Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Gtk.Stock has been deprecated
Hi David, Presumably this means that icon themes will not need gtk-stock icons? Or is this from a coding perspective only? On Sep 15, 2013 8:47 PM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hello, As we move to GTK+ 3.10 and Vala 0.22, we'll get some warnings with Gtk.Stock. For all of you who want to get rid of it on the apps that have already officially moved to new development libraries, here's an useful link for the new names of the old Gtk.Stock links: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AsPAM3pPwxagdGF4THNMMUpjUW5xMXZfdUNzMXhEa2coutput=html Got it from ~gregier on GTK+. ~David -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] I Distributed elementary on the street :)
Haha, I'm not sure a 13 year old giving out CD's in to a community of mostly pensioners will work out :D Besides, I literally don't know anyone on my street, not even names or what they even look like. I do, however, encourage my friend/s to use it On Aug 21, 2013 9:06 PM, Gufran dogab...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Xylon, Why not just *'Try It Out'* ? I was not serious at first either but people out there are awesome. And most of all, getting back emails and all sort of good words is an awesome feeling :) On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:19 AM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.comwrote: This is absolutely awesome. I would do exactly the same thing if I was actually old enough to be taken seriously or if I knew anyone in my community XD On Aug 21, 2013 8:41 PM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hi, You should totally record or take pictures of people and make a blog post somewhere about this (perhaps elementaryupdate), it's great PR for us and it was an awesome idea! Thank you and good job! ~David Munchor Gomes On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Gufran dogab...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys and Girls, First of all I'd mention that here in my society/locality/streets/region/state linux is not quite popular (Hell, some people doesn't even know what a linux is!), so I went out and told them an evening :) Two days ago I burnt 10 CD of luna and wrapped them in an envelop with two papers in it, First one was having instructions on how to boot with this CD and try out the live session without messing up with your computer, Full Installation instructions if you like the deal and my email address just in case someone need any help. And the second paper, well, that was about why windows sucks and why you should immediately ditch it (No, I'm not sorry). Then I went out and start looking for people who potentially owns a computer, well, you can easily find out by their backpack, job ID cards, gadgets and things like that, and it really doesn't hurt either if you ask politely. anyways, I managed to convince 10 peoples to at least try this 'thing' and handed them the CDs I had. It was fun explaining about Elementary and how awesome it is, so after coming back to home I burnt another 25 CDs and the same thing another day. and today I distributed another 12 CDs and till now I've got a lot of emails from people saying thanks. Some of them asked for a little help as well to which I replied promptly. All in all, It was an awesome venture and I guess I'm gonna get out again tomorrow and find out some more guys for another 8 CDs I have here with me. And I think you too can do it, anywhere, anytime and with anyone you like :D -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Other languages? (Was Re: Congratulations Luna developers!)
The thing about vala is that its simple enough to learn, but is still very powerful and is extremely fast. The best thing is that it was made for Gtk, which is perfect for elementary. More languages would mean that we wouldn't have unity across the applications - I do however, think that this would attract developers, especially since vala does not have very good tutorials, or books. On Aug 21, 2013 9:54 PM, Jakob Eriksson ja...@aurorasystems.eu wrote: On 2013-08-21 22:35, Kurt Smolderen wrote: look at the code. As Vala is currently missing a decent IDE (such as Eclipse,...) and debugging isn't as easy due to the fact the code is translated into C, its often very difficult to analyse the flow of a program. Available tests might help this initial contributors with And when will it be blessed to create Elementary apps in another language than Vala? If Elementary would open up to other languages, we could REALLY see increased productivity and more contributors. IMHO Objective C, C++ and maybe even Java via GCJ would be the obvious candidates. --jakob -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Other languages? (Was Re: Congratulations Luna developers!)
