Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Picking up BeatBox

[Scott Ringwelski]

Hey guys, thanks for your replies.

Victor and I talked about this a little bit. What I am essentially looking
for is someone to continue the project.

That said, while talking with Victor there is one thing I would like to
*not* happen that I did not think of as an option before, and that is for a
major code overwrite into the BeatBox project. Working on Noise under
lp:beat-box doesn't seem like a great choice to me.

Other than that though, I'm really open to ideas.

If I were to propose an option myself, it would be to continue with Noise
for Luna. And for Luna + 1, merge Noise into BeatBox and continue under
BeatBox. This is similar to what Sergey suggested.

-Scott

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff <
ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:

> My personal opinion, and the only opinion I heard on IRC is "Let's use the
> BeatBox brand and the code Victor deems best". So looks like the future is
> clear :)
>
> Luna is a different story, though. I agree on keeping the brand consistent
> across releases.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Another suggestion for Luna+1: integrate workspaces and expose

[Sergio Costas]

Yes, much better. Thanks.

El 26/10/12 21:58, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff escribió:
> I've re-targeted it to Gala, the window manager / compositor, because
> that's where the change will happen.
> The new URL is
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gala/+spec/unified-workspaces-expose
>
> 2012/10/26 Sergio Costas 
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Done. I created a blueprint (I presume this is the way...). It's at
>>
>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+spec/unified-workspaces-expose
>>
>> El 26/10/12 19:39, Daniel Fore escribió:
>>> I think this is definitely something we all agree would be a good idea.
>>>
>>> Sergio can you file a bug report for this wishlist item?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Craig  wrote:
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2012 3:36 PM, "Sergio Costas"  wrote:
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> I want to propose a change for Luna+1 (of course; Luna is frozen and
>>> only accepts bugfixes): to integrate workspaces and "expose all
>>> windows", like Gnome Shell. I think it's more natural, because you have
>>> only one action for managing all your windows, and simplifies the action
>>> of moving one window from one workspace to another.
>>>
>>> Something like this:
>> http://www.rastersoft.com/expose_workspace_mockup.jpg
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] elementary Simple Scan Annoucement

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

I forgot to add that the work is available as "elementary-scan" package
from 
ppa:shnatsel/elementary-simple-scan
Right now it's a little bit behind the times, but should catch up with bzr
in a few hours.
I'll move the package to elementary Daily PPA when it clears UX team review.

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[Elementary-dev-community] Emergency Pre-Beta Contributor Meeting on Sunday

[Cody Garver]

Luna beta1 bugs are at an all time LOW. Let's meet up and figure out some
details before we get this thing off the ground.

Sunday at 18:00 UTC in #elementary-dev on freenode. Be there, developers!
If you can't, leave as many comments as you can on the
agenda
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Destiny awaits!

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Picking up BeatBox

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

My personal opinion, and the only opinion I heard on IRC is "Let's use the
BeatBox brand and the code Victor deems best". So looks like the future is
clear :)

Luna is a different story, though. I agree on keeping the brand consistent
across releases.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Another suggestion for Luna+1: integrate workspaces and expose

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

I've re-targeted it to Gala, the window manager / compositor, because
that's where the change will happen.
The new URL is
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gala/+spec/unified-workspaces-expose

2012/10/26 Sergio Costas 

> Hi:
>
> Done. I created a blueprint (I presume this is the way...). It's at
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+spec/unified-workspaces-expose
>
> El 26/10/12 19:39, Daniel Fore escribió:
> > I think this is definitely something we all agree would be a good idea.
> >
> > Sergio can you file a bug report for this wishlist item?
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Craig  wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On Oct 25, 2012 3:36 PM, "Sergio Costas"  wrote:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I want to propose a change for Luna+1 (of course; Luna is frozen and
> > only accepts bugfixes): to integrate workspaces and "expose all
> > windows", like Gnome Shell. I think it's more natural, because you have
> > only one action for managing all your windows, and simplifies the action
> > of moving one window from one workspace to another.
> >
> > Something like this:
> http://www.rastersoft.com/expose_workspace_mockup.jpg
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Another suggestion for Luna+1: integrate workspaces and expose

[Sergio Costas]

Hi:

Done. I created a blueprint (I presume this is the way...). It's at
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+spec/unified-workspaces-expose

El 26/10/12 19:39, Daniel Fore escribió:
> I think this is definitely something we all agree would be a good idea.
>
> Sergio can you file a bug report for this wishlist item?
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Craig  wrote:
> +1
>
> On Oct 25, 2012 3:36 PM, "Sergio Costas"  wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> I want to propose a change for Luna+1 (of course; Luna is frozen and
> only accepts bugfixes): to integrate workspaces and "expose all
> windows", like Gnome Shell. I think it's more natural, because you have
> only one action for managing all your windows, and simplifies the action
> of moving one window from one workspace to another.
>
> Something like this: http://www.rastersoft.com/expose_workspace_mockup.jpg
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Picking up BeatBox

[Victor Eduardo]

Scott,
sorry for the late response!

It's been almost two years since you started working on BeatBox, and so far 
you've done an amazing job!

