Re: [O] [WORG] How to ediff folded Org files?
Michael Brand michael.ch.br...@gmail.com writes: But instead of the above I use this for ediff generally, it persists in Org mode: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (add-hook 'ediff-prepare-buffer-hook 'f-ediff-prepare-buffer-hook-setup) (defun f-ediff-prepare-buffer-hook-setup () ;; specific modes (cond ((eq major-mode 'org-mode) (f-org-vis-mod-maximum)) ;; room for more modes ) ;; all modes (setq truncate-lines nil)) (defun f-org-vis-mod-maximum () Visibility: Show the most possible. (cond ((eq major-mode 'org-mode) (visible-mode 1) ; default 0 (setq truncate-lines nil) ; no `org-startup-truncated' in hook (setq org-hide-leading-stars t)) ; default nil (t (message ERR: not in Org mode) (ding #+END_SRC I condensed this to the following since I don't use truncate-lines and org-hide-leading-stars ;; ediff for org-mode files (add-hook 'ediff-prepare-buffer-hook (lambda () (cond ((eq major-mode 'org-mode) (visible-mode 1) But now the problem now is that the visible-mode persists even when I quit ediff. I tried to find a hook which lets me undo the visible-mode but I couldn't find an obvious one. There is ediff-quit-hook but this is done in the ediff-control-buffer. Maybe after all it might be better to use ediff-select-hook and ediff-unselect-hook. Thanks Christian -- Christian Egli Swiss Library for the Blind, Visually Impaired and Print Disabled Grubenstrasse 12, CH-8045 Zürich, Switzerland
Re: [O] phone links...
Robert, On Mo, Apr 08, 2013 at 09:44:12 -0500, Robert Goldman wrote: Michael Strey wrote: Currently org-phone.el as well as my org-dial.el are incompatible with org-contacts. The only idea behind my proposal was to make the contributors of both packages aware of each other. Can you explain what makes org-phone incompatible with org-contacts? Maybe my naming of some function? The problem is on the side of org-contacts. Org-contacts does not support links in its properties. Thus, currently the only solution to use the advantages of org-contacts and org-phone is to give the information twice, like in the following example. #+BEGIN_SRC org * Strey, Michael :PROPERTIES: :EMAIL:mst...@strey.biz f...@bar.com :PHONE:+493514129535 +491263213 :END: [[mailto:mst...@strey.biz]] [[mailto:f...@bar.com]] [[phone:+49 (0)351 41295-35]] [[phone:+49 126 3213]] #+END_SRC This shortcoming effects not only the phone links but email links as well. Regards -- Michael Strey www.strey.biz
Re: [O] [BUG] org-clock-in menu scrolls off the top of the window
Hi Bernt Hansen, Bernt Hansen wrote: Sebastien Vauban writes: Bernt Hansen wrote: Another change I've noticed in master is the display of the clocking task menu when doing C-u M-x org-clock-in I've reduced my clocking menu items a bit due to screen size changes and not being able to see the items that scroll off the top of the screen (normally the most recent items are the ones I'm looking for but on small screens the menu scrolls up and I can't see the recent items). My current setting is (setq org-clock-history-length 23) My menu for clock-in tasks currently runs 1-9,A-N and starts with the Current Clocking Task on line 1. I have a widescreen monitor in windows and the bottom half of the menu is blank when the screen splits horizontally to display the clock in menu -- it seems to be centered near the last item in the list but this scrolls the default and interrupted clocking task entries off the top of the screen. There is no way to scroll this menu that I am aware of. The buffer *Clock Task Select* has , | Default Task | [d] OrganizeOrganization | The task interrupted by starting the last one | [i] OrganizeOrganization | Current Clocking Task | [c] SomeProject TODO SomeTask | Recent Tasks | [1] SomeProject TODO SomeTask | [2] OrganizeOrganization | [3] refile TODO foo | ... | [N] refile SomeOtherRefileTask ` but it scrolls with C-u M-x org-clock-in so it looks like this , | Current Clocking Task | [c] SomeProject TODO SomeTask | Recent Tasks | [1] SomeProject TODO SomeTask | [2] OrganizeOrganization | [3] refile TODO foo | ... | [N] refile SomeOtherRefileTask | ... lots of blank lines ` As your data is not that true, I can't tell from what you show, but another thing that I've seen (in my config) is that many tasks are duplicated, hence the list is much longer that needed. Do you see that as well in your case? For example, it seems to me that (in the second screen) item 1 is redundant with item c. In the first screen, items d, i and 2 seem redundant, while items c and 1 seem also redundant. The data has been modified but the duplication isn't new. The only tasks I renamed were 'SomeTask' and 'SomeOtherRefileTask'. I used capture to create foo as a temporary task (which I subsequently deleted). The actual task list came from projects at my work. Duplicated tasks in my displayed menu are really duplicated and as far as I know that behaviour hasn't changed. If there is a default, and current task (all the same) then [d], [c], and [1] will all be identical. The default task is only displayed when a default clocking task is identified (which is always for me). [c] may not be that useful to display since we can just quit and leave the clock alone. Personally I like the duplication in the history list (it's a true view of what was clocked in recently) Personally, I would find it clearer to see every task at most once, be it as default, interrupted or in the list. So, the interrupted task wouldn't be duplicated in the list. But I can understand that this is a question of taste. Something which is not a question of taste, IMHO, is that items are sometimes duplicated within the 1..N list: I have, for example, --8---cut here---start-8--- Recent Tasks [1] Read emails [2] Organize work [3] Organize work [4] Prepare meeting --8---cut here---end---8--- Items 2 and 3 are the same one -- I don't have Organize work duplicated within my agenda files. I don't understand why it's duped in there. Ever observed this as well? The main thing I'm reporting is all the whitespace now at the bottom of the screen since the list is artificially scrolled up. I used to be able to determine exactly what fit in the list so I set my history length appropriately. I know that item duplication is a side-question, but it does consume real screen estate... Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] [NEW] navi-mode for org files
Charles Berry ccbe...@ucsd.edu writes: (6. Want more? - check the 'navi-menu' for more commands - type 'h' to see the (customizable) user-defined keyword-searches and their keybindings 'h' in the *Navi:myfile.org* buffer returns an error. underline-line-with is not found. I could not find it by rgrep'ing or Googling. Commenting it out of navi-show-help results in display of the keybindings. Yes, thanks a lot for the observation. I installed the `basic-edit-toolkit.el' (http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/basic-edit-toolkit.el) long ago and forget about it. ,--- | underline-line-with is an interactive Lisp function in | `basic-edit-toolkit.el'. | | (underline-line-with CHAR) `--- I added 'navi-underline-line-with' to navi-mode.el and pushed the new version to github, let me if there are still problems. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] Emacs org-mode mailing list filter by category / tag?
Hi Bastien, thanks for the info. This is indeed a good proposal. I will switch to the newsgroup for reading. Thanks a lot and best regards, Matt Am 08.04.2013 21:21, schrieb Bastien: Hi Matt, Buddy Butterfly buddy.butter...@web.de writes: obviously this is a very active forum. But due to the activity I am getting too much emails. I would like to filter by tag/category when registering. I think this is definitely needed to reduce the amount of mails before (!) it arrives. We already encourage some soft labelling but we cannot enforce anything here. Is this possible right now? If so, how? If not, could this list be enhanced to provide it? I don't think the list can be enhanced. One solution for people who don't want to receive tons of emails is to follow the list through gmane.org: you just need a news reader (Gnus comes to mind) and to subscribe to the gmane.emacs.orgmode newsgroup. HTH,
Re: [O] [NEW] navi-mode for org files
Charles Berry ccbe...@ucsd.edu writes:
Thorsten Jolitz tjolitz at gmail.com writes:
Charles Berry ccberry at ucsd.edu writes:
`
I cannot seem to get this to work. If I try to execute
;; # #+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; # (require 'outshine)
;; # (add-hook ‘outline-minor-mode-hook ‘outshine-hook-function)
;; # #+end_src
the add-hook returns
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable ‘outline-minor-mode-hook)
SOLVED!
The clue was:
,
| (add-hook HOOK FUNCTION optional APPEND LOCAL)
|
| Add to the value of HOOK the function FUNCTION.
|
|[...]
|
| HOOK should be a symbol, and FUNCTION may be any valid function. If
| HOOK is void, it is first set to nil. If HOOK's value is a single
| function, it is changed to a list of functions.
`
So how can this not work?
Well, with point on the character just before outline-minor...,
C-u C-x =
tells me that I was *not* looking at an apostrophe!!!
,
| position: 2519 of 66947 (4%), column: 17
| character: ‘ (displayed as ‘) (codepoint 8216, #o20030,
|[snip]
| Character code properties: customize what to show
| name: LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
| old-name: SINGLE TURNED COMMA QUOTATION MARK
| general-category: Pi (Punctuation, Initial quote)
| decomposition: (8216) ('‘')
`
So, add-hook was trying to reference a variable called
‘outline-minor-mode-hook
If I replace the left single quotation marks in that line with
apostrophes, outline-minor-mode seems to work.
:-)
Maybe a similar edit of the source would protect others like me who
copy and paste what they see rather than typing it in longhand.
Thanks for finding this strange bug! I don't even have LEFT SINGLE
QUOTATION MARK on my keyboard and wasn't aware of its existance, so this
must be a bug caused by 'copypaste' or so. No idea where this comes
from.
Actually, for me it wasn't even a bug since it only appereared in the
comment-sections (and thus in the README files) of the libraries, not in
the code (in my dot emacs) itself.
I fixed that and pushed new versions on Github. Sorry for the hassle.
