Re: [EM] i don't get why mixed member rules use FPTP???

2012-02-14 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi David,


De : David L Wetzell wetze...@gmail.com
À : EM election-methods@lists.electorama.com 
Envoyé le : Lundi 13 février 2012 20h41
Objet : [EM] i don't get why mixed member rules use FPTP???



It seems like the awesomeness of using PR for part of the seats somehow makes 
up for the lousiness of FPTP for the rest of the seats. 


But why not use IRV+ for the rest?  I mean it's not unlike FPTP in how it 
tends to favor bigger parties.  According toGeorge Eaton, it
still lets there popular parties get a disproportionately large portion of 
the seats, but only when they're truly popular.


So why couldn't Germany replace FPTP for its single-member seats with IRV?


I got on this rant because I learned of the DPR approach to foster 
multi-party system in the UK.


I don't see any reason why 4-seat super districts that use 3-seat LR Hare and 
IRV+ wouldn't suffice?
Maybe the use of PR might get more folks excited about the electoral reform 
this time...
dlw


I don't think there is much to be gained from doing that in Germany. My 
understanding is that in practice voters
vote the single-winner ballot according to party, and then the PR part 
basically overrules anomalies as well. What
I mean is, suppose you used Condorcet and some minor party won a ton of 
single-winner races. Despite this, the
PR would adjust it so that the relative winnings are proportional to the party 
list vote. So the unexpected results
on the single-winner ballot result in almost nothing.

I think this would probably still be a problem in a setting with weak party 
discipline...

Kevin
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[EM] i don't get why mixed member rules use FPTP???

2012-02-13 Thread David L Wetzell
It seems like the awesomeness of using PR for part of the seats somehow
makes up for the lousiness of FPTP for the rest of the seats.

But why not use IRV+ for the rest?  I mean it's not unlike FPTP in how it
tends to favor bigger parties.  According to George
Eatonhttp://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2011/04/seats-party-election-majority,
it
still lets there popular parties get a disproportionately large portion of
the seats, but only when they're truly popular.

So why couldn't Germany replace FPTP for its single-member seats with IRV?

I got on this rant because I learned of the DPR
http://www.dprvoting.org/DPR_in_practice.htmapproach to foster
multi-party system in the UK.

I don't see any reason why 4-seat super districts that use 3-seat LR Hare
and IRV+ wouldn't suffice?
Maybe the use of PR might get more folks excited about the electoral reform
this time...
dlw

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