date:20130326

I say that we should do our own apis, no doubt about it but for a prototype
we can use the provided apis just to see how everything works and if we can
continue with that path.
Then if we decide that is the right path we can put more people working on
it and create something good.
On Mar 26, 2013 3:05 AM, Chris Timberlake gam...@gmail.com wrote:

Why not just make a supplemental api?

So you do website.com/followthru/couchbaseshit

And website.com/customapishit/

Then you are essentially having both a crunch base a pi and then a custom
a pi. It makes no sense to do double the work when someones already done it.

Plus scalability is important if your going to have an app store. At the
moment appcenter has zero chance of being a real appstore. Couchbase would
be a step in the right direction in changing that.
On Mar 25, 2013 5:34 PM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info wrote:

No what i mean is to do in this way to build a prototype, to see if it
works properly, because some people are saying that if we do it online will
be very slow. SO we can build a prototype, making the less effort possible
(this is why i said to use those APIs to access the DB) and if it works and
everyone agrees on how it is then we can work and make real APIs, written
in the language that we prefer, around it.

I think this software will be the center of everything, so we have to
make it very good, fast, easy and full of features.

So what do you think on doing it in this way?

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Joshua Strobl
truthfroml...@gmail.comwrote:

A self-build API, in my opinion, allows for more flexibility and
integration with third-party services (such as the Ubuntu Reviews API) than
a generated API from Couchbase. It may not necessarily be easier to
maintain, however we'll be able to add / remove features at our own speed
and not rely on potential breaking changes by Couchbase.

One could say that we could just stick with a particular version of
Couchbase to ensure things don't break, but that opens up the doors for
future security exploits and vulnerabilities.

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info
wrote:

Why should we waste time on building an API for it if we could just
build the database with couchbase (which is very scalable as well) and just
use those ones, they are there, we just need to prepare the queries (if
needed) I could help setting up everything.

http://www.couchbase.com/docs/couchbase-manual-2.0/couchbase-views-querying-rest-api.html
here
you can see an example, the APIs are generated automatically. I can set up
the infrastracture, define the DB with someone and just make some tests :)

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Joshua Strobl truthfroml...@gmail.com
wrote:

I do want to say, Goncalo, since I forgot to mention it in my prior
email, that if you could work on setting up and maintaining the
infrastructure, I can handle the API.

You'd have my love...or a cookie. Whatever you prefer. A cookie sounds
better.

- Joshua Strobl

--
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

2013/3/26 Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info

 Hi all,
 first of all I want to congratulate Mefrio (which I don't know his real
 name) for the good work on the AppCenter.

 From my point of view the AppCenter should be completely online, like all
 the others appstore, like Play from google, (they have even the webversion
 which is fast so I don't see why it should be fast in an app).
 So what we can do it's make it completely online, so you will load
 everything from a server and if you don't have connection you can't see
 anything.

 Or an other alternative it's to keep it like now and in the single view
 (the one of the app that you want to install) load the reviews, images etc
 in background. This could be good but You still have to synchronize with
 new apps. and what about the apps that you need to pay? those ones may not
 be on the repositories so you don't see them. Another solution could be
 that on the load of the AppCenter you download those app and update the
 local dabase.

 Which one is the best solution for you?


Before we delve into possible solutions, could you clarify what is the
problem with the way AppCenter works currently?

-- 
Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
OS architect @ elementary
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

I think that the AppCenter now is just a wrapper of packagekit, i mean,
instead of using apt you use AppCenter, how do you add reviews? paying apps
etc?


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 2013/3/26 Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info

 Hi all,
 first of all I want to congratulate Mefrio (which I don't know his real
 name) for the good work on the AppCenter.

 From my point of view the AppCenter should be completely online, like all
 the others appstore, like Play from google, (they have even the webversion
 which is fast so I don't see why it should be fast in an app).
 So what we can do it's make it completely online, so you will load
 everything from a server and if you don't have connection you can't see
 anything.

