Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On 12 Jun 2009, at 00:59, Memnon Anon wrote: Hi! Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: On 2009-06-11 21:49 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png That screen shot looks very beautiful. There's one minor glitch. The font is non anti-alias. I agree, the screenshot is nice and shows some of the great features of orgmode. I just want to add another think for consideration: Pictures often give people their first impression of a software, as stupid as it is. What do you all think of the used colors? I'm afraid I have to agree... The first impression I had was Auw... Too many heavy colors, big non-aliased text... It lacks a certain style, which is a pity because org-mode itself has plenty of it. I'm also not sure the unicorn should be pasted into the window like that, as if it is part of the content. Sorry I can't be more constructive at this time :-( Cheers, and all the luck! Peter. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On 12 Jun 2009, at 05:58, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Jun 12, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Memnon Anon wrote: Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: On 2009-06-11 21:49 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png That screen shot looks very beautiful. There's one minor glitch. The font is non anti-alias. Pictures often give people their first impression of a software, as stupid as it is. What do you all think of the used colors? I do to some extend agree with you. The buffer picture does look very colored and a bit unrealistic. A real buffer would look less colored because the distribution between text and functional elements would be different. These lines are so short to make them readable at all in a screenshot. Will readable lines make the case? It all boils down to the question you pose: what's its function?. I actually do use these colors currently and find them quite workable. I think there's a difference between what's workable and what's `attractive at first sight'. These days everything must be web20, soft, polished, nice graphics, ... Too attract people, it must not be workable, but pretty. I agree with the poster about the 90s look. If the function of the screenshot/logo is to attract people and make them click through, it must be appealing AND pick their interest. The one screenshot on worg with the R plots has some of those qualities, but I think it's too dark and contains too much info (window is too big for a scaled-down screenshot). The alternative --only the logo-- is not bad, but I would add a slogan, such as Your life in plain text; short and bold. The logo by itself is not well-known and might not invoke this Hey, what would that be? Let me see! reaction. Hmmm, are there any marketeers on this list? Cheers, Peter. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] unicorn-org-poetry
Stefan Vollmar voll...@nf.mpg.de writes: please find attached a draft of a different graphical approach, derived from the original unicorn graphic by a simple thresholding technique - naturally, it was captured as output from our favourite editor. I added it to the FAQ on Worg, thanks! -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I'm afraid I have to agree... The first impression I had was Auw... Too many heavy colors, big non-aliased text... It lacks a certain style, which is a pity because org-mode itself has plenty of it. Attached is another picture proposal, hopefully a bit more stylish. It uses the zenburn theme, anti-aliased fonts, etc. It certainly lack things we would like to demonstrate, like links, footnotes, etc. But I tried to make it simple. I'm also not sure the unicorn should be pasted into the window like that, as if it is part of the content. I think it okay to have the Unicorn, maybe just a bit smaller. Please have a look at this alternative picture and let us know. I like it. Also I like the Unicorn and for the purposes of this graphic I don't think it matters that it looks as though it's part of the text. You could always put a 10 paragraph disclaimer under it: Contents of the box may differ from those shown. Items displayed may not always be available in the colour shown, etc. Ian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Bastien writes: Hi Peter and all, Please have a look at this alternative picture and let us know. This is excellent! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com writes: What about changing the project's name to `OM'? That'd shave 6 more chars! ;-) Yes :) Also, let's tell the truth to save some more characters: We won because ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 12, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Memnon Anon wrote: Hi! Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: On 2009-06-11 21:49 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png That screen shot looks very beautiful. There's one minor glitch. The font is non anti-alias. I personally dislike a too heavily colored look. Especially given the fact, that the headlines in this screenshot are short and the keywords long (cf. STARTED - Invite speakers [2/3]), ~~~ ~ (colored) this results in a fruit salad like impression I think is rather distracting. What about a using a *little* bit more decent coloring? If people only do as much as clicking through to the homepage, they will see an image with less color there, and this will adjust their expectation I am sure. We cannot know what people will like to look at in advance. Maybe they'll be lucky to see a screenshot with less colors to rest their eyes on it. In the web, The current `mainstream' tends to clean pages with lots of empty space and a light background I think (e.g. emacs defaults). But what does that say? Nothing. What I mean to say is, that it makes no sense to take into account what people (...cultural diversity...) might think about it as long as they won't take offence of our products. Same holds true for the 140 character sentences. It should be done the Org-mode way - and Org-mode is extremely flexible. Org-mode would accept something between 100 and 160 characters I believe :) Basically I would suggest to take an existing screenshot. We have one screenshot here and as long as there is no alternative, I'm more than fine with it. The new unicorn is great. Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: I think it's nicer when the unicorn looks the other way. I've added a few effects, but it might be too much? (it's a bit too centered now.) Wow! Nice. I actually like this effect, as it makes clear that the Unicorn has been added on the screenshot. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Peter Frings peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Take 3: glossy + mirrored :-) Nicely done... I tend to prefer the previous one. I feel the 3D depth is a bit too large. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] mail delivery problems...