--
cheers,
Thorsten
[O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Hello mailing list, This might be considered off-topic. The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in programming? -- Or have you converted non-programmers, e.g., anyone who edits text for a living? It's impossible for me to have a conversation these days without referring to org-mode. Since I use it for practically everything, there's no way to avoid raising the topic. However, I do find it difficult to convert people. I send them video captures showing off the features, give real-time demonstrations, etc., and offer to work them through the installation and lead them up the steep Emacs learning curve -- but thus far, I've only gotten a couple people to adopt it. And that after relentless advocacy. Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we /are/ talking religion here) is important. 42
Re: [O] minor bug in babel with silent output and remote R session
Hi Bastien I think that I can describe the problem a bit better now. It is not related to the silent option but occurs whenever :results value. Emacs freezes due to the following line in org-babel-comint-eval-invisibly-and-wait-for-file (while (not (file-exists-p file)) (sit-for (or period 0.25))) it seems that R cannot transfer the file and hence this is an endless loop. it may be possible to fix this using tramp, e.g. by setting the default-directory in the buffer which runs the remote-session, or by adding a more thorough check of whether the R-session is remote. to this end let me note that there are at least two ways to start a remote R session in emacs: 1) M-x shell 2) M-x ssh via ssh.el (not part of emacs) Cheers Thomas Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: Hi Thomas, Thomas Alexander Gerds t...@biostat.ku.dk writes: Using the silent option together with a remote R session block (started via ssh.el and ess-remote), like this: #+BEGIN_SRC R :results silent :exports results :session *ssh gauss* :cache yes a=1 1 #+END_SRC produces: , |[1] 1 Warning message: | In file.rename(tfile, transfer.file) : cannot rename file | /tmp/RtmpQwlyCf/file7c9b78867f6c' to | /tmp/babel-4977UIT/R-4977ucf', reason 'No such file or directory' | ` and emacs freezes. No big deal because C-g gets me out of it, but slightly annoying. with `:results output' instead of `:results: silent' everything works fine. Please let us know if the documentation* needs some clarification here, or if this is a bug -- maybe someone will have time to look at it. Thanks, * Better to check against the latest documentation from our master branch, of course. -- Thomas A. Gerds -- Assoc. Prof. Department of Biostatistics University of Copenhagen, Øster Farimagsgade 5, 1014 Copenhagen, Denmark Office: CSS-15.2.07 (Gamle Kommunehospital) tel: 35327914 (sec: 35327901)
Re: [O] [babel] Bugs for Emacs Lisp code blocks
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte wrote: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Eric Schulte wrote: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Eric Schulte wrote: Emacs Lisp is an exception in terms of colname processing, it has default header arguments set to pass column names through to the code block, where the processing may be done trivially in Emacs Lisp. OK, but I don't understand the precedence of header arguments. I thought that a header argument given on the code block preempted all the other values (system-wide default for all languages, language defaults, file-wide arguments, and subtree arguments). Why isn't this true here as well? That is what is happening here, although combinations of :hlines and :colnames can be tricky. Especially weird, is that if you want to *unset* a header argument which is set at a higher level, you need to set it to '(), as in :colnames '(). Much clearer, but not yet crystal-clear for me... Let me explain. AFAICT, there were 5 possibles values of the :colnames header argument: - no header argument :: (default for all languages but Emacs Lisp) - :colnames no :: (default for Emacs Lisp code blocks) - :colnames yes :: Tells Org Babel that your first row contains column names. - :colnames LIST :: Specifies to use LIST as column names. - :colnames nil :: Same as :colnames yes. Right? Almost, values 1 (none) and 5 (nil) are the same. I don't share your view about this last statement. ** Input table #+name: unset-colnames-example-input | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | ** Having no =:colnames= header argument (case 1) Same results for R and sh code blocks (first good news ;-)) -- I'm avoiding, on purpose, testing with Emacs Lisp... #+begin_src R :var data=unset-colnames-example-input data #+end_src #+results: | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | #+begin_src sh :var data=unset-colnames-example-input echo $data #+end_src #+results: | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | ** Using =:colnames nil= header argument (case 5) Once again, R and sh blocks do produce the same results... #+begin_src R :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames nil data #+end_src #+results: | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | #+begin_src sh :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames nil echo $data #+end_src #+results: | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | ... but they are _not_ equivalent to the no header argument (case 1). ** Using =:colnames yes= header argument (case 3) On the contrary, case 5 is equivalent to the case 3: same results as :colnames yes. #+begin_src R :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames yes data #+end_src #+results: | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | #+begin_src sh :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames yes echo $data #+end_src #+results: | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | Now, indeed, your trick with :colnames '() (or even :colnames ()...) does work well for Emacs-Lisp... Though, I thought that () was equivalent to nil, but it seems not to be the case, then. Is it because of some sort of type coercion, that would convert nil as a string or something along such lines? See Emacs Lisp evaluation of variables in (info (org)var). Not sure to find what you want me to read in that page... We could add nil as a special exception, but that might be surprising to some people. As far as the Lisp interpreter is concerned, () and nil are the same, right? Then, why do you talk of adding a special exception? Maybe, I don't understand your point because I'm missing the context info you wanted me to read just above? Extra question: when do we have to use such a trick? When the value can be a list of things? If yes, why are you talking of :hlines -- there is no list argument there? Whenever you want to unset a header argument, which has a value set at some higher level. ** unset the colnames header argument #+name: unset-colnames-example-input | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | Unlike most code blocks, Emacs Lisp has colnames set to yes in its default header arguments. [...] If we wanted to unset this value, we could do the following. #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames () data #+end_src #+RESULTS: | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | This is clear -- thanks! -- but it does not unset the header argument as long as case 1 and 5 are not the same in the above given example (for R and sh blocks). Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] export parameters in ORG file
Am 08.04.2013 15:07, schrieb Suvayu Ali: On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 02:24:52PM +0200, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Hello, Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@online.de writes: please help me understand. I do not see # in the exporter menu and it does not do anything. Org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-326-g1af215 You may have forgotten to reload Org. # Insert template entry should definitely be in the dispatcher in this version. I can confirm it is there. Hi, I had to do a make clean before make autoloads. Now it is there! Excellent! Thanks a lot! Rainer
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400, 42 147 wrote: Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we /are/ talking religion here) is important. I would say Org-mode users form the moderate demography among the followers of the church of Emacs ;). Personally I think, any attempts at conversion is futile. Just like real religion, choosing an editor is an immensely personal decision if editing text (in whatever form, source code, or prose) is a major part of your day. You should stop at mentioning and bragging about Org-mode; leave the decision to try or switch to the other person. Just my 2¢ :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400, 42 147 wrote: Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we /are/ talking religion here) is important. I would say Org-mode users form the moderate demography among the followers of the church of Emacs ;). Personally I think, any attempts at conversion is futile. Just like real religion, choosing an editor is an immensely personal decision if editing text (in whatever form, source code, or prose) is a major part of your day. You should stop at mentioning and bragging about Org-mode; leave the decision to try or switch to the other person. Not when they're your employees! Only half joking, Eric
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
42 147 aeus...@gmail.com writes: This might be considered off-topic. Maybe not? I know of a fantastic Lisp dialect and web/database programming-environment out there , | PicoLisp | http://picolisp.com/5000/!wiki?home ` that suffers exactly from the rather low conversion rate of people to it, which is kind of hard to explain given its quality. But maybe Paul Graham is right in http://www.paulgraham.com/popular.html, at least with regards to programming languages: ,- | A friend of mine once told an eminent operating systems expert that he | wanted to design a really good programming language. The expert told him | that it would be a waste of time, that programming languages don't | become popular or unpopular based on their merits, and so no matter how | good his language was, no one would use it. At least, that was what had | happened to the language he had designed. `- And just like I try to spell the word about amazing PicoLisp with this email, I wrote an Org-mode article in the student magazine of my former German distance university with the title ,-- | Self-organization with Org-mode for distance students `-- (in German) Its in ,--- | SprachRohr-Ausgabe 04/2012 FernUni Hagen `--- and the cover can be seen here: http://www.fernstudis.de/node/1203 unfortunately only the cover, since download is restricted to immatriculated students, but I reached some 50-60k readers with this article and recieved very positive feedback, I cite from an anonymous fellow distance student: , | [...] ich gehöre normalerweise nicht zu den Leserbriefschreibern, aber hier | muss ich einfach mal ein ganz großes Lob loswerden: Vielen Dank für den | Artikel über Emacs Org-Mode - der erste Artikel [...] der mich wirklich | weiterbringt und ganz sehr zum Weiterforschen anregt. Org-Mode scheint | genau das Werkzeug zu sein, nach dem ich lange gesucht habe. ` (in English more or less: normally I don't write reader comments, but Org-mode seems exactly the tool I was looking for and I feel very motivated to learn more about it after reading your article) So maybe there are ways to reach more people with less effort than in one-to-one conversion talks? Although, even with 50k readers, I will of course never know if I really achieved a single conversion. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:10, 42 147 aeus...@gmail.com wrote: Hello mailing list, This might be considered off-topic. The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in programming? -- Or have you converted non-programmers, e.g., anyone who edits text for a living? I have found that even without me trying to convert people, a lot of people are picking up Org-mode, if they are using Emacs already. I think that in my working environment, pretty much everyone who is using Emacs at least occasionally has heard about Org, and most of them are using it at least for something. Not the full suit of features, mind you, but brain storming or document drafting, certainly. Trying to convert people who are outside the reach of Emacs is pretty futile, unless they are programmer types who easily take up new tools. I have heard a number of success stories of people who try to be writers and who find that sticking ideas and snippets into a re-arrabgable outline works *much* better for them than any other system they have tried. A few examples: http://awarewriter.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/org-mode-for-writing-structure-focus/ http://awarewriter.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/monday-musings-org-mode-for-writing-ii/ http://emacslife.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/org-mode-and-novel-writing/ http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/22/emacs-for-writers-org-mode/ - Carsten It's impossible for me to have a conversation these days without referring to org-mode. Since I use it for practically everything, there's no way to avoid raising the topic. However, I do find it difficult to convert people. I send them video captures showing off the features, give real-time demonstrations, etc., and offer to work them through the installation and lead them up the steep Emacs learning curve -- but thus far, I've only gotten a couple people to adopt it. And that after relentless advocacy. Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we /are/ talking religion here) is important. 42
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:46, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote: 42 147 aeus...@gmail.com writes: This might be considered off-topic. Maybe not? I know of a fantastic Lisp dialect and web/database programming-environment out there , | PicoLisp | http://picolisp.com/5000/!wiki?home ` that suffers exactly from the rather low conversion rate of people to it, which is kind of hard to explain given its quality. But maybe Paul Graham is right in http://www.paulgraham.com/popular.html, at least with regards to programming languages: ,- | A friend of mine once told an eminent operating systems expert that he | wanted to design a really good programming language. The expert told him | that it would be a waste of time, that programming languages don't | become popular or unpopular based on their merits, and so no matter how | good his language was, no one would use it. At least, that was what had | happened to the language he had designed. `- And just like I try to spell the word about amazing PicoLisp with this email, I wrote an Org-mode article in the student magazine of my former German distance university with the title ,-- | Self-organization with Org-mode for distance students `-- I would be interested to read this article. Can you make it available? - Carsten (in German) Its in ,--- | SprachRohr-Ausgabe 04/2012 FernUni Hagen `--- and the cover can be seen here: http://www.fernstudis.de/node/1203 unfortunately only the cover, since download is restricted to immatriculated students, but I reached some 50-60k readers with this article and recieved very positive feedback, I cite from an anonymous fellow distance student: , | [...] ich gehöre normalerweise nicht zu den Leserbriefschreibern, aber hier | muss ich einfach mal ein ganz großes Lob loswerden: Vielen Dank für den | Artikel über Emacs Org-Mode - der erste Artikel [...] der mich wirklich | weiterbringt und ganz sehr zum Weiterforschen anregt. Org-Mode scheint | genau das Werkzeug zu sein, nach dem ich lange gesucht habe. ` (in English more or less: normally I don't write reader comments, but Org-mode seems exactly the tool I was looking for and I feel very motivated to learn more about it after reading your article) So maybe there are ways to reach more people with less effort than in one-to-one conversion talks? Although, even with 50k readers, I will of course never know if I really achieved a single conversion. -- cheers, Thorsten
[O] clocking in sub-second accuracy
Hi I want to use the org-mode format for logging the progress of a simulation, which works ncely at the moment. I get the following output: * [2013-04-09 10:19:22] *BEGIN* - begin initfunc ** [2013-04-09 10:19:22] *BEGIN* - Random Initialisation - [2013-04-09 10:19:22] Sys.time() : 1365495562.47626 - [2013-04-09 10:19:22] JOB_ID : 0 - [2013-04-09 10:19:22] SGE_TASK_ID : 0 - [2013-04-09 10:19:22] random seed : 1365495562 ** [2013-04-09 11:03:39] *END* - Random Initialisation CLOCK: [2013-04-09 10:19:22--[2013-04-09 11:03:39] . . . Now I can calculate the time needed per clocked item. My question: can I get resolution of less then a second? Which format do I have to use for the time? Thanks, Rainer -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug pgptbHb8Cnq6H.pgp Description: PGP signature
[O] New exporter and latex table export with floats in engineering notation
Hi (), with 8.0pre I'm currently getting strange results when exporting to latex a table with the following notations | -7.8E-2 | \(-7.8e-2\)| what shall I do? The only thing I manage in this situation is | -7.8 10^-2 | but this is unhandy especially when importing floats... -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt Germany
Re: [O] Emacs org-mode mailing list filter by category / tag?