 Or an other alternative it's to keep it like now and in the single view
 (the one of the app that you want to install) load the reviews, images etc
 in background. This could be good but You still have to synchronize with
 new apps. and what about the apps that you need to pay? those ones may not
 be on the repositories so you don't see them. Another solution could be
 that on the load of the AppCenter you download those app and update the
 local dabase.

 Which one is the best solution for you?


 Before we delve into possible solutions, could you clarify what is the
 problem with the way AppCenter works currently?

 --
 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 OS architect @ elementary
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

2013/3/26 Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info

 I think that the AppCenter now is just a wrapper of packagekit, i mean,
 instead of using apt you use AppCenter, how do you add reviews? paying apps
 etc?


No, it's not. PackageKit API does not provide application screenshots, for
example. They're fetched on-demand from http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ or
http://screenshots.debian.org/ (they're the same website anyway).

As for paid apps, there's a staggering number of possibilities. Ideally
we'd use something distribution- and vendor-independent, and I have a few
ideas on how to achieve that. But IMO it's too early to discuss
implementing paid apps yet. We'll design the architecture for that when we
get there.

-- 
Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
OS architect @ elementary
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

So we are going to rewrite it? Why in linux community people like to
rewrite things? We need to plan stuff to work on in and then implement.
Here, everyone likes just to implement. Why dont we think about the future.
Use our brains to build something that it will stay like this?
On Mar 26, 2013 10:07 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 2013/3/26 Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info

 I think that the AppCenter now is just a wrapper of packagekit, i mean,
 instead of using apt you use AppCenter, how do you add reviews? paying apps
 etc?


 No, it's not. PackageKit API does not provide application screenshots, for
 example. They're fetched on-demand from http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ or
 http://screenshots.debian.org/ (they're the same website anyway).

 As for paid apps, there's a staggering number of possibilities. Ideally
 we'd use something distribution- and vendor-independent, and I have a few
 ideas on how to achieve that. But IMO it's too early to discuss
 implementing paid apps yet. We'll design the architecture for that when we
 get there.

 --
 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 OS architect @ elementary
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] UI Freeze

2013-03-26 Thread Dani Pratomo


I have the same problem. Mine has different trigger than yours.
It was triggered by clicking network indicator then the UI freeze 
exactly like yours.

I installed Luna 32bit in very old system:
AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+
RAM 1.3 GB
VGA GeForce 9800 GT
Motherboard NFORCE4-A754

And I filed bug report some times ago: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/1097604
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

If you do everything on your own deciding everything, there's no need to
follow that.
Saying that. Good luck with the AppCenter ;)


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Joshua Strobl truthfroml...@gmail.comwrote:

 There is a limiting factor on what we can implement from third parties.
 For instance, with Ubuntu Reviews API, we (along with everyone else) has
 read-only access, therefore we are not able to apply our own ratings and
 reviews (obviously a write process). This is already going to be covered in
 the API, I'll be pushing out code by the end of the week (hopefully) that
 will handle a portion of this.

 The general idea is to either completely pull all the reviews / ratings
 from Ubuntu, pretty much regarding every application (although I'd prefer
 we only limit to applications that are actually popular) and store them in
 our own database. This will ensure that any breaking changes that occur in
 Ubuntu's Reviews API do not affect AppCenter, since the reviews are stored
 with us anyways. Another idea would be to continue pulling reviews /
 ratings from Ubuntu's Reviews API and only store reviews / ratings by
 elementary OS users.

 It is really up to group consensus. This isn't so much about rewriting
 things, its more like leveraging existing APIs to get a good jumpstart on
 an AppCenter.

 I would appreciate if you'd follow
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/appcenter/+bug/1091406, as I'll be posting
 details, potentially initial JSON formatted string files (for showing how
 some of the data will be structured when being requested via an HTTP
 Request) and at some point I'll link to the repo for the API.

