Re: [Orgmode] Re: Feature idea: Automatic clocking
Hi I am also very skeptical to automate something like this. This is a typical are where it is all about the discipline to establish a habit. May experience is that if you cannot find the discipline to do it, an automatic process might does *something* for you, but you are not going to make any use of the collected data. :-( - Carsten On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Bernt Hansen wrote: PT spamfilteracco...@gmail.com writes: I just started using clocking and it seems really useful. It occured me it could also be done automatically for certain tasks which are performed in the org buffer. For example, I work on some text which I keep in an org subtree, the branches of the subtree hold the chapters, etc. If the main subtree which is the root of the document has a CLOCK property (put there by a previous manual clocking) and also an AUTOCLOCK or similar property then it could monitor if I modify the text within the subtree and start the clock automatically. If I stop modifying the subtree then after a while (say, 30 seconds, configurable) it would stop the clock automatically. So for subtrees explicitly marked for automatic clocking the user wouldn't have to start/stop the clock manually at all, org could do it itself. What do you think? Hi PT, I've been using org-mode clocking since 2006-08-29 Tue 11:44 and I am skeptical about how useful this would really be in the general case. Most of my tasks involve *thinking* not just typing so stopping the clock when I'm working on solving a problem would be bad. I also clock tasks while working on another machine which org-mode knows nothing about so stopping the clock due to inactivity isn't appropriate. I don't like the idea of automatic clocking for a number of reasons: - It lets you be sloppy about starting and stopping the clock -- which means the clock won't be running for some task you are working on (say one that is not marked for automatic clocking). This means you're going to work on stuff and not have it clocked when you need it to be at some point. I bill based on clock time and it needs to be correct. - Clocking stuff in and out rigorously is a good habit to learn if clock data is really important to you. Automatic clocking defeats this goal. - If you're clocking some important project task and you happen to touch the task marked for automatic clocking you'll clock out the project task and clock in the new task... and a short time later the clock stops when you move back to the project task but you're still really working on that original project task. Clocking the right task usually takes more intelligence than just what part of an org-file changes. I have org-clock-out-when-done set to nil so that org-mode does not stop the clock when a task is marked DONE. This makes me responsible for when the clock starts and stops for all tasks - I clock in and out for everything that matters. I change the clock when I switch tasks and I think it's really hard to get that right automatically. So there's my two cents :) Regards, Bernt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: skip-entry-if category
On Aug 22, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Matt Lundin wrote: Hi Memnon Memnon Anon wrote: However, there is one thing I am not able to figure out: Using skipping, it is easy to limit my daily agenda to certain tags like: (org-agenda-skip-function '(org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'notregexp :STUDIUM: Is it possible to do the same with Categories? I think there must be a way, but all my attempts did not work :(. I believe this is not possible with the built in org agenda skip functions, since they search only the text within the subtree and do not recognize inherited tags and properties. However, I suspect that one could build a skip function using org-entry-properties that would accomplish this goal. Much faster in this special case will be to use `org-get-category' instead of accessing all properties of the entry with org-entry-properties. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Anything like org-hide-others/org-close-others?
