Re: [O] BUG: Clocking is broken in master

2012-07-14 Thread Bastien
Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca writes:

 I upgraded to release_7.8.11-174-g3ecd7a9
 this morning and after setting my clock I can't clock in on another task
 anymore (the clock doesn't move)

Now fixed in git, thanks for reporting this.

-- 
 Bastien



[O] New keybinding C-c C-x C-q for ̀org-clock-cancel' (was: Byte compiler warnings in org-clock.el)

2012-07-14 Thread Bastien
Hi Achim,

Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Another issue: the key binding doesn't work, since C-C C-x C-i and
 C-C C-x C-I are both mapped to org-clock-in-last via a general key
 mapping of S-TAB to TAB.  I can't seem to find where this mapping is
 defined and if it can be switched off in Org.  It seems that C-C C-x
 C-z would still be available, though.

As the subject says.

C-c C-x C-q = ̀org-clock-cancel'
C-c C-x C-x = ̀org-clock-in-last'

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] BUG! Re: Byte compiler warnings in org-clock.el

2012-07-14 Thread Bastien
Giovanni Ridolfi giovanni.rido...@yahoo.it writes:

 Done, thanks.

 Unfortunately this introduces a bug:

FWIW, the bug was not really introduced by the fix you refer to, 
but by a previous hack of mine: I tried to bind `org-clock-in-last'
to C-c C-x C-I, but then `org-clock-in-last' was bound to C-c C-x C-I
(note the upper/lowercase i).

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] fast todo kw / - x

2012-07-14 Thread Bastien
Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com writes:

 NEXTKA below is selected by x instead of /, which is surprising.

 Perhaps it's worth documenting the allowable keys?

I updated a docstring and a part of the manual to make it clearer 
only letters are supported.

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] How to integrate org-mode in a MS Windows-/Office-based environment?

2012-07-14 Thread Luis Anaya
Hi:

There have been a list of good suggestions of integrating org-mode with
MS products. I personally use org-mode primarily for task tracking
rather than document generation.  I use the following combination of
tools and techniques:

1. I get tickets assign for review on JIRA. I capture those using
jira.el . Yes, I am aware that there is a jira-org tool, but I'm used to
jira.el. I get a list of tickets, highlight any new ones and store them
in remember mode for inclusion into my task file. 

2. I do use gnus with IMAP in which I use davmail as the conduit. If you
are lucky to have exchange enabled with IMAP, then you do not need to do
this. In my workplace, that's not the case. The issue of using davmail
is that you get constrained to use emacs 22 being that version of gnus
that is shipped in emacs 23 does not play well with davmail. I have not
tried it with emacs 24. This is mostly for emails and capture any new
tasks or ideas that warrant to be stored for tracking. 

3. I do not normally store appointments in org-mode. I rather have my
phone nagging me when a meeting is coming up.  I use the weekly agenda
to track deadlines. 


Using HTML for export is a good way to transfer content as has been
suggested.  In my personal case, most of my documentation stored in org-mode
are meeting notes, I really do not have a need to transfer to Word being
that these are for my use. 


-- 
Luis Anaya
papo anaya aroba hot mail punto com
Do not use 100 words if you can say it in 10 - Yamamoto Tsunetomo



[O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word (was: How to integrate org-mode in a MS Windows-/Office-based environment?)

2012-07-14 Thread Karl Voit
* Luis Anaya papoan...@hotmail.com wrote:

 There have been a list of good suggestions of integrating org-mode with
 MS products. 

[...]

 Using HTML for export is a good way to transfer content as has been
 suggested.

I am a bit puzzled. I thought that using the ODF-exporter would be
the format of choice to get content from Org to Word. Why do you
guys prefer HTML?

-- 
Karl Voit




[O] was this intentional with the default header :results value

2012-07-14 Thread Eric Luo

Hi, 
Why in the following code block, c1 was printed as scientific notation
rather then characters.
,
| 
| #+BEGIN_SRC R :results value
|   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
| #+END_SRC
| 
| #+RESULTS:
| | 1.2345678912345678e+17 | 2 |
`
But if the header :results output, the result was expected.
,
| 
| #+BEGIN_SRC R :results output 
|   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
|   df
| #+END_SRC
| 
| #+RESULTS:
| :   c1 c2
| : 1 123456789123456789  2
`

Thanks




Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word (was: How to integrate org-mode in a MS Windows-/Office-based environment?)

2012-07-14 Thread Giovanni Ridolfi
Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at

Inviato: Sabato 14 Luglio 2012 11:56

Hi, Karl,
* Luis Anaya papoan...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Using HTML for export is a good way to transfer content as has been
 suggested.