 - Joshua Strobl

 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info wrote:

 So we are going to rewrite it? Why in linux community people like to
 rewrite things? We need to plan stuff to work on in and then implement.
 Here, everyone likes just to implement. Why dont we think about the future.
 Use our brains to build something that it will stay like this?
 On Mar 26, 2013 10:07 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 2013/3/26 Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info

 I think that the AppCenter now is just a wrapper of packagekit, i mean,
 instead of using apt you use AppCenter, how do you add reviews? paying apps
 etc?


 No, it's not. PackageKit API does not provide application screenshots,
 for example. They're fetched on-demand from
 http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ or http://screenshots.debian.org/(they're the 
 same website anyway).

 As for paid apps, there's a staggering number of possibilities. Ideally
 we'd use something distribution- and vendor-independent, and I have a few
 ideas on how to achieve that. But IMO it's too early to discuss
 implementing paid apps yet. We'll design the architecture for that when we
 get there.

 --
 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 OS architect @ elementary


-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

2013-03-26 Thread Joshua Strobl

As I said, these decisions need to be a group consensus. We're not 
going to be the next Canonical.


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info 
wrote:
If you do everything on your own deciding everything, there's no need 
to follow that. 

Saying that. Good luck with the AppCenter ;)


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Joshua Strobl 
truthfroml...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a limiting factor on what we can implement from third 
parties. For instance, with Ubuntu Reviews API, we (along with 
everyone else) has read-only access, therefore we are not able to 
apply our own ratings and reviews (obviously a write process). This 
is already going to be covered in the API, I'll be pushing out code 
by the end of the week (hopefully) that will handle a portion of 
this.


The general idea is to either completely pull all the reviews / 
ratings from Ubuntu, pretty much regarding every application 
(although I'd prefer we only limit to applications that are actually 
popular) and store them in our own database. This will ensure that 
any breaking changes that occur in Ubuntu's Reviews API do not 
affect AppCenter, since the reviews are stored with us anyways. 
Another idea would be to continue pulling reviews / ratings from 
Ubuntu's Reviews API and only store reviews / ratings by elementary 
OS users.


It is really up to group consensus. This isn't so much about 
rewriting things, its more like leveraging existing APIs to get a 
good jumpstart on an AppCenter.


I would appreciate if you'd follow 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/appcenter/+bug/1091406, as I'll be 
posting details, potentially initial JSON formatted string files 
(for showing how some of the data will be structured when being 
requested via an HTTP Request) and at some point I'll link to the 
repo for the API.


- Joshua Strobl

On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info 
wrote:
So we are going to rewrite it? Why in linux community people like 
to rewrite things? We need to plan stuff to work on in and then 
implement. Here, everyone likes just to implement. Why dont we 
think about the future. Use our brains to build something that it 
will stay like this?


On Mar 26, 2013 10:07 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

2013/3/26 Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info
I think that the AppCenter now is just a wrapper of packagekit, i 
mean, instead of using apt you use AppCenter, how do you add 
reviews? paying apps etc?




No, it's not. PackageKit API does not provide application 
screenshots, for example. They're fetched on-demand from 
http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ or http://screenshots.debian.org/ 
(they're the same website anyway).


As for paid apps, there's a staggering number of possibilities. 
Ideally we'd use something distribution- and vendor-independent, 
and I have a few ideas on how to achieve that. But IMO it's too 
early to discuss implementing paid apps yet. We'll design the 
architecture for that when we get there.

 
--
Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
OS architect @ elementary







-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

I started this to discuss but you are saying that you will be pushing code.
lol, doesn't look group consensus but it's fine, good luck


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Joshua Strobl truthfroml...@gmail.comwrote:

 As I said, these decisions need to be a group consensus. We're not going
 to be the next Canonical.


