Re: [O] [Out-of-Thread] Re: [RFC] Org syntax (draft)

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Carsten,

Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:

 Keeping this variable a customize variable invites changes also by
 people who do not really know what they are doing.  Turning it into
 a defvar or defconst and somewhere document how to hack around the
 restriction if you really need to sounds like a good solution for
 me.

Agreed.  `org-emphasis-regexp-components' is now a defvar.

Also, I added `org-emphasis-alist' to the manual.

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] [Out-of-Thread] Re: [RFC] Org syntax (draft)

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Nicolas,

Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes:

 We can also use a very simple and tolerant regexp (e.g. =[^\000]+=), and
 introduce a syntax to escape markers for fine-grained control.

FWIW this looks like the correct approach to me.

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
 From: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:49:32 +0200
 Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
 
  Overlays should be OK as long as they aren't too many, and as long as
  you don't move them around too much, particularly in post-command-hook
  or some such.
 
 This explanation sounds to me as if the display engine is building
 some kind of tree of overlays to find properties changes quickly.  Too bad I 
 don't have time to understand this stuff in more detail, it sounds 
 interesting.

Just search xdisp.c for overlay, you will see the story quite
clearly, I think.

There are actually 2 aspects that make display engine's job harder
with overlays.  One is indeed that finding overlays that cover a
given buffer position is not a very efficient operation.  The display
engine tries to overcome this to some extent by centering the
overlay data base around the place in the buffer it is rendering.
This is done for every screen line that is being examined by the
display code.

The other problem is that there's no easy way of finding out which
parts of the buffer are being affected by changes in overlays.  The
consequence of this is that redisplay cannot easily determine whether
a given portion of what's on the glass needs to be redrawn when
overlays change.  The analysis of which part(s) of a window need to be
redrawn is at the heart of redisplay optimizations, whereby Emacs
tries very hard to reuse the portions of display that are already up
to date.  Changes in overlays defeat that.  Therefore, changing _any_
overlays in a buffer disables most, if not all, redisplay
optimizations, meaning that the entire portion of the buffer that is
displayed will be completely redrawn each time overlays _anywhere_ in
the buffer are changed.



Re: [O] Bug: error enlighting file: [8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-335-g4c426b-git @ org-loaddefs.el can not be found!)]

2013-04-12 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello,

davi...@es.gnu.org (David Arroyo Menéndez) writes:

 Sometimes file link is enlighted without brackets, for example,

 file:~/public_html/docu/drupal/pantallazo8.png appears enlighted, 

This is called a plain link.

 but exporting the file to html the transformation is not good.

I get:

  div class=figure
  pimg src=/home/user/public_html/docu/drupal/pantallazo8.png  
alt=pantallazo8.png//p
  /div

What did you expect instead?


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou



Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Carsten Dominik

On 12 apr. 2013, at 08:41, Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org wrote:

 From: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:49:32 +0200
 Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org List emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
 
 Overlays should be OK as long as they aren't too many, and as long as
 you don't move them around too much, particularly in post-command-hook
 or some such.
 
 This explanation sounds to me as if the display engine is building
 some kind of tree of overlays to find properties changes quickly.  Too bad I 
 don't have time to understand this stuff in more detail, it sounds 
 interesting.
 
 Just search xdisp.c for overlay, you will see the story quite
 clearly, I think.

My Sunday pleasure reading project.

 
 There are actually 2 aspects that make display engine's job harder
 with overlays.  One is indeed that finding overlays that cover a
 given buffer position is not a very efficient operation.  The display
 engine tries to overcome this to some extent by centering the
 overlay data base around the place in the buffer it is rendering.
 This is done for every screen line that is being examined by the
 display code.
 
 The other problem is that there's no easy way of finding out which
 parts of the buffer are being affected by changes in overlays.  The
 consequence of this is that redisplay cannot easily determine whether
 a given portion of what's on the glass needs to be redrawn when
 overlays change.  The analysis of which part(s) of a window need to be
 redrawn is at the heart of redisplay optimizations, whereby Emacs
 tries very hard to reuse the portions of display that are already up
 to date.  Changes in overlays defeat that.  Therefore, changing _any_
 overlays in a buffer disables most, if not all, redisplay
 optimizations, meaning that the entire portion of the buffer that is
 displayed will be completely redrawn each time overlays _anywhere_ in
 the buffer are changed.

Wow.  OK.  I need to think to that, and I will try to take a
fresh look at overlay use in Org.

So the reason that the combination with hi-line is slow is because
hl-line is using post-command-hook to move its overlay, and redisplay
of a full window with org-mode is slow because so much stuff is
hidden and Emacs makes a full re-evaluation of what needs
to be displayed?

This makes sense.

Thanks for taking the time to get me this far.

- Carsten


[O] Latex export of tables

2013-04-12 Thread Vikas Rawal
I am using org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-247-gbc3ccd @
/home/vikas/lisp/org-mode/lisp/).

I have a table generated by a source block in a document that I would
like to export to latex. In the exported tex file, I would like org to
insert a line like the following between \end(tabular} and \end{table}

\begin{minipage}{\textwidth} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text here. 
\end{minipage}

Can somebody suggest what I could do to insert this?

I have been playing with something like the following but am not able
to get it right.

#+LATEX: {
#+NAME: table-name-out
#+CAPTION: Average gross value of output and net income from cultivation of 
wheat intercropped with rapeseed, by class, Mahatwar (Rupees per acre, 2005-06 
prices)
#+attr_latex: :environment tabulary :width 15cm :align l|RRR 
#+RESULTS: source_code_name
| A | B | C |
|---+---+---|
| 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 2 | 2 | 4 |
#+LATEX: \begin{minipage}{} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text 
here.#\end{minipage}  }

Vikas



Re: [O] Problems PlantUML

2013-04-12 Thread Volker Hess
Hi Bastien,

problem solved. I used an org-file for testing without any
sectioning. Inserting a heading before PlantUML-block everything's fine
:-)

Thx!

Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Hi Volker,

 v...@tagebergen.de writes:

 running Org-mode version 7.8.11 under GNU Emacs 23.4.1
 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) I am stumbling over a
 problem with babel/plantuml: Exporting a file with simple demo data
 leads to a png file with error msg @startuml empty
 description. Evaluating the code block results in a correct
 diagramm. Where am I wrong?

 Unless there are other Org 7.8.11 users out there that can help,
 I suggest upgrading to the current stable version 7.9.4:

   http://orgmode.org/
   http://orgmode.org/org.html#Installation

 Sorry I cannot help more, best,

-- 
  Volker Hess ** v...@tagebergen.de ** +49(0)173/672 4283
   www.tagebergen.de *
  Gießener Str. 69 ** 35460 Staufenberg ** 06406/90277
  Universität Siegen ** ZIMT ** 0271/740 2282
   volker.h...@uni-siegen.de *



[O] [BUG?] New group tag feature matches too much

2013-04-12 Thread Christian Moe

Hi,

I was delighted to discover the new group tags feature in 8.0, but I'm
getting strange results trying it out with a sparse tree.

It looks like matching a group tag matches not only the subtags, but
also spuriously matches any tag that *contains* the string of a subtag. 

So when I match for the tag 'pop' in the below example, I get not only
Entry 5 which is tagged 'abba', but also Entry 7, tagged
'yabbadabbadoo'. A tag match for 'abba' correctly returns only Entry 5.