Like Dan said, you can write 3rd party applications in whatever language, but core elementary apps will use vala On Aug 21, 2013 10:20 PM, Albert Palacios Jimenez optimi...@gmail.com wrote: You can find non Vala applications at the software center, you can sell applications written in whatever language as long as they run properly. It is just that you application won't benefit of the Elementary + Granite + Vala ecosystem. It will probably look ugly and less appealing to your potential customers. On Aug 21, 2013, at 11:14 PM, Jakob Eriksson ja...@aurorasystems.eu wrote: On 2013-08-21 22:59, A. Xylon V. wrote: The thing about vala is that its simple enough to learn, but is still very powerful and is extremely fast. The best thing is that it was made for Gtk, which is perfect for elementary. More languages would mean that we wouldn't have unity across the applications - I do however, think that this would attract developers, especially since vala does not have very good tutorials, or books. That is an understatement. Not having support for other languages is sort of insane. Scenario: I am a developer. I develop an application for Windows and, against commercial reason, make a Linux version of it too. It's coded in a mix of C++ and Python. I think Elementary is just fantastic, so just out of love I want to make my Linux app an Elementary version. I read the HIG and love it. Then I go to http://elementaryos.org/docs/code on the FIRST page I read: If you're not familiar with Vala, we highly encourage you to brush up on it before coming here. Sorry say what? No, not going to happen. I can't redo my app in Vala, even if I wanted to, because that means I can't run it on Windows. (Or OSX, or iOS.) The dev page should read something like for Elementary core apps we use Vala as a programming language. If you want to create your own Elementary apps, we encourage you to try out Vala, which is a fantastic language. If you want to use another language, that's fine too. Here are example Hello World Elementary apps written in C++, Objective C, Python and Ruby. --jakob -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Congratulations Luna developers!
So if I understand correctly, in TDD there is a specific bit of code (lets call it C) that you build a test for. Then, instead of using the application and trying to trigger code C, you invoke the test which directly calls code C and then reports a result based on whatever input you gave it, right? On Aug 19, 2013 9:43 AM, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: Correct. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.orgwrote: So say this code for example: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementary-apps/pantheon-terminal/trunk/view/head:/src/TerminalWidget.vala#L37 Sometimes we have some issues with ReGex (see https://code.launchpad.net/~voldyman/pantheon-terminal/colon-fixed/+merge/180735 ). Is that the kind of thing we can use TDD for? Like have a bunch of URLs and see if Terminal detects them or not without any GUI, just terminal Found/Not Found messages? ~David Munchor Gomes On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Craig webe...@gmail.com wrote: David, I understand and appreciate the difficulty; however, I've had exactly zero questions about TDD. Like I said in the original post, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. Please take me up on that offer any time. Thanks, Craig On Aug 18, 2013 6:57 PM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote: This, this and this. And also many of the developers like me aren't really experienced with TDD and will have to take some time to study, learn and adapt to it. You can't just come here and tell developers, many of whom inexperienced young amateur programmers, to start using TDDs. Take me, for example, I never had proper programming education, I'm 17 years old. I know what TDD is but I've never used it before. You have to understand TDD is something very enterprise-ish and professional that big serious companies do. Look, I'm not saying we can't do it or we shouldn't do it or we won't do it - I'm just saying you need a better approach to what you're doing. I realize how useful and important TDD can be, but many of us might just be too busy having fun. Regards, David PS. I really hope I wasn't rude, I mean all I said in the nicest of ways. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote: This all sounds great and I think everybody is pro-testing, however I've yet to see a reproduce-able example or a guide regarding any kind of tests being implemented (especially by those extremely vocal about their importance). Not books or articles about why testing is good, but something that actually shows a person how to write tests for their apps. So, as Linus would say, Talk is cheap. Show me the code. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Craig webe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, tl;dr: Unit tests are pretty much necessary to have an architecture on which you can run automatic system-level tests, and if you aren't automating then testing becomes too impractical. When you describe system tests you are actually describing what are called acceptance tests or behavioral tests ( http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/functionaltests.html). Unit tests test small units of code such as classes or functions. Traditional TDD relies primarily upon unit tests, and those are primarily what I'm referring to. One of the primary purposes of unit testing is to ensure good code architecture. If you don't unit test, you probably won't have good access points for your acceptance tests (how do you verify that that Gtk.Label has the correct text when you can only access the top level window?), so automation will be out of the question. And if you aren't automating then you can't continuously integrate (running all tests every time a change is made to the repository in order to find bugs as soon as they are made). Honestly, if you aren't automating then testing becomes too impractical. On Aug 18, 2013 5:10 PM, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Craig For the clarification purposes, I'd like to separate 'automatic tests (system testst)' and 'unittests'. I consider them different things. Unittests are pieces of code that test some other pieces of the code. System tests are scripts/code/steps that test that your program (or part of it) works. Unittests are usually run automatically (by, say, unittesting framework). System tests could be run automatically or manually. There are, sometimes, frameworks for that, but in most cases it's either manual or custom developed. Unittests are (usually) developed by the same developer who developed the original code, just as in your TDD example. System tests are best developed by external party (such as users). From here on, I can agree with you on point 1, and the naming. Basically, we all agree that having *testing *is a good practice and a feasible way to manage the complexity of software. But unittesting cannot test the logical
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Congratulations Luna developers!
I believe Dan wanted to release Luna+1 AKA Isis at around the same time as Ubuntu 14.04 On Aug 18, 2013 6:41 PM, Craig webe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I posted the following message on Google Plus yesterday, but it occurred to me that the weekend may not be prime time for checking that social network. I think this message is pretty important, so I want to post it again here: (I apologize in advance for its length) Congratulations to all the developers who made Luna such a success! You've done a great job and delivered an incredible Linux experience! I know I bring this up periodically, but I'm concerned that Luna + 1 and future releases will take more and more time to release, and/or that you will quickly reach a ceiling with respect to the amount of code we'll be able to maintain before quality degrades. The cause for my concern is the nature of complexity: as software grows (that is, as code is added), bugs grow exponentially (complexity increases exponentially with logic, and bugs grow linearly with complexity). If we don't start working toward solutions that will scale with this problem, we **will** hit a ceiling with respect to the amount of complexity we will be able to support (this means fewer features or less-powerful features). I promise. I know some in the community are working toward this goal, but I think it's going to take a concerted effort on the part of the developers to take this problem seriously. I urge you all to take this problem as seriously as you take the rest of the user experience (because bugs are, at the end of the day, a sharp degradation of the user experience). In my experience, the silver bullet for combating this problem is test driven development. If you look around the software development industry, code is improving, and it's largely because TDD is catching on. And Google is a good role model in this regard (not just for us, but for everyone--they are pioneers of code quality). If you're a developer and you're unfamiliar with TDD, take some time and research it. It will pay dividends immediately. If you have any questions about development, I'm happy to provide my advice as a professional developer. Also, read up on Google's testing strategies (I recommend http://www.amazon.com/Google-Tests-Software-James-Whittaker/dp/0321803027_How Google Tests Software_). You guys are a _great_ UX shop, now let's become a great code shop. I hope this analogy doesn't offend anyone who is passionate about their tech brands, but my advice is this: Design like Apple, develop like Google. I really push you developers to continue to strive to hone your craft the way Daniel and Cassidy (and any other UX designers) are learning to hone theirs. P.S., Sorry for the book, and I hope you all take this as respectful, constructive criticism. _Please_ ask me anything about development, especially with respect to how we can keep quality high using processes rather than sheer developer effort (so as to free you developers to work on interesting problems rather than bug hunting). Thanks for reading, Craig -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna +1's Name and Some Other Stuff