 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info wrote:

 If you do everything on your own deciding everything, there's no need to
 follow that.
 Saying that. Good luck with the AppCenter ;)


  On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Joshua Strobl 
 truthfroml...@gmail.comwrote:

 There is a limiting factor on what we can implement from third parties.
 For instance, with Ubuntu Reviews API, we (along with everyone else) has
 read-only access, therefore we are not able to apply our own ratings and
 reviews (obviously a write process). This is already going to be covered in
 the API, I'll be pushing out code by the end of the week (hopefully) that
 will handle a portion of this.

 The general idea is to either completely pull all the reviews / ratings
 from Ubuntu, pretty much regarding every application (although I'd prefer
 we only limit to applications that are actually popular) and store them in
 our own database. This will ensure that any breaking changes that occur in
 Ubuntu's Reviews API do not affect AppCenter, since the reviews are stored
 with us anyways. Another idea would be to continue pulling reviews /
 ratings from Ubuntu's Reviews API and only store reviews / ratings by
 elementary OS users.

 It is really up to group consensus. This isn't so much about rewriting
 things, its more like leveraging existing APIs to get a good jumpstart on
 an AppCenter.

 I would appreciate if you'd follow
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/appcenter/+bug/1091406, as I'll be posting
 details, potentially initial JSON formatted string files (for showing how
 some of the data will be structured when being requested via an HTTP
 Request) and at some point I'll link to the repo for the API.

 - Joshua Strobl

 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info
 wrote:

 So we are going to rewrite it? Why in linux community people like to
 rewrite things? We need to plan stuff to work on in and then implement.
 Here, everyone likes just to implement. Why dont we think about the future.
 Use our brains to build something that it will stay like this?
 On Mar 26, 2013 10:07 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 2013/3/26 Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info

 I think that the AppCenter now is just a wrapper of packagekit, i mean,
 instead of using apt you use AppCenter, how do you add reviews? paying apps
 etc?


 No, it's not. PackageKit API does not provide application screenshots,
 for example. They're fetched on-demand from
 http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ or http://screenshots.debian.org/(they're 
 the same website anyway).

 As for paid apps, there's a staggering number of possibilities. Ideally
 we'd use something distribution- and vendor-independent, and I have a few
 ideas on how to achieve that. But IMO it's too early to discuss
 implementing paid apps yet. We'll design the architecture for that when we
 get there.

 --
 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 OS architect @ elementary



-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

2013-03-26 Thread Raphael Isemann

@Goncalo Margalho, calm down. There is no decision made at the moment or
anything like that. I also don't think that Strobl wanted to nuke your part
of the discussion with a i'll make some proof-of-concept-code. If we have
code to talk about, we just have a better foundation for a discussion,
don't mind him.

Before you go crazy here with that stuff, you should first answer that:

What do you guys want from AppCenter? A user opens it and then he sees the
newest/hottest/whatever apps with some infos (my guess)? Define what
exactly is your target when proposing a radical change to a project (So far
no one has answered shnatsel's question about the problem you see in the
current AppCenter).

Someone want a webpage instead of AppCenter (if i read that correctly)?
Why?

You should first answer that before going into technical details.

2013/3/26 Chris Timberlake gam...@gmail.com

 The first decision needs to be What is AppCenter? Is it going to be an
 App Store or is it going to be just an App Center as it is now? That
 decision changes the course of the project forever. An AppStore is a huge
 undertaking that should be planned now.


 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Joshua Strobl truthfroml...@gmail.comwrote:

 As I said, these decisions need to be a group consensus. We're not going
 to be the next Canonical.


 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info
 wrote:

 If you do everything on your own deciding everything, there's no need to
 follow that.
 Saying that. Good luck with the AppCenter ;)


  On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Joshua Strobl truthfroml...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 There is a limiting factor on what we can implement from third parties.
 For instance, with Ubuntu Reviews API, we (along with everyone else) has
 read-only access, therefore we are not able to apply our own ratings and
 reviews (obviously a write process). This is already going to be covered in
 the API, I'll be pushing out code by the end of the week (hopefully) that
 will handle a portion of this.