 I thought that using the ODF-exporter would be
 the format of choice to get content from Org to Word. Why do you
 guys prefer HTML?

A reason could be (in my case) because we cannot have LibreOffice installed :-(

But you're right in remembering me that write (and perhaps word?) can read 
odf files.
I will try odf, thanks!

cheers,
Giovanni



Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word

2012-07-14 Thread Karl Voit
Hello Giovanni!

* Giovanni Ridolfi giovanni.rido...@yahoo.it wrote:
 Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at

 I thought that using the ODF-exporter would be the format of
 choice to get content from Org to Word. Why do you guys prefer
 HTML?

 A reason could be (in my case) because we cannot have LibreOffice
 installed :-(

No need to do that.

(Besides: there are portable-versions of LibreOffice[1] so that you
can install LibreOffice on any operating system having any kind of
reduced permissions. But this is not my point.)

 But you're right in remembering me that write (and perhaps
 word?) can read odf files.  I will try odf, thanks!

Yes, this was the thing I wanted to mention: Word is able to read in
ODF. And since ODF has a *way* more similar kind of markup to
docx, it should result in much better results than using HTML.

But: I never tried it by myself.

So I was wondering, if there are good arguments against using ODF in
the first place and using HTML as best choice.

  1. http://duckduckgo.com/?q=libreoffice+portable
-- 
Karl Voit




[O] mobile-org, webdav, can't push (password not accepted)

2012-07-14 Thread James Harkins
Hi, I need a little help with mobile-org and webdav. (I need to use webdav 
because I live year-round in China, and the last time I tried, dropbox was not 
accessible from the mainland. In any case, I prefer to keep the data local.)

I've set up the webdav server following the instructions here:

http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-webdav-with-apache2-on-ubuntu-10.04

This guide suggests two tests: connecting to webdav at the command line using 
cadaver, and using connect to server in Ubuntu's nautilus (Ubuntu 12.04). In 
both of those tests, I can authenticate successfully to the server.

In Emacs, I made sure the org files I want to sync are under org-directory, and 
I think I set up the rest okay according to:

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#mobileorg_webdav

Org Mobile Files: Hide Value
[X] org-agenda-files
[ ] org-agenda-text-search-extra-files
   State: STANDARD.
   Files to be staged for MobileOrg. More

Org Mobile Directory: Hide Value /scpc:hjhmbrg@127.0.0.1:org/webdav/
   State: SAVED and set.
   The WebDAV directory where the interaction with the mobile takes place.

Org Mobile Inbox For Pull: Hide Value ~/Documents/mobileorg/from-mobile.org
   State: SAVED and set.

But pushing from orgmode refuses to accept the password. I know I'm typing in 
the correct password because it works with cadaver and connect server.

I also tried the staging approach. Same problem. The org files are staged 
successfully. Then there's a pop-up window for the OpenSSH password, but again, 
if I type the exact same password I used with sudo htpasswd, it fails to 
authenticate.

Note again that it is *not* a general webdav problem -- I can authenticate by 
other methods, but whatever org is doing to log in, it isn't working.

Any ideas?

hjh


--
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jamshar...@dewdrop-world.net
http://www.dewdrop-world.net

Come said the Muse,
Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,
Sing me the universal.  -- Whitman

blog: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words
audio clips: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/audio
more audio: http://soundcloud.com/dewdrop_world/tracks



Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word

2012-07-14 Thread Jambunathan K

If one does ORG-HTML-DOC instead of ORG-ODT-DOC, following areas
could be problemsome.
- Footnotes
- Inlined images - do they end up right within the document or outside
  of it.

See:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.5#ODF_1.2_Conforming_Documents
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44498

, 
| Microsoft Office 2010 will complain that ODF 1.2 and extended documents
| written by LibreOffice 3.5 are invalid (but opens them still). This is a
| shortcoming in MSO2010 only supporting ODF 1.1, please see here for
| further details.
|
| ODF 1.2 Conforming Documents
| 
| LibreOffice 3.5 writes valid ODF 1.2
| 
| Microsoft Office only officially supports ODF 1.1 and complains that
| ODF 1.2 and ODF 1.2 extended documents written by LibreOffice 3.5
| are invalid.
| 
| The warning from Microsoft Office can be safely ignored, and the
| Repair option will import the document.
| 
| For users that find this annoying, a workaround is to open
| Tools-Options-Load/Save-General and set ODF format version to
| 1.0/1.1. However, please note that this will cause some
| information to be lost when storing documents.
`

Instead of importing ODT documents right inside Microsoft Office, one
can have LibreOffice do the ODT-DOC(X) conversion and import the LO
created DOC(X) file in to Microsoft Office.

For creating DOC/DOCX/PDF files right from Org see Info node with
following title: (org) Extending ODT export.

ps: I have not used MS Word at all.
-- 



Re: [O] BUG: Clocking is broken in master

2012-07-14 Thread Bernt Hansen
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca writes:

 I upgraded to release_7.8.11-174-g3ecd7a9
 this morning and after setting my clock I can't clock in on another task
 anymore (the clock doesn't move)

 Now fixed in git, thanks for reporting this.

Thanks for the quick fix Bastien :)

Regards,
Bernt



Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word

2012-07-14 Thread Jambunathan K

For people taking ORG-ODT-Microsoft Office they might want to give
particular attention to the formatting of

- Lists 
- Tables 

in the imported document.

My best guess is import will be troublefree for the most part.  Only
issues could be around the import of customized tables. i.e., tables
created with Info node: (org) Customizing tables in ODT export.
-- 



Re: [O] new exporter

2012-07-14 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello,

Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Yes, that has been my impression as well.  Again, I can make them go
 away by removing one of the byte-compiled files, so I rather suspect
 another case of a macro expansion that's not quite what was intented.
 Only this time I really don't see from the backtrace what that would
 be.

It looks like table-cells have a wrong `:parent' property when
org-element.el is byte-compiled.  In `org-element-table-cell-parser',
replacing backquote with `list' solves the problem.

This is related to modifications by side-effect of list elements, but
I don't know why it only happens when the file is byte-compiled and why
it only focus table cells.

 Thanks.  I meanwhile had figured that the limit parameter was missing,
 but not if it should always be (point-max).  However since you did make
 that mistake yourself, maybe you could reconsider the function signature
 and perhaps making limit optional and replacing it with (point-max) if
 not present (reads as nil)?  It seems that it would unclutter the code
 for the typical use...

`org-element-current-element' is an internal function and (point-max) is
an unusual value, albeit sufficient for testing purpose.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou



Re: [O] MobileOrg on an Android tablet?

2012-07-14 Thread James Harkins
 From: Luis Anaya

  Is anyone using MobileOrg for android on a tablet?

 I am...  Vizio table running Honeycomb.

Cool... I'm almost running it. Just got an Asus transformer tab. I posted a
question separately about push problems :-( so I'm not there yet.

 It is the android version a phone app.

 In the case of mobileorg on Honeycomb, you get more area for text if
 you choose to. It works ok. Keep in mind that you're organizing your
 life in plain text :)

Of course :-)  I had read an article in pc mag about how awfully android
tablet apps use screen space, which got me thinking. Now that I have one,
it's not such a big deal as that guy was whining about.

Looking forward to getting it all configured!

James


Re: [O] new exporter

2012-07-14 Thread Achim Gratz
Nicolas Goaziou writes:
 It looks like table-cells have a wrong `:parent' property when
 org-element.el is byte-compiled.  In `org-element-table-cell-parser',
 replacing backquote with `list' solves the problem.

 This is related to modifications by side-effect of list elements, but
 I don't know why it only happens when the file is byte-compiled and why
 it only focus table cells.

I'll try to grok this later... at least now I know where to look.

 `org-element-current-element' is an internal function and (point-max) is
 an unusual value, albeit sufficient for testing purpose.

OK.  Minor nit: if strictly an internal function (even if useful for
testing) you might consider naming it org-element--current-element to
make it more self-documenting.


Regards,
Achim.
-- 
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Re: [O] was this intentional with the default header :results value

2012-07-14 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Aloha Eric,

Eric Luo eric.we...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi, 
 Why in the following code block, c1 was printed as scientific notation
 rather then characters.
 ,
 | 
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R :results value
 |   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | | 1.2345678912345678e+17 | 2 |
 `

With :results value the results are passed from the source language into
emacs-lisp and then displayed in the buffer.  So, the representation of
things like very large numbers depends on how that was done in
emacs-lisp, independent of the source language conventions.  In this
case, I suspect the number was written with a formatting string and ‘%g’
which uses scientific notation if that is a shorter representation.


 But if the header :results output, the result was expected.
 ,
 | 
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R :results output 
 |   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
 |   df
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | :   c1 c2
 | : 1 123456789123456789  2
 `


With :results output the results aren't translated into emacs-lisp.
Instead, the output from the source language is collected and displayed
in the buffer.  Thus, the output conventions of the source language are
respected. 

hth,
Tom

-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com



Re: [O] new exporter

2012-07-14 Thread Jambunathan K
Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes:

 Hello,

 Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Yes, that has been my impression as well.  Again, I can make them go
 away by removing one of the byte-compiled files, so I rather suspect
 another case of a macro expansion that's not quite what was intented.
 Only this time I really don't see from the backtrace what that would
 be.

 It looks like table-cells have a wrong `:parent' property when
 org-element.el is byte-compiled.  In `org-element-table-cell-parser',
 replacing backquote with `list' solves the problem.


 This is related to modifications by side-effect of list elements, but
 I don't know why it only happens when the file is byte-compiled and why
 it only focus table cells.

There is an interesting  pitfall mentioned wrt `nconc' under:
   (info (elisp) Rearrangement).

I try to make sense of the pitfall by conjuring up this argument.  This
seems right to me.
- `list' will dynamically allocate the list at runtime.  It comes from
  C's heap.

- A quote list is allocated at compile time (atleast the constant
  bits). It comes from memory that is allocated for global variables -
  externs or static externs.  Think value of list is the pointer to an
  extern C variable.

I am not sure what backquote does.

Wrt above problem, you may want to verify the following:
1. It works right the first time.  But subsequent invocations create
   side-effect.
2. Focus on what happens to the `head' of the list.

I am more or less facing similar problems wrt element translation.  I am
holding off any checkin mainly because I see some undesirable
side-effects.
-- 



Re: [O] fast todo kw / - x

2012-07-14 Thread Samuel Wales
On 7/14/12, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:
 I updated a docstring and a part of the manual to make it
 clearer only letters are supported.

Thanks, Bastien.  :) I appreciate the clarity in the manual.

Just so you know my use case:

I have 49 todo keywords and will have a few more soon, so I
will keep using . ? - = + ( ) ' ; .

Non-alpha are useful mnemonically for me.  For example, ? is
for QUESTION.

I specify my keywords using a struct:

  (make-alpha-kw :key . :kw NEXTREPEAT :group :contingent
 :face '(:inherit org-todo
 :weight normal))

If I want modifiers, I add :mod.

This gets mapped into the org-todo-keywords string.

The advantage for me is that it keeps the keys and the
modifier semantics separate.  Also, it allows me to keep all
keyword-related information, currently including faces and
todo groups, together.

The drawback for me is that org-todo-keywords combines the separate
items into strings (so modifier symbols can't be used).  :/ Allowing more
symbols would be useful for me.

If anybody wants the struct definition and mapper, I will
extract and post them.

Samuel

-- 
The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com



Re: [O] New keybinding C-c C-x C-q for ̀org-clock-cancel' (was: Byte compiler warnings in org-clock.el)

2012-07-14 Thread Samuel Wales
On 7/13/12, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:
 C-c C-x C-q = ̀org-clock-cancel'

My gmail shows an accent there :).

-- 
The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com



Re: [O] new exporter

2012-07-14 Thread Jambunathan K
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes:

 Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes:

 Hello,

 Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Yes, that has been my impression as well.  Again, I can make them go
 away by removing one of the byte-compiled files, so I rather suspect
 another case of a macro expansion that's not quite what was intented.
 Only this time I really don't see from the backtrace what that would
 be.

 It looks like table-cells have a wrong `:parent' property when
 org-element.el is byte-compiled.  In `org-element-table-cell-parser',
 replacing backquote with `list' solves the problem.


 This is related to modifications by side-effect of list elements, but
 I don't know why it only happens when the file is byte-compiled and why
 it only focus table cells.

 There is an interesting  pitfall mentioned wrt `nconc' under:
(info (elisp) Rearrangement).

 I try to make sense of the pitfall by conjuring up this argument.  This
 seems right to me.
 - `list' will dynamically allocate the list at runtime.  It comes from
   C's heap.

 - A quote list is allocated at compile time (atleast the constant
   bits). It comes from memory that is allocated for global variables -
   externs or static externs.  Think value of list is the pointer to an
   extern C variable.

 I am not sure what backquote does.

 Wrt above problem, you may want to verify the following:
 1. It works right the first time.  But subsequent invocations create
side-effect.
 2. Focus on what happens to the `head' of the list.

Do table-cell gets composed in a special way wrt other elements.

 I am more or less facing similar problems wrt element translation.  I am
 holding off any checkin mainly because I see some undesirable
 side-effects.

I dont't have handle on it yet.  May be it is just a coincidence that
the translation involves lists and tables.

ps: If only there way to see the C pointers underlying the objects one
could actually sensibly see what is happening underneath.

The closest I have come to doing so is to use a combination of
`pp-display-expression' with (setq print-circle t).  This latter part
was added to my .emacs only in the last 2 days in an effort to bring out
the differnce between `eq' and `equal'.

For example a table like this

| 1 | 2 |
| a | b |

gets rendered as below.  Track the :parent properties, the Ns and #es
and you have no ambiguity on what objects they point to.

#1=(org-data nil #2=(section
 (:begin 2 :end 22 :contents-begin 2 :contents-end 22 
:post-blank 0 :parent #1#)
 #3=(table
 (:begin 2 :end 22 :type org :tblfm nil :contents-begin 
2 :contents-end 22 :value nil :post-blank 0 :parent #2#)
 #4=(table-row
 (:type standard :begin 2 :end 12 :contents-begin 3 
:contents-end 11 :post-blank 0 :parent #3#)
 (table-cell
  (:begin 3 :end 7 :contents-begin 4 :contents-end 
5 :post-blank 0 :parent #4#)
  1)
 (table-cell
  (:begin 7 :end 11 :contents-begin 8 :contents-end 
9 :post-blank 0 :parent #4#)
  2))
 #5=(table-row
 (:type standard :begin 12 :end 22 :contents-begin 
13 :contents-end 21 :post-blank 0 :parent #3#)
 (table-cell
  (:begin 13 :end 17 :contents-begin 14 
:contents-end 15 :post-blank 0 :parent #5#)
  a)
 (table-cell
  (:begin 17 :end 21 :contents-begin 18 
:contents-end 19 :post-blank 0 :parent #5#)
  b)





Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word

2012-07-14 Thread Karl Voit
* Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com wrote:

 Instead of importing ODT documents right inside Microsoft Office, one
 can have LibreOffice do the ODT-DOC(X) conversion and import the LO
 created DOC(X) file in to Microsoft Office.

As a side-mark to your great comments: LibreOffice (and
OpenOffice.org) is able to convert documents from command line without
having the need for opening them, invoking a save-as-process,
choosing a different format, and closing it.

If somebody needs to do (semi-automatically) conversions, take a
look into the command line option --convert-to.

 For creating DOC/DOCX/PDF files right from Org see Info node with
 following title: (org) Extending ODT export.

Cool :-)

 ps: I have not used MS Word at all.

Never? Really? Wow ... Lucky you!

I once met a guy who was working in the IT industry since the
seventies and he never ever used MS Windows in his life. Impressive.
(His source code was completely crap but this is another story *g*)

-- 
Karl Voit




Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word

2012-07-14 Thread Jambunathan K
Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes:

 * Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com wrote:

 Instead of importing ODT documents right inside Microsoft Office, one
 can have LibreOffice do the ODT-DOC(X) conversion and import the LO
 created DOC(X) file in to Microsoft Office.

 As a side-mark to your great comments: LibreOffice (and
 OpenOffice.org) is able to convert documents from command line without
 having the need for opening them, invoking a save-as-process,
 choosing a different format, and closing it.

 If somebody needs to do (semi-automatically) conversions, take a
 look into the command line option --convert-to.

M-x pp-eval-expresssion RET org-export-odt-convert-processes RET

will you give you this.  Note the first entry.

, C-h v org-export-odt-convert-processes
|   ((LibreOffice soffice --headless --convert-to %f%x --outdir %d %i)
|(unoconv unoconv -f %f -o %d %i))
`
-- 



[O] Google Summer of Code update

2012-07-14 Thread Bastien
Dear all,

this week, GSoC co-mentors and students spent time testing and
evaluating our GSoC projects.

Of the 3 ongoing projects, one will stop and the two others will
continue.

The bugpile project will stop: Thorsten produced lots of exploratory
writing for the design of a web framework based on elnode and Org, and
he wrote code for this.  But Eric and I feel like the project is not
going in the right direction.  So instead of spending too much time on
trying to agree about a new direction, we decided to stop the project.

This is a hard decision to take, but I think this is for the best.

I should thank again Thorsten here, as he's the one who convinced me to
go for the GSoC this year.  His code and docs remain available, and I'm
sure there are lots of ideas that will survive this experience.

  ~$ git clone git://orgmode.org/bugpile.git
  http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/gsoc2012/student-projects/bugpile/

Thanks also goes to Eric for his time mentoring Thorsten.

And thanks goes of course to Google! Being paid to write free software
is a priviledge -- even more when failing is just part of the game.

Aurélien's and Andrew's projects get boosted by the mid-term deadline,
check their repos:

  ~$ git clone git://orgmode.org/org-sync.git   [Aurélien]
  ~$ git clone git://orgmode.org/org-merge-driver.git   [Andrew]

*Please* read/test/review their code as much as possible: send feedback,
however premature you think it can be -- because *it is not*.

I just read this blog entry - How to recruit open-source contributors:

http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/2012/07/10/how-to-recruit-open-source-contributors/

This resonates very well with what I think and what I hope we will gain
from participating to the GSoC: new contributors.  So, please all take a
dive into the students' code, because that's how they will interact with
the list.  And students: please pick up questions on this list, pending
issues, known bugs -- and have a go, try fix things, report more stuff.
Do this in your free time :-) It will help you feel more comfortable
sharing your Org (coding) experience with fellows here.