I don't like isis. What about Iris? On Aug 16, 2013 8:33 PM, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm new at the maillist, but just wanna say that I like a lot the name of Isis. Bests, Albert. On 16 August 2013 21:27, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.org wrote: I like the sound of Isis. :) Regards, Cassidy James -- Sent from *elementary OS* http://elementaryos.org/. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Mario Guerriero mefri...@gmail.comwrote: Isis is fine for me. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM, alienus alie...@riseup.net wrote: Yes, the codename is great, and thanks for the other news. All seems very good. Keep up the good work. Best regards. --alienus Le 16/08/2013 21:13, Alfredo Hernández a écrit : +1 for Isis, it feels completely right for elementaryOS. On 16 Aug 2013 21:09, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org mailto:dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey dudes (and hopefully a few dudettes these days), First of all, congratulations to all of you on 100k+ downloads in the first week. That is freaking killer. We're getting rave reviews and (despite bug #1 being closed) we keep hearing from tons of people that are first-time Linux users coming from Windows and Mac OS. If you haven't been in contact with this positive energy yet, I encourage you to hit up youtube for an ego boost. Now down to business! I'm writing to announce the codename of the next elementary release: Wanking Wallaby Jk. What is this, Ubuntu? I'm leaning strongly towards Isis for this one. It's short (2 syllables), should be generally pretty easy to pronounce, etc. Isis is the egyptian mother god of the throne, friend of slaves, sinners, artisans, and the downtrodden. You can read up more about her here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis Munchor says I should go full Hitler and not allow any arguments, but if you think the name totally sucks you can definitely say that. If not, let's go with it! (And even if so, we'll probably still go with it!) Also, I think in general most of us think it would be the best idea to release Isis (see, I'm already going with it) as closely as possible to Ubuntu 14.04. We have a lot to prove about our ability to provide updates in a timely manner and we're getting some negative feedback from developers/nerds about our 12.04 base. So let's address that and make sure that elementary is the best open platform for both users and developers (and I guess nerds too). Cody is currently working on updating Congrego to spit out some super bleeding edge Saucy-based builds. If any of you are already on Saucy, you know how broken Pantheon currently is. Indicators and Plugs are huge problems that we need to address. We're considering moving both of these into lib peas plugins for Wingpanel and Switchboard (respectively). Any feedback on that plan is very welcome. In general, the first priority for Isis is going to be updating all of our apps to compile/run with the latest libraries. You should know that Midori with the latest webkitGTK is amazing. I'm working on porting eGtk and it's going pretty swell. You should also know that all the fancy libaccounts stuff is now available for someone to start playing with so we can get sweet online integration. I believe that Clutter with the touch-related bits is also available so that is also very exciting for those of use that have a multi-touch trackpad available. Anyways, let's get rolling on this cycle. We have 8 months to become even more awesome. For the greater glorification of our Holy Mother Isis, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org http://elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net mailto:elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe :
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna +1's Name and Some Other Stuff
I never thought about plants and space and stuff, Isis just sounded right. A question I have is wallpapers. I don't want to have a community wallpaper contest like Ubuntu, because, well, Ubuntu's wallpapers are rubbish. But is Dan gonna choose all the walls or do developers and designers etc get a say? On Aug 16, 2013 9:48 PM, Avi Romanoff a...@elementaryos.org wrote: As I've said before, +1 for Isis :) I can just hear the multitudes saying WHAT??? BUT I THOUGHT THE NAMING SCHEME WAS BASED ON PLANTS AND SPACE AND STUFF! It will be good to set the record straight ;) On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Allen Lowe lallenl...