 The general idea is to either completely pull all the reviews / ratings
 from Ubuntu, pretty much regarding every application (although I'd prefer
 we only limit to applications that are actually popular) and store them in
 our own database. This will ensure that any breaking changes that occur in
 Ubuntu's Reviews API do not affect AppCenter, since the reviews are stored
 with us anyways. Another idea would be to continue pulling reviews /
 ratings from Ubuntu's Reviews API and only store reviews / ratings by
 elementary OS users.

 It is really up to group consensus. This isn't so much about rewriting
 things, its more like leveraging existing APIs to get a good jumpstart on
 an AppCenter.

 I would appreciate if you'd follow
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/appcenter/+bug/1091406, as I'll be posting
 details, potentially initial JSON formatted string files (for showing how
 some of the data will be structured when being requested via an HTTP
 Request) and at some point I'll link to the repo for the API.

 - Joshua Strobl

 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info
 wrote:

 So we are going to rewrite it? Why in linux community people like to
 rewrite things? We need to plan stuff to work on in and then implement.
 Here, everyone likes just to implement. Why dont we think about the future.
 Use our brains to build something that it will stay like this?
 On Mar 26, 2013 10:07 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 2013/3/26 Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info

 I think that the AppCenter now is just a wrapper of packagekit, i
 mean, instead of using apt you use AppCenter, how do you add reviews?
 paying apps etc?


 No, it's not. PackageKit API does not provide application screenshots,
 for example. They're fetched on-demand from
 http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ or http://screenshots.debian.org/(they're 
 the same website anyway).

 As for paid apps, there's a staggering number of possibilities. Ideally
 we'd use something distribution- and vendor-independent, and I have a few
 ideas on how to achieve that. But IMO it's too early to discuss
 implementing paid apps yet. We'll design the architecture for that when we
 get there.

 --
 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 OS architect @ elementary



 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp




 --
 *--**--**
 Chris Timberlake*
 Technical Architect
 Phone: 515-707-5109
 gam...@gmail.com

 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp


-- 
Mailing list:

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

2013-03-26 Thread Mario Guerriero


Hi guys,

I am not 100 % favorable to a fully online AppCenter and let me explain 
why.


Populating an online database with all the infos of all the 
applications in the repositories would be an enormous waste of time and 
it should be updated each time a new thing is added to any repo. 
Moreover having everything online would make AppCenter slower while 
getting package's infos.


Payment apps should be the only apps of which details should be online 
because of we can't have them in the repos.


What I want online are the following features:

1) Screenshots: we need to abandon debian.screenshot.net platform in 
order to have screenshots taken in elementary OS.


2) Ratings  Reviews: Ubuntu servers seems to have read only 
permissions but, even if I am sure that investigating a bit we can 
obtain write permissions too, it's better to implement our own RR 
platform. That's because we want to have a full elementary experience 
i.e. some elementary applications could look bad with Ubuntu's theme 
and we don't want people complaining for the bad aspect and giving us 
bad feedbacks.


3) Banners and/or home page: about this point I am not sure. Having 
banners download by AppCenter would be quite easy but maybe a whole 
home page could be a better idea.


Before we discuss what technology to use we have to discuss how we want 
to structure the platform itself.


Maybe having a developer meeting as we used to do would be a good 
solution to define all these points. 


Best regards,
Mario

Il mar, mar 26, 2013 at 3:17 ,Goncalo Margalho g...@margalho.info ha 
scritto:
I'm very calm, don't worry, what I would like is to discuss that 
question What do you guys want from AppCenter? I see and app center 
like the apple AppStore or the google Play. what about the others?


Yes, having code to talk about it's good, when you have 200 
developers you ask 10 to create something and then compare. but at 
the moment there are just few developers, so let's define, plan, 
discuss and when we know what we want to achieve let's try to create 
it.