I think it would not be fair to let a project like BeatBox die, and this seems 
to be a good chance to put an end to the duplication of labor. Sadly, this 
doesn't happen under the circumstances we'd all have liked (joining forces 
instead of dropping one of the projects). I see that both projects have 
diverged a lot over the last months, and merging them back isn't a 
small/trivial task; doing it before Luna would be counterproductive.

I guess we could kill Noise as a project/brand, and move all the work to 
BeatBox, but the real merge wouldn't happen until L+1; I'd keep working on 
Noise under lp:beat-box. Would you agree with that?

It would be a shame if we shipped a player named "Noise" for Luna, and 
"BeatBox" for L+1. Using the same brand from the start is desired.

Thanks in advance for your replies. I understand if you don't agree with my 
solution. We can always discuss other alternatives.

P.S: I'm not talking on behalf of elementary. What you read above are just my 
personal thoughts.

El lun, 22 de oct 2012 a las 9:58 ,Scott Ringwelski  
escribió: 
elementary dev,

Recently I have picked up on a new side project that I am putting 100% of my 
free time to, which means that I no longer have time for working on BeatBox. 
Although it is difficult for me to do, I'd like to pass the project off to an 
able team to maintain the project, and what better team than elementary.

I of course realize that you have Noise, but I do think that (core-wise) there 
are some advantages in BeatBox's recent core refractor that would otherwise 
take you a very long time to accomplish in Noise given nobody knows the core as 
well as I do. And, that said, we can all agree on the fact that BeatBox/Noise 
need(ed) a core refractor rather badly.

What I am proposing is a complete take over. It's yours to do as you please.

Regardless of your answer, I am looking forward to hearing back from you all.

-Scott (sgringwe)

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] New plank concept

[Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff]

Hi Sergey,

I've proposed a similar design a while ago: 
http://shnatsel.blogspot.com/2012/07/application-dock-for-2010s.html

The simple argument that defeated it was that random people I asked couldn't 
understand how to work with that, didn't recognize the icons or the whole thing 
as task switcher, etc. I tried some tweaks to remedy that but neither really 
worked. 

There are also trickier problems with this, see Daniel's excellent comment on 
the post for details.

On Чт., окт. 25, 2012 at 11:44 , Сергей  wrote:
Hello 

At the first, I wanted offer a vision of the dock. 

Here are some points: 
* I think it would be nice to dock in a thin line at the bottom of the screen 
with colorful application indicators. The colors are taken from the application 
icons, as in the unity panel. 
Screenshot: http://ubuntuone.com/2owax7sGZ9AdXe99l3OsGR 
Of course, we must do in the settings to disable this "compact" mode. Then fill 
the background panel and application indicators will be padded to an icon. 

* Active applications is marked by an arrow pointing down. Arrow color is taken 
from the color of the application (the lower part) 
screenshot: http://ubuntuone.com/2DGfoWsVyPy9qkrez708yz 

* Indicator color of urgent window brightens and lights. Similar can be seen in 
the unity panel. 
screenshot: http://ubuntuone.com/3Kf4YY9BqqxzezWRtiPqKd 

* When you move the pointer down the screen, with some force (depending on 
configuration), then swim application icons, with animation. 
screenshot, whitout animation :): http://ubuntuone.com/1HVi0W6oKtXhl75JTy5RXG 

* Color of the panel is the same, what is the background color, which displays 
the desktop. 
screenshot: http://ubuntuone.com/1rFoIuNWe1qO5CdlUx3twe 

At the second, I wanted to say - can be implemented dock as part of the gala or 
wing-panel? 

PS 
I'm not a designer, so it could look ugly. 
PPS 
Here's the source code works: 
http://ubuntuone.com/0SeZqa9w9xrT3imuSUw422 
http://ubuntuone.com/7OgA4UmnkRUs9LL4KcW0UR 

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] New plank concept

[Cassidy James]

Сергей,

I think the only way to implement something like this would be to keep the
current hide mode we have and to just make it look like this when it hides.
But then again I think it's not necessary.

Thanks for the idea and mockups, and I *would* be interested in seeing this
developed as some sort of third-party dock, but I don't think it fits with
our plans for the elementary dock.

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On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Daniel Foré wrote:

> Tbh, I don't think normal people are going to understand what they're
> looking at here. I asked a couple of random people today if they could find
> where to click to see open apps and they couldn't.
>
> Best Regards,
> Daniel Foré
>
> El oct 25, 2012, a las 1:13 p.m., Сергей  escribió:
>
> > Some fixes:
> > first screenshot it's state, when windows are maximize or cover dock.
> > if windows don't cover dock, dock look like on 4 screenshot(with icons).
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Another suggestion for Luna+1: integrate workspaces and expose

[Daniel Fore]

I think this is definitely something we all agree would be a good idea.

Sergio can you file a bug report for this wishlist item?

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Craig  wrote:
+1

On Oct 25, 2012 3:36 PM, "Sergio Costas"  wrote:
Hi all:

I want to propose a change for Luna+1 (of course; Luna is frozen and
only accepts bugfixes): to integrate workspaces and "expose all
windows", like Gnome Shell. I think it's more natural, because you have
only one action for managing all your windows, and simplifies the action
of moving one window from one workspace to another.

Something like this: http://www.rastersoft.com/expose_workspace_mockup.jpg

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