@gmail.com wrote: Isis sounds great to me! On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.comwrote: Just to clarify on my last mail, Iris is the Greek Goddess of the Rainbow. And, well, elementary is colourful :) On Aug 16, 2013 8:45 PM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like isis. What about Iris? On Aug 16, 2013 8:33 PM, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm new at the maillist, but just wanna say that I like a lot the name of Isis. Bests, Albert. On 16 August 2013 21:27, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.orgwrote: I like the sound of Isis. :) Regards, Cassidy James -- Sent from *elementary OS* http://elementaryos.org/. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Mario Guerriero mefri...@gmail.comwrote: Isis is fine for me. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM, alienus alie...@riseup.net wrote: Yes, the codename is great, and thanks for the other news. All seems very good. Keep up the good work. Best regards. --alienus Le 16/08/2013 21:13, Alfredo Hernández a écrit : +1 for Isis, it feels completely right for elementaryOS. On 16 Aug 2013 21:09, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org mailto:dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey dudes (and hopefully a few dudettes these days), First of all, congratulations to all of you on 100k+ downloads in the first week. That is freaking killer. We're getting rave reviews and (despite bug #1 being closed) we keep hearing from tons of people that are first-time Linux users coming from Windows and Mac OS. If you haven't been in contact with this positive energy yet, I encourage you to hit up youtube for an ego boost. Now down to business! I'm writing to announce the codename of the next elementary release: Wanking Wallaby Jk. What is this, Ubuntu? I'm leaning strongly towards Isis for this one. It's short (2 syllables), should be generally pretty easy to pronounce, etc. Isis is the egyptian mother god of the throne, friend of slaves, sinners, artisans, and the downtrodden. You can read up more about her here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis Munchor says I should go full Hitler and not allow any arguments, but if you think the name totally sucks you can definitely say that. If not, let's go with it! (And even if so, we'll probably still go with it!) Also, I think in general most of us think it would be the best idea to release Isis (see, I'm already going with it) as closely as possible to Ubuntu 14.04. We have a lot to prove about our ability to provide updates in a timely manner and we're getting some negative feedback from developers/nerds about our 12.04 base. So let's address that and make sure that elementary is the best open platform for both users and developers (and I guess nerds too). Cody is currently working on updating Congrego to spit out some super bleeding edge Saucy-based builds. If any of you are already on Saucy, you know how broken Pantheon currently is. Indicators and Plugs are huge problems that we need to address. We're considering moving both of these into lib peas plugins for Wingpanel and Switchboard (respectively). Any feedback on that plan is very welcome. In general, the first priority for Isis is going to be updating all of our apps to compile/run with the latest libraries. You should know that Midori with the latest webkitGTK is amazing. I'm working on porting eGtk and it's going pretty swell. You should also know that all the fancy libaccounts stuff is now available for someone to start playing with so we can get sweet online integration. I believe that Clutter with the touch-related bits is also available so that is also very exciting for those of use that have a multi-touch trackpad available. Anyways, let's get rolling on this cycle. We have 8 months to become even more awesome. For the greater glorification of our Holy Mother Isis, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org http://elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net mailto:elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna +1's Name and Some Other Stuff
I'm actually warming to Isis. I mean, we'll get used to it no matter what name it is. Atleast its not as bad as Saucy Salamander On Aug 16, 2013 10:39 PM, Kristjan Vool ticta...@gmail.com wrote: The name Isis is just simply awful. Apollo sounds a lot stronger and better, makes it feel more elementary'sh. If you don't believe me, just spell it out! If Apollo is no go, at least lets use Iris instead... laupäev, 17. august, 2013 - 0:21,Raphael Isemann teempe...@gmail.com kirjutas: Isis is AFAIK used by some people as a synonym for Transpluto, so a purely hypothetical part of the space-and-stuff-people-group is also happy with that name. You guys/girls understand? Purely hypothetical. Hehe... So yes, i applaud for Isis and my great pun. 2013/8/16 Avi Romanoff a...@elementaryos.org As I've said before, +1 for Isis :) I can just hear the multitudes saying WHAT??? BUT I THOUGHT THE NAMING SCHEME WAS BASED ON PLANTS AND SPACE AND STUFF! It will be good to set the record straight ;) On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Allen Lowe lallenl...