On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Raphael Isemann 
teempe...@gmail.com wrote:
@Goncalo Margalho, calm down. There is no decision made at the 
moment or anything like that. I also don't think that Strobl wanted 
to nuke your part of the discussion with a i'll make some 
proof-of-concept-code. If we have code to talk about, we just have 
a better foundation for a discussion, don't mind him.


Before you go crazy here with that stuff, you should first answer 
that:


What do you guys want from AppCenter? A user opens it and then he 
sees the newest/hottest/whatever apps with some infos (my guess)? 
Define what exactly is your target when proposing a radical change 
to a project (So far no one has answered shnatsel's question about 
the problem you see in the current AppCenter).


Someone want a webpage instead of AppCenter (if i read that 
correctly)? Why? 


You should first answer that before going into technical details.

2013/3/26 Chris Timberlake gam...@gmail.com
The first decision needs to be What is AppCenter? Is it going to 
be an App Store or is it going to be just an App Center as it is 
now? That decision changes the course of the project forever. An 
AppStore is a huge undertaking that should be planned now.



On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Joshua Strobl 
truthfroml...@gmail.com wrote:
As I said, these decisions need to be a group consensus. We're not 
going to be the next Canonical.



On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Goncalo Margalho 
g...@margalho.info wrote:
If you do everything on your own deciding everything, there's no 
need to follow that. 

Saying that. Good luck with the AppCenter ;)


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Joshua Strobl 
truthfroml...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a limiting factor on what we can implement from third 
parties. For instance, with Ubuntu Reviews API, we (along with 
everyone else) has read-only access, therefore we are not able 
to apply our own ratings and reviews (obviously a write 
process). This is already going to be covered in the API, I'll 
be pushing out code by the end of the week (hopefully) that will 
handle a portion of this.


The general idea is to either completely pull all the reviews / 
ratings from Ubuntu, pretty much regarding every application 
(although I'd prefer we only limit to applications that are 
actually popular) and store them in our own database. This will 
ensure that any breaking changes that occur in Ubuntu's Reviews 
API do not affect AppCenter, since the reviews are stored with 
us anyways. Another idea would be to continue pulling reviews / 
ratings from Ubuntu's Reviews API and only store reviews / 
ratings by elementary OS users.


It is really up to group consensus. This isn't so much about 
rewriting things, its more like leveraging existing APIs to get 
a good jumpstart on an AppCenter.


I would appreciate if you'd follow 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/appcenter/+bug/1091406, as I'll be

[Elementary-dev-community] Code-Review/MergeProps notifications in IRC and/or ML

2013-03-26 Thread Raphael Isemann

Hi everyone,

just wanted to throw the idea into the room that a bot maybe could make
some short messages in #elementary-dev or a dedicated IRC-channel when a
merge-proposal get's made to get more people into code reviews (and also to
make merge-proposals to get a faster feedback).

I think there are some programs out there that could do the job so i don't
think it is so much work.

Opinions on that?

- Raphael Teemperor Isemann
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Code-Review/MergeProps notifications in IRC and/or ML

2013-03-26 Thread David Gomes

There are programs to do that with Github, I'm not so sure about Bazaar.
It's a neat feature, of course, but we also get emails, so it's not a very
important life-saver feature.


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Raphael Isemann teempe...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi everyone,

 just wanted to throw the idea into the room that a bot maybe could make
 some short messages in #elementary-dev or a dedicated IRC-channel when a
 merge-proposal get's made to get more people into code reviews (and also to
 make merge-proposals to get a faster feedback).

 I think there are some programs out there that could do the job so i don't
 think it is so much work.

 Opinions on that?

 - Raphael Teemperor Isemann

 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp


-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Code-Review/MergeProps notifications in IRC and/or ML

2013-03-26 Thread Mario Guerriero

Sergey was planning to make a team of developers for the high quality 
code review. Just ask him more informations.


Il mar, mar 26, 2013 at 4:24 ,Raphael Isemann teempe...@gmail.com ha 
scritto:

Hi everyone,

just wanted to throw the idea into the room that a bot maybe could 
make some short messages in #elementary-dev or a dedicated 
IRC-channel when a merge-proposal get's made to get more people into 
code reviews (and also to make merge-proposals to get a faster 
feedback).