Example buffer:

#+TAGS: { a : aa ab } { rock : ac dc } { pop : abba }
* Entry 1 (grouptag)  :a:
* Entry 2 (with subtag)   :aa:bb:
* Entry 3 (no subtag) :ac:dc:
* Entry 4 (with subtag):bb:ab:dd:
* Entry 5 (no subtag):bb:cc:abba:
* Entry 6 (no subtag, no 'a' character in tags)  :bb:dc:bbdb:
* Entry 7 (no subtag, 'abba' sequence in tag) :yabbadabbadoo:

* Some sparse tree results

Doing `C-c / m' with the following tags produces the following results:
- rock :: matches Entry 3 and 6, CORRECT
- a :: spurious match of every Entry except 6, the only one without any tag with
   an `a' character, WRONG
  - Expected: match Entry 1, 2, 4
- ab :: matches Entry 4, CORRECT
- abba :: matches Entry 5, CORRECT (no spurious match of Entry 7)
- pop :: matches Entry 5 and 7, WRONG (spurious match of Entry 7)

Yours,
Christian



Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
 From: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:13:47 +0200
 Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
 
  Just search xdisp.c for overlay, you will see the story quite
  clearly, I think.
 
 My Sunday pleasure reading project.

Good luck, and let me know if you need something explained.  The
commentary at the beginning of the file might serve as an
introduction, although it doesn't really touch the issue at hand.

 So the reason that the combination with hi-line is slow is because
 hl-line is using post-command-hook to move its overlay, and redisplay
 of a full window with org-mode is slow because so much stuff is
 hidden and Emacs makes a full re-evaluation of what needs
 to be displayed?

Right.  If hi-line (or any similar mode) is off, then at least
horizontal cursor motion should be fast, because then Emacs knows that
nothing changed, and finding the place where to put the cursor on the
same line it was before is relatively easy.

But even C-n and C-p is quite another story in an Org buffer: Emacs
needs to determine where that puts point, and doing so generally means
traversing all of the hidden parts of the buffer between the line
which was current and the new current line.  In a complex Org buffer,
that could easily be many thousands of buffer positions.

Also, recall that, under line-move-visual, which is nowadays on by
default, Emacs moves by _screen_ lines, not by physical lines.  So a
simple C-n must internally emulate display to find the next line
visible on the screen by traversing the buffer one character at a time
and taking note of each and every text property and overlay in
between, until it finds the buffer position whose screen coordinates
are [X,Y+N], where [X,Y] are the coordinates of the previous cursor
position and N is the line height in pixels.  And this is just to find
where point will be; then the screen must actually be redisplayed,
which might mean more work, if the new position of point requires
scrolling, e.g. if cursor went off the scroll margins or whatever.

We only get reasonably fast performance with all this complexity
because our machines are incredibly fast.  But we are many times on
the edge, as the bug I cited and similar ones show.



Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:

 Thanks for taking the time to get me this far.

+1!

Thanks Eli, great to learn about the internals of Emacs display
engine.  The Emacs Lisp manual already contains some directions
and warnings, but not so detailed.

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] [BUG?] New group tag feature matches too much

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Christian,

Christian Moe m...@christianmoe.com writes:

 It looks like matching a group tag matches not only the subtags, but
 also spuriously matches any tag that *contains* the string of a subtag. 

Thanks for testing this and for this detailed bug report.

This is now fixed in master.

Glad you like the feature!

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] Attributes on HTML tables?

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net writes:

 The first step is probably to research the differences between xhtml and
 html 5.

Well, I would even skip this step and just hack something usable.

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] [BUG?] New group tag feature matches too much

2013-04-12 Thread Christian Moe

Bastien writes:
 This is now fixed in master.

Tested and confirmed!

 Glad you like the feature!

I've been looking forward to it for a while.

As a Drupal taxonomy fan, I think it would be even cooler to get a
multi-level tag tree by nesting groups, e.g.

  #+TAGS: { music : { rock : acdc cure } { pop : abba madonna } }

which currently does nothing; 

or by chaining them, e.g.

  #+TAGS: { rock : acdc cure} {pop: abba madonna} {music : pop rock}

which currently results in this error message: 

  Invalid regexp: Unmatched ( or \\(


Yours,
Christian



Re: [O] Org-mode outside Org-mode

2013-04-12 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com writes:

 On 4/5/13, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote:
 that sounds like a different idea. I have heard about programming
 environments that keep comments and source-code in two different (but
 sync'd) files to minimize distraction from the source code - maybe a
 possible use case for your idea?

 Yes.  The purpose for keeping them separate is to have one of them be
 a complete Org file.

If you structure your Emacs Lisp files the 'outshine way', you can
convert them into complete Org files fast and easily using 'outorg.el'.
Use

 ,--
 | C-u C-c '
 `--

from inside the elisp buffer, or 

,--
| C-u e
`--

in the associated *Navi:my-elisp-file* buffer. 

Both bindings call '(outorg-edit-as-org optional ARG)' with ARG and
thus act on the complete buffer, not only the subtree at point.

Therefore, whenever you want to edit text, your Emacs Lisp source code
buffer becomes a (complete or partial) Org-mode buffer in a second,
while you are in emacs-lisp-mode most of the time when its about editing
code - only enhanced with Org-mode's lookfeel by the activation of
'outline-minor-mode' with 'outshine.el' extensions.

When its not about whole Org-mode buffers or whole subtrees (with
headlines and code-blocks), but just about atomic comment-strings to be
edited in Org-mode buffers, then 'poporg.el' is the tool of choice.

-- 
cheers,
Thorsten




Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Carsten Dominik

On 12 apr. 2013, at 10:31, Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org wrote:

 From: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:13:47 +0200
 Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
 
 Just search xdisp.c for overlay, you will see the story quite
 clearly, I think.
 
 My Sunday pleasure reading project.
 
 Good luck, and let me know if you need something explained.  The
 commentary at the beginning of the file might serve as an
 introduction, although it doesn't really touch the issue at hand.
 
 So the reason that the combination with hi-line is slow is because
 hl-line is using post-command-hook to move its overlay, and redisplay
 of a full window with org-mode is slow because so much stuff is
 hidden and Emacs makes a full re-evaluation of what needs
 to be displayed?
 
 Right.  If hi-line (or any similar mode) is off, then at least
 horizontal cursor motion should be fast, because then Emacs knows that
 nothing changed, and finding the place where to put the cursor on the
 same line it was before is relatively easy.
 
 But even C-n and C-p is quite another story in an Org buffer: Emacs
 needs to determine where that puts point, and doing so generally means
 traversing all of the hidden parts of the buffer between the line
 which was current and the new current line.  In a complex Org buffer,
 that could easily be many thousands of buffer positions.

I guess outline mode does have the exact same problem in this case, in
fact any mode with large amount of hidden text.

 
 Also, recall that, under line-move-visual, which is nowadays on by
 default,

Not in my setup, but since it the default, yes, this causes more
issues.  Another important point to be aware of.