@gmail.com wrote: Isis sounds great to me! On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.comwrote: Just to clarify on my last mail, Iris is the Greek Goddess of the Rainbow. And, well, elementary is colourful :) On Aug 16, 2013 8:45 PM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like isis. What about Iris? On Aug 16, 2013 8:33 PM, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm new at the maillist, but just wanna say that I like a lot the name of Isis. Bests, Albert. On 16 August 2013 21:27, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.orgwrote: I like the sound of Isis. :) Regards, Cassidy James -- Sent from *elementary OS* http://elementaryos.org/. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Mario Guerriero mefri...@gmail.com wrote: Isis is fine for me. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM, alienus alie...@riseup.netwrote: Yes, the codename is great, and thanks for the other news. All seems very good. Keep up the good work. Best regards. --alienus Le 16/08/2013 21:13, Alfredo Hernández a écrit : +1 for Isis, it feels completely right for elementaryOS. On 16 Aug 2013 21:09, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org mailto:dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey dudes (and hopefully a few dudettes these days), First of all, congratulations to all of you on 100k+ downloads in the first week. That is freaking killer. We're getting rave reviews and (despite bug #1 being closed) we keep hearing from tons of people that are first-time Linux users coming from Windows and Mac OS. If you haven't been in contact with this positive energy yet, I encourage you to hit up youtube for an ego boost. Now down to business! I'm writing to announce the codename of the next elementary release: Wanking Wallaby Jk. What is this, Ubuntu? I'm leaning strongly towards Isis for this one. It's short (2 syllables), should be generally pretty easy to pronounce, etc. Isis is the egyptian mother god of the throne, friend of slaves, sinners, artisans, and the downtrodden. You can read up more about her here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis Munchor says I should go full Hitler and not allow any arguments, but if you think the name totally sucks you can definitely say that. If not, let's go with it! (And even if so, we'll probably still go with it!) Also, I think in general most of us think it would be the best idea to release Isis (see, I'm already going with it) as closely as possible to Ubuntu 14.04. We have a lot to prove about our ability to provide updates in a timely manner and we're getting some negative feedback from developers/nerds about our 12.04 base. So let's address that and make sure that elementary is the best open platform for both users and developers (and I guess nerds too). Cody is currently working on updating Congrego to spit out some super bleeding edge Saucy-based builds. If any of you are already on Saucy, you know how broken Pantheon currently is. Indicators and Plugs are huge problems that we need to address. We're considering moving both of these into lib peas plugins for Wingpanel and Switchboard (respectively). Any feedback on that plan is very welcome. In general, the first priority for Isis is going to be updating all of our apps to compile/run with the latest libraries. You should know that Midori with the latest webkitGTK is amazing. I'm working on porting eGtk and it's going pretty swell. You should also know that all the fancy libaccounts stuff is now available for someone to start playing with so we can get sweet online integration. I believe that Clutter with the touch-related bits is also available so that is also very exciting for those of use that have a multi-touch trackpad available. Anyways, let's get rolling
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna +1's Name and Some Other Stuff
I thought Jupiter was Roman and Zeus was greek? But anyway, the priority is clearly to get everything working on Saucy, and then do the stuff that the feature freeze didn't let us do. This includes removing X dependencies and moving away from Ubuntu dependant stuff. On Aug 16, 2013 10:51 PM, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: But Jupiter is Greek! I was hoping for settling on one group of deities as well, but honestly I do not think it matters any more. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Harvey Cabaguio harveycabag...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the naming scheme was Roman deities, not deities in general? Like Pantheon is the home of the roman gods right? On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:43 PM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.comwrote: I'm actually warming to Isis. I mean, we'll get used to it no matter what name it is. Atleast its not as bad as Saucy Salamander On Aug 16, 2013 10:39 PM, Kristjan Vool ticta...@gmail.com wrote: The name Isis is just simply awful. Apollo sounds a lot stronger and better, makes it feel more elementary'sh. If you don't believe me, just spell it out! If Apollo is no go, at least lets use Iris instead... laupäev, 17. august, 2013 - 0:21,Raphael Isemann teempe...