I think there are some programs out there that could do the job so i 
don't think it is so much work.


Opinions on that?

- Raphael Teemperor Isemann
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

I have to point out that this is not the appropriate time to hold such
discussion, as many interested parties are (and should be) preoccupied by
Luna-specific work items. It's better to hold it during the planning period
after Luna release, because no action will be taken until then and the
circumstances will change by that time, invalidating any conclusions made
now.

-- 
Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
OS architect @ elementary
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] The future of appcenter

2013-03-26 Thread Daniel Foré

Yes I have to agree with Sergey and Mario. 

Lets take a deep breath. I know everyone is excited about AppCenter. It's going 
to be awesome! But we do still have a release to make. 

So lets gather all our ideas about what we think the AppCenter experience 
should be and we'll have a meeting right after Luna release for AppCenter 
planning. 

Best Regards,
Daniel Foré

El mar 26, 2013, a las 8:44 a.m., Sergey \Shnatsel\ Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org escribió:

 I have to point out that this is not the appropriate time to hold such 
 discussion, as many interested parties are (and should be) preoccupied by 
 Luna-specific work items. It's better to hold it during the planning period 
 after Luna release, because no action will be taken until then and the 
 circumstances will change by that time, invalidating any conclusions made now.
 
 -- 
 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 OS architect @ elementary
 -- 
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Code-Review/MergeProps notifications in IRC and/or ML

No no no, I wanted to offload *testing* proposed code to *users*. Sorry for
the confusion - my fault. I shouldn't have shown up on IRC on 36-hour
sleep-dep.

As for merge request notifications, the simplest solution is to set up a
gmail filter for merge request notifications.

2013/3/26 David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org

 Sergey was planning to make a team of developers for the high quality
 code review. Just ask him more informations.

 I don't even remotely understand that.


 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Mario Guerriero mefri...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sergey was planning to make a team of developers for the high quality
 code review. Just ask him more informations.

 Il mar, mar 26, 2013 at 4:24 ,Raphael Isemann teempe...@gmail.com ha
 scritto:

 Hi everyone,

 just wanted to throw the idea into the room that a bot maybe could make
 some short messages in #elementary-dev or a dedicated IRC-channel when a
 merge-proposal get's made to get more people into code reviews (and also to
 make merge-proposals to get a faster feedback).

 I think there are some programs out there that could do the job so i
 don't think it is so much work.

 Opinions on that?

 - Raphael Teemperor Isemann


 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp



 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp




-- 
Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
OS architect @ elementary
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Code-Review/MergeProps notifications in IRC and/or ML

2013-03-26 Thread David Gomes

set up a gmail filter for merge request notifications.

That is exactly what I have and it works great.


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 No no no, I wanted to offload *testing* proposed code to *users*. Sorry
 for the confusion - my fault. I shouldn't have shown up on IRC on 36-hour
 sleep-dep.

 As for merge request notifications, the simplest solution is to set up a
 gmail filter for merge request notifications.


 2013/3/26 David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org

 Sergey was planning to make a team of developers for the high quality
 code review. Just ask him more informations.

 I don't even remotely understand that.


 On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Mario Guerriero mefri...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sergey was planning to make a team of developers for the high quality
 code review. Just ask him more informations.

 Il mar, mar 26, 2013 at 4:24 ,Raphael Isemann teempe...@gmail.com ha
 scritto:

 Hi everyone,

 just wanted to throw the idea into the room that a bot maybe could make
 some short messages in #elementary-dev or a dedicated IRC-channel when a
 merge-proposal get's made to get more people into code reviews (and also to
 make merge-proposals to get a faster feedback).

 I think there are some programs out there that could do the job so i
 don't think it is so much work.

 Opinions on that?

