Re: [O] [PROPOSAL] Use prefix arg to control scope of org-narrow-to-subtree.
On 25/4/19 5:05 am, Karl Fogel wrote: Hi. This is a feature proposal -- if the consensus is that it would be welcomed, I'm happy to code it. I just didn't want to take the time to write it if there's no chance for it to be accepted upstream (since I don't want to be maintaining my own personal branch of Org Mode). It would be useful if `org-narrow-to-subtree' could optionally narrow to the next subtree(s) up, rather than only to the subtree point is currently in. For example, assume this text: * This is the first level Some text here. ** This is the second level Some other text here. *** This is the third level By now we all know this song. It is such a pretty song. This is the fourth level But do we have to sing it all day long? This car trip is getting incong * This is the fifth level ruously unrhymed. Further assume that point is on the "c" of "car trip". In the current Org Mode, if you type `C-x n s', it will narrow to the fourth-level subtree (with the fifth level included in the narrowed buffer, of course). Since `org-narrow-to-subtree' takes no arguments at all right now, it's conveniently ripe for improvement :-). My proposal is for each raw prefix arg (each `C-u' prefix) to expand the narrowing level outward/upward by one. So in the above situation: - `C-u C-x n s' would narrow to the third-level subtree - `C-u C-u C-x n s' would narrow to the second-level subtree And so on. If you offer too many `C-u's, such that the narrowing would be wider than the current surrounding first-level subtree, then there are two possible ways we could handle it: 1) Extra `C-u's are ignored -- just narrow to surrounding 1st-level subtree. 2) Throw an error. I prefer (1), because it would be the more useful behavior, even though (2) would be easier to implement (since `org-back-to-heading' already throws the error). However, I'd welcome others' feedback on that question, or on any other aspect of this proposal. Best regards, -Karl Further to my previous message: there is already provision for a numerical prefix in org-tree-to-indirect-buffer. I suppose that it and org-narrow-to-subtree should behave the same. org-narrow-to-subtree is what the old pc outliners called "hoisting". I first saw it in Thinktank and it was a blessing when writing book length documents. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Re: [O] [PROPOSAL] Use prefix arg to control scope of org-narrow-to-subtree.
On 25/4/19 5:05 am, Karl Fogel wrote: Hi. This is a feature proposal -- if the consensus is that it would be welcomed, I'm happy to code it. I just didn't want to take the time to write it if there's no chance for it to be accepted upstream (since I don't want to be maintaining my own personal branch of Org Mode). It would be useful if `org-narrow-to-subtree' could optionally narrow to the next subtree(s) up, rather than only to the subtree point is currently in. For example, assume this text: * This is the first level Some text here. ** This is the second level Some other text here. *** This is the third level By now we all know this song. It is such a pretty song. This is the fourth level But do we have to sing it all day long? This car trip is getting incong * This is the fifth level ruously unrhymed. Further assume that point is on the "c" of "car trip". In the current Org Mode, if you type `C-x n s', it will narrow to the fourth-level subtree (with the fifth level included in the narrowed buffer, of course). Since `org-narrow-to-subtree' takes no arguments at all right now, it's conveniently ripe for improvement :-). My proposal is for each raw prefix arg (each `C-u' prefix) to expand the narrowing level outward/upward by one. So in the above situation: - `C-u C-x n s' would narrow to the third-level subtree - `C-u C-u C-x n s' would narrow to the second-level subtree And so on. If you offer too many `C-u's, such that the narrowing would be wider than the current surrounding first-level subtree, then there are two possible ways we could handle it: 1) Extra `C-u's are ignored -- just narrow to surrounding 1st-level subtree. 2) Throw an error. I prefer (1), because it would be the more useful behavior, even though (2) would be easier to implement (since `org-back-to-heading' already throws the error). However, I'd welcome others' feedback on that question, or on any other aspect of this proposal. Best regards, -Karl Hi Karl, I would definitely use this feature. I'm not in a position to help with coding, but would be happy to help test. I presume that it would also apply to C-c C-x b: org-tree-to-indirect-buffer. Regards, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Re: [O] letterhead and signature in odt export
WARNING: Not entirely on point You might want to look at exporting to HTML and then using something like weasyprint to produce the PDF. I only mention this because I have been helping a friend produce ebooks using markdown, pandoc and weasyprint. Using a modest amount of CSS gives very good PDF results. I haven't tried it with letterheads, but I'm sure it would work well. Why markdown? It was hard enough getting my friend away from Word!! Maybe I can get him onto emacs in a year or two. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Re: [O] Running org-mode (and emacs) inside the Web browser ?