 Emacs moves by _screen_ lines, not by physical lines.  So a
 simple C-n must internally emulate display to find the next line
 visible on the screen by traversing the buffer one character at a time
 and taking note of each and every text property and overlay in
 between, until it finds the buffer position whose screen coordinates
 are [X,Y+N], where [X,Y] are the coordinates of the previous cursor
 position and N is the line height in pixels.  And this is just to find
 where point will be; then the screen must actually be redisplayed,
 which might mean more work, if the new position of point requires
 scrolling, e.g. if cursor went off the scroll margins or whatever.
 
 We only get reasonably fast performance with all this complexity
 because our machines are incredibly fast.  But we are many times on
 the edge, as the bug I cited and similar ones show.

Thanks again.

- Carsten



Re: [O] [BUG?] New group tag feature matches too much

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Christian,

Christian Moe m...@christianmoe.com writes:

 As a Drupal taxonomy fan, I think it would be even cooler to get a
 multi-level tag tree by nesting groups, e.g.

   #+TAGS: { music : { rock : acdc cure } { pop : abba madonna } }

 which currently does nothing; 

Well, let's first see how useful is the current feature.

 or by chaining them, e.g.

   #+TAGS: { rock : acdc cure} {pop: abba madonna} {music : pop rock}

 which currently results in this error message: 

   Invalid regexp: Unmatched ( or \\(

Your #+TAGS line does not match the correct syntax.  

#+TAGS: {rock : acdc cure} {pop : abba madonna} {music : pop rock}
   ^^^

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Torsten Wagner
Hi,

just want to add some observation. I guess it has nothing to do with the
display engine but it might be somehow related. I used to use line-mode to
display line-numbers as a left column on all my buffers.
I noticed a very painful slowdown up to a totally unusable state during
working on very large org-files. It consisted of coursework for a
programming class and contained single headers with the student-id numbers
and a babel-code block in the headers body (hence, easily goes into 1000th
of lines). I was happy with it since I could execute and proof each
submitted coursework within a single org-file and folding helped me to move
quickly from one to the other coursework.
However, as longer as the list get as more it slowed down.

After some fiddling and searching, I noticed that the line-mode was kind
of struggling with the org-mode text-collapse feature. Whenever, I closed a
header, it took large amount of times to recalculate the line-numbers. Not
sure where exactly line-mode did consume the time. But it might as well
be related to the redisplaying of the numbers. Switching off the line-mode
made the time delay disappear completely.

Just an observation which might or might not related to the later
discussion.

Torsten




On 12 April 2013 12:56, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 12 apr. 2013, at 10:31, Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org wrote:

  From: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 09:13:47 +0200
  Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
 
  Just search xdisp.c for overlay, you will see the story quite
  clearly, I think.
 
  My Sunday pleasure reading project.
 
  Good luck, and let me know if you need something explained.  The
  commentary at the beginning of the file might serve as an
  introduction, although it doesn't really touch the issue at hand.
 
  So the reason that the combination with hi-line is slow is because
  hl-line is using post-command-hook to move its overlay, and redisplay
  of a full window with org-mode is slow because so much stuff is
  hidden and Emacs makes a full re-evaluation of what needs
  to be displayed?
 
  Right.  If hi-line (or any similar mode) is off, then at least
  horizontal cursor motion should be fast, because then Emacs knows that
  nothing changed, and finding the place where to put the cursor on the
  same line it was before is relatively easy.
 
  But even C-n and C-p is quite another story in an Org buffer: Emacs
  needs to determine where that puts point, and doing so generally means
  traversing all of the hidden parts of the buffer between the line
  which was current and the new current line.  In a complex Org buffer,
  that could easily be many thousands of buffer positions.

 I guess outline mode does have the exact same problem in this case, in
 fact any mode with large amount of hidden text.

 
  Also, recall that, under line-move-visual, which is nowadays on by
  default,

 Not in my setup, but since it the default, yes, this causes more
 issues.  Another important point to be aware of.


  Emacs moves by _screen_ lines, not by physical lines.  So a
  simple C-n must internally emulate display to find the next line
  visible on the screen by traversing the buffer one character at a time
  and taking note of each and every text property and overlay in
  between, until it finds the buffer position whose screen coordinates
  are [X,Y+N], where [X,Y] are the coordinates of the previous cursor
  position and N is the line height in pixels.  And this is just to find
  where point will be; then the screen must actually be redisplayed,
  which might mean more work, if the new position of point requires
  scrolling, e.g. if cursor went off the scroll margins or whatever.
 
  We only get reasonably fast performance with all this complexity
  because our machines are incredibly fast.  But we are many times on
  the edge, as the bug I cited and similar ones show.

 Thanks again.

 - Carsten




Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
 From: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 12:56:11 +0200
 Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
 
 I guess outline mode does have the exact same problem in this case, in
 fact any mode with large amount of hidden text.

Of course.  The only difference is that outline is not as popular as
Org, and usually is used with relatively short chunks of text.  But
the problems are exactly the same.



[O] #attr_latex :width \textwidth

2013-04-12 Thread Vikas Rawal
This does not work for me with the new exporter:

#attr_latex :width \textwidth

Is there another way to do it?

Vikas



Re: [O] #attr_latex :width \textwidth

2013-04-12 Thread John Hendy
On Apr 12, 2013 7:52 AM, Vikas Rawal vikasli...@agrarianresearch.org
wrote:

 This does not work for me with the new exporter:

 #attr_latex :width \textwidth


If this was copied and pasted you're missing a colon. I do that all the
time :)

#+attr_latex: :width

John

 Is there another way to do it?

 Vikas



Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:49:47 +0200
 From: Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com
 Cc: Eli Zaretskii e...@gnu.org, Org Mode Mailing List 
 emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
 just want to add some observation. I guess it has nothing to do with the
 display engine but it might be somehow related. I used to use line-mode to
 display line-numbers as a left column on all my buffers.
 I noticed a very painful slowdown up to a totally unusable state during
 working on very large org-files. It consisted of coursework for a
 programming class and contained single headers with the student-id numbers
 and a babel-code block in the headers body (hence, easily goes into 1000th
 of lines). I was happy with it since I could execute and proof each
 submitted coursework within a single org-file and folding helped me to move
 quickly from one to the other coursework.
 However, as longer as the list get as more it slowed down.
 
 After some fiddling and searching, I noticed that the line-mode was kind
 of struggling with the org-mode text-collapse feature. Whenever, I closed a
 header, it took large amount of times to recalculate the line-numbers. Not
 sure where exactly line-mode did consume the time. But it might as well
 be related to the redisplaying of the numbers. Switching off the line-mode
 made the time delay disappear completely.

So this was an Org file with only 1 level of headers, but with large
blocks of text between the headers, is that right?

Can you show an example of such babel-code block?  I'd like to look
into the slowdown and find its reasons.

In general, linum does exactly what defeats redisplay optimizations:
it modifies overlays in a post-command-hook.  But that doesn't mean
this was the reason for the slow operation you saw, it could be
something else.

If you can easily produce a recipe for recreating the problem, it
might be worthwhile to file an Emacs bug report.

Thanks.



Re: [O] [BUG?] New group tag feature matches too much

2013-04-12 Thread Christian Moe

Hi,

Bastien writes:
 As a Drupal taxonomy fan, I think it would be even cooler to get a
 multi-level tag tree by nesting groups

 Well, let's first see how useful is the current feature.

Fair enough.

 Your #+TAGS line does not match the correct syntax.  