 - Raphael Teemperor Isemann


 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp



 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp




 --
 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 OS architect @ elementary
-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] UI Freeze

For everyone dropping by with me too!s, can you see if it's reproducible?
If so, double-check that the system is completely locked up (and not just
Gala) by trying to hit Ctrl+Alt+1.

Hopefully we can track this down!
On Mar 26, 2013 7:47 AM, Dani Pratomo elementaryi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have the same problem. Mine has different trigger than yours.
 It was triggered by clicking network indicator then the UI freeze exactly
 like yours.
 I installed Luna 32bit in very old system:
 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+
 RAM 1.3 GB
 VGA GeForce 9800 GT
 Motherboard NFORCE4-A754

 And I filed bug report some times ago:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/1097604

 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp


-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Donate to Yorba

Thanks for the feedback, Jim! I caught that right after I sent that mail. ;)

So far we've had individual members donate if possible, and we're helping
to spread the word via our online presence.

Everyone else: if you haven't donated yet, but have some cash to drop on
the development of this awesome app, please head over there and donate. We
want Geary to rock and would benefit greatly from their success.

As far as an official donation from elementary, we're still discussing
details as a council, but we definitely want to help them out.

Regards,
Cassidy James
On Mar 25, 2013 3:28 PM, Jim Nelson j...@yorba.org wrote:

 Hey guys,

 We're doing an all-or-nothing campaign, like Kickstarter.  IndieGoGo does
 offer a flexible funding model, but as you pointed out, they eat a larger
 chunk if you don't make the goal.  See
 http://support.indiegogo.com/entries/20566503-Fixed-vs-Flexible-Funding

 I can answer any other questions as well!

 -- Jim

 On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:

 They get the money no matter what (unlike Kickstarter). The difference is
 the fee that IndieGoGo takes: 4% of the donations if the goal is reached,
 9% if it's not.

 Source: http://www.indiegogo.com/indiegogo-faq
 On Mar 25, 2013 3:18 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 As far as I know, they only get the money if they make $100k

 Yea I was also thinking somewhere in the realm of $100

 On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:15 PM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.orgwrote:

 100,000$ is a lot of spaghetti! I didn't even know we (elementary) had
 money, but if so, I don't see why we shouldn't donate something like
 50-100$.

 I don't know indiegogo works, but do they also get the money if they
 don't make 100,000$? I'm afraid that they won't get 100,000$, even though
 I'd like that very much.


 On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote:

 Hey everyone,

 Yorba just launched their crowdfunding campaign on IndieGoGo. As you
 all know, we ship two of their apps default, so we definitely owe them in
 terms of making our desktop complete and functional.

 I'm wondering if we shouldn't donate (as elementary) to Yorba's
 campaign? And if so, how much?

 Here's the link to their IndieGoGo page:
 http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-email-client

 Please share it and feel free to donate on your own as well :)

 Best Regards,

 Daniel Foré

 elementaryos.org

 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp





 --
 Best Regards,

 Daniel Foré

 elementaryos.org

 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp


-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] UI Freeze

Yeah that's what I meant. :)
On Mar 26, 2013 3:01 PM, Nishant George Agrwal 
nishantagrwal12...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cassidy, do you mean Ctrl+Alt+F1 ?

 On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:

 For everyone dropping by with me too!s, can you see if it's
 reproducible? If so, double-check that the system is completely locked up
 (and not just Gala) by trying to hit Ctrl+Alt+1.

 Hopefully we can track this down!
 On Mar 26, 2013 7:47 AM, Dani Pratomo elementaryi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have the same problem. Mine has different trigger than yours.
 It was triggered by clicking network indicator then the UI freeze exactly
 like yours.
 I installed Luna 32bit in very old system:
 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+
 RAM 1.3 GB
 VGA GeForce 9800 GT
 Motherboard NFORCE4-A754

 And I filed bug report some times ago:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/1097604

 --
 Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
 Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
 More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp


-- 
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community
More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] UI Freeze