On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Peter Jones wrote: I'd like to have an interactive function that will return the entire buffer to the outline state (all headings closed/folded), and then reopen the heading at point. Usually I'm working in one specific location in an org file. I might jump around and open a few other headings, then continue working in my original heading. At this point, the buffer seems a bit messy with most headings closed except the one I'm working on and a few others I've opened. It would be nice to hit a key and close everything except the heading I'm in. How about S-TAB C-c C-r S-TAB goes to overview, and `C-c C-r' reveals the location of point. If you need in on a single key, write a function that calls `org-overview' and then `org-reveal'. Is this something that is already in org and I'm missing it? If not, any pointers on how to implement something like this? Thanks. -- Peter Jones - 303-219-0226 pmade inc. - http://pmade.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: autoload filed to load ical functions....more info
On Aug 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, David A. Gershman wrote: Any thoughts on this? I'm still stuck. I have the same version of emacs on both my desktop and laptop, same version of Org on both, and same .emacs on both. Yet on my laptop I get the errors but on my desktop I don't. Please read the installation section in the manual and extract from it that you need to say (require 'org-install) in .emacs. - Carsten Crazy ideas welcome... I'm running Xubuntu 8.10 which has Emacs 22.2.1 which Org 6.29c says will still work on with some restrictions (none of which were ical issues). As root, I 'make'd and 'make installed' and loaded emacs verifying Org 6.29c was in fact in place. When I issue a C-cC-ei to export an ical I get the following error: Autoloading failed to define function org-export-icalendar-this-file I get similar errors for '...all-agenda...' files. It worked on m XP *cough* box, why not here? Thanks. David A. Gershman gersh...@dagertech.net http://dagertech.net/gershman/ It's all about the path! --d. gershman David A. Gershman gersh...@dagertech.net http://dagertech.net/gershman/ It's all about the path! --d. gershman ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] C-e skips incrementally to end of a long line
Some time ago, I learned about a *feature* to allow C to go forward to the end of the line BEFORE the tags, and similarly to enable that C-a in a headline would only proceed to the beginning of the headline text, and not to the absolute line beginning. For a while, I have been suffering what appears to be a corollary of this: C-e on any long line (possibly longer than a fill-column distance) skips by increment of approximately a fill-column length, and C-e must be repeated several times on a long line to get to the end. This is somewhat annoying when using org-remember via org-protocol or org-annotation-helper, that only yank text paragraphs as a long line. I see no rhyme or reason to the pattern of the skips. Is this a bug in my setup? My customized parameter for Org Special Ctrl A/E was set C-a and C-e separately in the customize buffer. When this variable is reset to after stars/bullet and before tags first, the same thing seems to happen. Alan Davis You can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world, but when you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever about the bird... So let's look at the bird and see what it's doing---that's what counts. Richard Feynman ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Feature idea: Automatic clocking
Here is another approach to this auto-clocking question. Maybe what you really want to track is not how much time you spend on a specific task but rather how you distribute your time over the tasks. In this case, you don't need to explicitely clock in and out. You can act as if a clock was always running¹ and then you register any action you take on your Org file. Working on this X task would just be an action among others like switching task X from TODO state to NEXT, closing task X, Archiving task X, Moving task X under Tree T, etc. Thus, instead of automating the aggregation of clocked-in tasks, you consider yourself always clocked in and you automate the logging of stuff you do (from which you can extract clock information later.) I guess this idea come closer to what Samuel had in mind when he talked about profiling. ¹ Actually, astronomers from this list could tell us that the universe is such a running clock in itself :) -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
copy below in an org file: http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/ sea is denoted as subscript. 2009/8/23 Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com writes: But when link address includes `_' , `_' is always thought of as a math mode in latex. I cannot reproduce this - can you give an example? -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com writes: But when link address includes `_' , `_' is always thought of as a math mode in latex. I cannot reproduce this - can you give an example? -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