 #+TAGS: {rock : acdc cure} {pop : abba madonna} {music : pop rock}
^^^

Right, thanks. I take it that there have to be spaces around the curly
braces too, since the above doesn't work either, but

 #+TAGS: { rock : acdc cure } { pop : abba madonna }
^^^^^^

works fine.

Out of curiosity, I tried the chaining experiment again with 

 #+TAGS: { rock : acdc cure } { pop : abba madonna } { music : pop rock }

and matching for tag music gives the same error message:

 Invalid regexp: Unmatched ( or \\(

But that's OK, really, since nested tag groups weren't supposed to work
anyway.

Yours,
Christian



Re: [O] More generic taskjuggler export proposal

2013-04-12 Thread Christian Egli
Hi Buddy

Buddy Butterfly buddy.butter...@web.de writes:

 I would like propose the following for taskjuggler export
 as base for a discussion to change export functionality.

Thanks for your detailed proposal. It's been a few years since I wrote
the taskjuggler exporter and I don't remember all the design decisions.
Your idea with the prefix to the attributes is an interesting one.

However, the fundamental problem here is that IMHO there is no
one-to-one mapping between all the concepts in taskjuggler and org-mode.
Fundamentally taskjuggler is a system to plan and track a multi-resource
project. I see org-mode more geared towards planing and tracking a
single user. Taskjuggler has the concept of scenarios where you can
compare a plan against another plan or an actual execution (based on
reported effort). This might be doable in org-mode but is not really a
natural thing to do.

So in essence what I'm trying to say is that the goal behind the
taskjuggler exporter was never to give you a complete taskjuggler
development environment. For that you are probably better of just
editing the tjp files directly. Instead the goal was to let the user
take their normal org-mode files and have them export to taskjuggler
with minimal changes (i.e. mark the tasks, efforts and the resources).

The same holds for the dependency system. As far as I remember it was an
explicit decision not to support the taskjuggler dependency system and
use the one provided by org-mod instead. I think taskjuggler's
dependency system is very low level. The one provided by org-mode fit my
use cases (for the occasional dependency) much better (and have support
for higher level concepts such as the ORDERED or previous-sibling
attribute).

  The dependency between tasks is one thing that should be supported by org.
  I do not know what would be the best solution here. Maybe we could get
  a completion list for the values when adding :tj_depends: properties.

I don't quite understand this part of your message. As I said above I
think the support for dependencies in the taskjuggler is IMHO quite nice
:-).

 Here I would suggest that one can place this data inbetween

  #+BEGIN_TASKJUGGLER
  #+END_TASKJUGGLER

This is something I'd like to add support for. I just never got around
to look at how this could be implemented. It has some implications as
you could destroy your otherwise valid tjp file. But it might cover some
of your use cases above. Do you know how this could be done in the new
exporter?

 I still would like to discuss the organisation with multiple projects.
 What do you think about it?

Are you referring to the problem of handling multiple projects and
similar resources? I have never done this. How do you do it in plain
taskjuggler?

Thanks
Christian

-- 
Christian Egli
Swiss Library for the Blind, Visually Impaired and Print Disabled
Grubenstrasse 12, CH-8045 Zürich, Switzerland




Re: [O] Best way to generate textile from orgmode ?

2013-04-12 Thread Christian Egli
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Hi Marc-Oliver,

 Marc-Oliver Ihm m...@ihm.name writes:

 i would like to convert orgmode to textile (which is used within confluence 
 wiki).

 What is the best way to do this ?

 The best way would be to write a textile exporter.

I agree that this would be for the benefit of everyone. But you could
also just export to md and use pandoc to convert to textile.

Christian

-- 
Christian Egli
Swiss Library for the Blind, Visually Impaired and Print Disabled
Grubenstrasse 12, CH-8045 Zürich, Switzerland




[O] Bug: Infinite loop during navigation in master [8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-386-g90dfd3 @ /home/bernt/git/org-mode/lisp/)]

2013-04-12 Thread Bernt Hansen

With the following org file

,
| 
| 
| ** TODO Project
| *** TODO One
| *** DONE Two
| *** DONE Three
| *** TODO Four
| 
| 
`

C-c / t

folds the buffer to

,
| ** TODO Project
| *** TODO One
| *** DONE Two...
| *** TODO Four...
`

If you put point on the DONE Two task and C-c C-f to move forward emacs
hangs (you can break out with C-g)

Let me know if you need anymore details.  This occurs both on windows
and linux.  I'm running org uncompiled.


Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
 of 2013-01-08 on murphy, modified by Debian
Package: Org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-386-g90dfd3 @ 
/home/bernt/git/org-mode/lisp/)

Regards,
Bernt



Re: [O] Attributes on HTML tables?

2013-04-12 Thread François Pinard
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net writes:

 The first step is probably to research the differences between xhtml and
 html 5.

 Well, I would even skip this step and just hack something usable.

There are validators out there, that could help us staying on track,
whatever the track :-).

François



Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread François Pinard
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Thanks Eli, great to learn about the internals of Emacs display
 engine.

Eli is, and always has been, quite a resourceful man.  And along the
years, I got the pleasure of discovering him as a good friend too! :-)

François



Re: [O] Bug: Infinite loop during navigation in master [8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-386-g90dfd3 @ /home/bernt/git/org-mode/lisp/)]

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca writes:

 If you put point on the DONE Two task and C-c C-f to move forward emacs
 hangs (you can break out with C-g)

Fixed, thanks!

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] blank todo kw does not delete closed ts

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Samuel,

I'm convinved now, and switching to state without any TODO keyword
will now remove the CLOSED planning information.

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] [BUG] org-clock-in menu scrolls off the top of the window

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca writes:

 I don't like the additional timestamp information.

It is now removed.

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] adding images in org

2013-04-12 Thread J. David Boyd
Nick Dokos n...@dokosmarshall.org writes:


 I don't think you can inline remote images. The post you link to refers
 only to locally available images.

 Nick

Hmm, then is there any method in Org to auto-download the image, and then
inline it?

Or in other words, do attachments have to be locally available, or will a URL
work to attach something?

Dave




Re: [O] adding images in org

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi David,

da...@adboyd.com (J. David Boyd) writes:

 Hmm, then is there any method in Org to auto-download the image, and then
 inline it?

No.

 Or in other words, do attachments have to be locally available, or will a URL
 work to attach something?

The former.

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] [BUG?] New group tag feature matches too much

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Christian Moe m...@christianmoe.com writes:

 Right, thanks. I take it that there have to be spaces around the curly
 braces too, since the above doesn't work either, but

  #+TAGS: { rock : acdc cure } { pop : abba madonna }
 ^^^^^^

 works fine.

 Out of curiosity, I tried the chaining experiment again with 

  #+TAGS: { rock : acdc cure } { pop : abba madonna } { music : pop rock }

 and matching for tag music gives the same error message:

  Invalid regexp: Unmatched ( or \\(

 But that's OK, really, since nested tag groups weren't supposed to work
 anyway.

Well, the error was not really informative.  There is no error now.
I mention group tags limitations in the manual: no nested groups, and
no group tag within another group tag definition.