Hi, how to configure the group to subscribe to in gnus directly (.emacs file)? When configuring news.gmane.org as server gnus hangs for long time and server closes connection. I guess it times out requesting all groups. Cheers, Matt Am 08.04.2013 21:21, schrieb Bastien: Hi Matt, Buddy Butterfly buddy.butter...@web.de writes: obviously this is a very active forum. But due to the activity I am getting too much emails. I would like to filter by tag/category when registering. I think this is definitely needed to reduce the amount of mails before (!) it arrives. We already encourage some soft labelling but we cannot enforce anything here. Is this possible right now? If so, how? If not, could this list be enhanced to provide it? I don't think the list can be enhanced. One solution for people who don't want to receive tons of emails is to follow the list through gmane.org: you just need a news reader (Gnus comes to mind) and to subscribe to the gmane.emacs.orgmode newsgroup. HTH,
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Hi John, interesting topic. My take on this is that *individual* attempts can be deceptive (for reasons that Suvayu raised), but *collective* attempts are always somehow successful. By individual attempts I mean face-to-face demos and preaching, which can help some Emacs users discover how they could use Emacs more effectively for notes and TODO lists, but will surely fail at convincing non-Emacs users. (Oh, btw, the above is not entirely true: I recently participated to a Vim-dedicated informal group, where I picked up many useful Vim tricks, and I was surprised to see that many Vimers just love Org's tables --- to the point that they have tricks to display Org tables in Vim buffers...) By collective attempts, I mean contributions to the vast pool of Org tutorials/demos/screencasts. This is how we ensure potential users will get an impression that this is easy to do with Org, which is the main feeling you need to have to test it. Think of it as low floor, high ceilings: power users push for higher ceilings, while neebies push for low floors. We can deal with high ceilings by interacting on the list, but we are better at lowering floors by contributing with tutorials, blog entries, etc. Just try to write something simple, it may convert more people you know that oral preaching near the coffee machine :) My 2 cents of course, -- Bastien
Re: [O] New exporter and latex table export with floats in engineering notation
Hi Dieter, Dieter Wilhelm, H. die...@duenenhof-wilhelm.de writes: with 8.0pre I'm currently getting strange results when exporting to latex a table with the following notations | -7.8E-2 | \(-7.8e-2\)| Please let us know what is the result, otherwise we cannot see what is strange. Thanks! PS: http://orgmode.org/org.html#Feedback -- Bastien
Re: [O] clocking in sub-second accuracy
Hi Rainer, rai...@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) writes: My question: can I get resolution of less then a second? Not for clocks, sorry! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Some %elements in org-html-postamble-format became too generous
Hi Dieter, Dieter Wilhelm die...@duenenhof-wilhelm.de writes: Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: Then what about this patch? Could someone please point me to the docu for applying patches within Emails. I think Bastien has written about keyboard shortcuts for doing this but I can't find his Email... 1. Save the patch (your.patch) 2. go to your org-mode directory 3. git apply your.patch HTH, -- Bastien
Re: [O] phone links...
Michael Strey mst...@strey.biz writes: Robert, On Do, Apr 04, 2013 at 09:38:48 -0500, Robert P. Goldman wrote: [...] I will be happy to include this into contrib (and do the relevant assignment) at any time when people think that it is sufficiently ready to go. I have been testing it in contrib/ in a testing branch in my git repo. Moreover the definition of the phone link would allow to extend the current functionality of MobileOrg by a phone call function. It will be a great feature and mobileorg is a good way of managing phone numbers Regards --
Re: [O] Emacs org-mode mailing list filter by category / tag?
Hi Buddy, Buddy Butterfly buddy.butter...@web.de writes: how to configure the group to subscribe to in gnus directly (.emacs file)? When configuring news.gmane.org as server gnus hangs for long time and server closes connection. I guess it times out requesting all groups. Please take this discussion to the Gnus mailing list: http://www.gnus.org/resources.html You cannot both complain that there are too many messages on this list and add new off-topic ones ;) Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and by example. My $0.02. Thanks. -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3
[O] need a org-contacts feature
org-contacts is very useful, but it can't be work well with CJK users for CJK input method, I need a feature like this: 1. If I search string 你好 ,the result will be: 你好 2. if I have a dict function in which there is '(nihao 你好) or '(nh 你好) 3. the feature I expect is like: when I search nihao or nh ,the result will be 你好 Thanks --
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
I'm interested in the article too. Maybe you can arrange something with the editors if even the creator of org-mode is interested in the article? On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:46, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote: 42 147 aeus...@gmail.com writes: This might be considered off-topic. Maybe not? I know of a fantastic Lisp dialect and web/database programming-environment out there , | PicoLisp | http://picolisp.com/5000/!wiki?home ` that suffers exactly from the rather low conversion rate of people to it, which is kind of hard to explain given its quality. But maybe Paul Graham is right in http://www.paulgraham.com/popular.html, at least with regards to programming languages: ,- | A friend of mine once told an eminent operating systems expert that he | wanted to design a really good programming language. The expert told him | that it would be a waste of time, that programming languages don't | become popular or unpopular based on their merits, and so no matter how | good his language was, no one would use it. At least, that was what had | happened to the language he had designed. `- And just like I try to spell the word about amazing PicoLisp with this email, I wrote an Org-mode article in the student magazine of my former German distance university with the title ,-- | Self-organization with Org-mode for distance students `-- I would be interested to read this article. Can you make it available? - Carsten (in German) Its in ,--- | SprachRohr-Ausgabe 04/2012 FernUni Hagen `--- and the cover can be seen here: http://www.fernstudis.de/node/1203 unfortunately only the cover, since download is restricted to immatriculated students, but I reached some 50-60k readers with this article and recieved very positive feedback, I cite from an anonymous fellow distance student: , | [...] ich gehöre normalerweise nicht zu den Leserbriefschreibern, aber hier | muss ich einfach mal ein ganz großes Lob loswerden: Vielen Dank für den | Artikel über Emacs Org-Mode - der erste Artikel [...] der mich wirklich | weiterbringt und ganz sehr zum Weiterforschen anregt. Org-Mode scheint | genau das Werkzeug zu sein, nach dem ich lange gesucht habe. ` (in English more or less: normally I don't write reader comments, but Org-mode seems exactly the tool I was looking for and I feel very motivated to learn more about it after reading your article) So maybe there are ways to reach more people with less effort than in one-to-one conversion talks? Although, even with 50k readers, I will of course never know if I really achieved a single conversion. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Moritz Ulrich mor...@tarn-vedra.de writes: I'm interested in the article too. Maybe you can arrange something with the editors if even the creator of org-mode is interested in the article? I already sent the pdf version of the magazine in a PM to the creator of Org-mode so he can decide if its worth the pain convert it from plain text to Org-mode and put it on Worg. Its not really special and closely oriented at the structure of the new orgmode website. Its more the big audience I could reach that made the whole thing interesting. PS I already asked the editors - legally it would be possible to republish on Worg. I'll ask them again if its allowed to cut the fully formated article from the magazine-pdf and upload this 4 page pdf on Worg. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] clocking in sub-second accuracy
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: Hi Rainer, rai...@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) writes: My question: can I get resolution of less then a second? Not for clocks, sorry! #secure method=pgpmime mode=sign Pitty. But is there an option to set clocktables to show seconds? If I create a clock table, it only shows the minutes. Rainer -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Dear Bastien, On 07.04.2013, at 23:23, Bastien wrote: [...] I pushed a fix which preserves the spirit of the previous option, but with more variables to check against. I know this is not the most user-friendly we can do here, but at least it is consistent with what the code allows. Thanks for the fix! But I think the lisp example is faulty in two respects: it needs to include the closing /tr and the default case without class name. The example given in the documentation: (setq org-html-table-row-tags (cons '(cond (top-row-p tr class=\tr-top\) (bottom-row-p tr class=\tr-bottom\ should probably be: (setq org-html-table-row-tags (cons '(cond (top-row-p tr class=\tr-top\) (bottom-row-p tr class=\tr-bottom\) (t tr)) /tr)) This is already very useful. However, in addition to rowgroup-number, top-row-p and bottom-row-p it would be really helpful to have a row counter variable. Is this difficult to implement (I honestly tried but did not see an obvious way)? Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Head of IT group Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleueler Str. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 E-Mail: voll...@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [O] Emacs org-mode mailing list filter by category / tag?
Hi Bastian, true ;-) I just wanted to know the best method. Thanks, Matt Am 09.04.2013 11:52, schrieb Bastien: Hi Buddy, Buddy Butterfly buddy.butter...@web.de writes: how to configure the group to subscribe to in gnus directly (.emacs file)? When configuring news.gmane.org as server gnus hangs for long time and server closes connection. I guess it times out requesting all groups. Please take this discussion to the Gnus mailing list: http://www.gnus.org/resources.html You cannot both complain that there are too many messages on this list and add new off-topic ones ;) Thanks!