On 2009-08-23 11:58 +0100, Nick Bell wrote: Org-mode is great and I'd like to commit to it. However, I'm held back by the apparent fragility of data stored in org-files. For example, it's easy to delete entire folded trees of data with just a couple of keystrokes or a mouse click. This should not be a problem as long as you know how the undo in Emacs works. You can even use browse-kill-ring¹ to see what you have deleted in Emacs. Footnotes: ¹ http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BrowseKillRing -- Emacs uptime: 5 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, 22 seconds ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com writes:
copy below in an org file:
http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/
Works fine here. I get this:
\href{http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/}{http://swift.siphos.be/linux\_sea/}
Please provide more information:
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Re: [Orgmode] C-e skips incrementally to end of a long line
Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com writes: Some time ago, I learned about a *feature* to allow C to go forward to the end of the line BEFORE the tags, and similarly to enable that C-a in a headline would only proceed to the beginning of the headline text, and not to the absolute line beginning. For a while, I have been suffering what appears to be a corollary of this: C-e on any long line (possibly longer than a fill-column distance) skips by increment of approximately a fill-column length, and C-e must be repeated several times on a long line to get to the end. This is somewhat annoying when using org-remember via org-protocol or org-annotation-helper, that only yank text paragraphs as a long line. I see no rhyme or reason to the pattern of the skips. Is this a bug in my setup? No. Try this in your .emacs.el : (setq line-move-visual nil) PS: this variable is on by default in Emacs 23, which annoys many users. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
Nick Bell mail at nickbell.org writes: Dear List, Org-mode is great and I'd like to commit to it. However, I'm held back by the apparent fragility of data stored in org-files. For example, it's easy to delete entire folded trees of data with just a couple of keystrokes or a mouse click. This shouldn't be a big problem, because you have automatic backup of your org and other files, right? Combining this with the builtin undo and setting up Emacs' own backup properly (http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ForceBackups) makes any recent or older version of your org files easily retrievable, so no information can be lost. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
PT wrote: Nick Bell mail at nickbell.org writes: Org-mode is great and I'd like to commit to it. However, I'm held back by the apparent fragility of data stored in org-files. For example, it's easy to delete entire folded trees of data with just a couple of keystrokes or a mouse click. This shouldn't be a big problem, because you have automatic backup of your org and other files, right? Yes, I have, but I'd like something a bit better. I'm trying to write a little function using before-save-hook to compare the current buffer to the saved version and output the result of diffstat, asking the user whether they want to go ahead with the save or view the full diff. Or has someone done something like this before? I suppose one could do this with some kind of before-change- type function if feeling particularly paranoid. -- Nick Bell ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
2009/8/23 Leo sdl@gmail.com: On 2009-08-23 11:58 +0100, Nick Bell wrote: Org-mode is great and I'd like to commit to it. However, I'm held back by the apparent fragility of data stored in org-files. For example, it's easy to delete entire folded trees of data with just a couple of keystrokes or a mouse click. This should not be a problem as long as you know how the undo in Emacs works. You can even use browse-kill-ring¹ to see what you have deleted in Emacs. ...Provided you know that you killed something you didn't intend to. However, it's easy to kill a tree without noticing it had content. Maybe we could augment org-kill-line with some optional facility that checks that it doesn't encompass a collapsed section -- or less intrusively, emits a message saying it's killed a collapsed section. I'm having a hard time seeing how to code it though. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
I mean when I export to html the `sea' become subscript.
2009/8/23 Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com
waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com writes:
copy below in an org file:
http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/
Works fine here. I get this:
\href{http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/}{http://swift.siphos.be/linuxhttp://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/%7D%7Bhttp://swift.siphos.be/linux
\_sea/}
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[Orgmode] Re: Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