Thanks again for testing this,

-- 
 Bastien



Re: [O] publishing css using babel + sass and (new) exporter

2013-04-12 Thread Rick Frankel
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 07:20:56PM -0400, Jean Schurger wrote:
 Hi,
 
I'm a new and innocent org-mode user, and I would like to use
 org-mode exporter (the new one) to publish static web pages.
 
 The 'html' part is OK, but as I hate writing CSS, I'm using babel + sass
 to build CSS code.
 
 For example:
 
 #+BEGIN_SRC sass exports: results
 body
 background: black
 #+END_SRC
 
 #+RESULTS:
 : body {
 :   background: black; }
 
 That's perfect !
 
 My question now:
 
 How should i configure my project-alist entry to publish resultant CSS
 code.

I would do something like the following:

#+BEGIN_SRC sass :exports none :results file :file sass.css
  body
background: black
#+END_SRC

and then add a static rule for css files to your publishing
function. That way you can embed the css into the same file as the
org file to be converted to html

rick





Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Eli,

I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to ask a tangential
question.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 04:03:10PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
 In general, linum does exactly what defeats redisplay optimizations:
 it modifies overlays in a post-command-hook.  But that doesn't mean

If some package wants to keep something updated (line number displays in
this case), is using the post-command-hook the only option?

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.



Re: [O] Enriched/Org is a colorful Org

2013-04-12 Thread Eli Zaretskii
 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 20:00:56 +0200
 From: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com
 Cc: Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org,
   carsten.domi...@gmail.com
 
 If some package wants to keep something updated (line number displays in
 this case), is using the post-command-hook the only option?

No.  The other one is piggy-back jit-lock.  See nlinum in ELPA for an
example, which actually is a drop-in replacement for linum, but
without many of its problems.



Re: [O] Best way to generate textile from orgmode ?

2013-04-12 Thread Marc-Oliver Ihm

Hm; good reply.
I will try ...

best regards, Marc

Am 12.04.2013 15:09, schrieb Christian Egli:

Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:


Hi Marc-Oliver,

Marc-Oliver Ihm m...@ihm.name writes:


i would like to convert orgmode to textile (which is used within confluence 
wiki).

What is the best way to do this ?


The best way would be to write a textile exporter.


I agree that this would be for the benefit of everyone. But you could
also just export to md and use pandoc to convert to textile.

Christian






Re: [O] [BUG] org-clock-in menu scrolls off the top of the window

2013-04-12 Thread Bernt Hansen


Sebastien Vauban
wxhgmqzgwmuf-genee64ty+gs+fvcfc7...@public.gmane.org writes:

 If there is a default, and current task (all the same) then [d], [c], and
 [1] will all be identical. The default task is only displayed when a default
 clocking task is identified (which is always for me). [c] may not be that
 useful to display since we can just quit and leave the clock alone.

 Personally I like the duplication in the history list (it's a true view of
 what was clocked in recently)

 Personally, I would find it clearer to see every task at most once, be it as
 default, interrupted or in the list. So, the interrupted task wouldn't be
 duplicated in the list. But I can understand that this is a question of taste.

 Something which is not a question of taste, IMHO, is that items are sometimes
 duplicated within the 1..N list: I have, for example,

 Recent Tasks
 [1] Read emails
 [2] Organize work
 [3] Organize work
 [4] Prepare meeting

 Items 2 and 3 are the same one -- I don't have Organize work duplicated
 within my agenda files. I don't understand why it's duped in there. Ever
 observed this as well?

 The main thing I'm reporting is all the whitespace now at the bottom of the
 screen since the list is artificially scrolled up. I used to be able to
 determine exactly what fit in the list so I set my history length
 appropriately.

 I know that item duplication is a side-question, but it does consume real
 screen estate...

Hi Seb,

I'm fine with removing duplicates in the 1-N list.

Regards,
Bernt




Re: [O] minor bug in babel with silent output and remote R session

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Hi Thomas,

 thanks for the follow-up.

 Thomas Alexander Gerds t...@biostat.ku.dk writes:

 I think that I can describe the problem a bit better now. It is not
 related to the silent option but occurs whenever :results value.

 Emacs freezes due to the following line in
 org-babel-comint-eval-invisibly-and-wait-for-file 

 (while (not (file-exists-p file)) (sit-for (or period 0.25)))

 it seems that R cannot transfer the file and hence this is an endless
 loop.

 I'm not knowledgeable enough in this area to provide a fix, maybe
 someone else will.


Could this be a problem with whatever tool (I'm assuming ESS) you are
using to maintain the R session and generate the R file?

Perhaps babel needs to modify the R code used to create the file (held
in the `org-babel-R-write-object-command' variable).  Could you take a
shot at providing another version of this variable?  I don't really use
R myself.

Thanks,

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte



Re: [O] [babel] Specified colnames

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:

 Eric,

 Eric Schulte wrote:
 Extra question: tested with a sh block, both of the above do work, that is
 with strings or symbols. Which one is supposed to be better (that is, will 
 be
 more portable with time), if there is one?

 Both will be maintained.  The contribution of a test exercising both
 options could provide an extra guarantee of perseverance.  This is also
 a good first step towards editing the code. :)

 Here's my trial to do so.

 --8---cut here---start-8---
 (ert-deftest test-ob/specific-column-names-symbols ()
   Test passing specific column names as a list of symbols.
   (should
(equal #+name: input-table
 | id | var1 |
 |+--|
 |  1 | bar  |
 |  2 | baz  |

 #+begin_src sh :var data=input-table :exports results :colnames '(Rev Author)
 echo \$data\
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | Rev | Author |
 |-+|
 |   1 | bar|
 |   2 | baz|

 
 (org-test-with-temp-text #+name: input-table
 | id | var1 |
 |+--|
 |  1 | bar  |
 |  2 | baz  |

 #+begin_src sh :var data=input-table :exports results :colnames '(Rev Author)
 echo \$data\
 #+end_src
 
  (org-babel-execute-src-block)
  (buffer-string)
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Does this correspond to what you're asking for?


Close, could you prepare this as a patch against the current code base?
That way I can simply apply it locally and more easily test it.


 However, running it did not succeed. I must do something wrong, or NOT do
 something good...

   ╭
   │ Selector: t
   │ Passed: 0
   │ Failed: 0
   │ Total:  0/1
   │ 
   │ Started at:   2013-04-08 22:45:19+0200
   │ Aborted.
   │ Aborted at:   2013-04-08 22:45:19+0200
   │ 
   │ A
   │ 
   │ A test-ob/specific-column-names-symbols
   │ Test passing specific column names as a list of symbols.
   │ aborted
   ╰

 The worse is that I don't get a backtrace, even after:

 - setting debug-on-error to t, or
 - M-x'ing toggle-debug-on-error.

 Weird, but not the first time -- seems related to Emacs 24.2 or so (+ my
 config?).


Integration these tests with the existing tests should help to
illuminate whatever is causing these failures.  Assuming that the
existing tests are passing on your system that is.

Cheers,


 Best regards,
   Seb

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte



Re: [O] [babel] Bugs for Emacs Lisp code blocks

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte

 Much clearer, but not yet crystal-clear for me...

 Let me explain. AFAICT, there were 5 possibles values of the :colnames
 header argument:

 - no header argument :: (default for all languages but Emacs Lisp)
 - :colnames no :: (default for Emacs Lisp code blocks)
 - :colnames yes :: Tells Org Babel that your first row contains column
   names.
 - :colnames LIST :: Specifies to use LIST as column names.
 - :colnames nil :: Same as :colnames yes.