Thanks for your support!

-- 
 Bastien




Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word

2012-07-14 Thread Luis Anaya
emacs-orgmode-requ...@gnu.org writes:

 I am a bit puzzled. I thought that using the ODF-exporter would be
 the format of choice to get content from Org to Word. Why do you
 guys prefer HTML?

The following is my opinion why I prefer using HTML to ODF for transfer
to Word, but  there is no reason for not using ODF for transfer files.  
It is more a matter of personal taste than anything else. 

1. Mature support for HTML import on Word. ODF import was included in Office
2007 as an option. But HTML support has been available since Office
2000. (probably since Office '98, but it's been a while since I used
that one).  If you do not have the ODF facility installed in Word or 
if you're stuck with an older version of Office  then you have to 
convert to Word using Libre/Open Office.  That's an extra step and 
more conversion errors to add to the final result.  

2. Less nuances to worry about. HTML is clean and a plain ASCII format
at the expense of size.  I am not familiar with ODF's internal
structure, but I've worked on the generation of MS Open Office XML
documents at work.  Even though it's an XML format, there are sometimes 
difference in the positioning of elemements when documents are created
in Word vs  when they are created through a program using the MSOOXML
libraries. 

One issue I had during testing was the inclusion of images in
which they get installed on a different nodes if the document is created
through the .NET API. These causes images not to show up in
LibreOffice or AbiWord to crash. However they render fine in Word. 


My 2 cents...
-- 
Luis Anaya
papo anaya aroba hot mail punto com
Do not use 100 words if you can say it in 10 - Yamamoto Tsunetomo



[O] org-caldav: Sync Org with external calendars through CalDAV (Owncloud, Google, ...)

2012-07-14 Thread David Engster
I have written a package 'org-caldav' which can sync items to a remote
calendar server using the CalDAV protocol. The main purpose of this
package is to make better use of Org in combination with Android-based
mobile devices (yes, there is mobileOrg, but I have several problems
with it; that's a topic for another day, though).

I think org-caldav is now good enough to allow some testing by
adventurous people. I put the code up on github here

https://github.com/dengste/org-caldav

I've tested the code with my Owncloud server and also with Google
Calendar. Please see the Readme on how to set things up. Most
importantly, please use a new, dedicated calendar for testing this
package; do *not* use your precious main calendar. Also, while
org-caldav should only access the calendar you provide through
`org-caldav-calendar-id', you should have a backup of all your calendar
data, just in case.

The initial sync can take some time, depending on the number of
events. Especially the CalDAV interface to Google can be quite slow at
times. If the initial sync aborts for any reason, just run
`org-caldav-sync' again. Note that after the initial sync, only new
events will be transferred, so things should become much snappier.

A few further notes regarding the code:

I am relying mainly on three other packages to do the real heavy
lifting, which is also why org-caldav is actually pretty small:

- url-dav.el for talking to WebDAV servers (CalDAV is essentially WebDAV
  with a few extensions). Unfortunately, the current version of url-dav
  that is shipping with Emacs is broken for practically all CalDAV
  servers (see bug #11916), which is why I provide a patched version of
  url-dav.el in the above repository. You have to make sure that this
  patched version is loaded instead of the one in Emacs proper. I am
  hoping that this will be fixed in Emacs 24.2.

- org-icalendar.el is doing all the conversion from org to icalendar
  events which are needed for CalDAV. This has the advantage that you
  can use all the variables from that package to control how things
  should be exported. The only exception is the actual org files being
  searched for time stamps, which is determined through
  `org-caldav-files'.

- icalendar.el for parsing events from CalDAV. I took some code from
  that package to generate org items from the calendar events.

The syncing between org and the external calendar is not yet really
finished. I would like to have proper two-way-syncing so that you can
freely change events on any side, but this is rather difficult to do and
I'd first like to get some feedback on the current code. Also, I have
a hunch that some Org experts around here might have some good ideas on
how to properly implement this.

Here's what the code can currently do:

- All items in `org-caldav-files' with active time stamps are synced to
  the calendar.

- If you change an item in one of those files in orgmode, this change
  will also get synced to the external calendar (to be exact: this will
  generate a new event and the old one will be deleted).

- If you create a *new* event in the calendar through Android or any
  other client (like browser), this event will land in the
  `org-caldav-inbox' file as an org item.

However:

- If you *change* an item directly on the CalDAV server, this will *not*
  get synced back to Org. What happens exactly depends on the server
  (whether it renames the event or not). Just try it out. The item might
  even get deleted after the next sync - you have been warned.

