[Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Craig
Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop machine
(which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real irritation when
trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the mouse--the user has to
take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the keyboard (many keyboards
don't have a super key near the arrow keys), activate the workspace
switching motion, and then return their hand to their mouse to continue
working. This isn't as big a problem on a laptop as most laptops have
semi-decent trackpads right below the keyboard; however, on a typical
desktop, this is a real irritation.

Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by
default) I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change
workspaces; however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard
which still feels tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose
coming up with a solution. It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're
like me (having one application open per workspace) this can be a real
annoyance.

Thoughts?
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread satch...@gmail.com
Hot corners is the solution, but it's part of a bigger question of whether
Luna is coming with any hot corners enabled by default.

On 7 October 2012 21:17, Craig webe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop machine
 (which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real irritation when
 trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the mouse--the user has to
 take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the keyboard (many keyboards
 don't have a super key near the arrow keys), activate the workspace
 switching motion, and then return their hand to their mouse to continue
 working. This isn't as big a problem on a laptop as most laptops have
 semi-decent trackpads right below the keyboard; however, on a typical
 desktop, this is a real irritation.

 Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by
 default) I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change
 workspaces; however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard
 which still feels tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose
 coming up with a solution. It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're
 like me (having one application open per workspace) this can be a real
 annoyance.

 Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/94 is the answer

2012/10/7 Craig webe...@gmail.com

 Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop machine
 (which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real irritation when
 trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the mouse--the user has to
 take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the keyboard (many keyboards
 don't have a super key near the arrow keys), activate the workspace
 switching motion, and then return their hand to their mouse to continue
 working. This isn't as big a problem on a laptop as most laptops have
 semi-decent trackpads right below the keyboard; however, on a typical
 desktop, this is a real irritation.

 Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by
 default) I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change
 workspaces; however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard
 which still feels tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose
 coming up with a solution. It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're
 like me (having one application open per workspace) this can be a real
 annoyance.

 Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
For power users there's EasyStroke, but I doubt we'll ship that by default.
Multitouch should also help on some machines.

2012/10/7 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/94 is the answer

 2012/10/7 Craig webe...@gmail.com

 Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop
 machine (which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real
 irritation when trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the
 mouse--the user has to take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the
 keyboard (many keyboards don't have a super key near the arrow keys),
 activate the workspace switching motion, and then return their hand to
 their mouse to continue working. This isn't as big a problem on a laptop as
 most laptops have semi-decent trackpads right below the keyboard; however,
 on a typical desktop, this is a real irritation.

 Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by
 default) I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change
 workspaces; however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard
 which still feels tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose
 coming up with a solution. It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're
 like me (having one application open per workspace) this can be a real
 annoyance.

 Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Dane Henson
This brings up another annoyance that I have seen in my use of elementary.  
When I use Luna, I use it on a laptop.  I like to perform most of my actions 
using the keyboard if I can.  However, when I use the expose all windows 
shortcut [Super + w], I have to move my hand to the touchpad/mouse in order to 
select the window I want.

I believe there should be an easy way (arrow keys, or the like) to select the 
window I want and then press enter/space/something to bring it to the front.  I 
haven't discovered anything for it yet, unless you guys snuck it into a newer 
daily image.

If everyone agrees, I can open a bug for it.  Sorry for adding yet another 
thing to the list.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:
For power users there's EasyStroke, but I doubt we'll ship that by default. 
Multitouch should also help on some machines.

2012/10/7 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org
https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/94 is the answer

2012/10/7 Craig webe...@gmail.com
Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop machine 
(which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real irritation when 
trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the mouse--the user has to 
take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the keyboard (many keyboards don't 
have a super key near the arrow keys), activate the workspace switching motion, 
and then return their hand to their mouse to continue working. This isn't as 
big a problem on a laptop as most laptops have semi-decent trackpads right 
below the keyboard; however, on a typical desktop, this is a real irritation.

Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by default) 
I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change workspaces; 
however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard which still feels 
tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose coming up with a solution. 
It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're like me (having one application 
open per workspace) this can be a real annoyance.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Keith Adair
Dane +1. No. +1000
On Oct 7, 2012 10:00 AM, Dane Henson d...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 This brings up another annoyance that I have seen in my use of elementary.
  When I use Luna, I use it on a laptop.  I like to perform most of my
 actions using the keyboard if I can.  However, when I use the expose all
 windows shortcut [Super + w], I have to move my hand to the touchpad/mouse
 in order to select the window I want.