 Right?

 Almost, values 1 (none) and 5 (nil) are the same.

 I don't share your view about this last statement.

 ** Input table

 #+name: unset-colnames-example-input
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 ** Having no =:colnames= header argument (case 1)

 Same results for R and sh code blocks (first good news ;-)) -- I'm avoiding,
 on purpose, testing with Emacs Lisp...

 #+begin_src R :var data=unset-colnames-example-input
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 #+begin_src sh :var data=unset-colnames-example-input
   echo $data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |


Looks good.


 ** Using =:colnames nil= header argument (case 5)

 Once again, R and sh blocks do produce the same results...

 #+begin_src R :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames nil
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 #+begin_src sh :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames nil
   echo $data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 ... but they are _not_ equivalent to the no header argument (case 1).


As I believe I mentioned nil on a header argument is not interpreted
as the lisp literal `nil'.  To pass an empty argument to a code block
you should do :colnames '(), an obscure syntax for an obscure thing.


 ** Using =:colnames yes= header argument (case 3)

 On the contrary, case 5 is equivalent to the case 3: same results as
 :colnames yes.

 #+begin_src R :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames yes
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 #+begin_src sh :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames yes
   echo $data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |


Because the nil you specified above is just treated as a string.  You
get the same thing with.

#+begin_src sh :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames sure
  echo $data
#+end_src

#+RESULTS:
| a | b |
|---+---|
| 1 | 2 |
| 3 | 4 |

Cheers,

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte



Re: [O] [babel] Bugs for Emacs Lisp code blocks

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:

 Hi Eric,

 Eric Schulte wrote:
 Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:
 Eric Schulte wrote:
 Emacs Lisp is an exception in terms of colname processing, it has default
 header arguments set to pass column names through to the code block, where
 the processing may be done trivially in Emacs Lisp.

 OK, but I don't understand the precedence of header arguments. I thought
 that a header argument given on the code block preempted all the other
 values (system-wide default for all languages, language defaults, file-wide
 arguments, and subtree arguments).

 Why isn't this true here as well?

 That is what is happening here, although combinations of :hlines and
 :colnames can be tricky. Especially weird, is that if you want to *unset* a
 header argument which is set at a higher level, you need to set it to '(),
 as in :colnames '().

 #+name: unset-colnames-example-input
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |


I thought you said you weren't going to try this with Emacs Lisp. :)


 ** Having no =:colnames= header argument (case 1)

 I understand that the following example does have =:colnames= set to =yes=: 
 it is
 neither unset nor changed on the code block specification.

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 Hence, this result is what is expected.

 ** Using =:colnames no= header argument (case 2)

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames no
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 Here, I still don't understand why I do see the table header line: I did
 change the default =:colnames yes= specification to =:colnames no= on the code
 block. I did override the default value. Why is the =no= argument not
 respected?


Because 'hlines is set to yes by default in
`org-babel-default-header-args:emacs-lisp'.


 ** Using =:colnames yes= header argument (case 3)

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames yes
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 Here, the =:colnames yes= specification is simply redundant to what's 
 specified
 for the emacs-lisp language. In all cases, the results is what is should be.


agreed


 ** Using =:colnames nil= header argument (case 5)

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames nil
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 As written in my previous post, =:colnames nil= is equivalent to =:colnames 
 yes=
 in Emacs Lisp, R and sh code blocks -- at least.


answered in my previous reply.


 (Still) not clear to me -- sorry to be stubborn.

 ** Using =:colnames ()= header argument (case 6)

 As you told me, to unset the =:colnames yes= header argument, we must use:

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames ()
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 That does work.


Yes, this answers your question immediately above.


 ** Using =:colnames ()= header argument (case 7)

 So does the quoted empty list version...

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames '()
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 What is still unclear to me as well, is why =()= and =nil= aren't the same 
 from
 Babel's point of view?


Look in the manual at the description of what causes header arguments to
be interpreted as Emacs Lisp.

Cheers,


 Best regards,
   Seb

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte



Re: [O] org-babel: two confirmations for org/HTML macro?

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Hi Achim,

 Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Bastien writes:
 (Sorry, I pushed a fix for the compiler warning that your patch also
 solves.)

 Not in master, though?

 Yes -- pushed this morning.

 Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Since the test suite doesn't really test confirmation at all, it would
 be nice if someone with a good variety of Babel calls could check if the
 number of confirmations stay the same with and without the patch.  I
 don't think I have test cases that cover all possible combinations.

 Please let's go and apply this, that's the best way to have more
 people testing it.  Thanks!

 Please wait for Eric to chime in.

 All right.  Copying Eric for the heads-up.


After walking through this patch, it looks like it provides exactly the
correct behavior.  Please go ahead and apply these changes.

Thanks Achim for the patch!

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte



Re: [O] [babel] Bugs for Emacs Lisp code blocks

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
 ** Using =:colnames no= header argument (case 2)

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames no
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b |
 |---+---|
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 Here, I still don't understand why I do see the table header line: I
 did change the default =:colnames yes= specification to =:colnames
 no= on the code block. I did override the default value. Why is the
 =no= argument not respected?

 This still escapes me.


Answered in my previous reply.


 ** Using =:colnames ()= header argument (case 6)

 As you told me, to unset the =:colnames yes= header argument, we must use:

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var data=unset-colnames-example-input :colnames ()
   data
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | 1 | 2 |
 | 3 | 4 |

 That does work.

 What is still unclear to me as well, is why =()= and =nil= aren't the same
 from Babel's point of view?

 However, I think I understood this one: it is because nil is interpreted as a
 string, not as the empty list; right?

 That's because strings aren't quoted, right?


Yes.

Cheers,


 Best regards,
   Seb

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte



Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Last fall I wrote a very simple elnode based web server which allows for
Org-mode files to be viewed and edited through a web browser.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/58773/focus=61752

It seems relevant to this discussion.  I haven't touched the code in
some time, so it may need to be updated to work with a current Org-mode
(although it did use the new exporter).  I've had a version running on
my home server continuously since the fall, and find it is the only way
I can get non-Emacs people to edit Org-mode files.

Cheers,

Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
 Eric Abrahamsen writes:
 Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes:

 My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
 for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
 their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and
 by example.

 Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too. Say the manager
 of a small group project were able to create a web-version of an agenda,
 and project members could filter that by clicking on javascript-enabled
 versions of tags corresponding to their TODOs, and even click the TODOs
 to change state, that could be a nice introduction to project management
 in Org. It might require too much org functionality to be re-written in
 javascript though? Dunno.

 I think a web application that allowed for
 orgmode-as-a-group-todo-management-system thing would be huge.  It would
 require a lot of thinking of how to approach it in a way that would be
 nice and make sense.  I'm not really sure what it would look like.  But
 hook that up to git and you'd have a really interesting bug tracking
 system.

 I guess it should be in the spirit of configurable organizers like the
 TiddlyWiki based GTD systems (see http://www.tiddlywiki.com/):

 - MPTW (MonkeyPirateTiddlyWiki) :: http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/
 - mGSD :: http://mgsd.tiddlyspot.com/demo3.html and
   http://thinkcreatesolve.biz/mGSDEnhancements.html
 - D-cubed
 - tbGTD :: http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/

 That is the killer brother application for Org, for sure.

