, what is the pure form? I submit that same pressure for change in vocabulary and usage that any language experiences is constant and relentless. It is slowly changing the CW language as we know it. If that keeps More popular and in use, is that such a bad thing? Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
Nigel, G8IFF/KC8NHF wrote: If CQ is a prosign, i.e. a single character without embedded space, please explain how I should pronounce it such using 'phone modes. - Dah-di-dah-di-dah-dah-di-dah? Seriously, once you go to non-CW modes, all bets are off. Obviously CQ was adopted by phone operators from its long use as a general call to any (or all) stations on CW and the letters used to identify it as a prosign were used on 'phone. Again, in language we adapt, adopt and modify to meet the needs of the day. The phone CQ is an excellent example. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
Folks, I think we are all getting mixed mesages here - when to use a letter space, and when not to is the question. I checked the table in my 1994 ARRL Handbook for CW abbreviations and prosigns (the new handbooks have eliminated this info for some reason!). Earlier handbooks just listed the dots and dashes as though they were extra morse characters. And I know that other groups of radiotelegraphy have special symbols that have meaning to those within that group. The 'prosigns' listed in 1994 are: QRL?, CQ, AR, K, KN, BK, R, AS, SK, and CL - but the only ones indicated to be sent without a space (as one character) are AR, KN, AS, and SK - all others are indicated as being sent as 2 or more letters (indicated with a bar). The same page also has a long list of abbreviations which are obviously sent as separate letters - ES for 'and or ' is in that list of abbreviations (the 'R' and 'CL' also appear in the abbreviations list) So for my part, this is how I learned them and how I use them (I hope no-one is confused by such use) - the prosigns that are indicated with a bar to me are just another morse character (like the new character for @ which can be visualized as 'AC' with a bar over it). 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- Stephanie, VA3UXB wrote: I don't think I ever got the hang of the prosigns... I got the AR. To me, BT is a dash (-) but I don't know if that's correct or not. I sometimes get the ',' and '?' confused. The / character I know well, because I always hear it on our local repeater ident, and it it's in my beacon's ident (va3grr/b). But how can you tell an ES from the letter H? The other ones, the AR, BT, the / character, all have 'unique' sounds when you hear them, right? Isn't ES the same as 'h'? Or am I completely lost? Excellent point, Stephanie! All prosigns are sent as a single character and indicated, for the sake of simplicity, as letters that, if sent without the normal space, will produce the prosign. All prosigns are chosen so they won't have the problems you mention. This is a list of the prosigns I'm familiar with: AR - End of message AS - Stand by BK - Invite receiving station to transmit BT - Pause; Break For Text KA - Beginning of message KN - end of transmission CL - Going off the air (clear) CQ - Calling any amateur radio station K -- Go, invite any station to transmit KN - Go only, invite a specific station to transmit R -- All received OK SK - End of contact (sent before call) VE - Understood (VE) AV - Warning SOS Distress Although it can't be shown here in ASCII, a prosign is identified by a line or bar above the letters. You'll hear most of these on the Ham bands although some, like VE or AV and especially SOS will be very rarely heard. In addition to prosigns we have actual Morse characters for the arcane characters on our keyboards. These are NOT prosigns but simply combinations of dots and dashes like any letter of the English alphabet or number. (My apologies for getting careless with terminology and calling the ampersand a prosign. That's not right. Hang on. I'll get back to that). I say English because, of course, there are many other languages that have corresponding Morse codes such as the 70-odd characters used for Japanese or the various odd characters used to represent diacritical marks and special letter combinations in other European languages including Hebrew. I won't even get into Arabic and Cyrillic. In many countries, Hams have to learn and be proficient in two or three Morse Codes to get a license! Here in the USA, commercial operators recognized a group of characters for the various symbols found on a common keyboard. These were codified by the ITU for use in commercial communications by Morse. We Hams use some of them almost daily, such as the period, question mark, comma and solidus (slash). A few more are: + (plus sign) di-dah-di-dit-dah = (equal sign) dah-di-di-dit-dah (We Hams use that for a dash a lot but as dash is really) - (dash) dah-di-di-di-di-dah (quotation mark) di-dah-di-di-dah-dit ' (single quote) di-dah-dah-dah-dah-dit _ (underscore) di-di-dah-dah-di-dah $ (dollar sign) di-di-di-dah-di-di-dah There are more. There's probably one for the Euro by now G. Now THOSE you won't fine in common use on the Ham bands, at least not in any QSO I've heard! That is except for our pause when we often use the = sign. As Kevin Rock, KD5ONS, mentioned that some characters we use commonly came from the old American Morse that used variations on spacing and element lengths that don't occur in Continental or International Morse code. Dit, di-di-dit is one of those. Sent as E S it is the ampersand. Another very common one that is fading from use because of the popularity of keyers is the American Morse zero - the long dash. I'm sure
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
-Original Message- The 'prosigns' listed in 1994 are: QRL?, CQ, AR, K, KN, BK, R, AS, SK, and CL - but the only ones indicated to be sent without a space (as one character) are AR, KN, AS, and SK - all others are indicated as being sent as 2 or more letters (indicated with a bar). Folks, My error above - the phrase inside the parenthesis should have been indicated withOUT a bar Sorry for any confusion - and thanks to the folks who understood without this correction. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
In a message dated 1/12/06 1:18:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jim, N2EY wrote: (CQ is) a two-letter abbreviation like QRZ. -- But neither of them are abbreviations (i.e. shortened words). An abbreviation isn't always a shortened word - how did we get lb as an abbreviation for pound? In commercial use, CQ was employed from the earliest days of public message handling. It is true that Marconi's stations were not public but private, talking only to other Marconi stations except in time of emergency. After other radio services came about in competition with Marconi, CQ was used as a general call to ANY other station who wished to contact them. In that case it was for the purpose of announcing their availability to ships who wanted to send messages. Of course - but did it start with Marconi, or was it adapted from landwire use? As you know, the coastal stations open for traffic would sent out a constant CQ call using their wheel (For others, the wheel was a mechanical disk with notches around the edge that rotated at a fixed speed. Contacts followed the notches to key the transmitter and send CW automatically). Interspersed with the CQ was a listing of the frequencies on which they were listening for anyone who wanted to call them. Exactly! I agree about 'keeping the flame alive' and the ease of signals like ES for and. I am also very much aware of how hard the French struggle to keep the French language pure. I suspect they, among all the western nations at least, are the most dedicated to maintaining the purity of their language. Yet, common usage keeps creeping in with newly-adopted words and syntax. In our case with Morse or CW, ES became popular because it was easy and useful. We don't hear parenthesis or asterisks on the CW bands much because they aren't as useful in our casual QSO's. ES for and goes back a long way, though. I found references to it in QSTs of the 1950s, and it was used as if everyone would know what it meant. (I saw it in the bug-practice sentence SHE IS 55 ES SHE IS HIS SISTER. Try sending *that* ten times, fast, with no mistakes!) I applaud efforts to preserve CW, but, like any language, what is the pure form? Ultimately, it's what the keepers of the flame say it is...;-) I submit that same pressure for change in vocabulary and usage that any language experiences is constant and relentless. It is slowly changing the CW language as we know it. If that keeps More popular and in use, is that such a bad thing? Only if the new is better than the old. To judge whether a new form is better requires knowledge and understanding of the old way. Too often, ignorance of the past results in a repeat of the mistakes of the past. Remember the story about the railroad signal towers? 73 es ZUT de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
Hi, the lb for pound comes from Spanish(and its close Latin)libra meaning pound. 73 de Bob K3YT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion
Stephanie Maks wrote: Isn't ES the same as 'h'? Or am I completely lost? ES isn't a prosign, like AR, SK, BT, etc. It's a two letter abbreviation for 'and'. So there's a letter space between the E and he S. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
Stephanie, VA3UXB wrote: I don't think I ever got the hang of the prosigns... I got the AR. To me, BT is a dash (-) but I don't know if that's correct or not. I sometimes get the ',' and '?' confused. The / character I know well, because I always hear it on our local repeater ident, and it it's in my beacon's ident (va3grr/b). But how can you tell an ES from the letter H? The other ones, the AR, BT, the / character, all have 'unique' sounds when you hear them, right? Isn't ES the same as 'h'? Or am I completely lost? Excellent point, Stephanie! All prosigns are sent as a single character and indicated, for the sake of simplicity, as letters that, if sent without the normal space, will produce the prosign. All prosigns are chosen so they won't have the problems you mention. This is a list of the prosigns I'm familiar with: AR - End of message AS - Stand by BK - Invite receiving station to transmit BT - Pause; Break For Text KA - Beginning of message KN - end of transmission CL - Going off the air (clear) CQ - Calling any amateur radio station K -- Go, invite any station to transmit KN - Go only, invite a specific station to transmit R -- All received OK SK - End of contact (sent before call) VE - Understood (VE) AV - Warning SOS Distress Although it can't be shown here in ASCII, a prosign is identified by a line or bar above the letters. You'll hear most of these on the Ham bands although some, like VE or AV and especially SOS will be very rarely heard. In addition to prosigns we have actual Morse characters for the arcane characters on our keyboards. These are NOT prosigns but simply combinations of dots and dashes like any letter of the English alphabet or number. (My apologies for getting careless with terminology and calling the ampersand a prosign. That's not right. Hang on. I'll get back to that). I say English because, of course, there are many other languages that have corresponding Morse codes such as the 70-odd characters used for Japanese or the various odd characters used to represent diacritical marks and special letter combinations in other European languages including Hebrew. I won't even get into Arabic and Cyrillic. In many countries, Hams have to learn and be proficient in two or three Morse Codes to get a license! Here in the USA, commercial operators recognized a group of characters for the various symbols found on a common keyboard. These were codified by the ITU for use in commercial communications by Morse. We Hams use some of them almost daily, such as the period, question mark, comma and solidus (slash). A few more are: + (plus sign) di-dah-di-dit-dah = (equal sign) dah-di-di-dit-dah (We Hams use that for a dash a lot but as dash is really) - (dash) dah-di-di-di-di-dah (quotation mark) di-dah-di-di-dah-dit ' (single quote) di-dah-dah-dah-dah-dit _ (underscore) di-di-dah-dah-di-dah $ (dollar sign) di-di-di-dah-di-di-dah There are more. There's probably one for the Euro by now G. Now THOSE you won't fine in common use on the Ham bands, at least not in any QSO I've heard! That is except for our pause when we often use the = sign. As Kevin Rock, KD5ONS, mentioned that some characters we use commonly came from the old American Morse that used variations on spacing and element lengths that don't occur in Continental or International Morse code. Dit, di-di-dit is one of those. Sent as E S it is the ampersand. Another very common one that is fading from use because of the popularity of keyers is the American Morse zero - the long dash. I'm sure others with far more background in the American Morse, Continental Morse, and various international codes will have more to say. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prosign confusion (was: Anticipating Morse)
David G4DMP wrote: I don't know that one, Ron; we don't have Euros in the UK ;-) But don't forget the new one for @ for use in e-mail addresses @di-dah-dah-di-dah-dit - Yeah, that's what started the thread so I left it out. It's also the easiest for me to remember (look at my call sign!) As for British currency, there must be one for the pound sign, Hi! Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