 I believe there should be an easy way (arrow keys, or the like) to select
 the window I want and then press enter/space/something to bring it to the
 front.  I haven't discovered anything for it yet, unless you guys snuck it
 into a newer daily image.

 If everyone agrees, I can open a bug for it.  Sorry for adding yet another
 thing to the list.

 On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 For power users there's EasyStroke, but I doubt we'll ship that by
 default. Multitouch should also help on some machines.

 2012/10/7 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/94 is the answer

 2012/10/7 Craig webe...@gmail.com

 Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop
 machine (which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real
 irritation when trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the
 mouse--the user has to take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the
 keyboard (many keyboards don't have a super key near the arrow keys),
 activate the workspace switching motion, and then return their hand to
 their mouse to continue working. This isn't as big a problem on a laptop as
 most laptops have semi-decent trackpads right below the keyboard; however,
 on a typical desktop, this is a real irritation.

 Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by
 default) I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change
 workspaces; however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard
 which still feels tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose
 coming up with a solution. It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're
 like me (having one application open per workspace) this can be a real
 annoyance.

 Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Daniel Fore
Hey Dane,

I think there's already a bug report for that :) You might want to check and 
then add yourself as affected.

Craig,

As mentioned before, I think there are a few solutions we should make available 
in addition to the keyboard shortcuts: a multitouch gesture (not yet 
implemented), a dock shortcut (also not implemented), and hotcorners 
(implemented). I personally use the hotcorners and I think they work really 
well.

I don't think however that we should ship any hotcorners enabled by default. 
For people that don't understand what hot corners are, having one activate is 
incredible disorienting. But I think with the new Desktop plug, it's relatively 
easy to configure.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Dane Henson d...@elementaryos.org wrote:
This brings up another annoyance that I have seen in my use of elementary.  
When I use Luna, I use it on a laptop.  I like to perform most of my actions 
using the keyboard if I can.  However, when I use the expose all windows 
shortcut [Super + w], I have to move my hand to the touchpad/mouse in order to 
select the window I want.

I believe there should be an easy way (arrow keys, or the like) to select the 
window I want and then press enter/space/something to bring it to the front.  I 
haven't discovered anything for it yet, unless you guys snuck it into a newer 
daily image.

If everyone agrees, I can open a bug for it.  Sorry for adding yet another 
thing to the list.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:
For power users there's EasyStroke, but I doubt we'll ship that by default. 
Multitouch should also help on some machines.

2012/10/7 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org
https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/94 is the answer

2012/10/7 Craig webe...@gmail.com
Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop machine 
(which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real irritation when 
trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the mouse--the user has to 
take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the keyboard (many keyboards don't 
have a super key near the arrow keys), activate the workspace switching motion, 
and then return their hand to their mouse to continue working. This isn't as 
big a problem on a laptop as most laptops have semi-decent trackpads right 
below the keyboard; however, on a typical desktop, this is a real irritation.

Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by default) 
I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change workspaces; 
however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard which still feels 
tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose coming up with a solution. 
It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're like me (having one application 
open per workspace) this can be a real annoyance.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Sergio Costas
Even would be nice to be able to use Super+z to go left, and Super+x to 
go right, or something like that. I hate to have to move the mouse down 
to a hot corner, or having to drop the mouse.


El 07/10/12 17:47, Craig escribió:

Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop machine
(which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real irritation when
trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the mouse--the user has to
take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the keyboard (many keyboards
don't have a super key near the arrow keys), activate the workspace
switching motion, and then return their hand to their mouse to continue
working. This isn't as big a problem on a laptop as most laptops have
semi-decent trackpads right below the keyboard; however, on a typical
desktop, this is a real irritation.

Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by
default) I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change
workspaces; however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard
which still feels tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose
coming up with a solution. It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're
like me (having one application open per workspace) this can be a real
annoyance.

Thoughts?






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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
2012/10/7 Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com

  Even would be nice to be able to use Super+z to go left, and Super+x to
 go right, or something like that. I hate to have to move the mouse down to
 a hot corner, or having to drop the mouse.