 There was that relevant GSoC project, but I'd be interested in this
 happening in python or similar.  Now that we have the standard for
 orgmode as a file format...

 Best regards,
   Seb

-- 
Eric Schulte
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Re: [O] [babel] Drop `:results code'?

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:

 Hello,

 Shouldn't we, for the sake of simplifying the multiple options, drop the
 support for `:results code'?

 It is completely redundant (though, less powerful) with `:wrap'.


I have no problem with that.


 Best regards,
   Seb

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Re: [O] Web site generator, but not so static

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Fabrice Popineau fabrice.popin...@supelec.fr writes:

 I'm considering waht most benefit could be drawn from
 coupling org-mode to write web pages (skeletons)
 and hunchentoot (common lisp web server).

 There used to be some starter for a CL Org-mode parser, but it
 seems to be dead by now.

 There are several ways in which the pair could make sense.
 For example by using slime to feed directly data to the server.
 Also by the fact that org-mode in emacs could easily spit out
 sexp rather than html.

 Did anybody look into this ?

If an Emacs-Lisp web server would work, maybe this could be of use.
https://github.com/eschulte/org-ehtml

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Re: [O] [babel] sbe not working properly

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
Christian Moe m...@christianmoe.com writes:

 Hi,

 I cannot replicate Karl's problem. I copied the code examples, and got
 the right results on Org 8.0-pre (pulled this morning).

 I did have to make one change -- Babel wouldn't recognize the variables
 until I passed them with :var rather than in parens after the codeblock
 name. (I saw there was some discussion on dropping the latter syntax;
 whoa -- has it already happened?)

Yes, this syntax has been removed.

 But that much was clear from the error messages I got, so Karl's
 problem must be something different.

 Yours,
 Christian

 Darlan Cavalcante Moreira writes:

 I have my own difficulties using sbe and decided to try your example.

 I even created the shell babel block below which does the same think as the
 python code

 #+NAME: epoch2dayshell(epoch=1)
 #+begin_src sh
 echo `date --d @$epoch -u +[%F %a %T]`
 #+end_src

 but I got the same result. Actually, I realize a small detail.

 In your example, when you evaluated the table formula you got as result the
 1970 date. However, this does not mean that your python code was
 executed. You got that answer because you have evaluated the python code
 previously with the default argument (equal to 1) and thus you had

 #+RESULTS: epoch2day
 : [1970-01-01 Thu 00:00:01]

 in your file. If you erase the #+RESULTS and reevaluate the table you will
 get an ERROR. That indicates that sbe is not calling the babel block as I
 (and probably you too) was expecting.

 However, looking at sbe's documentation I can't see anything wrong with the
 formula you wrote. I'm still confused on how to correctly use sbe.

 --
 Darlan

 At Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:26:12 +0200,
 Karl Voit wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 I want to define a babel function named epoch2day which I am able to use in 
 a
 table to convert UNIX epoch times to Org-mode time stamps:
 
 #+NAME: epoch2day(epoch=1)
 #+BEGIN_SRC python :results output
 time = epoch
 import datetime
 strtime = str(time)
 datetimestamp = 
 datetime.datetime.utcfromtimestamp(int(strtime[:10]))
 print datetimestamp.strftime('[%Y-%m-%d %a %H:%M:%S]')
 #+END_SRC
 
 #+RESULTS: epoch2day
 : [1970-01-01 Thu 00:00:01]
 
 ... this works so far. However, in a table I can't overwrite the default
 value with a column value:
 
 | epoch | day   |
 |---+---|
 | 1262675465119 | [1970-01-01 Thu 00:00:01] |
 #+TBLFM: $2='(sbe epoch2day (epoch $1))
 
 ... but $2 should be: [2010-01-05 Tue 07:11:05]
 
 
 On [1] I found another example:
 
 #+name: add1(x=1) :results silent
 #+begin_src python
 return x + 1
 #+end_src
 
 #+RESULTS: add1
 : 2
 
 | foo | bar | 3 | 2 |
 #+TBLFM: @1$4='(sbe add1 (x $3))
 
 #+CALL: add1(x=2)
 
 #+RESULTS: add1(x=2)
 : 2
 
 So this simple example does not work either at my side[2].
 
 
 What is my error? Or did I found a bug?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
   1. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9595310/org-babel-sbe-syntax
   2. Org-mode 1af215bb4668bf3e778175e68fcaf from git
 -- 
 mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode:
 get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs 
 
 https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on 
 github
 
 



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Re: [O] Error with :wrap org in babel and 8.0-pre

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Schulte
John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes:

 I thought this was the proper syntax for printing stuff directly to a
 LaTeX document:

 #+begin_src R :session :exports results :results output :wrap org


I think you want either :results latex or :wrap latex.

Cheers,


 I've got a statement interspersing some prose with variable values like so:

 cat(This and such value was, var1, , and this one was, var2, .\n)

 The results block looks fine, but LaTeX is spitting out \begin{org}
 and \end{org} around it, which results in a compilation error:

 ! LaTeX Error: Environment org undefined.

 See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
 Type  H return  for immediate help.
  ...

 l.51 \begin{org}


 ! LaTeX Error: \begin{document} ended by \end{org}.

 Suggestions?


 Thanks,
 John


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[O] [PATCH] Change relative weekday specifications (ex: fri or -tue) to exclude today

2013-04-12 Thread Sacha Chua
I use the weekday specifiers for org-read-date a lot when scheduling tasks.
For example, I frequently use things like +sat - the + isn't needed for
this, but I still do it out of habit (sat works just as well). Sometimes
I want to postpone tasks to the same day next week. I think of fri as
the next upcoming Friday, so I tend to use that to postpone things.

Then I get thoroughly confused, because it ends up on the same day, and
then I grumble and reschedule it to either 2fri or +w. You see, if
today is Friday, fri gets you today, even if org-read-date-prefer-future
is true. It's the correct behaviour according to the documentation, but it
was driving me a little crazy, so I propose the attached change. It makes
fri and -fri exclude today, so if today is Friday, fri means next
Friday (procrastinate away!) and -fri means last Friday.

What do people think?


0001-Change-relative-weekday-specifications-ex-fri-or-tue.patch
Description: Binary data


Re: [O] [PATCH] Change relative weekday specifications (ex: fri or -tue) to exclude today

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Sacha,

Sacha Chua sa...@sachachua.com writes:

 What do people think?

I love it.  It's neat and efficient.  You even managed to get the
patch short enough so that it's a TINYCHANGE.

Applied, thanks!

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[O] org.texi:8719 Error

2013-04-12 Thread Feng Shu
org-version: 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-416-gbf338e)
makeinfo --no-split org.texi -o org
org.texi:8719: No closing brace for footnote `'.
org.texi:8719: Unmatched }.
makeinfo: Removing output file `org' due to errors; use --force to preserve.
make[1]: *** [org] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/feng/project/org-mode/doc'
make: *** [info] Error 2

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[O] [Help] How to apply a function to all head of buffer

2013-04-12 Thread Feng Shu

I need a function apply all the head of a org buffer,I know it will use
loop ,but I don't know the details



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Re: [O] #attr_latex :width \textwidth

2013-04-12 Thread Vikas Rawal
Sorry, I meant:

#+attr_latex :width \textwidth

Vikas





Re: [O] [Help] How to apply a function to all head of buffer

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Feng Shu tuma...@gmail.com writes:

 I need a function apply all the head of a org buffer,I know it will use
 loop ,but I don't know the details

Hi Feng Shu,

You probably want `org-map-entries', check the docstring, it's pretty
helpful.