On 2009-08-23 13:27 +0100, Nick Bell wrote: I'm trying to write a little function using before-save-hook to compare the current buffer to the saved version and output the result of diffstat, asking the user whether they want to go ahead with the save or view the full diff. Or has someone done something like this before? See diff-buffer-with-file. -- Emacs uptime: 5 days, 22 hours, 23 minutes, 6 seconds ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com writes: I mean when I export to html the `sea' become subscript. I cannot reproduce this. Your first email didn't mention that you wanted to export to HTML, and it mentioned the LaTeX math mode... -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
Sorry . When I copy `http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/ ' to an org file , it was transformed to a link. After I export that file to html , I find `sea' in that link is subscript. It should be normal scale. This is because in org `_' was recognized as Latex command. I recommand that in link we should disable the function of `_' . 2009/8/23 Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com writes: I mean when I export to html the `sea' become subscript. I cannot reproduce this. Your first email didn't mention that you wanted to export to HTML, and it mentioned the LaTeX math mode... -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
Leo wrote: On 2009-08-23 13:27 +0100, Nick Bell wrote: I'm trying to write a little function using before-save-hook to compare the current buffer to the saved version and output the result of diffstat, asking the user whether they want to go ahead with the save or view the full diff. Or has someone done something like this before? See diff-buffer-with-file. Yes, that was the idea. I was going to hook a function into before-save-hook which does pipe diff -u $1 $2 | diffstat and show the result in some kind of minibuffer. Not sure how to set $1 and $2 (in fact, I've never written any elisp at all). I don't suppose anyone could whip up the code in a moment or two? ;-) Nick -- Nick Bell ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [PATCH] Add 2 customizations to org-annotation-helper: template-shortcut, auto-finalize-remember
Hi It is my feeling that org-annotation-helper is largely a subset of what org-protocol does. Would it not be useful to merge this new functionality into org-protocol.el? - Carsten On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Gaizka Villate wrote: Hi there! I have added a couple of customization variables to org-annotation- helper: Add 2 customizations to org-annotation-helper: template-shortcut, auto-finalize-remember - org-annotation-helper-template-shortcut : So you can choose which shortcut to use with org-annotation (I already use ?w for work template) - org-annotation-helper-auto-finalize-remember: Set to true if you want org-annotation-helper to call org- remember-finalize after filling the template. Maybe somebody is interested in applying the patch. ¡¡Thanks for org-mode!! ¡¡It's awesome!! -- Gaizka 0001-Add-2-customizations-to-org-annotation-helper- templ.patch___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Format of headings spanning days in agenda day/week view
At present they look like this: (1/2): John's Event 2009-09-03 Thu--2009-09-04 Fri I would rather the 2009-09-03 Thu--2009-09-04 Fri was missed off entirely as it's obvious from the agenda when the dates are. Also, I'm using custom time formats which these events spanning days don't seem to take with them to agenda views (but as I said I'd rather the days/times were missed off entirely) Is there any way of doing this? Thanks Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
Nick Bell m...@nickbell.org writes: It there any way I can confirm all deletions of significant amounts of data? I've tried wimpy-del.el http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/wimpy-del.el but, although it seems to work when called directly (e.g. M-x kill-region-wimpy) it doesn't intercept all other functions which might cause data deletion. Re-bind keys like C-w et al in org-mode-hook? Untested: (defun org/wimpy-kill-setup () Re-bind keys, that remove a significant amount of data. (define-key org-mode-map [(control ?w)] 'kill-region-wimpy) ;; ... ) (add-hook 'org-mode-hook 'org-/wimpy-kill-setup) Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [PATCH] Add 2 customizations to org-annotation-helper: template-shortcut, auto-finalize-remember
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Hi It is my feeling that org-annotation-helper is largely a subset of what org-protocol does. Would it not be useful to merge this new functionality into org-protocol.el? org-annotation-helper is part of org-protocol.el - that's why the authors of org-annotation-helper.el are mentioned in the head of org-protocol.el. It was what I started from actually. The functionality is included there (unless I missed something). Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
waterloo wrote: Sorry . When I copy `http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/ ' to an org file , it was transformed to a link. After I export that file to html , I find `sea' in that link is subscript. It should be normal scale. This is because in org `_' was recognized as Latex command. I recommand that in link we should disable the function of `_' . I can reproduce this, though I am not sure what the reason for it is. GNU Emacs 22.3.1, Org-mode version 6.29trans (release_6.29c.55.ga48f.dirty) Mark ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Why does open time still show?