There's a proposal to assign the actions of Super+Arrow keys to Super+WASD
keys which is a great idea IMHO.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Sergio Costas
But at least it should be available as a key configurable with dconf. 
Currently it's only possible to change go to the first workspace and 
go to the last workspace, but not go to the next/previous workspace


El 07/10/12 19:20, satch...@gmail.com escribió:

While being able to switch workspaces with one hand, I think WASD is
non-obvious, especially when all four are commonly used as window
management shortcuts in other OSes (the first three in Ubuntu and the last
one in Windows; I think Super+S is also used in Windows for system
something or the other). I think a launcher makes sense, as do hot corners.

On 7 October 2012 22:43, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org

wrote:
2012/10/7 Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com


  Even would be nice to be able to use Super+z to go left, and Super+x to
go right, or something like that. I hate to have to move the mouse down to
a hot corner, or having to drop the mouse.


There's a proposal to assign the actions of Super+Arrow keys to Super+WASD
keys which is a great idea IMHO.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Dane Henson
This brings up another annoyance that I have seen in my use of elementary.  
When I use Luna, I use it on a laptop.  I like to perform most of my actions 
using the keyboard if I can.  However, when I use the expose all windows 
shortcut [Super + w], I have to move my hand to the touchpad/mouse in order to 
select the window I want.

I believe there should be an easy way (arrow keys, or the like) to select the 
window I want and then press enter/space/something to bring it to the front.  I 
haven't discovered anything for it yet, unless you guys snuck it into a newer 
daily image.

If everyone agrees, I can open a bug for it.  Sorry for adding yet another 
thing to the list.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:
For power users there's EasyStroke, but I doubt we'll ship that by default. 
Multitouch should also help on some machines.

2012/10/7 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org
https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/94 is the answer

2012/10/7 Craig webe...@gmail.com
Having just switched from Ubuntu 10.10 to Elementary on my desktop machine 
(which I haven't used in over a year), I've noticed a real irritation when 
trying to switch workspaces while one hand is on the mouse--the user has to 
take a hand off the mouse, put both hands on the keyboard (many keyboards don't 
have a super key near the arrow keys), activate the workspace switching motion, 
and then return their hand to their mouse to continue working. This isn't as 
big a problem on a laptop as most laptops have semi-decent trackpads right 
below the keyboard; however, on a typical desktop, this is a real irritation.

Under older versions of Ubuntu (the ones that used the compiz cube by default) 
I liked being able to hold ctrl+alt and then click/drag to change workspaces; 
however, that still requires moving one hand to the keyboard which still feels 
tedious if your hand isn't there already. I propose coming up with a solution. 
It may not seem like a big deal, but if you're like me (having one application 
open per workspace) this can be a real annoyance.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Craig
Can we sub in a mouse activity in place of a key combo?
On Oct 7, 2012 5:03 PM, Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found how to change the keys for moving from one workspace to another:
 open dconf-editor, and go to

 org-gnome-desktop-wm-keybindings

 and there, modify switch-to-workspace-left and
 switch-to-workspace-right.

 El 07/10/12 19:20, satch...@gmail.com escribió:
  While being able to switch workspaces with one hand, I think WASD is
  non-obvious, especially when all four are commonly used as window
  management shortcuts in other OSes (the first three in Ubuntu and the
 last
  one in Windows; I think Super+S is also used in Windows for system
  something or the other). I think a launcher makes sense, as do hot
 corners.
 
  On 7 October 2012 22:43, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 ser...@elementaryos.org
  wrote:
  2012/10/7 Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com
 
   Even would be nice to be able to use Super+z to go left, and Super+x
 to
  go right, or something like that. I hate to have to move the mouse
 down to
  a hot corner, or having to drop the mouse.
 
  There's a proposal to assign the actions of Super+Arrow keys to
 Super+WASD
  keys which is a great idea IMHO.
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Sergio Costas
I don't know... Anyway, it's not perfect, because there's a problem with
key autorepeat :( If you press Super, then Z, it goes left; if you then
release Z, but keep Super, it stops (as expected), but if you now press
again Z, it doesn't do left again; you must keep both keys pressed, or
release both and press them again.

El 08/10/12 00:25, Craig escribió:
 Can we sub in a mouse activity in place of a key combo?
 On Oct 7, 2012 5:03 PM, Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found how to change the keys for moving from one workspace to another:
 open dconf-editor, and go to

 org-gnome-desktop-wm-keybindings

 and there, modify switch-to-workspace-left and
 switch-to-workspace-right.