Yours,
Eric




Re: [O] [Help] How to apply a function to all head of buffer

2013-04-12 Thread Feng Shu

Thanks Eric !

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Re: [O] Attributes on HTML tables?

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
François Pinard pin...@iro.umontreal.ca writes:

 Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net writes:

 The first step is probably to research the differences between xhtml and
 html 5.

 Well, I would even skip this step and just hack something usable.

Okay, I've got a nearly-working patch for this, but I'm falling down
hard on the defcustom. Here's what I thought to do:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(defconst org-html-doctype-alist
  '((html4 . !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN\)
(html4-strict . !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN\
\http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd\;)
(xhtml . !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN\
\http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd\;)
(html5 . !DOCTYPE HTML))
  An alist mapping (x)html flavors to specific doctypes.)

(defcustom org-html-doctype 'xhtml  
  Document type definition to use for exported HTML files.
Can be set with the in-buffer HTML_DOCTYPE property or for
publishing, with :html-doctype.
  :group 'org-export-html
  :version 24.4
  :package-version '(Org . 8.0)
  :type 'i-dont-know-how-to-work-this) 
#+END_SRC

The end result I'm after is: the user can either set org-html-doctype to
a symbol from among the cars org-html-doctype-alist, or he/she can set
it directly to the doctype string. I don't know how to represent that in
a defcustom.

And of course, if anyone has any better approaches, then speak now or...
speak later.

Eric




Re: [O] Attributes on HTML tables?

2013-04-12 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net writes:

 François Pinard pin...@iro.umontreal.ca writes:

 Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:

 Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net writes:

 The first step is probably to research the differences between xhtml and
 html 5.

 Well, I would even skip this step and just hack something usable.


I sort of fudged on the below. The upside is that it should be pretty
forgiving now: you can set all kinds of strings as your :html-doctype,
and it will do a reasonably good job of guessing how to handle it.

Barring actual bugs or poor design decisions, what's left to do is:

1. Make sure that inlined script and style chunks are escaped correctly,
I seem to remember reading that the commenting/escaping syntax for these
chunks varies according to html flavor.

2. I'd like to add the possibility to put an arbitrary :html-container
attribute on HTML elements, so that things that would have been wrapped
in divs can be wrapped in article, section, nav, and so on and
so forth.

Rick Frankel kindly provided a test file for this, which I've modified
below:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
#+TITLE:  HTML 5 Test
#+DATE:  {{{modification-time(%Y-%m-%d)}}}
#+HTML_DOCTYPE: html5
#+BIND: org-html-divs ((preamble header preamble) (content section 
content) (postamble footer postamble))
*  Org HTML5 Test
ok? This should be a paragraph with a \\
line break in it. I think
* How about a table
| col1 | col2 |
|--+--|
| a|1 |
| b|2 |
Tables can't have attributes in HTML5.
* And a list
- a
- b
- c
* And an image
[[file:1356810947473.jpg]]
* A definiton list
#+ATTR_HTML: :options html-container article
- a :: foo
- b :: bar
#+END_SRC

Please break! I'll provide a properly-written patch when we've sorted it out.

E

From 296bbf0f74d0c3d49259e146597a174e7c14fda9 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Eric Abrahamsen e...@ericabrahamsen.net
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:22:14 +0800
Subject: [PATCH] First stab at exporting to various flavors of HTML.

---
 lisp/ox-html.el | 151 +++-
 1 file changed, 96 insertions(+), 55 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/ox-html.el b/lisp/ox-html.el
index 0ad3dc3..af80707 100644
--- a/lisp/ox-html.el
+++ b/lisp/ox-html.el
@@ -142,6 +142,15 @@
 (defvar org-html--pre/postamble-class status
   CSS class used for pre/postamble)
 
+(defconst org-html-doctype-alist
+  '((html4 . !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN\)
+(html4-strict . !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN\
+\http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd\;)
+(xhtml . !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN\
+\http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd\;)
+(html5 . !DOCTYPE HTML))
+  An alist mapping (x)html flavors to specific doctypes.)
+
 (defconst org-html-special-string-regexps
   '((- . #x00ad;)		; shy
 (---\\([^-]\\) . #x2014;\\1)	; mdash
@@ -747,7 +756,9 @@ in all modes you want.  Then, use the command
   '(:border 2 :cellspacing 0 :cellpadding 6 :rules groups :frame hsides)
   Default attributes and values which will be used in table tags.
 This is a plist where attributes are symbols, starting with
-colons, and values are strings.
+colons, and values are strings.
+
+When exporting to HTML5, these values will be disregarded.
   :group 'org-export-html
   :version 24.4
   :package-version '(Org . 8.0)
@@ -855,7 +866,9 @@ CSS classes, then this prefix can be very useful.
   The extension for exported HTML files.
 %s will be replaced with the charset of the exported file.
 This may be a string, or an alist with export extensions
-and corresponding declarations.
+and corresponding declarations.
+
+This declaration only applies when exporting to XHTML.
   :group 'org-export-html
   :type '(choice
 	  (string :tag Single declaration)
@@ -871,15 +884,14 @@ Use utf-8 as the default value.
   :package-version '(Org . 8.0)
   :type 'coding-system)
 
-(defcustom org-html-doctype
-  !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN\ \http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd\;
+(defcustom org-html-doctype xhtml  
   Document type definition to use for exported HTML files.
 Can be set with the in-buffer HTML_DOCTYPE property or for
 publishing, with :html-doctype.
   :group 'org-export-html
   :version 24.4
   :package-version '(Org . 8.0)
-  :type 'string)
+  :type 'string) 
 
 (defcustom org-html-container-element div
   HTML element to use for wrapping top level sections.
@@ -1034,7 +1046,7 @@ precedence over this variable.
   '((en p class=\author\Author: %a (%e)/p
 p class=\date\Date: %d/p
 p class=\creator\%c/p
-p class=\xhtml-validation\%v/p))
+p class=\validation\%v/p))
   Alist of languages and format strings for the HTML postamble.
 
 The first element of each list is the language code, as used for
@@ -1059,7 +1071,7 @@ like that: \%%\.
 		:value-type (string :tag Format string)))
 
 (defcustom org-html-validation-link
-  a href=\http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer\;Validate XHTML 

Re: [O] [PATCH] Change relative weekday specifications (ex: fri or -tue) to exclude today

2013-04-12 Thread Carsten Dominik

On 13.4.2013, at 02:11, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:

 Hi Sacha,
 
 Sacha Chua sa...@sachachua.com writes:
 
 What do people think?
 
 I love it.

Yes, it behaves more sanely like this.  And since this was stolen from planner 
anyway... :)

- Carsten

  It's neat and efficient.  You even managed to get the
 patch short enough so that it's a TINYCHANGE.
 
 Applied, thanks!
 
 -- 
 Bastien