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Hi, If I show org-mode to someone and if he/she points out the ugly graphic I stop at that point. If the reaction is more like Hey how did you do that? I might have a potential candidate. Thus, for me it comes down to two groups the once who need a graphical pleasant system which hides away all technical details and the once who like to be in control of what they are doing. A spin-off question to this thread would be, how to make joints between these two groups? Best, Torsten On 9 April 2013 12:30, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote: Moritz Ulrich mor...@tarn-vedra.de writes: I'm interested in the article too. Maybe you can arrange something with the editors if even the creator of org-mode is interested in the article? I already sent the pdf version of the magazine in a PM to the creator of Org-mode so he can decide if its worth the pain convert it from plain text to Org-mode and put it on Worg. Its not really special and closely oriented at the structure of the new orgmode website. Its more the big audience I could reach that made the whole thing interesting. PS I already asked the editors - legally it would be possible to republish on Worg. I'll ask them again if its allowed to cut the fully formated article from the magazine-pdf and upload this 4 page pdf on Worg. -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: I already asked the editors - legally it would be possible to republish on Worg. I'll ask them again if its allowed to cut the fully formated article from the magazine-pdf and upload this 4 page pdf on Worg. Better to add it somewhere else and create a link to it from Worg, because anything in Worg needs to be GFDL. -- Bastien
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Hi Stefan, Stefan Vollmar voll...@nf.mpg.de writes: should probably be: (setq org-html-table-row-tags (cons '(cond (top-row-p tr class=\tr-top\) (bottom-row-p tr class=\tr-bottom\) (t tr)) /tr)) Of course, you're right, I fixed this. This is already very useful. However, in addition to rowgroup-number, top-row-p and bottom-row-p it would be really helpful to have a row counter variable. Is this difficult to implement (I honestly tried but did not see an obvious way)? I think it is non-trivial -- as least non-trivial enough so that I can't do it at the moment, sorry. -- Bastien
Re: [O] clocking in sub-second accuracy
rai...@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) writes: But is there an option to set clocktables to show seconds? Nope, sorry. -- Bastien
[O] new exporter and plain text table export alignment
Hi all I use org tables to estimate construction projects. I frequently use simple math within a table cell to help me remember what I was thinking when I entered the data. It seems that the new exporter does not align plain text exports in some of these situations. I only use plain text and html exports; html is working perfectly. example tables and the results I see. * table I - good | | || | |-+-++---| | apples | 3 | 8 | 24.0 | | oranges | 1.2+2.8 | 9 | 36.0 | | plums | 5 | 10 | 50.0 | |-+-++---| | | || 110.0 | #+TBLFM: $4=$2*$3;%.1f::@5$4=vsum(@-I..@-II);%.1f table I - good === - apples 3 8 24.0 oranges 1.2+2.8 9 36.0 plums 5 10 50.0 - 110.0 * table II | | || | |-+-++---| | apples | 3 | 8 | 24.0 | | oranges | 1.1+1.2+1.7 | 9 | 36.0 | | plums | 5 | 10 | 50.0 | |-+-++---| | | || 110.0 | #+TBLFM: $4=$2*$3;%.1f::@5$4=vsum(@-I..@-II);%.1f table II - apples 3 8 24.0 oranges 1.1+1.2+1.7 9 36.0 plums 5 10 50.0 - 110.0 * table III || | | | |+--+-+--| | apples |3 | 8 | 24.0 | | are|4 | 9 | 36.0 | | good | 1.87995654654654 | 10 | 18.8 | |+--+-+--| || | | 78.8 | #+TBLFM: $4=$2*$3;%.1f::@5$4=vsum(@-I..@-II);%.1f table III = apples 3 8 24.0 are 4 9 36.0 good1.87995654654654 10 18.8 78.8 thanks Tracy Helms
Re: [O] Listing clock time in 'timeline' order
Hi Giorgos, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr writes: Do you think such a feature is possible org-mode? It is not possible at the moment. There is the option `org-clock-clocktable-formatter' that allows you to define your own function for formatting clocktables, so in theory you could scratch from there. Does it already exist in some form? If not, I'm definitely willing to help implementing it. I would first try to extend org-collector.el (from the contrib/ director) by allowing collections to be made from the :LOGBOOK: drawer (instead of the :PROPERTIES: drawer). Once you have this, it should be quite straightforward to put all the clocks in a table as you suggest. But definitely have a look at org-collector.el, it's worth inspecting. HTH, -- Bastien
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Dear Bastien, On 09.04.2013, at 13:46, Bastien wrote: (setq org-html-table-row-tags (cons '(cond (top-row-p tr class=\tr-top\) (bottom-row-p tr class=\tr-bottom\) (t tr)) /tr)) Of course, you're right, I fixed this. great, thanks! This is already very useful. However, in addition to rowgroup-number, top-row-p and bottom-row-p it would be really helpful to have a row counter variable. Is this difficult to implement (I honestly tried but did not see an obvious way)? I think it is non-trivial -- as least non-trivial enough so that I can't do it at the moment, sorry. not a problem - non-trivial was my assessment, too, as this kind of counter probably needs to be part of some infrastructure several levels above org-html-table-row. But it would be desirable in the long run, for semi-cosmetic stuff like alternating row colours in tables, but potentially also for more concise error messages or more complex formatting options. Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Head of IT group Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleueler Str. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 E-Mail: voll...@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
[O] [PATCH] Normalize the construction of outline-container DIV ID
Hi, I found that, when exporting to HTML, outline-container IDs are not always built the same way: - if the headline has an Org ID it is build using that ID: outline-container-ID; - if the headline does not have an Org ID, then the outline-container DIV will use the headline number instead (outline-container-X) while the ID of the inner headline is sec-X. I propose a patch to always build the outline-container DIV ID the same way by using the inner headline ID (when exporting to HTML). Regards, Francesco From 0e84e6ce8b808f15b0b84cc575b6d9eeb9e374b4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Francesco Pizzolante f...@missioncriticalit.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:38:19 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Normalize the construction of outline-container DIV ID * ox-html.el (org-html-headline): Normalize the construction of outline-container DIVs by always using the inner headline ID. TINYCHANGE --- lisp/ox-html.el |2 +- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/ox-html.el b/lisp/ox-html.el index 39b0ec9..fe7b822 100644 --- a/lisp/ox-html.el +++ b/lisp/ox-html.el @@ -2194,7 +2194,7 @@ holding contextual information. div) (format outline-container-%s (or (org-element-property :CUSTOM_ID headline) - section-number)) + (concat sec- section-number))) (concat (format outline-%d level1) (and extra-class ) extra-class) (format \nh%d id=\%s\%s%s/h%d\n -- 1.7.9
Re: [O] phone links...
Michael Strey wrote: Robert, On Mo, Apr 08, 2013 at 09:44:12 -0500, Robert Goldman wrote: Michael Strey wrote: Currently org-phone.el as well as my org-dial.el are incompatible with org-contacts. The only idea behind my proposal was to make the contributors of both packages aware of each other. Can you explain what makes org-phone incompatible with org-contacts? Maybe my naming of some function? The problem is on the side of org-contacts. Org-contacts does not support links in its properties. Thus, currently the only solution to use the advantages of org-contacts and org-phone is to give the information twice, like in the following example. #+BEGIN_SRC org * Strey, Michael :PROPERTIES: :EMAIL:mst...@strey.biz f...@bar.com :PHONE:+493514129535 +491263213 :END: [[mailto:mst...@strey.biz]] [[mailto:f...@bar.com]] [[phone:+49 (0)351 41295-35]] [[phone:+49 126 3213]] #+END_SRC This shortcoming effects not only the phone links but email links as well. Regards I think in that case it might be best to have a function in org-contacts that knows that PHONE contains phone numbers, and that can parse them out, and shoot them off to org-phone. Vague thought: Make C-c C-c aware of PHONE properties so that it can perform this magic. Again, I am not an org-contacts user, so this may be a stupid question, but how does org-contacts know when it has a contact? I am looking at the sample record you present above, and it looks just like an org-mode header to me. There is no marker, as far as I can tell, that would tell org-mode that it is a contact record, instead of some other arbitrary thing. This seems odd to me. Why isn't it something like #+BEGIN_SRC org * CONTACT Strey, Michael :PROPERTIES: :EMAIL:mst...@strey.biz f...@bar.com :PHONE:+493514129535 +491263213 :END: #+END_SRC by analogy to the way TODO flags a task? At any rate, any function that could parse a :PHONE: property could easily (funcall org-phone-function phone-number). Cheers, r
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes: My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and by example. Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too. Say the manager of a small group project were able to create a web-version of an agenda, and project members could filter that by clicking on javascript-enabled versions of tags corresponding to their TODOs, and even click the TODOs to change state, that could be a nice introduction to project management in Org. It might require too much org functionality to be re-written in javascript though? Dunno. E
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com wrote:
You can turn on formula debugging with C-c { and then you'd
see that in Pancho's case, the list is () i.e. a list containing the
empty string - a list of length 1. That might qualify as a bug (or not)
This issue is part of some old bugs that I discovered end of 2012. It
seems like my patch from then
http://orgmode.org/w/org-mode.git?p=org-mode.git;a=commitdiff;h=764315
resolved it only partially and I missed the case of a range with only
empty fields, although I tested and approved it in my ERTs... The
attached patch corrects.
It is worth a small compatibility change: For a range with only empty
fields it is now possible and necessary to choose different behaviors
of vmean by adding the format specifiers E and/or N.
Michael
From 758414846936936f4e985fdb4de82eb7c95f163f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Michael Brand michael.ch.br...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:35:21 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] org-table.el: Fix range len bugs for empty ranges
(org-table-make-reference): A range with only empty fields should lead
to length 0.
* testing/lisp/test-org-table.el: Adapt expected for several
ert-deftest.
The range len bugs may lead to wrong calculations for range references
with empty fields when the range len is relevant. Affects typically
Calc vmean on simple range and without format specifier EN. Also
Lisp with e. g. `length' on simple range or with L.
It is worth a small compatibility change: For a range with only empty
fields it is now possible and necessary to choose different behaviors
of vmean by adding the format specifiers E and/or N.
This is a follow-up of commit
764315b3fce26de59189b957a8049e299209043a.
---
lisp/org-table.el | 7 +++--
testing/lisp/test-org-table.el | 60 ++
2 files changed, 42 insertions(+), 25 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/org-table.el b/lisp/org-table.el
index bdf4ad8..7122c87 100644
--- a/lisp/org-table.el
+++ b/lisp/org-table.el
@@ -2929,7 +2929,10 @@ list, 'literal is for the format specifier L.
(if lispp
(if (eq lispp 'literal)
elements
- (prin1-to-string (if numbers (string-to-number elements) elements)))
+ (if (and (eq elements ) (not keep-empty))
+
+ (prin1-to-string
+ (if numbers (string-to-number elements) elements
(if (string-match \\S- elements)
(progn
(when numbers (setq elements (number-to-string
@@ -2942,7 +2945,7 @@ list, 'literal is for the format specifier L.
(delq nil
(mapcar (lambda (x) (if (string-match \\S- x) x nil))
elements
-(setq elements (or elements '()))
+(setq elements (or elements '())) ; if delq returns nil then we need '()
(if lispp
(mapconcat
(lambda (x)
diff --git a/testing/lisp/test-org-table.el b/testing/lisp/test-org-table.el
index 01adf52..2dd5f38 100644
--- a/testing/lisp/test-org-table.el
+++ b/testing/lisp/test-org-table.el
@@ -339,7 +339,7 @@ reference (with row). No format specifier.
| 0 | 1 | 0 | #ERROR | #ERROR | #ERROR | 2 | 2 |
| z | 1 | z | #ERROR | #ERROR | #ERROR | 2 | 2 |
| | 1 | | #ERROR | #ERROR | #ERROR | 1 | 1 |
-| | | | #ERROR | #ERROR | #ERROR | 1 | 1 |
+| | | | #ERROR | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
1 lisp)
(org-test-table-target-expect
@@ -348,7 +348,7 @@ reference (with row). No format specifier.
| 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| z | 1 | z | z + 1 | z + 1 | z + 1 | 2 | 2 |
| | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
-| | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
+| | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
1 calc)
(org-test-table-target-expect
@@ -381,7 +381,7 @@ reference (with row). Format specifier N.
| 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| z | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
| | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
-| | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
+| | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
1 lisp calc)
(org-test-table-target-expect
@@ -455,20 +455,34 @@ reference (with row). Format specifier N.