Hi David, On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:56 AM, David A. Gershman wrote: Hi All, I have my agenda as: Tuesday18 August 2009 [...removed for simplicity...] reference: 19:25-19:40 Stuff reference: 19:40-20:00 Stuff 20:00.. reference: 21:00-21:45 Stuff reference: 21:45-22:00 Stuff dag:22:00-23:00 Stuff 22:00.. reference: 23:00-23:30 Stuff reference: 23:30-23:45 Stuff As you can see there is nothing from 20:00-21:00 so I have the '' marker. But why does the marker still show up for 22:00 even though I have 'Stuff' set for 22:00-23:00? Because we have so far not bothered to implement this in a better way. The only times that are removed are times where there is an item starting on that time. The reason why I did not go further with this is this: If we are going to changes this, then is should be to a interface with visually indicates the actual duration of items in the time grid. This is complex, and I do not really know how to do this without a lot of effort. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Custom agenda question
On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Manish wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:44 AM, Anthony Fairchild wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the text underneath a todo heading to show up in the agenda screen? No this is not possible. It would be real nice to be able to toggle the effect of org-agenda-add-entry-text-maxlines even in agenda view. Follow mode is not exactly the same thing because when turning it off it leaves the window behind which has to be killed with C-x 1. You can also kill the window with o, a bit easier. But since we have it already working for printing agenda and not for screen display, I am sure there are sufficient reasons behind it. But then it's Org mode -- anything is possible. :) For me, the reason is that the agenda should be compact, as much as possible. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] can't see emphasized text in org
Non-programmer-type can't see markup like /this/ as emphasized. I looked through manual and searched web but found no answer. Any thoughts? d. -- Daniel Goldin 213.926.1960 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
You're recreating what version control is for. I have my org-files setup in a Bazaar repo, and if any changes were made it auto-commits hourly via cron. I can also manually commit. Prior to committing, I can press C-x v = to see a diff of what has changes, and the Bazaar tools make it easy to step backward through the history to see changes. Version control is your backup and your protection against data loss. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 04:39:16PM +0200, Sebastian Rose wrote: Nick Bell m...@nickbell.org writes: It there any way I can confirm all deletions of significant amounts of data? I've tried wimpy-del.el http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/wimpy-del.el but, although it seems to work when called directly (e.g. M-x kill-region-wimpy) it doesn't intercept all other functions which might cause data deletion. Re-bind keys like C-w et al in org-mode-hook? Untested: (defun org/wimpy-kill-setup () Re-bind keys, that remove a significant amount of data. (define-key org-mode-map [(control ?w)] 'kill-region-wimpy) ;; ... ) (add-hook 'org-mode-hook 'org-/wimpy-kill-setup) Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] can't see emphasized text in org
Daniel Goldin wrote: Non-programmer-type can't see markup like /this/ as emphasized. I looked through manual and searched web but found no answer. Any thoughts? Are you using a font which has a separate italic form? Try switching to a font which you know does, such as Courier New. Now wait for an expert to come along. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Preventing (or mitigating) accidental deletion in org-mode
Russell Adams wrote: You're recreating what version control is for. I don't need all the functionality of version control, just a check against the last saved version to make sure I haven't inadvertently deleted too much. I've used Hg and bzr in the past and they work fine but I don't think I need them for this. Version control is your backup and your protection against data loss. It's *a* form of backup. Another might be more appropriate. Thanks for the input Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry , And Thanks .
I will say it more detailedly.
Yes , copy the link to org file and export to html , the link works( it can
link to that web page).
Please see the link in html .
The word `sea' in link is smaller than other characters of links.
That is because ` _ ' is used as math subscript ( just like: \sum_0^{100} ) .
I recommand in link like this `_' does not take effect of math subscript.
You can use
,
| #+OPTIONS: ^: nil
|
| * http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/
|
| a_b
`
to turn off the super/subscript magic in the file (or customize
org-export-with-sub-superscripts to turn it on/off globally).
If you want to mix and match in the same file, you can use
,
| #+OPTIONS: ^:{}
|
| * http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/
|
| a_{b}
`
Only the a_{b} construct will undergo sub/super magic.
See section 12.3 Export options of the Org-mode manual.
HTH,
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Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
I just want to disable this function in link address .
I think this is more suitble .
How to do it ?
Thanks
2009/8/24 Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com
waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry , And Thanks .
I will say it more detailedly.
Yes , copy the link to org file and export to html , the link works( it
can link to that web page).
Please see the link in html .
The word `sea' in link is smaller than other characters of links.
That is because ` _ ' is used as math subscript ( just like:
\sum_0^{100} ) .
I recommand in link like this `_' does not take effect of math subscript.
You can use
,
| #+OPTIONS: ^: nil
|
| * http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/
|
| a_b
`
to turn off the super/subscript magic in the file (or customize
org-export-with-sub-superscripts to turn it on/off globally).
If you want to mix and match in the same file, you can use
,
| #+OPTIONS: ^:{}
|
| * http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/
|
| a_{b}
`
Only the a_{b} construct will undergo sub/super magic.
See section 12.3 Export options of the Org-mode manual.