On 28/10/17 02:49, Olivier Berger wrote: Hi. I'm not exactly sure why that would be worth doing... but I can imagine running that Emacs Web browser port over some kind of versioned file system, and Emacs conf files (org + tangling, of course), so that you have "your" org-mode at hand from anywhere using a URL and a browser tab... of course, using a keyboard for browsing that tab would be better than a touch screen, re keyboard shortcuts. Chromebook would be one good reason. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Re: [O] org-mode markup vs rst for general content
On 11/03/17 07:32, Samuel Wales wrote: On 3/10/17, Eric S Fraga <e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: I would say Markdown if you are collaborating with someone not familiar with Emacs. The Pandoc version will do a surprising amount. Org-mode for nearly everything else, but if you need more, go on to LaTeX. Excellent summary. the pandoc version of ...? org->markdown->pandoc->word? The opinion is mine (I don't want Eric embarrassed by my opinions!!). The pandoc version of Markdown is what I meant. And I definitely prefer org-mode, but the context was one of collaboration with someone who has never used Emacs. I had no hope of converting him from Word to Emacs/org-mode, but he was happy with Markdown. The text was simply enough that none of the complexities that you mention below arose. Also, on export to Word: my export path actually was org -> LaTeX -> LibreOffice. The last step uses a special script that is part of the tex4ht (I even got the name wrong before) package: oolatex. For some reason, the Debian Jessie package does not install oolatex on the PATH. On my system it is installed at /usr/share/tex4ht/oolatex. oolatex will pause periodically, at least on a long manuscript. Restart by typing 'x'. Cheers, Alan i think a major feature would be working with internal links. so you'd export a subtree, and links to locations in the subtree would be supported. does markdown do that? also, org-export-with-tasks can't be supported by pandoc, because presumably it doesn't go off and inspect your .emacs, but can it support the properties drawer equivalent? -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-mode markup vs rst for general content
Is there any direct way to get the "see 4.6.1" form of reference? I doubt it since it clearly requires a double pass of the manuscript, first to assign section numbers and labels, then to put in the appropriate reference. LaTeX does that. To answer my own question: Don't have any text in the cross reference: RTFM section 4.2 Internal Links. Is there a customisation that allows a regular type link which I like in HTML export, but a simple section number when called for a printed output? -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-mode markup vs rst for general content
On 10/03/17 11:17, Samuel Wales wrote: On 3/9/17, Alan L Tyree <alanty...@gmail.com> wrote: The only problem that I have had is converting org-mode to Word files as required by my publisher. The ODT export module is fiddly and often chokes on my longer documents. When it does choke, it is hard to trace the problems. Markdown + Pandoc seems much better in this regard, but the outlining features in Emacs do not seem to be as good for the Markdown mode. To get a decent export in my latest manuscript I had to export to LaTeX then use ht4tex. Not a pretty workflow. your answer seems very helpful. not sure what you mean in this par though. just to clarify: are you referring to exporting to word from org-mode? Yes, my publisher demands Word manuscripts (I don't know why -- they immediately use some other publishing software). - odt [is that word format?] LibreOffice, but LibreOffice exports nicely to Word. - org -> markdown -> pandoc [presumably word] Or even org -> Word using pandoc; the result was a bit of a mess though whether going via markdown or directly. Actually two problems: - Lots of html markup in the result; noting the earlier posts in this thread, that might have been overcome; - Internal references were links where the text of the link was the text of the target section; what I wanted was the link text to be the section number. In other words, the result was "see Holder in Due Course" instead of "see 4.6.1". The links were correct in each case, but the descriptive text was different. - org -> latex -> ht4tex [= word?] No, I was wrong about that. ht4tex converted to HTML (but with the right form of cross reference) and then pandoc to word. The end result had the cross references in the form I wanted. Is there any direct way to get the "see 4.6.1" form of reference? I doubt it since it clearly requires a double pass of the manuscript, first to assign section numbers and labels, then to put in the appropriate reference. LaTeX does that. i was wondering, too, what format would be good to export to for a nontechnical reader, from org, and can preserve org's external hyperlinks and numbered outline structure. The LibreOffice export is good when it works. I have just found it to be hit and miss. If the 'non-technical' reader can handle plain text, I would just send them Markdown, otherwise I guess you need to go for Word or RTF. It is a painful process. to the original poster: org can also insert literal target format code. for example, you can put literal html code into your export as needed. dunno if that fits your needs. -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-mode markup vs rst for general content