;; Empty fields in simple and complex range reference: Suppress them
;; ($5 and $6) or keep them and use 0 ($7 and $8)
- (org-test-table-target-expect
- \n| | | 5 | 7 | replace | replace | replace | replace |\n
- \n| | | 5 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 3 | 3 |\n
- 1
- ;; Calc formula
- (concat #+TBLFM:
- $5 = vmean($1..$4) :: $6 = vmean(@0$1..@0$4) ::
- $7 = vmean($1..$4); EN :: $8 = vmean(@0$1..@0$4); EN)
- ;; Lisp formula
- (concat #+TBLFM:
- $5 = '(/ (+ $1..$4 ) (length '( $1..$4 ))); N ::
- $6 = '(/ (+ @0$1..@0$4) (length '(@0$1..@0$4))); N ::
- $7 = '(/ (+ $1..$4 ) (length '( $1..$4 ))); EN ::
- $8 = '(/ (+ @0$1..@0$4) (length '(@0$1..@0$4))); EN))
+ (let ((calc (concat
+ #+TBLFM:
+ $5 =
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
Hi Gunnar On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote: #+tblfm: @2$8..@5$8='(length '($3..$7))::@6$2=vmean($3..$7);%.2f::@6$3..@6$7='(length '(@2..@5))::@6$8=vmean(@2..@5);%.2f I would use #+TBLFM: $8 = vlen($3..$7) :: @$2 = vmean($3..$7); E %.2f :: @$3..@$7 = vlen(@II..@III) :: @$8 = vmean(@2..@5); E %.2f or #+TBLFM: $8 = vlen($3..$7) :: @$2 = vmean($3..$7) +.0; E f-2 :: @$3..@$7 = vlen(@II..@III) :: @$8 = vmean(@2..@5) +.0; E f-2 For +.0 and f-2 see http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#table-float-fraction Michael
Re: [O] New exporter and dates in tables
On 8 apr. 2013, at 21:49, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On 8 apr. 2013, at 13:27, Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca wrote: Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca writes: I have subtrees with inactive timestamps in the text indicating when something occurred. I normally don't want to export these. But I think any table data that includes inactive timestamps should be an exception to this ... otherwise you get output tables with blank cells where the meaningful timestamp data would be. I understand. So what exactly should be this exception? Should export ignore :nil option in a whole table, or only when a table cell contains a single timestamp? IOW, how would it behaves in the following table: | [2013-04-04 Thu] | Lunch at [2013-04-04 Thu] ] | when `org-export-with-timestamps' is either nil or `active'? I think keeping it simple is best. If there is an inactive timestamp in a table then it should be exported (I consider everything in a table as data). I think this is the right way to look at this. I still find it surprising that :nil will remove the timestamp in: Lunch at [2013-04-04 Thu] but not in | Lunch at [2013-04-04 Thu] | I suppose I'll eventually get it. Yes, I agree that it is hard to nail the exact reasons. The reasoning for me goes like this: Some people throw in time stamps often while they work, just as a little label, indicating that they were working on this at a specific date, or that the entry was created on a specific date. Many people I know have a hook that throws in such a time stamp in each new entry created. This creates a lot of clutter when you print it, which is why you can turn off export of timestamps. That option was not meant for a contextual line like your first example. If you use the time stamps in this way, you probably will not turn off timestamp export at all, you will just leave it on. If you mix both ways of using time stamps - well, too bad. Tabular data is different because you certainly wanted that data in the table, so removing it will be confusing. Anyway, there's still another thing to ponder. Since everything in a table is data, what happens with tex:nil (LaTeX snippets)? Should this option also be ignored within a table? If not, how can we explain the difference with :nil? Tex macros are different. This is an internal way of inserting special characters, and that syntax may get into your way in some specific projects. Just like the fact that _ creates a subscript. If you have to write text with lots of _ but you never mean a subscript, this can be really annoying. So you can turn off subscripts as you can turn off interpretation of tex macros, as a convenience if the syntax gets in your way. Then it should be turned off anywhere, table or not. Regards - Carsten Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] new exporter and plain text table export alignment
Hello, maxco...@gmail.com writes: I use org tables to estimate construction projects. I frequently use simple math within a table cell to help me remember what I was thinking when I entered the data. It seems that the new exporter does not align plain text exports in some of these situations. I only use plain text and html exports; html is working perfectly. example tables and the results I see. Thank you for the detailed report. Unfortunately (or fortunately), I cannot reproduce it with Org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-333-g728c69). What version do you use? Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] [BUG?] [ox-latex] tables and inline-math doesn't seem to work
Hello, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: A bug seems to have emerged wrt inline-math and org tables. Indeed. Thank you for reporting it. It should be fixed. I guess it might be from when we dropped the '' around :attributes, but I haven't tested this. Good guess. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] new exporter and plain text table export alignment
Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: Thank you for the detailed report. Unfortunately (or fortunately), I cannot reproduce it with Org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-333-g728c69). What version do you use? Regards, the same, (release_8.0-pre-333-g728c69) I was afraid of that. Thanks for your help, I'll investigate my setup.
Re: [O] Listing clock time in 'timeline' order
On 2013-04-09 13:56, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote: Hi Giorgos, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr writes: Do you think such a feature is possible org-mode? It is not possible at the moment. There is the option `org-clock-clocktable-formatter' that allows you to define your own function for formatting clocktables, so in theory you could scratch from there. That's a very good pointer. Thanks! In the meantime I found that org-agenda includes a 'log-mode', which reports an _almost_ perfect timesheet for what I wanted to do, e.g.: Monday 8 April 2013 W15 AGENDA: 10:45-10:59 Clocked: (0:14) DONE Building FreeBSD world at ~kobe~ :laptop:personal:bsd: AGENDA: 10:45-12:15 Clocked: (1:30) DONE Reading foo doc :work:doc: AGENDA: 11:01-14:04 Clocked: (3:03) DONE Building FreeBSD world at ~kobe~ :laptop:personal:bsd: AGENDA: 12:40-14:11 Clocked: (1:31) DONE Chapter 10 -- Chapter title :reading: AGENDA: 14:04-14:10 Clocked: (0:06) DONE Installing new FreeBSD world at ~kobe~ :laptop:personal:bsd: AGENDA: 17:20-18:17 Clocked: (0:57) DONE Chapter 10 -- Chapter title :reading: AGENDA: 18:17-19:05 Clocked: (0:48) DONE Chapter 11 -- Chapter title :reading: AGENDA: 19:05-20:21 Clocked: (1:16) DONE Chapter 12 -- Chapter title :reading: AGENDA: 20:30-21:00 Clocked: (0:30) DONE Chapter 13 -- Chapter title :reading: AGENDA: 21:15-21:33 Clocked: (0:18) DONE Chapter 13 -- Chapter title :reading: AGENDA: 21:50-22:49 Clocked: (0:59) DONE Chapter 14 -- Chapter title :reading: I think I can definitely adapt this, or use a custom version of `org-clock-clocktable-formatter' to make it _perfect_. The time-ordered output of the agenda, visible with `C-c a a l' is already so close to what I wanted that the changes should be pretty minimal. Cheers, Giorgos
Re: [O] Listing clock time in 'timeline' order
Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr writes: The time-ordered output of the agenda, visible with `C-c a a l' is already so close to what I wanted that the changes should be pretty minimal. Indeed! I should have mentioned that first. -- Bastien
[O] org babel problems with (org-babel-read *R*)
after upgrading to the latest bleeding edge version I have problems executing org-babel R blocks where the session is named *R*. the error is this: ELISP (org-babel-read *R*) *** Eval error *** Symbol's value as variable is void: *R* did I miss any conventions or is this a bug? cheers thomas -- Thomas A. Gerds -- Assoc. Prof. Department of Biostatistics University of Copenhagen, Øster Farimagsgade 5, 1014 Copenhagen, Denmark Office: CSS-15.2.07 (Gamle Kommunehospital) tel: 35327914 (sec: 35327901)
Re: [O] phone links...
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 07:19:35AM -0500, Robert Goldman wrote: [...] Again, I am not an org-contacts user, so this may be a stupid question, but how does org-contacts know when it has a contact? I am looking at the sample record you present above, and it looks just like an org-mode header to me. The original idea behind org-contacts was to treat every heading containing the property :EMAIL: as contact. This has been extended to a set of customisable properties that define a heading as contact. By default :EMAIL:, :PHONE:, :ADDRESS:, or :BIRTHDAY: make a contact from any normal heading. Best regards -- Michael Strey www.strey.biz
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
42 147 dijo [Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400]: Hello mailing list, This might be considered off-topic. The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in programming? -- Or have you converted non-programmers, e.g., anyone who edits text for a living? (...) I won't talk about the people I have (not yet) converted, but about the person who converted me: I am a long-time Emacs user (got initiated back in 1983, being 6 or 7 years old, at the university where my father worked, works, and where I now work as well). We spent many Friday nights at the terminal room, he was working on some proceedings book compilation and I was getting exposed to computers when few had chance. So, yes, I got started on TeX and Emacs at quite an early age. And they deformed my mind forever, it seems. One of the factors that led me to switch to a Linux environment in the mid-90s was that both tools I cherished (but hadn't touched in almost ten years) were readily available. And while I did nothing with TeX for many years (using LyX for the occasional writeup), Emacs became very early part of my sysadmin tools, and later, my programming buddy. Still more years passed. Between 2009 and 2011, I edited a book for the university — «Construcción colaborativa del conocimiento», studying the free software / free culture movements. The process was most interesting, but quite painful - We did the inter-author collaboration using a Web framework, and it was up to me to convert the final version to LaTeX and typeset it adequately. In the end, we got quite a good result¹, which you can download if you find interesting (written in Spanish). Talking about the woes in the conversion, an anthropologist (and a very good friend of mine) suggested me to take a look at org-mode. I had previously just heard about it and dismissed it because I can perfectly do without yet-another-todo-list-manager (which is what I thought Org was). But after he showed me the ease with which he writes his articles and was halfway through his doctoral thesis, intermixing LaTeX bits, exporting to PDF and HTML, easily producing the Beamer slides I took so much pride in having mastered... I got converted right away. That was just six months ago. I now write all of my articles and presentations in Org, and am halfway through (yet another) book. ¹ http://seminario.edusol.info/
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
Nick Dokos dijo [Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 11:31:14PM -0400]:
You can turn on formula debugging with C-c { and then you'd
see that in Pancho's case, the list is () i.e. a list containing the
empty string - a list of length 1. That might qualify as a bug (or not) but
you can easily work around it, using (delq list) which deletes empty
strings from the list.
Ok - I was not sure on how to use/interpret the debugging facility,
but it will surely help me
Try this:
#+CAPTION: Attendances for April
|-+---+---+---+---+---++---|
| Account | Name | 1 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 10 | Total |
|-+---+---+---+---+---++---|
|1234 | Cárdenas, Lázaro | X | | X | X || 3 |
|5678 | Madero, Francisco | X | X | X | X || 4 |
|1544 | Villa, Pancho | | | | || 0 |
|0113 | Zapata, Emiliano | | X | X | || 2 |
|-+---+---+---+---+---++---|
#+tblfm: @II+1$..@III-1$='(length (delq '($..$)))
Interesting, my org-mode version behaves differently, and still gives
'1' for the empty row with your version:
Substitution history of formula
(...)
@r$c- '(length (delq '(0)))
$1- '(length (delq '(0)))
Result: 1
I tried substituting the empty quotes in the 'delq' with 0, '(),
'(0)... but always got the same result: 1.
I kept just one formula for clarity. I also tried to avoid absolute
row and column numbers (the $3 seemed better than $ though
so I kept it)
: @II is the second separator, $ is the last column
and $ is the penultimate column.
Right, I want to better understand relative addressing, as each month
has a different number of columns (and some have different number of
rows), and I'd prefer having the same formulas everywhere. How would
you suggest me to address from the third and until the next-to-last
column?
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Hello, Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: This is already very useful. However, in addition to rowgroup-number, top-row-p and bottom-row-p it would be really helpful to have a row counter variable. Is this difficult to implement (I honestly tried but did not see an obvious way)? I think it is non-trivial -- as least non-trivial enough so that I can't do it at the moment, sorry. Indeed. I had forgotten to implement such a tool in ox.el. I added `org-export-table-row-number'. Could you patch `org-html-table-row' accordingly? Thanks. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
[O] Is there a limit to number of entries in org-feed.el?
I tried using org-feed: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-feed.html and it returns 70 entries when I try to update. Is there a limit to the amount it can pull? Or is it me?
[O] Sync orgmode with toodledo
Hi I remember that there was a discussion about synchronizing toodledo with org, and I found the following https://github.com/christopherjwhite/org-toodledo . I just wanted to confirm if there is a build-in possibility (which I have overlooked) which can be used to sync org with toodledo. Also: any experiences with this approach above? Thanks, Rainer -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug pgp6IufgMc_lr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote: Try this: #+CAPTION: Attendances for April |-+---+---+---+---+---++---| | Account | Name | 1 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 10 | Total | |-+---+---+---+---+---++---| |1234 | Cárdenas, Lázaro | X | | X | X || 3 | |5678 | Madero, Francisco | X | X | X | X || 4 | |1544 | Villa, Pancho | | | | || 0 | |0113 | Zapata, Emiliano | | X | X | || 2 | |-+---+---+---+---+---++---| #+tblfm: @II+1$..@III-1$='(length (delq '($..$))) Interesting, my org-mode version behaves differently, and still gives '1' for the empty row with your version: Substitution history of formula (...) @r$c- '(length (delq '(0))) $1- '(length (delq '(0))) Result: 1 Check the formula again: you seem to have captured the 0 from the last column, instead of stopping at the penultimate column. The range should be $3..$ or $..$ - also, you should have posted the whole substitution history so we could see the range, instead of me guessing. The motto should be More information is better than less, but of course that should be tempered by common sense :-) HTH, Nick
[O] Google calendar sync - what is recommended?