HTH,
Nick
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Re: [Orgmode] Format of headings spanning days in agenda day/week view
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:17, Nick Bellm...@nickbell.org wrote: At present they look like this: (1/2): John's Event 2009-09-03 Thu--2009-09-04 Fri I would rather the 2009-09-03 Thu--2009-09-04 Fri was missed off entirely as it's obvious from the agenda when the dates are. Nick In my experience, putting the timestamp range on a separate line, though still part of the entry, will do what you want. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
revise the lisp code of org mode . I think this should be fixed. 2009/8/24 Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com wrote: I just want to disable this function in link address . I think this is more suitble . How to do it ? Thanks AFAIK, it's not possible to disable sub/super magic just inside links. Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] About `_' in link address .
waterloo waterloo2...@gmail.com wrote: revise the lisp code of org mode . I think this should be fixed. I disagree, but that is not my call: Carsten is the ultimate arbiter and he might (or might not) decide to change the behavior. In the meantime, instead of demanding changes, why don't you develop a solution that you like, carry it in your tree for a while, and test it to make sure that it not only works in this case, but also does not break *anything else*? Then send a patch to the mailing list. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] can't see emphasized text in org
Doesn't help, I'm afraid. On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Nick Bell wrote: Daniel Goldin wrote: Non-programmer-type can't see markup like /this/ as emphasized. I looked through manual and searched web but found no answer. Any thoughts? Are you using a font which has a separate italic form? Try switching to a font which you know does, such as Courier New. Now wait for an expert to come along. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Daniel Goldin 213.926.1960 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Format of headings spanning days in agenda day/week view
Chris Leyon wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:17, Nick Bellm...@nickbell.org wrote: At present they look like this: (1/2): John's Event 2009-09-03 Thu--2009-09-04 Fri I would rather the 2009-09-03 Thu--2009-09-04 Fri was missed off entirely as it's obvious from the agenda when the dates are. Nick In my experience, putting the timestamp range on a separate line, though still part of the entry, will do what you want. Perfect, thanks. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] time profiling and other meta-analytic commands (was automatic clocking)
My idea, which might or might not meet the automatic clocking thread's OP's need, should be called time profiling to avoid confusion. The idea is to figure out where in the outline hierarchy you spend your time, in an approximate fashion, much like profiling code. This is done - without polluting the numerous entries with LOGBOOK drawers - without the need to clock in and out of hundreds of tasks - with exheritance (that is, times get summed up the hierarchy) It is only one example of a general class of possible commands that do meta-analysis of the way you use org. Other members of this class might include 1) rate measurement, where we display how rapidly you add tasks vs. dispose of them on average over a period of time. For example, if you add 10 tasks per day, but only mark 5 tasks per day as done, your rate is 0.5. This could even be charted. X axis is time. 2) design element utilization, where we display, numerically, how often you use each todo keyword, tag, priority, etc. If you almost never use a todo keyword, it might or might not be useful. You might discover that you are being lazy by marking everything TODO instead of using more specific todo keywords. 3) todo state transition utilization. Draw a nice graph-theoretical chart. 4) space profiling, where we do something like the du command in Unix, counting the subtrees that are large recursively. 5) linting, where we check for integrity of the outline tree, checking that all nodes have parents, aligning tags, enforcing indentation preferences, etc. -- Myalgic encephalomyelitis causes death (Jason et al. 2006) and severe suffering. Conflicts of interest are destroying research. What people know is wrong. Silence = death. http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] can't see emphasized text in org