@gmail.com kirjutas: Isis is AFAIK used by some people as a synonym for Transpluto, so a purely hypothetical part of the space-and-stuff-people-group is also happy with that name. You guys/girls understand? Purely hypothetical. Hehe... So yes, i applaud for Isis and my great pun. 2013/8/16 Avi Romanoff a...@elementaryos.org As I've said before, +1 for Isis :) I can just hear the multitudes saying WHAT??? BUT I THOUGHT THE NAMING SCHEME WAS BASED ON PLANTS AND SPACE AND STUFF! It will be good to set the record straight ;) On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Allen Lowe lallenl...@gmail.comwrote: Isis sounds great to me! On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.comwrote: Just to clarify on my last mail, Iris is the Greek Goddess of the Rainbow. And, well, elementary is colourful :) On Aug 16, 2013 8:45 PM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like isis. What about Iris? On Aug 16, 2013 8:33 PM, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm new at the maillist, but just wanna say that I like a lot the name of Isis. Bests, Albert. On 16 August 2013 21:27, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.orgwrote: I like the sound of Isis. :) Regards, Cassidy James -- Sent from *elementary OS* http://elementaryos.org/. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Mario Guerriero mefri...@gmail.com wrote: Isis is fine for me. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:15 PM, alienus alie...@riseup.netwrote: Yes, the codename is great, and thanks for the other news. All seems very good. Keep up the good work. Best regards. --alienus Le 16/08/2013 21:13, Alfredo Hernández a écrit : +1 for Isis, it feels completely right for elementaryOS. On 16 Aug 2013 21:09, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org mailto:dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey dudes (and hopefully a few dudettes these days), First of all, congratulations to all of you on 100k+ downloads in the first week. That is freaking killer. We're getting rave reviews and (despite bug #1 being closed) we keep hearing from tons of people that are first-time Linux users coming from Windows and Mac OS. If you haven't been in contact with this positive energy yet, I encourage you to hit up youtube for an ego boost. Now down to business! I'm writing to announce the codename of the next elementary release: Wanking Wallaby Jk. What is this, Ubuntu? I'm leaning strongly towards Isis for this one. It's short (2 syllables), should be generally pretty easy to pronounce, etc. Isis is the egyptian mother god of the throne, friend of slaves, sinners, artisans, and the downtrodden. You can read up more about her here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis Munchor says I should go full Hitler and not allow any arguments, but if you think the name totally sucks you can definitely say that. If not, let's go with it! (And even if so, we'll probably still go with it!) Also, I think in general most of us think it would be the best idea to release Isis (see, I'm already going with it) as closely as possible to Ubuntu 14.04. We have a lot to prove about our ability to provide updates in a timely manner and we're getting some negative feedback from developers/nerds about our 12.04 base. So let's address that and make sure that elementary is the best open platform for both users and developers (and I guess nerds too). Cody is currently working on updating Congrego to spit out some super bleeding edge Saucy-based builds. If any of you are already on Saucy, you know how broken Pantheon currently is. Indicators and Plugs are huge problems that we need
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna Post-Release
I've gotten so used to the feature freeze adding new stuff seems si weird... When will this big contributor meeting be held approximately? A week? On Aug 11, 2013 7:25 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey everyone! First of all, congratulations! You guys have been working super hard for the last two years to bring something truly awesome to desktop Linux and I think from all the amazing feedback we've received, you've definitely succeeded. You guys rock. But obviously the big question is, What now? Well I have some amazing news: feature freeze is finally over! It's time to have a little fun again. No more nose-to-the-grind with all the bug fixing. I myself am writing this from my extremely unstable Saucy install that will probably crash in a few minutes for no apparent reason. And it's freaking exciting! So my first recommendation for you guys is to upgrade yourselves. We all know that 12.04 (and thus Luna) is aging when we're talking about development. I don't think we've come to any official decision, but most of us have been casually throwing around the idea that Luna +1 should release alongside Ubuntu 14.04. We're all super excited about the latest Gtk, Clutter, etc. In case you didn't already know, there's a handful of suggestions for what to work on in Luna +1 here: https://launchpad.net/elementary/+milestone/0.3-beta1 But honestly, take this time to be free. You deserve it. Have fun. Give yourself a pat on the back for how awesome you all are. Once the dust settles on this release, we might want to talk about having another contributor meeting in IRC to get our heads on straight and decide on some general guidelines for Luna +1 (like a real codename, if we really want to release with 14.04, etc) Thanks again everyone and congratulations! Best Regards, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Moving Away From Ubuntu