- Likewise, if you *change* and item in `org-caldav-inbox', this will
  not get synced back to the calendar.

OK, this has gotten way too long already. Please try it out and let me
know how it goes.

Cheers,
David



Re: [O] mobile-org, webdav, can't push (password not accepted)

2012-07-14 Thread James Harkins
At Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:05:16 -0400,
James Harkins wrote:
 
 Hi, I need a little help with mobile-org and webdav. (I need to use webdav 
 because I live year-round in China, and the last time I tried, dropbox was 
 not accessible from the mainland. In any case, I prefer to keep the data 
 local.)

OK... For testing purposes, I decided to start off with dropbox. I can switch 
to webdav later (but my return to China is in about 3.5 weeks, so the clock is 
ticking -- the original question in this thread still needs to be solved).

I was able to push to dropbox, and sync on my tablet.

Some issues --

- I can't find an option within MobileOrg on the tablet to look at an 
agenda-style view. Does it exist? (This is for android.)

- So I thought, okay, how about synchronizing to the tablet's calendar? 
Unfortunately, it seems that MobileOrg ignores timestamps in item headlines. 
The item has to have either a scheduled time or a deadline. So I guess I will 
need to enter redundant dates -- once in the headline for C-c a, and again 
using C-c C-s. Is that correct, or a bug?

So... interesting... a bit less than I hoped. But orgmode itself is so much 
better than anything else I've used, it's worth trying to make it work.

Thanks,
James


--
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jamshar...@dewdrop-world.net
http://www.dewdrop-world.net

Come said the Muse,
Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,
Sing me the universal.  -- Whitman

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Re: [O] mobile-org, webdav, can't push (password not accepted)

2012-07-14 Thread James Harkins
At Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:47:33 -0400,
James Harkins wrote:
 - So I thought, okay, how about synchronizing to the tablet's calendar? 
 Unfortunately, it seems that MobileOrg ignores timestamps in item headlines. 
 The item has to have either a scheduled time or a deadline. So I guess I will 
 need to enter redundant dates -- once in the headline for C-c a, and again 
 using C-c C-s. Is that correct, or a bug?

Oops, sent too soon... Redundant dates are presented redundantly in emacs' 
agenda view! So I'll have to switch my habit from C-c . to C-c C-s.

That's not so bad... never mind :)
hjh


--
James Harkins /// dewdrop world
jamshar...@dewdrop-world.net
http://www.dewdrop-world.net

Come said the Muse,
Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,
Sing me the universal.  -- Whitman

blog: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words
audio clips: http://www.dewdrop-world.net/audio
more audio: http://soundcloud.com/dewdrop_world/tracks



[O] preserve trailing zeros in table output from shell script

2012-07-14 Thread Joseph A. Cua
I have a reporting shell script that generates a tab-delimited table.
Using it within a shell code block, org parses this nicely into an org
table. But org seems to drop any trailing zeros from numeric cells. My
reporting script has already done the number formatting, so I want
trailing zeros preserved (both within org and in html export). What's
the best way?

Thanks,
Joe



Re: [O] was this intentional with the default header :results value

2012-07-14 Thread Eric Luo
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:

Thanks, it's clear to me with the difference between value and
output now.

whether there is a way to tell emacs-lisp that 123456789123456789 is a
string rather than a number.

emacs-lisp handles the output as expected if the c1 has any character
other than numbers as the following.
,
| #+BEGIN_SRC R
|   df - data.frame(c1=c123456789123456789,c2=2)
|   df$c1 - as.vector(df$c1)
|   df
| #+END_SRC
| 
| #+RESULTS:
| | c123456789123456789 | 2 |
| 
`

 Aloha Eric,

 Eric Luo eric.we...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi, 
 Why in the following code block, c1 was printed as scientific notation
 rather then characters.
 ,
 | 
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R :results value
 |   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | | 1.2345678912345678e+17 | 2 |
 `

 With :results value the results are passed from the source language into
 emacs-lisp and then displayed in the buffer.  So, the representation of
 things like very large numbers depends on how that was done in
 emacs-lisp, independent of the source language conventions.  In this
 case, I suspect the number was written with a formatting string and ‘%g’
 which uses scientific notation if that is a shorter representation.


 But if the header :results output, the result was expected.
 ,
 | 
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R :results output 
 |   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
 |   df
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | :   c1 c2
 | : 1 123456789123456789  2
 `


 With :results output the results aren't translated into emacs-lisp.
 Instead, the output from the source language is collected and displayed
 in the buffer.  Thus, the output conventions of the source language are
 respected. 

 hth,




Re: [O] was this intentional with the default header :results value

2012-07-14 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Hi Eric,

I don't know any way to do this in Org-mode.  Here is a workaround in R
that might do what you want.

#+name: luo
#+BEGIN_SRC R :results output org
  library(ascii)
  df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789000,c2=2)
  df$c1 - as.vector(df$c1)
  print(ascii(df),type=org)
#+END_SRC

#+RESULTS: luo
#+BEGIN_ORG
|   | c1| c2   |
|---+---+--|
| 1 | 123456789123456789000 | 2.00 |
#+END_ORG

All the best,
Tom

Eric Luo eric.we...@gmail.com writes:

 t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:

 Thanks, it's clear to me with the difference between value and
 output now.

 whether there is a way to tell emacs-lisp that 123456789123456789 is a
 string rather than a number.

 emacs-lisp handles the output as expected if the c1 has any character
 other than numbers as the following.
 ,
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R
 |   df - data.frame(c1=c123456789123456789,c2=2)
 |   df$c1 - as.vector(df$c1)
 |   df
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | | c123456789123456789 | 2 |
 | 
 `

 Aloha Eric,

 Eric Luo eric.we...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi, 
 Why in the following code block, c1 was printed as scientific notation
 rather then characters.
 ,
 | 
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R :results value
 |   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | | 1.2345678912345678e+17 | 2 |
 `

 With :results value the results are passed from the source language into
 emacs-lisp and then displayed in the buffer.  So, the representation of
 things like very large numbers depends on how that was done in
 emacs-lisp, independent of the source language conventions.  In this
 case, I suspect the number was written with a formatting string and ‘%g’
 which uses scientific notation if that is a shorter representation.


 But if the header :results output, the result was expected.
 ,
 | 
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R :results output 
 |   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
 |   df
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | :   c1 c2
 | : 1 123456789123456789  2
 `


 With :results output the results aren't translated into emacs-lisp.
 Instead, the output from the source language is collected and displayed
 in the buffer.  Thus, the output conventions of the source language are
 respected. 

 hth,




-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com



Re: [O] was this intentional with the default header :results value

2012-07-14 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Or, fiddling a bit more.

#+name: luo
#+BEGIN_SRC R :results output raw
  library(ascii)
  df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789000,c2=2)
  df$c1 - as.vector(df$c1)
  print(ascii(df,digits=c(0,0),include.rownames=F),type=org)
#+END_SRC

#+RESULTS: luo
|c1 | c2 |
|---+|
| 123456789123456789000 |  2 |


t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:

 Hi Eric,

 I don't know any way to do this in Org-mode.  Here is a workaround in R
 that might do what you want.

 #+name: luo
 #+BEGIN_SRC R :results output org
   library(ascii)
   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789000,c2=2)
   df$c1 - as.vector(df$c1)
   print(ascii(df),type=org)
 #+END_SRC

 #+RESULTS: luo
 #+BEGIN_ORG
 |   | c1| c2   |
 |---+---+--|
 | 1 | 123456789123456789000 | 2.00 |
 #+END_ORG

 All the best,
 Tom

 Eric Luo eric.we...@gmail.com writes:

 t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:

 Thanks, it's clear to me with the difference between value and
 output now.

 whether there is a way to tell emacs-lisp that 123456789123456789 is a
 string rather than a number.

 emacs-lisp handles the output as expected if the c1 has any character
 other than numbers as the following.
 ,
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R
 |   df - data.frame(c1=c123456789123456789,c2=2)
 |   df$c1 - as.vector(df$c1)
 |   df
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | | c123456789123456789 | 2 |
 | 
 `

 Aloha Eric,

 Eric Luo eric.we...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi, 
 Why in the following code block, c1 was printed as scientific notation
 rather then characters.
 ,
 | 
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R :results value
 |   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | | 1.2345678912345678e+17 | 2 |
 `

 With :results value the results are passed from the source language into
 emacs-lisp and then displayed in the buffer.  So, the representation of
 things like very large numbers depends on how that was done in
 emacs-lisp, independent of the source language conventions.  In this
 case, I suspect the number was written with a formatting string and ‘%g’
 which uses scientific notation if that is a shorter representation.


 But if the header :results output, the result was expected.
 ,
 | 
 | #+BEGIN_SRC R :results output 
 |   df - data.frame(c1=123456789123456789,c2=2)
 |   df
 | #+END_SRC
 | 
 | #+RESULTS:
 | :   c1 c2
 | : 1 123456789123456789  2
 `


 With :results output the results aren't translated into emacs-lisp.
 Instead, the output from the source language is collected and displayed
 in the buffer.  Thus, the output conventions of the source language are
 respected. 

 hth,




-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com