Daniel Goldin danielgol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Nick Bell wrote: Daniel Goldin wrote: Non-programmer-type can't see markup like /this/ as emphasized. I looked through manual and searched web but found no answer. Any thoughts? Are you using a font which has a separate italic form? Try switching to a font which you know does, such as Courier New. Now wait for an expert to come along. Doesn't help, I'm afraid. I've seen this problem before and I never chased it down but when I saw Nick Bell's idea, I figured that's got to be it. It *almost* works but not quite (as Daniel found out). If you enter /italic/ in an org buffer, place your cursor in there and say M-x describe-text-properties, you get: , | Text content at position 48: | | | There are text properties here: | face (italic) | font-lock-multiline t | fontifiedt ` You can then M-x describe-face italic RET. For me, that had the :underline attribute set, and the :slant attribute unset. If you customize the face, set the :slant attribute (e.g. to italic) and unset the :underline attribute and *then* change to a font that provides an italic form, then /italic/ is indeed italicized. The problem seems to be in faces.el: , | (defface italic | 'supports :slant italic)) | :slant italic) | (((supports :underline t)) | :underline t) | (t | ;; default to italic, even it doesn't appear to be supported, | ;; because in some cases the display engine will do it's own | ;; workaround (to `dim' on ttys) | :slant italic)) | Basic italic face. | :group 'basic-faces) ` which apparently looked at my default font[1], found that it does not support italics but does support underlines and set the attributes accordingly. *Why* it falls back to underlining is probably a question that should be addressed to the emacs developers, but it looks like a bug to me (hence copied to the emacs bugs list - version info appended[2]) HTH, Nick [1] I have (set-default-font -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-120-100-100-c-90-iso8859-1) in my .emacs. I think this is what used to be called 9x15 at some point in the past, but I'm really not sure. [2] Version info: GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2009-08-09 on gamaville.dokosmarshall.org Org-mode version 6.29trans (release_6.29c.55.ga48f) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] can't see emphasized text in org
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: *Why* it falls back to underlining is probably a question that should be addressed to the emacs developers, but it looks like a bug to me (hence copied to the emacs bugs list - version info appended[2]) Wow, thanks for tracking this down! I'm not sure I would consider the fallback on underline a bug. As I understand it, the italic face is equivalent to the LaTeX emphasize -- which means that the font has to be more readable in any fashion, either by slanting the text or by underlining it. This is an incorrect use of italic but I guess fixing this would break things backward. Thanks again for the helpful information, -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Will using org-tags-exclude-from-inheritance make org run slower?
Will using org-tags-exclude-from-inheritance make org run slower? Thanks. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] can't see emphasized text in org
Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: *Why* it falls back to underlining is probably a question that should be addressed to the emacs developers, but it looks like a bug to me (hence copied to the emacs bugs list - version info appended[2]) I'm not sure I would consider the fallback on underline a bug. As I understand it, the italic face is equivalent to the LaTeX emphasize -- which means that the font has to be more readable in any fashion, either by slanting the text or by underlining it. This is an incorrect use of italic but I guess fixing this would break things backward. Yes, you may very well be right. I just thought I'd let the emacs developers know about the possible confusion and deal with it as they see fit. Maybe they'll choose to do nothing. Nick PS. BTW, I've deleted emacs-bugs from the CC list in this message, but it's still in Bastien's message. Be careful about reply-all: you might end up creating emacs bugs with every response. Also, btw, the bug report is at http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=4242 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Custom agenda question
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Manish wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:44 AM, Anthony Fairchild wrote: Hi, Is there a way to get the text underneath a todo heading to show up in the agenda screen? No this is not possible. It would be real nice to be able to toggle the effect of org-agenda-add-entry-text-maxlines even in agenda view. Follow mode is not exactly the same thing because when turning it off it leaves the window behind which has to be killed with C-x 1. You can also kill the window with o, a bit easier. Oh, yes. I had forgotten about this. Thanks. But since we have it already working for printing agenda and not for screen display, I am sure there are sufficient reasons behind it. But then it's Org mode -- anything is possible. :) For me, the reason is that the agenda should be compact, as much as possible. Once you've got your agenda organized right with todo's in order etc. then it's just a little disruptive to go anywhere else for a little extra detail to get some more context. But I agree agenda should be as compact as possible.. may be the extra lines could be a toggle switch? -- Manish ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Gnus link bug