Hi As you might guess from my recent mails, I am moving away from thunderbird to org-mode. After having my emails covered and fighting with the addressbook (using goobokk as described here http://notmuchmail.org/emacstips/#index15h2 but would like to move to ASynK https://karra-asynk.appspot.com/ if I can get it to work and to understand bbdb...) and hoping that I can also get toodledo synced, I want to sync my google calendar with org. Now there was quite siome discussion recently which I did not follow to closely. Which approach is the recommended / most stable approach in syncing google calendar with org? Thanks, Rainer PS: org-unrelated gnus questions: 1) how can I insert these [1] footnotes in message-mode? 2) how can I quote or enclose a block with these brackets in acsii code? -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug pgp7A9uOTxSS6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] new exporter and plain text table export alignment
maxco...@gmail.com writes: Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: Thank you for the detailed report. Unfortunately (or fortunately), I cannot reproduce it with Org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-333-g728c69). What version do you use? Regards, the same, (release_8.0-pre-333-g728c69) I was afraid of that. Thanks for your help, I'll investigate my setup. I had '(org-startup-indented t) removing that and plain text table exports are back to normal. thanks again for the help.
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
Michael Brand dijo [Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:40:06PM +0200]:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com wrote:
You can turn on formula debugging with C-c { and then you'd
see that in Pancho's case, the list is () i.e. a list containing the
empty string - a list of length 1. That might qualify as a bug (or not)
This issue is part of some old bugs that I discovered end of 2012. It
seems like my patch from then
http://orgmode.org/w/org-mode.git?p=org-mode.git;a=commitdiff;h=764315
resolved it only partially and I missed the case of a range with only
empty fields, although I tested and approved it in my ERTs... The
attached patch corrects.
It is worth a small compatibility change: For a range with only empty
fields it is now possible and necessary to choose different behaviors
of vmean by adding the format specifiers E and/or N.
Yes - it seems it is this bug you mention. I prefer not to patch my
.el if possible, as being me a non-hard-core, non-bleeding-edge
Org-mode user, I prefer following what comes in my Debian package ;-)
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: Indeed. I had forgotten to implement such a tool in ox.el. I added `org-export-table-row-number'. Could you patch `org-html-table-row' accordingly? Done, thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Eric Abrahamsen writes: Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes: My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and by example. Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too. Say the manager of a small group project were able to create a web-version of an agenda, and project members could filter that by clicking on javascript-enabled versions of tags corresponding to their TODOs, and even click the TODOs to change state, that could be a nice introduction to project management in Org. It might require too much org functionality to be re-written in javascript though? Dunno. E I think a web application that allowed for orgmode-as-a-group-todo-management-system thing would be huge. It would require a lot of thinking of how to approach it in a way that would be nice and make sense. I'm not really sure what it would look like. But hook that up to git and you'd have a really interesting bug tracking system. There was that relevant GSoC project, but I'd be interested in this happening in python or similar. Now that we have the standard for orgmode as a file format...
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
(Quoting in full to preserve mail readability without resorting to too much context) #+CAPTION: Attendances for April |-+---+---+---+---+---++---| | Account | Name | 1 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 10 | Total | |-+---+---+---+---+---++---| |1234 | Cárdenas, Lázaro | X | | X | X || 3 | |5678 | Madero, Francisco | X | X | X | X || 4 | |1544 | Villa, Pancho | | | | || 0 | |0113 | Zapata, Emiliano | | X | X | || 2 | |-+---+---+---+---+---++---| #+tblfm: @II+1$..@III-1$='(length (delq '($..$))) Interesting, my org-mode version behaves differently, and still gives '1' for the empty row with your version: Substitution history of formula (...) @r$c- '(length (delq '(0))) $1- '(length (delq '(0))) Result: 1 Check the formula again: you seem to have captured the 0 from the last column, instead of stopping at the penultimate column. The range should be $3..$ or $..$ - also, you should have posted the whole substitution history so we could see the range, instead of me guessing. The motto should be More information is better than less, but of course that should be tempered by common sense :-) Trying with: #+tblfm: @II+1$..@III-1$='(length(delq '($3..$))) The full substitution history is: Substitution history of formula Orig: '(length(delq '($3..$7))) $xyz- '(length(delq '($3..$7))) @r$c- '(length(delq '(0))) $1-'(length(delq '(0))) Result: 1 Format: NONE Final: 1 Changing the $3 for $ yields the exact same result. I cannot see any 0 - As far as I can understand, the evaluation of an empty vector for (length ...) gives this 0 ?
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com wrote: @r$c- '(length (delq '(0))) $1- '(length (delq '(0))) Result: 1 Check the formula again: you seem to have captured the 0 from the last column, instead of stopping at the penultimate column. The range should be $3..$ or $..$ - also, you should have posted the whole substitution history so we could see the range, instead of me guessing. The motto should be More information is better than less, but of course that should be tempered by common sense :-) Gunnar is following the Debian package, '(0) was the result for a range with all fields empty before my first patch end of 2012. See the second and the last two hunks of http://orgmode.org/w/org-mode.git?p=org-mode.git;a=commitdiff;h=764315 which change the range list from '(0) to '(). My previously attached patch will finally change this case to the required '(), see also its hunks at the beginning and the end. Trying to adapt your workaround with delq to '(0) lets me give up, also after reading the docstring of delq. Hope you or so can help. Michael
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
Trying to adapt your workaround with delq to '(0) lets me give up, also after reading the docstring of delq. Hope you or so can help. How could I miss the here not so obvious difference between eq and equal: (delete 0 [...]) works of course. Michael
[O] quickly toggling properties
Hi everyone, I just updated to the latest git to try out the ox-deck exporter -- wow it's great, thank you Rick! The exporter makes use of two properties to control the display of slide fragments -- STEP and HTML_CONTAINER_CLASS. I think I'm going to be using these a lot, so I'm wondering what the quickest way is to toggle a property. It's easy enough to define a quick key I guess, by adding this line to org-structure-templates-alist: (s :Properties\n:STEP: t\n:END:\n) But I would like to bind a function to a siple keystroke, whic hI can use to toggle the STEP or HTM_CONTAINER_CASS properties without thinking too hard. Any suggestions? Thanks! matt
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
Ah, OK - I guess Gunnar will not be able to avoid an upgrade to something more recent. And yes, the eq/equal subtleties strike once again: (eq ) t (eq 0 0) nil (equal 0 0) t
Re: [O] [bug] org-agenda-goto-date in month view fails
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: Hi Eric, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: when jumping to a new data using 'j' (org-agenda-goto-date), an error occurs if the current view is month: Fixed, thanks. Works perfectly. Thanks! -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.3.50.1 and Org release_8.0-pre-271-ga5d654
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
Nick Dokos dijo [Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 12:03:33PM -0400]: Ah, OK - I guess Gunnar will not be able to avoid an upgrade to something more recent. And yes, the eq/equal subtleties strike once again: (eq ) t (eq 0 0) nil (equal 0 0) t Yay - Thanks to you all :-) Yes, it finally works fine for me with (delete 0 [...]) Of course, at some point I will upgrade. We shall see if the world breaks and hell ensues. But right now, I'm happy and satisfied. And I'll study a bit more into the relative addressing you posted, as it surely looks better suited.
Re: [O] Google calendar sync - what is recommended?
Rainer M. Krug rai...@krugs.de writes: [...] discussion recently which I did not follow to closely. Which approach is the recommended / most stable approach in syncing google calendar with org? We are in a state of flux. For quite a while, I used a two way upload/download approach based on icalendar export from org to Google and an awk script to convert Google calendar information into org. See http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-google-sync.html This is not a synchronisation approach. However, more recently, I moved to org-caldav for syncing. There is a link to this package from that web page as well (at the end). This works really nicely. The problem is that Google has decided to no longer allow caldav access to their Calendar system from sometime later this year, requiring people to access the data in the calendar via the REST API. I have moved back to the two way upload/download procedure mentioned above. PS: org-unrelated gnus questions: 1) how can I insert these [1] footnotes in message-mode? Use footnote-mode http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FootnoteMode 2) how can I quote or enclose a block with these brackets in acsii code? I do not understand this question. Sorry. HTH, eric -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.3.50.1 and Org release_8.0-pre-271-ga5d654
Re: [O] org babel problems with (org-babel-read *R*)
Thomas Alexander Gerds tag at biostat.ku.dk writes: after upgrading to the latest bleeding edge version I have problems executing org-babel R blocks where the session is named *R*. the error is this: ELISP (org-babel-read *R*) *** Eval error *** Symbol's value as variable is void: *R* did I miss any conventions or is this a bug? This commit http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/commit /?id=bde2348c9ecc87972d21a46a91d73ad3916650b8 broke all my :session *R* headers. But :session *R* works. C-h f org-babel-read should mention *XYZ* is treated as lisp. Maybe (org-babel-read \*R*\) works for you. Or I suppose you could hack this with (setq *R* *R*) HTH,
[O] ctrl-enter and alt-enter behaviour in current org
Hi again, after updating to the current git version yesterday, I'm noticing a change in keybindings. Previously, if I wasi n a ist inside a headline: * Heading - list item - list item 2 Alt-Enter would create a new list item, while Ctrl-Enter would create a new headline. Now, I'm finding that both keys are creating new ist items. Is this the intended behaviour? Can I customize it somehow/somewhere? I'd like to go back to the old bindings, they seemed more flexible. Thanks a lot! Matt
[O] reveal.js?
... and one more thing: Now that deck.js export seems to work PERFECTLY(!), I find myself wishing for a reveal.js presentation exporter. Has anyone started one already? Thanks!! Matt
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Hi Christopher, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: Eric Abrahamsen writes: Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes: My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and by example. Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too. Say the manager of a small group project were able to create a web-version of an agenda, and project members could filter that by clicking on javascript-enabled versions of tags corresponding to their TODOs, and even click the TODOs to change state, that could be a nice introduction to project management in Org. It might require too much org functionality to be re-written in javascript though? Dunno. I think a web application that allowed for orgmode-as-a-group-todo-management-system thing would be huge. It would require a lot of thinking of how to approach it in a way that would be nice and make sense. I'm not really sure what it would look like. But hook that up to git and you'd have a really interesting bug tracking system. I guess it should be in the spirit of configurable organizers like the TiddlyWiki based GTD systems (see http://www.tiddlywiki.com/): - MPTW (MonkeyPirateTiddlyWiki) :: http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/ - mGSD :: http://mgsd.tiddlyspot.com/demo3.html and http://thinkcreatesolve.biz/mGSDEnhancements.html - D-cubed - tbGTD :: http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/ That is the killer brother application for Org, for sure. There was that relevant GSoC project, but I'd be interested in this happening in python or similar. Now that we have the standard for orgmode as a file format... Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] org babel problems with (org-babel-read *R*)
Charles Berry ccbe...@ucsd.edu writes: Thomas Alexander Gerds tag at biostat.ku.dk writes: after upgrading to the latest bleeding edge version I have problems executing org-babel R blocks where the session is named *R*. the error is this: ELISP (org-babel-read *R*) *** Eval error *** Symbol's value as variable is void: *R* did I miss any conventions or is this a bug? This commit http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/commit /?id=bde2348c9ecc87972d21a46a91d73ad3916650b8 broke all my :session *R* headers. But :session *R* works. C-h f org-babel-read should mention *XYZ* is treated as lisp. Maybe (org-babel-read \*R*\) works for you. Or I suppose you could hack this with (setq *R* *R*) HTH, I just pushed up a fix. Sorry for the bug. -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] quickly toggling properties
Hi Matt, Matt Price mopto...@gmail.com writes: I think I'm going to be using these a lot, so I'm wondering what the quickest way is to toggle a property. I'd define #+PROPERTY: STEP_ALL x1 x2 x3 and use S-right/left to cycle through x1, x2 and x3. HTH, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Google calendar sync - what is recommended?