 El 07/10/12 19:20, satch...@gmail.com escribió:
 While being able to switch workspaces with one hand, I think WASD is
 non-obvious, especially when all four are commonly used as window
 management shortcuts in other OSes (the first three in Ubuntu and the
 last
 one in Windows; I think Super+S is also used in Windows for system
 something or the other). I think a launcher makes sense, as do hot
 corners.
 On 7 October 2012 22:43, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 ser...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:
 2012/10/7 Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com

  Even would be nice to be able to use Super+z to go left, and Super+x
 to
 go right, or something like that. I hate to have to move the mouse
 down to
 a hot corner, or having to drop the mouse.

 There's a proposal to assign the actions of Super+Arrow keys to
 Super+WASD
 keys which is a great idea IMHO.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Craig
I'm confused. Super+Z doesn't do anything for me... Am I using an old
version?

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know... Anyway, it's not perfect, because there's a problem with
 key autorepeat :( If you press Super, then Z, it goes left; if you then
 release Z, but keep Super, it stops (as expected), but if you now press
 again Z, it doesn't do left again; you must keep both keys pressed, or
 release both and press them again.

 El 08/10/12 00:25, Craig escribió:
  Can we sub in a mouse activity in place of a key combo?
  On Oct 7, 2012 5:03 PM, Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I found how to change the keys for moving from one workspace to another:
  open dconf-editor, and go to
 
  org-gnome-desktop-wm-keybindings
 
  and there, modify switch-to-workspace-left and
  switch-to-workspace-right.
 
  El 07/10/12 19:20, satch...@gmail.com escribió:
  While being able to switch workspaces with one hand, I think WASD is
  non-obvious, especially when all four are commonly used as window
  management shortcuts in other OSes (the first three in Ubuntu and the
  last
  one in Windows; I think Super+S is also used in Windows for system
  something or the other). I think a launcher makes sense, as do hot
  corners.
  On 7 October 2012 22:43, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
  ser...@elementaryos.org
  wrote:
  2012/10/7 Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com
 
   Even would be nice to be able to use Super+z to go left, and Super+x
  to
  go right, or something like that. I hate to have to move the mouse
  down to
  a hot corner, or having to drop the mouse.
 
  There's a proposal to assign the actions of Super+Arrow keys to
  Super+WASD
  keys which is a great idea IMHO.
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mouse-based Workspace Switching

2012-10-07 Thread Sergio Costas
Have you open dconf-editor, and modified switch-to-workspace-left and
switch-to-workspace-right at org-gnome-desktop-wm-keybindings?

El 08/10/12 00:43, Craig escribió:
 I'm confused. Super+Z doesn't do anything for me... Am I using an old
 version?

 On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know... Anyway, it's not perfect, because there's a problem with
 key autorepeat :( If you press Super, then Z, it goes left; if you then
 release Z, but keep Super, it stops (as expected), but if you now press
 again Z, it doesn't do left again; you must keep both keys pressed, or
 release both and press them again.

 El 08/10/12 00:25, Craig escribió:
 Can we sub in a mouse activity in place of a key combo?
 On Oct 7, 2012 5:03 PM, Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found how to change the keys for moving from one workspace to another:
 open dconf-editor, and go to

 org-gnome-desktop-wm-keybindings

 and there, modify switch-to-workspace-left and
 switch-to-workspace-right.

 El 07/10/12 19:20, satch...@gmail.com escribió:
 While being able to switch workspaces with one hand, I think WASD is
 non-obvious, especially when all four are commonly used as window
 management shortcuts in other OSes (the first three in Ubuntu and the
 last
 one in Windows; I think Super+S is also used in Windows for system
 something or the other). I think a launcher makes sense, as do hot
 corners.
 On 7 October 2012 22:43, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 ser...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:
 2012/10/7 Sergio Costas rasters...@gmail.com

  Even would be nice to be able to use Super+z to go left, and Super+x
 to
 go right, or something like that. I hate to have to move the mouse
 down to
 a hot corner, or having to drop the mouse.

 There's a proposal to assign the actions of Super+Arrow keys to
 Super+WASD
 keys which is a great idea IMHO.

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 OS architect @ elementary

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