+1 Tricking other distros...great idea! :P On Jul 9, 2013 3:23 PM, Craig webe...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Jul 9, 2013 12:03 AM, Conscious User consciousu...@gmail.com wrote: Erm... I'm not sure how to answer this. None of your replies seem to be relevant or even directly related to what I said. Em Seg, 2013-07-08 às 23:27 -0500, Cody Garver escreveu: If anyone is an opponent of GNOME tech right now it's proprietary video driver developers. Those are concrete issues that affect any non-Intel GPU user. I haven't seen any hostility from Ubuntu. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Cody Garver c...@elementaryos.org wrote: My sentence ran out of fuel there. PPAs are immensely valuable and eclipse any popular sentiment right now. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Cody Garver c...@elementaryos.org wrote: PPAs. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Conscious User consciousu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Some time ago, I have noticed that an app I'm developing had some rendering issues only when the Ubuntu overlay scrollbars were being used. When I took this to Ubuntu developers, I was told that my best chance was to patch the scrollbars myself because no one was currently working on them. This is a symptom of something that, for anyone who's been following the Ubuntu developer community, should be quite evident at this point: due to the move to QML and touch, GTK and the rest of the stack Ubuntu had been using will now be second-class citizens, and it is only a matter of time before this change of status starts to gradually creep into overall stability and speed of fixing bugs. This wouldn't be much of a problem if Ubuntu simply packaged and shipped a vanilla GNOME stack, but the problem is that they ship a patched stack mixed with unpolished Ayatana projects which might now never get any more polish. And this might get worse with the move to Mir, as Canonical will probably need to add and maintain Mir support to GTK by itself. My intention here is not to question any direction Canonical is taking, but to question how much it still makes sense to build elementary on top of Ubuntu instead of a distro that uses a more vanilla GNOME stack or at least one that still treats it as a first-class citizen. It might be a good time to have a serious discussion on this. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Cody Garver -- Cody Garver -- Cody Garver -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Elementary-dev-community] New GtkSwitch image
I have an idea for a new GtkSwitch image in the eGtk theme. See the attached file. This new GtkSwitch is skeuomorphic, and more intuitive from a user's POV (I think anyway). The user can immediately tell what to do, as they can relate to a light switch in real life, and therefore know the clicking on it will turn the option on/off. This is not as obvious in the current switch. However, I am not sure if this is possible to implement in Gtk3 css. -- My blog, yeaaah! http://skeptichacker.wordpress.com attachment: SwitchMockupQuick.png-- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] New GtkSwitch image
It has become a standard in modern operating systems Ehem...this is me being stupid, but what is the standard switch in current modern operating systems anyway? On 24 May 2013 15:15, Alfredo Hernández aldomann.desi...@gmail.com wrote: The current one is clear enough and It has become a standard in modern operating systems. I don't see the need to change it. Regards. On 24 May 2013 13:09, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.com wrote: I have an idea for a new GtkSwitch image in the eGtk theme. See the attached file. This new GtkSwitch is skeuomorphic, and more intuitive from a user's POV (I think anyway). The user can immediately tell what to do, as they can relate to a light switch in real life, and therefore know the clicking on it will turn the option on/off. This is not as obvious in the current switch. However, I am not sure if this is possible to implement in Gtk3 css. -- My blog, yeaaah! http://skeptichacker.wordpress.com -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- My blog, yeaaah! http://skeptichacker.wordpress.com -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