Hi Rainer, Rainer M. Krug wrote: PS: org-unrelated gnus questions: 1) how can I insert these [1] footnotes in message-mode? See org-footnote. 2) how can I quote or enclose a block with these brackets in acsii code? --8---cut here---start-8--- In Gnus, C-c M-m (that is, the command message-mark-inserted-region). --8---cut here---end---8--- Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] [RFC] Org syntax (draft)
Hi all, Bastien b...@altern.org writes: the manual would enjoy a subsection in Hacking on how to create a new exporter, either from scratch or as a derived exporter. (Such a subsection can be short enough, thanks to derived backend.) FWIW, I started a rudimentary one. This is Adding export back-ends in the current manual from master. -- Bastien
Re: [O] TAB cycling doesn't work from end of line
Hi James, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com writes: ** Example header... ^1 ^2 ^3 ^4 If the point is at locations 1, 2 or 3, TAB will reveal the next level of children. (The ^ locations will make sense if you format the e-mail using a monospace font. A proportional font will just look nonsensical.) ** Example header *** Child node If it's at location 4, TAB cycling does nothing. Because with ^1 ^2 ^3 the point is on a headline, while with ^4 it is not on a headline, it is after the folded part of the buffer (and you usually don't know exactly where it is.) HTH, -- Bastien
Re: [O] Bugs x2: fast tag selection broken, column view broken?
Hi Toby, Toby Cubitt ts...@cantab.net writes: This one's weird. It seems to be caused by an interaction between flyspell and org. I can reproduce it with the following minimal recipe (using the column-view.org file from my previous post, though enabling column view mode in any org file should reproduce the problem): 1. Create a .emacs with the following contents: (add-to-list ~/path/to/org-mode/lisp/) (require 'flyspell) (require 'org) 2. emacs --daemon 3. emacsclient -c column-view.org 4. C-c C-x C-c Reversing the order in which flyspell and org are loaded fixes the problem. Mhh... FWIW, I installed aspell-fr and run flyspell by requiring it before Org and I could not reproduce this error. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Tables for attendance lists - A problem understanding TBLFM?
Hi Michael, Michael Brand michael.ch.br...@gmail.com writes: This issue is part of some old bugs that I discovered end of 2012. It seems like my patch from then http://orgmode.org/w/org-mode.git?p=org-mode.git;a=commitdiff;h=764315 resolved it only partially and I missed the case of a range with only empty fields, although I tested and approved it in my ERTs... The attached patch corrects. Applied, thanks. It is worth a small compatibility change: For a range with only empty fields it is now possible and necessary to choose different behaviors of vmean by adding the format specifiers E and/or N. I'll add this in the release notes. Maybe you could add a footnote in the manual for this? Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] TAB cycling doesn't work from end of line
2013/4/9 Bastien b...@gnu.org: Hi James, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com writes: ** Example header... ^1 ^2 ^3 ^4 If the point is at locations 1, 2 or 3, TAB will reveal the next level of children. (The ^ locations will make sense if you format the e-mail using a monospace font. A proportional font will just look nonsensical.) ** Example header *** Child node If it's at location 4, TAB cycling does nothing. Because with ^1 ^2 ^3 the point is on a headline, while with ^4 it is not on a headline, it is after the folded part of the buffer (and you usually don't know exactly where it is.) May I rephrase it: For this little gain there is too much pain (i.e. too hard to implement)? Thanks for the explanation, I can live without it. 8-) -- Dieter
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Nicolas Goaziou writes: Indeed. I had forgotten to implement such a tool in ox.el. I added `org-export-table-row-number'. Sorry, but using this has quadratic complexity with the number of rows... Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
[O] [BUG?] org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift
Hi everyone I like to use org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift (C-c C-x c) fairly frequently in some of my Org-mode files. Lately, it seems to have changed its function so that it creates only an exact clone, and doesn't prompt me for the time shift. Can other people reproduce this on a fairly recent git pull, or do I need to explore my .emacs to find out what I've done wrong? Expected behaviour: Invoke command, get prompted for number of clones to produce, respond, get prompted for time shift, respond, result appears. Current behaviour here: Invoke command, get prompted for number of clones to produce, respond, result appears. -- Thanks David
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Dear Nicolas, dear Bastien, On 09.04.2013, at 16:56, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: [...] Indeed. I had forgotten to implement such a tool in ox.el. I added `org-export-table-row-number'. Could you patch `org-html-table-row' accordingly? I suggest to replace the current lisp example in the documentation of org-html-table-row with (or similar): (setq org-html-table-row-tags (cons '(cond (top-row-p tr class=\tr-top\) (bottom-row-p tr class=\tr-bottom\) (t (if (= (mod row-number 2) 1) tr class=\tr-odd\ tr class=\tr-even\))) /tr)) It now generates HTML code the way the old exporter used to work for alternating row colours/styles. Thank you! Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Head of IT group Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleueler Str. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 E-Mail: voll...@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Stefan Vollmar voll...@nf.mpg.de writes: I suggest to replace the current lisp example in the documentation of org-html-table-row with (or similar): (setq org-html-table-row-tags (cons '(cond (top-row-p tr class=\tr-top\) (bottom-row-p tr class=\tr-bottom\) (t (if (= (mod row-number 2) 1) tr class=\tr-odd\ tr class=\tr-even\))) /tr)) Done, thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] [BUG] org-clock-in menu scrolls off the top of the window
Hi Bernt, Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca writes: Another change I've noticed in master is the display of the clocking task menu when doing C-u M-x org-clock-in Thanks, this is now fixed. Also, I added clocked-out time for each task. Let me know if you think it's useful or too much visual stress. -- Bastien
Re: [O] [BUG?] org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift
Hi David, David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com writes: I like to use org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift (C-c C-x c) fairly frequently in some of my Org-mode files. Lately, it seems to have changed its function so that it creates only an exact clone, and doesn't prompt me for the time shift. Can other people reproduce this on a fairly recent git pull, or do I need to explore my .emacs to find out what I've done wrong? The default is to not ask for a time-shift by default, only when (1) called with a prefix argument and (2) there is a time cookie. C-u C-c C-x c should do. Let me know if the docstring is not clear or if you find this not user-friendly -- remember in many cases, we may want to clone tasks that have no time specs. Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] [BUG?] org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: Hi David, David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com writes: I like to use org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift (C-c C-x c) fairly frequently in some of my Org-mode files. Lately, it seems to have changed its function so that it creates only an exact clone, and doesn't prompt me for the time shift. Can other people reproduce this on a fairly recent git pull, or do I need to explore my .emacs to find out what I've done wrong? The default is to not ask for a time-shift by default, only when (1) called with a prefix argument and (2) there is a time cookie. C-u C-c C-x c should do. Let me know if the docstring is not clear or if you find this not user-friendly -- remember in many cases, we may want to clone tasks that have no time specs. Is this something where the default has been changed recently? I'm fine with using a prefix, and it's not unfriendly; just this wasn't the way it worked before for me, so I assumed something was wrong. -- Thanks David
Re: [O] Agenda in MobileOrg for Android
Jorge A. Alfaro Murillo jorge.a.alf...@gmail.com writes: I think entries of the form %%(org-class 2013 1 7 2013 4 27 2) 12:00pm-01:15pm TITLE show up on MobileOrg. I have org-mobile-agendas set up to 'default and they do for me. Thank you! I'll try this. Also the synchronization with Google Calendar is quite good in Android, you can let then Google Calendar handles the remainders in your phone. Yes, that's what I do. It was just getting them to show in MobileOrg that was the problem. I'll change my org-class entries to match your format and see if it works. -- Thanks David
Re: [O] Google calendar sync - what is recommended?
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: We are in a state of flux. For quite a while, I used a two way upload/download approach based on icalendar export from org to Google and an awk script to convert Google calendar information into org. See http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-google-sync.html This is not a synchronisation approach. However, more recently, I moved to org-caldav for syncing. There is a link to this package from that web page as well (at the end). This works really nicely. The problem is that Google has decided to no longer allow caldav access to their Calendar system from sometime later this year, requiring people to access the data in the calendar via the REST API. I'm not sure Google is the solution. . . Since we discussed this last I have found a couple of nice calDAV possibilities: - Red Hat Open Shift FreeShifter: it can be used for e.g. OwnCloud or some other CalDav calendar (it can install OwnCloud itself). I use it for Tiny Tiny Rss and OwnCloud. https://www.openshift.com/quickstarts/all?order=createdsort=desc - owndrive.com also offers free OwnCloud hosting. https://owndrive.com/ If I have time at some point I'll experiment with it, but so far I have still be unable to make org-caldav work. . . –Rasmus -- Vote for proprietary math!