Hi Bastien, for some odd reasons my posts to emacs-orgmode@gnu.org all fail... This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org (message too big? nope, smaller ones fail as well...) So I guess our conversation didn't make it, and neither did the screenshots. Is it worth reposting them? If so, could you forward them? Thanks, Peter. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
This picture looks great. I kinda like the first one Carsten sent out that some though was too colorful. That shot also highlighted the fact that keys were 'special'. This shot is dangerously close to look like we're just passing off a colorized outline. I wonder if we could put together something that showed a little bit both screen shots. It would demonstrate one piece of org-mode's flexibility/tailor-ability. Overall though, good work! I like how the example text explains to the viewer what he is seeing. Edd On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:26 AM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: last attempt... with small jpg. (reposted with smaller image size) On 12 Jun 2009, at 12:34, Bastien wrote: Peter Frings peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Take 3: glossy + mirrored :-) Nicely done... I tend to prefer the previous one. I feel the 3D depth is a bit too large. yep :-) Take 4: Kappa kappa? ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
2009/6/12 Eddward DeVilla eddw...@gmail.com: This picture looks great. I kinda like the first one Carsten sent out that some though was too colorful. That shot also highlighted the fact that keys were 'special'. This shot is dangerously close to look like we're just passing off a colorized outline. I wonder if we could put together something that showed a little bit both screen shots. It would demonstrate one piece of org-mode's flexibility/tailor-ability. Overall though, good work! I like how the example text explains to the viewer what he is seeing. Agreed, the colourful one Carsten sent is still my favourite too! I understand people might not like the strong colours, but lighter colours risk being lost on whatever page this shot is included on. Plus I love the revised unicorn! I may be biased though as I'm also using the same pmade colour theme. R. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Thank you all for this discussion and contribution! I am at a loss which we should choose now. I have put the pictures both on orgmode.org/i.html lets have a vote, or some more discussion. - Carsten On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:46 PM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: On 12 Jun 2009, at 15:10, Bastien wrote: peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: Take 4: Mhh.. yes! I like it more like that. One small (last?) request: would it be possible to have a light grey color instead of the white band on the right? I think it would be faithful to the idea, while being more visually sound. You mean like this? Take 5: org-uni4.jpgmime-attachment.txt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I am really nobody to comment in this thread... Just a silent user of this great package... But I saw the screen-shots and I thought that hey! where's the powerful, highly customizable agenda? I think it is one of the greatest aspects of org-mode, and guess that should be somehow included too... Just my 2 cents... Chipping in.. :) Regards, Saurabh. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Eddward DeVilla eddw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Carsten Dominikcarsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Dan Davison wrote: John Rakestraw li...@johnrakestraw.com writes: Hi Carsten and the list -- I really like the ideas, and I'm trying merely to shorten -- see suggestions below. --John I also do like Brian's description a lot. But it is 190 characters, I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much? I have been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures the essence. Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your car. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the power of Emacs. Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text, with features hidden until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. (unless (string-match Our project is a sourceforge-submission-sentence 0) (message shouldn't we follow the instructions?)) 1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is [-foo-]. This is a good point, maybe they will be picky about it. Also, I am now thinking the 140 chars, what to the english native speakers here think: Is this includin or excluding the given sentence start? Our project is a tool to master personal/project data your way, in plain text, with features out of your way until needed, backed by the power of Emacs. - Carsten Just a little nit, but should we play up the emacs part? (... backed by the power of Emacs.) It is an important part of org-mode power, but I'm just thinking about the emacs/vi flame wars and people who might not be able to see past that fact that it's just an emacs editing mode to give org-mode a fair look. If we want to attract the emacs fans, I think the screen shot will make it obvious to them. Anyhow, it's just a thought. It looks like everything is coming together good. Edd 2. Complete this sentence, also in about 140 characters: We should win because [-bar-]. For example, We should win because we have a strong community and we solve a universal problem. We should win because by allowing people to evolve their productive selves, org-mode has created one of the best communities in the open-source world. We should win because org-mode, by making users more productive, has spawned one of the best communities in the open-source world. 3. Please provide a logo (or screenshot, if you'd prefer) for your project. It should be at least 640x480, but we'll also be showing it as a thumbnail. I am attaching the picture to this email, you can also retrieve it from http://orgmode.org/Org-mode-scc.png (((Thanks to Greg Newman for fixing up the unicorn and pasting it nicely into the screenshot - any objections against this picture? Note that it needs to work as a thumbnail as well, which this one will, I believe.))) For the time being, I am sending you this link, which is a Google Tech Talk by me (Carsten Dominik, main author of Org-mode). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTwQvgfgMM Before the deadline you should get another email from Bastien Guerry, with a link to a new video which we made just for this occasion. If so, please link to that video instead. 5. In some cases, I'm mailing several people in your community because I don't know who the right person is. If you're not the right person for me to be dealing with, please let me know. I certainly don't want to be irritating. Main address: carsten.domi...@gmail.com Secondary address: bastiengue...@googlemail.com 6. Our finalists are usually pretty interesting people. Are you willing to be contacted by our public relations team about interviews with the press? Yes. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik said unto the world at 12/06/09 10:16 AM: Thank you all for this discussion and contribution! I am at a loss which we should choose now. I have put the pictures both on orgmode.org/i.html lets have a vote, or some more discussion. - Carsten I like the first one on the page (subdued colours, left-looking unicorn) better. - It is clear that the logo is not actually part of the screenshot. - The item `Show off some of Org's features' provides useful information not present in the other screenshot. - The colour scheme looks better to my eye. I'd suggest adding a few checkbox items to the `Show off' item. `Clocking tasks,' `Simple spreadsheet,' `Export to html and LaTeX,' and `Quick capture with remember' seem useful. Finally, while I hope I am wrong about this, I suspect that it would be better were the day abbreviations in English. Best to all, Brian vdB ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
RE: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Rick Moynihan wrote: I think using analogy and metaphor might be a more effective way to get the message across in 140 characters. So rather than describing org-mode features in this constraint are we not better using the opportunity to pique curiosity? I'd been mulling this one over for a while. Don't know how good/apt others think these are: Org-mode: stop texting your friends and start texting your life. or Org-mode, for when you're ready to text your life. Something along those lines. Of course this collapses utterly if you don't use the expression texting to mean sending a text message via the SMS on a mobile/cell phone. It's common in the UK; beyond there, I don't know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_messaging -- Chris Randle ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Peter Frings peter.fri...@agfa.com writes: For those that prefer the stronger colors... FWIW: I was more skeptical about the visual complexity of the screenshot than about the deep color contrasts (which I like). More Carsten's colors with the todo.org file I just sent would be the right balance?... -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
I do find this latest screen shot too long, with too much text/info on it. What the source forge people were asking for was logo, or, if you prefer, a screen shot. This sounds to me that they will show it in a logo-like way, first a very small version as a thumbnail, than the full sized version with extra info, likely including a link to the project homepage. It is really not that I think I should be deciding this, but it still seems that a more poster-like shot does fulfil this function better. The latest version with improved fonts (by making them bold, don't know how to antialias) is orgmode.org/org-uni6.jpg - Carsten On Jun 12, 2009, at 5:45 PM, peter.fri...@agfa.com wrote: On 12 Jun 2009, at 17:34, Bastien wrote: Hi all, Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com writes: I'd suggest adding a few checkbox items to the `Show off' item. `Clocking tasks,' `Simple spreadsheet,' `Export to html and LaTeX,' and `Quick capture with remember' seem useful. I attach todo.org which contains some of the suggested modifications. Capture with remember sounds familiar to Org users, but it may not ring a bell to other people. Finally, while I hope I am wrong about this, I suspect that it would be better were the day abbreviations in English. Sure! Fixed in the file. todo.orgorg-soft.png Peter: would you mind adding the Unicorn to this screenshot? Sure! No prob! Take lost count org-uni7.jpg ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Column view
Hi I am using org-mode for project planning for sometime now. Today I had a problem when using column view. The upper headers are not updating the Effort values in the column view. See the picture: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Y6Klpj6A38sEbLGzPjdWCw?feat=directlink Please, help me. Thanks, -- Flavio Souza flaviostz AT gmail.com skype: flaviostz msn: flavio...@hotmail.com http://www.flaviosouza.net ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 09:08, Carsten Dominikcarsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote: What the source forge people were asking for was logo, or, if you prefer, a screen shot. This sounds to me that they will show it in a logo-like way, first a very small version as a thumbnail, than the full sized version with extra info, likely including a link to the project homepage. Perhaps just a logo, then.? A single screenshot cannot show everything, but a web page can. -- Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death and severe suffering, worse than MS. Conflicts of interest are destroying research. /You/ can get the disease at any time permanently. Do science and justice matter to you? http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
+1 for Sebastian's picture (org-uni6.jpg) Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: Here is a suggestion for more logo like version based on the colored version. After winning the award, the unicorn should get a laurel wreath or crown for a while :) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Column view
Flavio Souza flavio...@gmail.com writes: The upper headers are not updating the Effort values in the column view. I personally do not use the Effort functionality but It works for me with a simple test setup (with todays git version). I used a tree where some property values where mis-spelled or empty and it worked nice, as expected. But I noticed that if I had a corrupt #+COLUMNS: definition line I got similar (but not very) behavior as you when I removed some :Effort: properties in the structure (I think no new calculations where done). Just some tips, I do not know if it will help, but anyway: Maybe have a extra look at the #+COLUMNS: definition line, post it here? Are some properties damaged? What happens if you try a smaller setup in a new file, does it work? -- Mikael Fornius ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:46:23PM +0200, Sebastian Rose wrote: Here is a suggestion for more logo like version based on the colored version. After winning the award, the unicorn should get a laurel wreath or crown for a while :) Ooh, yes... +1 for me. -- Cameron Horsburgh Blog: http://spiritcry.wordpress.com/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Great! On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 09:53:44PM +0200, Sebastian Rose wrote: Here is my last attempt, I promise. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Hi Sebastian, please make this you second-to-last attempt. This is great, we should go for it, I like it! However, the green in DONE is wrong, too bright. Could you go back to a darker green? Otherwise I can my have my friend fix that detail. For the rest, thanks for helping us out of this stalemate. Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules Thanks - Carsten On Jun 12, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: Here is my last attempt, I promise. org-uni-as-logo.jpg___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Hi Sebastian, please make this you second-to-last attempt. This is great, we should go for it, I like it! However, the green in DONE is wrong, too bright. Could you go back to a darker green? Otherwise I can my have my friend fix that detail. Yes, I've changed it, but I can reverse that change again. For the rest, thanks for helping us out of this stalemate. Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules It's 510x434 currently. But I've saved it as *.xcf so scaling should be no problem (as all the texts are still text layers). Just a minute... ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Column view
Flavio Souza flavio...@gmail.com writes: Hi I am using org-mode for project planning for sometime now. Today I had a problem when using column view. The upper headers are not updating the Effort values in the column view. See the picture: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Y6Klpj6A38sEbLGzPjdWCw?feat=directlink Please, help me. Thanks, Check that your effort property is ':Effort:' and not ':EFFORT:' or some other case setting. I noticed an issue with the value showing up as blank in column mode if the case wasn't just right. HTH, -Bernt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
2009/6/12 Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules OK. Attached picture is 640x545 and has the darker green buttons again (funny actually, I did that as one of the last steps, so 3 Ctrl.-z's did the trick). How about the *.xcf file? If anyone is interested in that, I could send it offlist. It's 1 MB - not too big. +1 to Sebastian's new pic! R. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode
Hello, I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I know you can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having wikiwords (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it is not possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version. Thanks, Marcelo. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award
Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Is the picture big enough? 640x480 at least, so say the rules OK. Attached picture is 640x545 and has the darker green buttons again (funny actually, I did that as one of the last steps, so 3 Ctrl.-z's did the trick). Nice work, I like the way this is ending up. One thing, if it's still negotiable: I find STRT pretty cryptic -- I'd vote for TODO instead. Dan How about the *.xcf file? If anyone is interested in that, I could send it offlist. It's 1 MB - not too big. Best Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode
That is what the Worg project does, its linked to off the main Org-mode page. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 04:32:36PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Hello, I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I know you can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having wikiwords (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it is not possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version. Thanks, Marcelo. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode
Hmm, I thought Worg was an approach on using org (in a distributed manner, with the goal of contributing to the org-mode project itself) instead of an extension to provide wiki-enhancements to org. Or am I wrong? Thanks, Marcelo. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com wrote: That is what the Worg project does, its linked to off the main Org-mode page. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 04:32:36PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Hello, I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I know you can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having wikiwords (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it is not possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version. Thanks, Marcelo. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode
Its a shared Git repo whose content is exported to html on a regular basis. Therefor it is; - Multiuser - Versioned (Git) - Browser compatible (read only) - Based on Org (writing) All the standard hyperlinks apply. Is there something wiki-like you wanted specifically? I think the only item we don't do is CamelCase. Thanks. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 05:09:07PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Hmm, I thought Worg was an approach on using org (in a distributed manner, with the goal of contributing to the org-mode project itself) instead of an extension to provide wiki-enhancements to org. Or am I wrong? Thanks, Marcelo. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com wrote: That is what the Worg project does, its linked to off the main Org-mode page. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 04:32:36PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Hello, I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I know you can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having wikiwords (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it is not possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version. Thanks, Marcelo. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adams ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: ? ? 0x1160DCB3 ? ? ? ? ? http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: ? ?1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F ?66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode
I think the use of the work wiki here is causing confusion. I don't think you are talking about actually running a wiki based on org-mode formatted files (to which worg would be applicable). However rather than the behavior you are suggesting (automatically transforming CamelCase words into links in org-mode buffers) it should be sufficient to use the `org-insert-link' function, or if you would prefer a different syntax you could try something like the following which will prompt you for a file name after you type file and then hit the [TAB] key. --8---cut here---start-8--- ;; expand files on tab (defun org-insert-link-maybe () insert a file link depending on the context (interactive) (let ((case-fold-search t)) (if (save-excursion (when (re-search-backward [[:space:]] nil t) (forward-char 1) (looking-at \\[?\\[?file:?))) (progn (replace-match ) (org-insert-link '(4)) t) nil))) (add-hook 'org-tab-first-hook 'org-insert-link-maybe) --8---cut here---end---8--- Cheers -- Eric Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Hmm, I thought Worg was an approach on using org (in a distributed manner, with the goal of contributing to the org-mode project itself) instead of an extension to provide wiki-enhancements to org. Or am I wrong? Thanks, Marcelo. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com wrote: That is what the Worg project does, its linked to off the main Org-mode page. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 04:32:36PM -0500, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Hello, I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I know you can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having wikiwords (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it is not possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version. Thanks, Marcelo. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode
Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Hmm, I thought Worg was an approach on using org (in a distributed manner, with the goal of contributing to the org-mode project itself) instead of an extension to provide wiki-enhancements to org. Or am I wrong? Worg is loosely realated to orgmode.org. We link back and forth, but stuff committed to Worg will always show up below orgmode.org/worg/. It's not a wiki though. We push to a common repo, and that repo is pulled (I think once an hour) and then exported on (or to??) the server by emacs. That's how the site is kept up to date. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com wrote: I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I know you can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having wikiwords (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it is not possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version. There are no CamelCase links in Org-mode for a reason. But there is automatic link and page creation. I have no problem with this syntax here: [[file:../relative/path.org][Look here]] http://orgmode.org/worg file:./file.png file:somefile.org You can create the page simply by clicking on the (file) link or pressing `C-c C-o' while on it. You go back to the link with `C-x ' later on. And, automatic link creation can be done the other way round in Org-mode: If you visit an interesting place (a web page, email, man page...) you store a link to that location, whenever you either `remember' something, or through `C-c L', or click your org-remember bookmark, org-store-link bookmark, org-open-source bookmark In the `C-c L' case you may insert the link later on by pressing `C-c C-l'. In case you clicked a `store-link' bookmark, simple yanking is enough. Hm - `C-c L' and remember are even more usefull. For emacs users _very_ usefull, since you may store usefull links to a place _inside_ a source file to a file _inside_ a certain projects documentation/todo-file. But back to the wiki thing: why not use a WIKI when you need one Org-mode is ready to generate online content, yes, but online content is not ready to cope with full fledged org files (should be feasable, but no one did it). Best wishes Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode
Thank you all for the replies, What I was suggesting is something like what WikiDPad does, a local wiki-like KB. WikiDPad exposes a very agile workflow, where CameCased words get automatically identified as wiki words and it automatically create files in the filesystem with the name of the wikiword. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Sebastian Rosesebastian_r...@gmx.de wrote: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Hmm, I thought Worg was an approach on using org (in a distributed manner, with the goal of contributing to the org-mode project itself) instead of an extension to provide wiki-enhancements to org. Or am I wrong? Worg is loosely realated to orgmode.org. We link back and forth, but stuff committed to Worg will always show up below orgmode.org/worg/. It's not a wiki though. We push to a common repo, and that repo is pulled (I think once an hour) and then exported on (or to??) the server by emacs. That's how the site is kept up to date. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com wrote: I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I know you can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having wikiwords (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it is not possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version. There are no CamelCase links in Org-mode for a reason. But there is automatic link and page creation. I have no problem with this syntax here: [[file:../relative/path.org][Look here]] http://orgmode.org/worg file:./file.png file:somefile.org You can create the page simply by clicking on the (file) link or pressing `C-c C-o' while on it. You go back to the link with `C-x ' later on. And, automatic link creation can be done the other way round in Org-mode: If you visit an interesting place (a web page, email, man page...) you store a link to that location, whenever you either `remember' something, or through `C-c L', or click your org-remember bookmark, org-store-link bookmark, org-open-source bookmark In the `C-c L' case you may insert the link later on by pressing `C-c C-l'. In case you clicked a `store-link' bookmark, simple yanking is enough. Hm - `C-c L' and remember are even more usefull. For emacs users _very_ usefull, since you may store usefull links to a place _inside_ a source file to a file _inside_ a certain projects documentation/todo-file. But back to the wiki thing: why not use a WIKI when you need one Org-mode is ready to generate online content, yes, but online content is not ready to cope with full fledged org files (should be feasable, but no one did it). Best wishes Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Keeping a wiki with org-mode
Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Thank you all for the replies, What I was suggesting is something like what WikiDPad does, a local wiki-like KB. WikiDPad exposes a very agile workflow, where CameCased words get automatically identified as wiki words and it automatically create files in the filesystem with the name of the wikiword. Hi Marcelo, I just did a search of the mailing list for 'CamelCase' (search available on the org home page) and it shows that what support there was for CamelCase-style links has always been unenthusiastic and was eventually removed from the core. I think people are happy with the current syntax for links, and as Sebastian and Eric have shown, we already have convenient commands for e.g. creating the links, and creating content in the file being linked to. However, as Carsten points out in one of those threads, that's not to say someone couldn't add it as a contributed package. One of the posts thrown up by that search is by Taru Karttunen, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/13050 showing a line of perl that can help with converting existing camel case links to org style. (For most normal people I imagine that it also provides a beneficial exercise in perl regexps.) Dan On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Sebastian Rosesebastian_r...@gmx.de wrote: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Hmm, I thought Worg was an approach on using org (in a distributed manner, with the goal of contributing to the org-mode project itself) instead of an extension to provide wiki-enhancements to org. Or am I wrong? Worg is loosely realated to orgmode.org. We link back and forth, but stuff committed to Worg will always show up below orgmode.org/worg/. It's not a wiki though. We push to a common repo, and that repo is pulled (I think once an hour) and then exported on (or to??) the server by emacs. That's how the site is kept up to date. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com wrote: I wonder what is the best way to implement a wiki with org? I know you can hyperlink to anything, but what I was thinking was something automatic, like what WikiDPad does or Tomboy -- like having wikiwords (CamelCase) automatically linked as you type to a filename in the system (a specific directory you specify for the wiki). If it is not possible, it could be a nice addition for a future org version. There are no CamelCase links in Org-mode for a reason. But there is automatic link and page creation. I have no problem with this syntax here: [[file:../relative/path.org][Look here]] http://orgmode.org/worg file:./file.png file:somefile.org You can create the page simply by clicking on the (file) link or pressing `C-c C-o' while on it. You go back to the link with `C-x ' later on. And, automatic link creation can be done the other way round in Org-mode: If you visit an interesting place (a web page, email, man page...) you store a link to that location, whenever you either `remember' something, or through `C-c L', or click your org-remember bookmark, org-store-link bookmark, org-open-source bookmark In the `C-c L' case you may insert the link later on by pressing `C-c C-l'. In case you clicked a `store-link' bookmark, simple yanking is enough. Hm - `C-c L' and remember are even more usefull. For emacs users _very_ usefull, since you may store usefull links to a place _inside_ a source file to a file _inside_ a certain projects documentation/todo-file. But back to the wiki thing: why not use a WIKI when you need one Org-mode is ready to generate online content, yes, but online content is not ready to cope with full fledged org files (should be feasable, but no one did it). Best wishes Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] org-export-generic update
I finally got around to hacking on my org-export-as-generic functionality a bit more. There is a lot of improvement over last time, and probably even more things to do (because as you work through it your discover more, of course), However, usability has increased dramatically as has personal customization ability (IE, defining your own export formatting types). There is also a few example export definitions included, including: [d] demo [a] simple ascii [h] simple html [w] wikipedia [i] IETF Internet Draft XML Details and the patch can be found at: http://www.hardakers.net/code/org-mode/ -- \ Wes Hardaker http://pontifications.hardakers.net / \_ In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than / \___ the soap, and much more difficult to find. ___/ \_ -- Terry Pratchett __/ \__/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Remixing org screenshots
Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com writes: Hi all, here is a short remix of Org screenshots: http://animoto.com/play/81JrkCYndMc1Ky0dzRAIBQ This is a bit too flashy for me, and the song has been cut (The Bee Song), but still... Marvellous! But too short :) It's quite impressive if you know what org-mode is, but the images don't really convey anything to someone who might be interested in org-mode but does not know anything about it yet. Possibly slow down the fade in/outs? I love the music though! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] feature request : org-bbdb-anniversaries and iCal export
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Richard Riley wrote: I just thought I would chance my arm if anyone is doing any work on the iCal exporter. It would be GREAT if it could include the Anniversary includes which are generated from BBDB. e.g My agenda looks like: , | Friday 12 June 2009 | Anniv: Birthday: [[bbdb:Sabine F][Sabine F (35th)]] ` Where this is generated from my diary.org which includes: #+CATEGORY: Anniv %%(org-bbdb-anniversaries) Thanks to Thoman Baumann, you can now do git pull (setq org-icalendar-include-bbdb-anniversaries t) C-c C-e c - Carsten Thats fantastic! Thanks guys. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Org-Mode Demo
Ok, I guess sending this as an attachment isn't going to work. So, below is a link to a Beamer presentation that is intended to give the viewer a taste of what can be done with org-mode. http://www3.uakron.edu/randby/orgmode/demo.pdf Originally, I was going to make a video, but getting good resolution on the video was too much trouble. I will post a link to the demo on Worg as soon as I get around to it. Scott Randby ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