Hi Leo, Leo sdl@gmail.com writes: I haven't used org to store links from Gnus for almost two years and today I tried it again and found at least one annoying bug. In the summary buffer, calling org-store-link will display the article buffer which is uncalled for. It also causes visual disturbance as well as asks Gnus to download the article while all the information required is already available. Should be fixed now in git, please try it. Possible solution (not real patch): In Gnus summary buffer the header of each article is already downloaded and can be obtained by (gnus-summary-article-header). To get the mid, use (mail-header-id (gnus-summary-article-header)). I followed your suggestion, but only for when we are in the summary buffer, as I found out that the output of `gnus-summary-article-header' in the article buffer is not very reliable. Could Carsten or Tassilo use that in org-gnus? Thank you. Please Gnus army test it! Thanks, -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Please test org-indent-mode
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: Hi everyone, this is only relevant for people who use the latest CVS Emacs. If you do that, please consider doing some testing of the new org-indent-mode which establishes the clean outline view without any by-hand indentation. Emacs 23.1 did still crashes occasionally with this new mode, due to a bug in the Emacs display engine. But I have, during the last week, used this new mode without problems, with the latest CVS. And I *loved* it, so I would like to have it tested more and then advertise it more. It appears to add an extra level of indentation to subheadings. When you do S-right on the second heading in the outline below. , | * This is heading one. | This is some text. | * This is heading one point one. ` It turns into this: , | * This is heading one. | This is some text. | * This is heading one point one. ` -- Manish PS: I have added two spaces at the beginning of line no. 2 and 3 to make it appear like it does in Org Ind buffer. PPS: I use oddlevels. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Percent signs in org-remember-templates
Hi all,
I'm attempting to use the remember package to insert a diary-sexp into a
file for use by the org-mode agenda. It looks like this;
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date %^{Month} %^{Day} t) -%^{Remind days}) %^{Brief
Description}%?
The double percent at the beginning is causing problems. Is there any
way to escape the percent signs?
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Re: [Orgmode] Will using org-tags-exclude-from-inheritance make org run slower?
On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Samuel Wales wrote: Will using org-tags-exclude-from-inheritance make org run slower? A bit, during agenda searches. But I'd expect this t be a minor effect. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Percent signs in org-remember-templates
On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:27 AM, Desmond Rivet wrote:
Hi all,
I'm attempting to use the remember package to insert a diary-sexp
into a
file for use by the org-mode agenda. It looks like this;
%%(diary-remind '(diary-date %^{Month} %^{Day} t) -%^{Remind days})
%^{Brief Description}%?
The double percent at the beginning is causing problems. Is there any
way to escape the percent signs?
Hi Desmond,
Please pull from git, and then escape like this:
%\%(diary-remind '(diary-date %^{Month} %^{Day} t) -%^{Remind days})
%^{Brief Description}%?
HTH
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[Orgmode] Making an org file more readable
My main gripe with org is that the appearance is too crowded. Even if the header lines have different colors the individual projects and sections I keep in the file have no visual separation between them. For example, sometimes I'd like to add empty lines after a header, so there is some visual space before the next header begins. The problem is the empty lines at the end of the content are folded too when the content is folded. I know it's more of an outline issue than an org issue, but I ask here nevertheless: did anyone find a good way to separate the headers from each other in a big org file visually, so it is more readable? ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Making an org file more readable
PT spamfilteracco...@gmail.com wrote: My main gripe with org is that the appearance is too crowded. Even if the header lines have different colors the individual projects and sections I keep in the file have no visual separation between them. For example, sometimes I'd like to add empty lines after a header, so there is some visual space before the next header begins. The problem is the empty lines at the end of the content are folded too when the content is folded. I know it's more of an outline issue than an org issue, but I ask here nevertheless: did anyone find a good way to separate the headers from each other in a big org file visually, so it is more readable? You *can* get an empty line between two headers by having two empty lines at the end of the first section: the first empty line is considered part of the section and is folded with it, but the second one remains. E.g. , | | * foo | This is a test. | ** baz | and another | | | ** hunoz | and one more | | | * bar ` When you fold it, it becomes , | | * foo... | | * bar ` HTH, Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Making an org file more readable
Nick Dokos nicholas.dokos at hp.com writes: You *can* get an empty line between two headers by having two empty lines at the end of the first section: the first empty line is considered part of the section and is folded with it, but the second one remains. E.g. For some reason, I didn't try that. :) Thanks. One annoyance less. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