Re: [O] Agenda in MobileOrg for Android
Hey guys, I'm one of the maintainers of MobileOrg for Android. We've worked really hard to try to implement as many of the features of org-mode as we can and make it comfortable to use for the majority of people. A couple of points: - Originally we were just storing the org files and parsing those on demand instead of using a database. This proved extremely cumbersome when we wanted to add more features, and it really did not scale well when people had very large org files. We made a decision a while ago to switch to a database almost exclusively for this reason, but there were a lot of other smaller reasons that also made it worthwhile. - The reason we do syncing the way that we do is to fit into org-mode's org-mobile-* concept. Keeping multiple sets of plain text files in sync with emacs in the loop is no simple task. The org-mobile-* functions were already defined and well used when I started writing the Android port of MobileOrg. It may be suboptimal but currently it is the best and easiest (from the development side) way to keep a remote device and an instance of emacs in sync. I'm actually not even sure if the org-mobile-* routines are even maintained anymore. The synchronization problem is not as easy as just overwriting the files, however. - If you have issues and you don't tell us then we have no way of helping you and the problem might not go away. We try to stay on top of showstopping issues for our users (we have an email address and a bug tracker linked to in the app store) unfortunately some folks just leave a 1 star review and uninstall and never contact us. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.plwrote: Dnia 2013-04-08, o godz. 06:52:02 James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com napisał(a): As it happens, one of the lead developers of mobileorg started a thread on the MobileOrg-Android mailing list asking for issues that need to be addressed, and features that are needed, before it's ready for 1.0. Well, I didn't know about the existence if that list;). I'm using MobileOrg and enjoying it in general. I find it terribly useful and not especially cumbersome. The initial setup was a bit of a trek for me, because I don't have access to dropbox where I live (mainland China). Ultimately, because of unreliable connections to Ubuntu One, I ended up running my own WebDAV server locally and syncing at home over the WLAN. Otherwise, the only thing I had to adapt in my org/emacs usage was to schedule appointments (C-c C-s) instead of using timestamps for them (C-c .). I'm actually not crazy about that -- I'd rather use timestamps -- but it does work. (Come to think of it, I should propose that as one of the 1.0 issues... or check if it's changed since the last time I tried.) Items with scheduled or deadline timestamps appear in the Android calendar, and there is a preference in MobileOrg to attach reminders automatically. (One remaining point here -- another 1.0 issue -- is that creating a new node in MobileOrg with a schedule or deadline doesn't show up in the phone calendar until after syncing. I'll bring that up on the M/O mailing list.) I find that creating new nodes and minor editing of existing ones is not at all inconvenient. I don't see a big issue for the workflows that Marcin subsequently identified as being critical for this kind of app. They're already there. hjh As I wrote in my other email, I'll give it a try - but I'm very much tempted to try to write my own implementation, for the sake of learning. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Subject: Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode [snip] Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too. I plan to bring attention to Emacs by publishing a wiki on our intranet. ikiwiki[1] is a simple perl based wiki compiler. You maintain a tree of text documents in VCS, compile them into a network of linked HTML documents on demand (or on commit via a hook) and publish them on any http server (or whatever). Ikiwiki has an exporter framework that invokes different tools to export (or compile) different file formats. For example, it is trivial to configure it to render foo.lisp and bar.c as foo.lisp.html and bar.c.html, which contain pretty renderings of the code. There is an org-mode plugin[2] for ikiwiki that I am experimenting with. It invokes an Emacs session to call the org exporter. Like most wikis, ikiwiki also allows users to create and edit content via http. (Being perl, ikiwiki uses (modern) CGI.) The interface is a simple HTML text area. I intend to allow users to alter .org files via ikiwiki's web interface and have ikiwiki run them through the org exporter after each save (which is also a VCS commit). When users start to feel limited by the textbox, I'll suggest that they use Emacs and grant them direct file access to the VCS that stores all the .org files. (git in my case.) Wish me luck. :) Incidentally, I'd find an org-mode vs. Microsoft OneNote feature comparison matrix useful. Anybody got that? Cheers, --Dave [1] http://ikiwiki.info/ [2] https://github.com/chrismgray/ikiwiki-org-plugin
Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
Please let me know if you have any problems with the ikiwiki plugin or any feature requests. I haven't been too active with it lately, but I'm still around. :) Cheers, Chris On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Loyall, David david.loy...@nebraska.govwrote: Subject: Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode [snip] Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too. I plan to bring attention to Emacs by publishing a wiki on our intranet. ikiwiki[1] is a simple perl based wiki compiler. You maintain a tree of text documents in VCS, compile them into a network of linked HTML documents on demand (or on commit via a hook) and publish them on any http server (or whatever). Ikiwiki has an exporter framework that invokes different tools to export (or compile) different file formats. For example, it is trivial to configure it to render foo.lisp and bar.c as foo.lisp.html and bar.c.html, which contain pretty renderings of the code. There is an org-mode plugin[2] for ikiwiki that I am experimenting with. It invokes an Emacs session to call the org exporter. Like most wikis, ikiwiki also allows users to create and edit content via http. (Being perl, ikiwiki uses (modern) CGI.) The interface is a simple HTML text area. I intend to allow users to alter .org files via ikiwiki's web interface and have ikiwiki run them through the org exporter after each save (which is also a VCS commit). When users start to feel limited by the textbox, I'll suggest that they use Emacs and grant them direct file access to the VCS that stores all the .org files. (git in my case.) Wish me luck. :) Incidentally, I'd find an org-mode vs. Microsoft OneNote feature comparison matrix useful. Anybody got that? Cheers, --Dave [1] http://ikiwiki.info/ [2] https://github.com/chrismgray/ikiwiki-org-plugin
Re: [O] Agenda in MobileOrg for Android
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Well, it would be true, if syncing worked... But (at least for me) it didn't - more often than not it crashed with a mysterious error message and I lost my captures. I will try to reinstall MobileOrg and try to reproduce it and report, too. Until recently, I was using an old version of MobileOrg which often crashed on sync with some sort of dropbox error. When I got the latest version from https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/wiki (I don't currently have marketplace access[1]) that issue went away. For me, MobileOrg is now much more useful than it was, though I still have plenty of config experiments to do before I'm happy. In particular, I haven't yet figured out how to get any kind of calendar view of my data without signing up to google calendar[1]... G [1] I have nothing particularly against google services, I'm just currently experimenting to see if it's possible to live happily without them.
Re: [O] Agenda in MobileOrg for Android
I think entries of the form %%(org-class 2013 1 7 2013 4 27 2) 12:00pm-01:15pm TITLE show up on MobileOrg. I have org-mobile-agendas set up to 'default and they do for me. Also the synchronization with Google Calendar is quite good in Android, you can let then Google Calendar handles the remainders in your phone. Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Dnia 2013-04-07, o godz. 14:16:54 David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com napisał(a): I have felt the same way. Is the reason it's not already done (and the pitfall for you if you take on a project like this) that re-write major chunks of Emacs is a pretty big job? ... Remember that the purpose of something like such an app (as opposed to Org-mode proper) would not be *editing* of text, but (primarily) *entering* texts (and short ones, for that matter), entering timestamps (which is quite convenient with any pointing device, including touchscreens) and things like changing todo states and clocking in and out - and that's basically it. In other words, a very small subset of Org-mode is needed here (at least for me). I see what you mean. That makes more sense than what I said, and I like your idea. The part that I want most from Org-mode on Android is being able to automatically get audible reminders for all my appointments, whether through a transfer into the phone's own calendar or some other way. The current MobileOrg doesn't quite do the job, since it doesn't yet parse things like this: %%(org-class 2013 03 01 2013 06 22 5 52 1 12 13) ... In fact, last time I checked, it didn't even parse date stamps that weren't in the headline... ... so my whole Org file has to be specially formatted, and some of Org-mode's extremely useful features avoided, if I am going to satisfy MobileOrg's requirements. Being able to edit is nice, but that doesn't take advantage of what I really have the phone with me for - I see my phone as mainly a reminder machine, not mainly an editing machine, and would love to see MobileOrg (or some new project) gain the ability to parse every possible agenda feature used in Org files, so that I can actually receive reminders for all the items in my Org-mode agenda. If it came with a better way of simple editing, that would be even better. -- David
Re: [O] [PATCH] Normalize the construction of outline-container DIV ID
Hi Francesco, Francesco Pizzolante fpz-djc/ipccudyqhejpep6iedvlejwur...@public.gmane.org writes: I propose a patch to always build the outline-container DIV ID the same way by using the inner headline ID (when exporting to HTML). Applied, thanks. -- Bastien
Re: [O] [babel] Bugs for Emacs Lisp code blocks
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte wrote: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Eric Schulte wrote: Emacs Lisp is an exception in terms of colname processing, it has default header arguments set to pass column names through to the code block, where the processing may be done trivially in Emacs Lisp. OK, but I don't understand the precedence of header arguments. I thought that a header argument given on the code block preempted all the other values (system-wide default for all languages, language defaults, file-wide arguments, and subtree arguments). Why isn't this true here as well? That is what is happening here, although combinations of :hlines and :colnames can be tricky. Especially weird, is that if you want to *unset* a header argument which is set at a higher level, you need to set it to '(), as in :colnames '(). #+name: unset-colnames-example-input | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | ** Having no =:colnames= header argument (case 1) I understand that the following example does have =:colnames= set to =yes=: it is neither unset nor changed on the code block specification. #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input data #+end_src #+results: | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | Hence, this result is what is expected. ** Using =:colnames no= header argument (case 2) #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames no data #+end_src #+results: | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | Here, I still don't understand why I do see the table header line: I did change the default =:colnames yes= specification to =:colnames no= on the code block. I did override the default value. Why is the =no= argument not respected? ** Using =:colnames yes= header argument (case 3) #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames yes data #+end_src #+results: | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | Here, the =:colnames yes= specification is simply redundant to what's specified for the emacs-lisp language. In all cases, the results is what is should be. ** Using =:colnames nil= header argument (case 5) #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames nil data #+end_src #+results: | a | b | |---+---| | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | As written in my previous post, =:colnames nil= is equivalent to =:colnames yes= in Emacs Lisp, R and sh code blocks -- at least. (Still) not clear to me -- sorry to be stubborn. ** Using =:colnames ()= header argument (case 6) As you told me, to unset the =:colnames yes= header argument, we must use: #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames () data #+end_src #+results: | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | That does work. ** Using =:colnames ()= header argument (case 7) So does the quoted empty list version... #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames '() data #+end_src #+results: | 1 | 2 | | 3 | 4 | What is still unclear to me as well, is why =()= and =nil= aren't the same from Babel's point of view? Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] Agenda in MobileOrg for Android
Dnia 2013-04-09, o godz. 14:24:24 Matthew Jones bsdmatb...@gmail.com napisał(a): Hey guys, I'm one of the maintainers of MobileOrg for Android. We've worked really hard to try to implement as many of the features of org-mode as we can and make it comfortable to use for the majority of people. A couple of points: Hi, thanks for this answer! - Originally we were just storing the org files and parsing those on demand instead of using a database. This proved extremely cumbersome when we wanted to add more features, and it really did not scale well when people had very large org files. We made a decision a while ago to switch to a database almost exclusively for this reason, but there were a lot of other smaller reasons that also made it worthwhile. I see. OTOH, one argument *against* a database (as opposed to parsing text files) might be exactly preserving the formatting etc. of files (of course, with all the syncing stuff this is not important anyway). - The reason we do syncing the way that we do is to fit into org-mode's org-mobile-* concept. Keeping multiple sets of plain text files in sync with emacs in the loop is no simple task. The org-mobile-* functions were already defined and well used when I started writing the Android port of MobileOrg. It may be suboptimal but currently it is the best and easiest (from the development side) way to keep a remote device and an instance of emacs in sync. I'm actually not even sure if the org-mobile-* routines are even maintained anymore. The synchronization problem is not as easy as just overwriting the files, however. That's interesting. I would be very glad to learn what might the pitfalls of just overwriting files be; it may be the case that just overwriting would work well with *my personal* use pattern of Org-mode, and that would be why I don't understand MobileOrg's approach. And I guess that the decision was in fact made by the devs of MobileOrg for iOS (which I guess predates the Android app). - If you have issues and you don't tell us then we have no way of helping you and the problem might not go away. We try to stay on top of showstopping issues for our users (we have an email address and a bug tracker linked to in the app store) unfortunately some folks just leave a 1 star review and uninstall and never contact us. I know, I know, I'm sorry. But: * Yes, I did uninstall, but I've reinstalled MobileOrg again after reading this thread. I'll try to set it up again. I installed from the Google Play; is it better to use the github repo? It says 0.9.7 in the release notes on the wiki, Google Play says it's 0.9.8, and maybe it would be better to use master or even 0.9.10 (looking at the branches on github)? Where do I find the info about installing the bleeding edge version from github on my phone (I'm quite new to Android, as I mentioned.) * I did not leave a one-star review; I guess I'm too lazy for that, but also it would be a bit unfair without further investigation of my problems. * I am very busy these days, but I'll try hard to start using MobileOrg and (if the problems I had persist), I'll try to report them on MobileOrg's mailing list. In fact, my problems were twofold: firstly, syncing didn't Just Work™ (sometimes I got errors on MobileOrg, sometimes in Emacs), and some of the UI choices *did* suck. As soon as I find some time, I'll try to describe exactly what I mean by this, so that either it could get improved or I could get convinced that it's my usage that sucks (which is obviously possible, especially given my lack of experience). Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] [ox-html] bug in documentation of org-html-table-row-tags
Hello, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Nicolas Goaziou writes: Indeed. I had forgotten to implement such a tool in ox.el. I added `org-export-table-row-number'. Sorry, but using this has quadratic complexity with the number of rows... That's true. But that doesn't matter unless you plan to export thousand row tables. Anyway, patches welcome. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou
