Re: [EM] [RangeVoting] A procedure for handling large numbers of candidates using scorevoting with primaries and runoffs.

2012-08-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

At 10:57 AM 8/15/2012, Michael Allan wrote:

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
 Asset Voting blows the whole issue out of the water.

Agreed.  Transitive voting in general is an elegant solution.  Some
methods even allow for an informalized candidacy where anyone is
eligible to receive votes without prior registration.


Thanks. I've suggested registration for public elections where, I 
know from personal experience, it can be very difficult to decipher 
and identify whom a voter intended to vote for as a write-in. In 
fact, to avoid this problem, many jurisdictions actually don't count 
write-in votes for the individual candidates but instead amalgamate 
them all as Write-In, and the ballots are only reviewed if those 
votes could make a difference.



Add the freedom to shift votes on the fly and even run-offs can be
informalized.  The election then becomes an extended (even intermin-
able) process of consensus making and re-affirmation.  This is more
suitable for open primaries of course, than for official elections.


The process can be interminable when only one or a small number of 
seats are to be elected, or a single decision must made that requires 
a majority but is complex. (Actually that's an exaggeration. Any 
democratic voting process can have no fixed end, but in practice they 
don't last forever.)


For official elections, I've suggested Asset, with some necessary 
restrictions due to the context. As the number of candidates rises, 
as I strongly expect it would, naturally, once Asset is in place, it 
will become important to set up methods for the electors (the 
now-public voters who hold received votes) to efficiently coordinate 
their votes. What I've recommended, in more detail, would be:


1. Electors may name a proxy, but this does not actually transfer 
voting power. Consider it a provisional transfer, an expression of 
trust. It is *assumed* to be transferable, but, remember, no actual 
power is transferred.
2. Being named as a proxy, you would get the email address of the 
namer. You may choose -- or not -- to provide your own direct address 
to the person who names you.

3. The proxy assignment may be changed at any time.
4. Electors may transfer a vote, without delegating the right to transfer.
5. Electors may transfer a vote with the right given to the receiver 
to further transfer.
6. Vote transfers, unlike proxies, may be partial, i.e,. X votes to A 
and Y votes to B. There might be some limit on complexity, or not.
7. Vote transfers may be revoked at any time, provided that a 
transfer that has been used to elect a seat may become irrevocable. 
(I don't like this, but this is essential for fixed elections without 
provision for direct democracy through the EC.)
8. Whenever a quota of votes are assembled, through this process, for 
a seat, the seat is declared elected. (There must be rules for how 
excess votes are handled. They might be held, provisionally, by the 
elected seat for redistibution, or they might revert, fractionally, 
to the electors who provided the votes.)


This system does allow electors to use delegable proxy if they 
choose; otherwise they retain the power and responsibility of casting 
their own votes. If delegable proxy is not considered mature and 
safe, then, this system can disallow transferability in the voting. 
Delegable proxy for generating advice is fully safe.




For an overview, see the intro sections of Green-Armytage's 2010 paper
here: http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/~armytage/proxy2010.pdf
Also: http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/~armytage/voting/#proxy
 And: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/d/theory.xht#fn-1

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Re: [EM] [RangeVoting] A procedure for handling large numbers of candidates using scorevoting with primaries and runoffs.

2012-08-15 Thread Michael Allan
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
 Asset Voting blows the whole issue out of the water.

Agreed.  Transitive voting in general is an elegant solution.  Some
methods even allow for an informalized candidacy where anyone is
eligible to receive votes without prior registration.

Add the freedom to shift votes on the fly and even run-offs can be
informalized.  The election then becomes an extended (even intermin-
able) process of consensus making and re-affirmation.  This is more
suitable for open primaries of course, than for official elections.

For an overview, see the intro sections of Green-Armytage's 2010 paper
here: http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/~armytage/proxy2010.pdf
Also: http://www.econ.ucsb.edu/~armytage/voting/#proxy
 And: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/d/theory.xht#fn-1

-- 
Michael Allan

Toronto, +1 416-699-9528
http://zelea.com/

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Re: [EM] [RangeVoting] A procedure for handling large numbers of candidates using scorevoting with primaries and runoffs.

2012-08-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

Asset Voting blows the whole issue out of the water.

I've assumed that Asset would be most functional if the ballot has no 
names on it at all. A booklet is published and available at the 
polling place with names or codes to enter for listed candidates. A 
registration fee for candidates is sufficient to pay for listing in 
the booklet. The listing is just identification, so that a voter can 
unambiguously vote for a candidate that they have chosen.


With a state with 10 million voters, there might well be 100,000 
candidates or even more.


In asset, it's only necessary to vote for one person. While Warren's 
original Asset system was hi-resolution Range, it's vastly overkill. 
It's not necessary for representation, and Asset is basically a 
parliamentary system, it creates representation for the purpose of 
completing elections.


I've mostly written about Asset as a method for creating accurate 
proportional representation, where every voter, at least in theory, 
is represented by a candidate they chose, or (probably far more 
often) by a candidate chosen by a candidate they chose, directly or 
indirectly). If it's done right, voters will actually know whom they 
elected, *their* representative. And if they vote as I expect voting 
to go in a mature question, they can actually talk with the candidate 
they actually voted for, who has publicly transferred the vote to the 
person actually elected. That's access to power, *for every voter 
capable of communicating civilly, or at least civilly enough for the 
candidate who got the vote.


Asset can be used single-winner, though. I just think that once one 
can elect a proportional assembly, that truly represents the *entire 
electorate*, direct elections of office-holders becomes an obviously 
Bad Idea. Much better to hire them, let the assembly hire and fire.


Take a hint from business.


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