On 10/03/17 09:03, Saša Janiška wrote: John Kitchin <jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: Could you be more specific about what kind of richness you are looking for? In a general sense…iow, it’s a fact that rst markup is richer than e.g. Markdown. Probably, Asciidoc(tor) also provides more semantic richness and make it suitable markup for longer docs/books, so I wonder where one can put org-mode’s markup on this scale? Sincerely, Gour I write legal textbooks (up to 600 printed pages) using org-mode. They are structurally simple (no sidebars, no illustrations, no computer code). On the other hand, they have lots of citations and internal cross references. Org-mode is the best for this kind of work because of the flexible outline structure, not just collapsing and expanding, but the "hoisting" facility that allows me to focus on smaller sections. The org-ref module does its work, and the internal cross referencing is the best. I recently assisted a friend to put together a memoir that he wanted to publish as ePub and print. It had lots of pictures. He had originally typed it in Word and it was a nightmare. Images would not stay put, even the typeface would change. The on-line publishers like Lulu rejected it. We reformatted in in Pandoc Markdown and produced a very nice result. I would have preferred org-mode, but he had never been near Emacs. We got good ePub, xhtml and print from a single manuscript. I have also written in rst: it is a slightly richer language out of the box with provisions for sidebars, cautions, etc, but unless you really need those things, I would stick with org-mode. I find the syntax of rst to be very fiddly. Most of the special effects can be obtained with css in any case. The only problem that I have had is converting org-mode to Word files as required by my publisher. The ODT export module is fiddly and often chokes on my longer documents. When it does choke, it is hard to trace the problems. Markdown + Pandoc seems much better in this regard, but the outlining features in Emacs do not seem to be as good for the Markdown mode. To get a decent export in my latest manuscript I had to export to LaTeX then use ht4tex. Not a pretty workflow. I would say Markdown if you are collaborating with someone not familiar with Emacs. The Pandoc version will do a surprising amount. Org-mode for nearly everything else, but if you need more, go on to LaTeX. This may be more than you wanted to know :-). Regards, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] HTML Export problem with org-ref -- SOLVED
On 10/02/17 10:23, Alan L Tyree wrote:
I'm trying to export a large document (about 600 printed a4 pages) to
html. It contains a lot of references.
The export fails with this message:
byte-code: abl-8 chicago limit:t does not seem to exist
Because of the "chicago", I am presuming that the failure is in my
setup of org-ref, but I can't seem to find any info on it.
What information can I provide to help track this down? any help
greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Alan
Org mode version 9.0.4 (9.0.4-elpaplus @
/home/alant/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20170124/)
GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of
2016-03-20 on trouble, modified by Debian
Debian Jessie installation.
Sorry for the noise. The problem was that I had some old (pre-org-ref I
guess) bibliography stuff in the file. Commented out, but still picked
up by org-ref. For the record:
# #+BIBLIOGRAPHY: abl-8 chicago limit:t
# # \bibliographystyle{plain}
# # \bibliography{refs,tyree}
Deleting from the file fixed everything.
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] HTML Export problem with org-ref
On 10/02/17 10:23, Alan L Tyree wrote:
I'm trying to export a large document (about 600 printed a4 pages) to
html. It contains a lot of references.
The export fails with this message:
byte-code: abl-8 chicago limit:t does not seem to exist
Because of the "chicago", I am presuming that the failure is in my
setup of org-ref, but I can't seem to find any info on it.
What information can I provide to help track this down? any help
greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Alan
Org mode version 9.0.4 (9.0.4-elpaplus @
/home/alant/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20170124/)
GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of
2016-03-20 on trouble, modified by Debian
Debian Jessie installation.
More information:
I didn't notice before, but hovering over a citation gives this message:
Error running timer `org-ref-link-message': (error #("abl-8 chicago
limit:t does not seem to exist" 0 21 (fontified nil)))
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] HTML Export problem with org-ref
I'm trying to export a large document (about 600 printed a4 pages) to html. It contains a lot of references. The export fails with this message: byte-code: abl-8 chicago limit:t does not seem to exist Because of the "chicago", I am presuming that the failure is in my setup of org-ref, but I can't seem to find any info on it. What information can I provide to help track this down? any help greatly appreciated. Cheers, Alan Org mode version 9.0.4 (9.0.4-elpaplus @ /home/alant/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20170124/) GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2016-03-20 on trouble, modified by Debian Debian Jessie installation. -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] org-ref glitch with 2 bib files
G'day, I have this near the end of my MS: bibliography:refs.bib,tyree.bib org-ref finds the entries from refs.bib, but not tyree.bib. If I reverse the two bib file, it finds the ones from tyree.bib, but not from refs.bib. Org mode version 9.0.4 (9.0.4-elpaplus @ /home/alant/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20170124/) GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2016-03-20 on trouble, modified by Debian System is Linux, Debian Jessie. I'm no expert, so I may well be missing something, so let me know if you need more information or whatever. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] DEADLINE: position in entry
On 10/11/16 05:51, Philip Hudson wrote: On 9 November 2016 at 14:20, Marco Wahl <marcowahls...@gmail.com> wrote: In particular, no blank line is allowed between PLANNING and HEADLINE. I just checked, and was surprised to find that M-x org-lint RET does *not* catch this. Is this a bug in org-lint, or does org-lint not intend to catch this sort of thing? Also, if this really is the case, then the manual needs to be modified. Under 8.1, it says " A timestamp can appear anywhere in the headline or body of an Org tree entry." and under 8.3: "A timestamp may be preceded by special keywords to facilitate planning:" I can't see anywhere that requires the DEADLINE: keyword to be flush against a heading. There may be some reason for requiring this, but if there is no good reason, I would like to see it changed to be more flexible. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] footnote fontify causing massive slowdown
On 05/12/15 23:58, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Hello, Derek Feichtinger <derek.feichtin...@psi.ch> writes: While diagnosing a server condition, I was listing parts of a system log via a babel expression. The 130 lines in the babel output are wrapped in an example block. This block caused massive slowdown of scrolling and other operations. Using the emacs profiler I see: - redisplay_internal (C function) 8232 88% - jit-lock-function 8226 88% - jit-lock-fontify-now 8226 88% - funcall 8226 88% - # 8226 88% - run-hook-with-args 8226 88% - font-lock-fontify-region 8226 88% - font-lock-default-fontify-region 8226 88% - font-lock-fontify-keywords-region 8226 88% - org-activate-footnote-links 8158 87% - org-footnote-next-reference-or-definition 8158 87% - byte-code 8158 87% - org-footnote-at-reference-p 4114 44% - org-footnote-in-valid-context-p 4106 44% + org-inside-LaTeX-fragment-p 2380 25% + org-in-block-p 1563 16% + org-in-verbatim-emphasis 159 1% org-at-comment-p 4 0% Checking for footnote pattern matches (org-footnote-re) in the wrapped block, I see that every line matches based on the very simple and trivial pattern of number enclosed in angular brackets, so all the process numbers following the "sshd" in these lines like "sshd[1234]" do match and cause load. # /var/log/secure-20151129:Nov 23 02:25:36 some-host sshd[20089]: Rhosts authentication refused for userXYZ: bad ownership or modes for home directory. /var/log/secure-20151129:Nov 23 02:25:36 some-host sshd[20089]: Rhosts authentication refused for userXYZ: bad ownership or modes for home directory. /var/log/secure-20151129:Nov 23 02:25:41 some-host sshd[20089]: pam_ldap: error trying to bind as user "x" (Invalid credentials) # Since this kind of pattern is so common in logs and 130 lines are really not a large number, it makes it hard to use org for this purpose. Can this be turned off selectively, or can it be prevented in example blocks? This is a limitation of our current way to fontify a buffer. Changing it implies some serious work, which I'd rather spend on switching to syntax-based (instead of regexp-based) fontification. However, this report raises an interesting question about footnotes: should we still support plain (e.g., "[1]") footnotes in Org documents? The pattern is very common an regularly introduces false positives. Also, IIRC, it was introduced for non-Org buffers (e.g., in Message mode buffers), to provide some common features with "footnote.el" library. I think we could remove this kind of footnotes, and yet preserve `org-footnote-normalize' to change Org footnotes into these ones, for foreign documents. WDYT? Regards, I would be delighted to see the 'plain' footnote format abolished. I use org for writing legal text which often has things like Bank of New South Wales v Laing [1954] AC 135. Rasmus helped me with a patch to ignore these kinds of references, but they remain a nuisance. Special case, I know, but +1 for getting rid of the things. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Organizing and taming hectic Academia work (faculty viewpoint)? Tips or a good guides sought after :)
On 16/06/15 11:49, Bob Newell wrote: Julian Burgos jul...@hafro.is writes: b) I write the manuscript in org-mode. Then I send the org-mode file to my coauthor. Because the org-mode file is just a text file, my coauthor can use Word to edit it. I ask him/her *not* to use track changes and to save the edited version also as a text file. Then, when I receive it I use ediff in emacs to compare both documents and incorporate the edits I want. Simple is best, and I wish I had thought of this simple idea before I took an 87,000 word novel that I wrote in org-mode, output as ODT, converted to DOCX, and then sent to an editor. I got back all the track changes stuff and even worse, margin notes, and punctuation (like quotes and ellipses) changed over to Word-ish characters. It wasn't utterly useless but it created a lot of extra work, which still isn't over. Next time I'll do as per above, tell her to just edit the thing directly, write her notes in-line, and keep it as pure ASCII. I really believe she thinks I was going to use Word to publish the novel. Failure to communicate on my part. I could say lack of judgment on her part but that's unfair; in her world, most everyone uses Word at some stage in the process. I used this method when working with an editor on the last edition of my book on banking law: almost 300,000 words. I had a few special constructs that I asked her not to meddle with, and she put editors notes in-line. It worked a treat although the publisher actually required Word files at the end. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [patch, ox] Unnumbered headlines
Thanks very much for working on this, Rasmus. I'll try to test it out over the next couple of days. It really will make book production much nicer! Cheers, Alan On 21/09/14 02:02, Rasmus wrote: Hi, I'm happy to finally be able to send an updated version of this patch that touches most backends in lisp/, but not the manual. I have been moving over the summer etc. You now specify unnumbered headlines with properties. I think this is better since being unnumbered it's a pretty permanent state. It's pretty hard to discover though, other than by looking at the output. So this works as expected: * Some headline :PROPERTIES: :UNNUMBERED: t :END: There's no :NUMBERED property and :UNNUMBERED is hardcoded. I introduce a new function `org-export-get-headline-id` which returns the first non-nil from the following list. There's a caveat: CUSTOM_ID is ensured to be unique! Did I open the famous can of worm? 1. The CUSTOM_ID property. 2. A relative level number if the headline is numbered. 3. The ID property 4. A new generated unique ID. Anyhow, `org-export-get-headline-id' ensures that we can refer to unnumbered headlines, which was not possible before. Of course, in LaTeX such ref to a \section* will be nonsense, so we could introduce a \pageref here. I'm unsure about whether this conflicts `org-latex-custom-id-as-label' which I had never seen until today (also notes on this in patch). I have updated backends in lisp/, but I'm at most(!) an expert on LaTeX. However, I have tested all backends to the best of my ability. Please feel free to test and let me know about any discrepancies! Cheers, Rasmus PS: Not knowing or caring much about md, the links generated by it to headlines seem wrong. Referring to headline 1 it only prints 1. Should it be something like [LABEL](1)? -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Help with org-lookup-all
On 03/09/14 15:04, Nick Dokos wrote: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: I feel so dumb! I have this expession attached to a table: (org-lookup-all $1 '(remote(payments,@2$4..@$4)) '(remote(payments,@2$2..@$2))) It is returning the right list of numbers since I can examine them with (nth n How do I add the list up? I keep getting #ERROR or obviously wrong answers. What I want is something like $2='(apply '+ (org-lookup-all $1 '(remote(payments,@2$4..@$4)) '(remote(payments,@2$2..@$2 but that gives me errors since (I presume) the list is a bunch of strings. If they *are* a bunch of strings, then mapping string-to-number across the list should do the trick: $2='(apply '+ (mapcar (function string-to-number) (org-lookup-all $1 '(remote(payments,@2$4..@$4)) '(remote(payments,@2$2..@$2) That worked a treat - thanks Nick. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] Help with org-lookup-all
I feel so dumb! I have this expession attached to a table: (org-lookup-all $1 '(remote(payments,@2$4..@$4)) '(remote(payments,@2$2..@$2))) It is returning the right list of numbers since I can examine them with (nth n How do I add the list up? I keep getting #ERROR or obviously wrong answers. What I want is something like $2='(apply '+ (org-lookup-all $1 '(remote(payments,@2$4..@$4)) '(remote(payments,@2$2..@$2 but that gives me errors since (I presume) the list is a bunch of strings. Thanks for any help, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [patch, ox] Unnumbered headlines
On 08/08/14 23:39, Rasmus wrote: Hi, In a recent thread¹ Tom and Alan mention that authors sometimes need unnumbered headlines, e.g. for prefaces. This patch (tries to) add this feature via the tag :nonumber: (customizable via Custom or in-file). I make two assumptions. First, the tag is recursive, so if the parent is not numbered the child is not numbered. Secondly, I depart from the LaTeX tradition of ignoring unnumbered headlines in the TOC (except in the case of ox-latex.el where it depends on org-latex-classes). (See example below). Needless to say such a feature needs to be discussed and I not sure whether the greater Org community finds it useful or needless clutter. In my opinion a :nonumber: tag is a natural continuation of :export: and :noexport: and unlike :ignoreheading: the implementation is fairly clean (or maybe I'm cheating myself here). A reason for why to include it is that it seems relatively easy to do *during* export, but it's hard to consistently get it right on in both headlines and the TOC via filters. The patch is messing with ox.el, and thus I would appreciate a review and potentially testing, in the case that it is agreed that such a feature would be OK to add to ox. It seems to work well with ox-latex.el, ox-ascii.el and ox-html.el. It doesn't play well with ox-odt.el (headlines are still numbered). I will fix this as well as adding documentation if a consensus of the worthwhileness of the patch can be reached. Finally, here's an example output using ox-ascii #+begin_src org * a (not numbered) :nonum: ** aa (not numbert) * b (1) ** ba (not numbered) :nonum: *** baa (not numbered) ** bb (1.1) #+end_src #+RESULTS: (TOC only, but the rest is as expected) a (not numbered) .. aa (not numbert) 1 b (1) .. ba (not numbered) . baa (not numbered) .. 1.1 bb (1.1) Thanks, Rasmus Footnotes: ¹ http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/89515 -- Vote for proprietary math! Rasmus, you're my hero! Regarding the two assumptions: - Recursive tags: I think this is correct. I don't think it matters too much for my use case since things like the Preface will ordinarily be top level headlines and unlikely to have children. If there are child headlines, then I don't see why numbering would be required. - Table of contents: I'm sure this is correct. I always ended up adding to the TOC when using LaTeX anyway. The frontmatter of a book has two distinct types of pages: - title pages, copyright pages and so forth. If these pages are headlined at all, then the :ignore: tag and Eric's filter takes care of them; - things like the Preface, Forward and (in my case) Table of Statutes and Table of cases. This type wants to be referenced in the TOC but they definitely do not want to be sequentially numbered as chapters. The Wikipedia entry on Book Design lists 12 types of frontmatter pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_design. It's easy to see which ones fit into which category. I think this facility will *greatly* enhance org-mode for book authors/publishers. It will certainly make the conversion to ePub go more smoothly. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [patch, ox] Unnumbered headlines - early test
I have a book length MS that I tested the patch on. * Copyright page :nonumber: * Preface:nonumber: * Law relating to sale of goods ... etc Export looked good and as expected, that is, no numbers on the first two headlines and the third headline numbered 1. as it should be. Table of contents was as expected. LaTeX and ascii exports also looked great. However, running tidy -m sog.html on the resulting file threw up the following warnings: line 222 column 1 - Warning: div anchor outline-container-sec- already defined line 223 column 1 - Warning: h2 anchor sec- already defined line 224 column 1 - Warning: div anchor text- already defined Info: Doctype given is -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN Info: Document content looks like XHTML 1.0 Strict 3 warnings, 0 errors were found! Line 222, 223 and 224 relate to the Preface heading. The offending items were, of course, copies of the corresponding items in Copyright page. To avoid these, I think you need to give unique id and sec markers to the unnumbered headlines. It matters because the resulting ePub will not validate unless the html passes the tidy test. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Org equivalent to \chapter*
On 07/08/14 20:05, Rasmus wrote:
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
On 07/08/14 05:52, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
Aloha Rasmus,
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes:
Thomas,
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes:
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find it. Is
there an org markup that produces a starred latex heading?
In a book, for example, I want the Preface to be at chapter level, but
not included in the numbering. Same for HTML export, of course.
You would probably need some sort of filter for this. Most certainly
you will be able to find implementations on this list.
Here's something from my init file that works with LaTeX. Other
formats such as txt and html are harder since Org generates section
numbers and the TOC.
Thanks for sharing this. It will be useful for book authors.
Do you think it is possible to write a general headline filter that
takes care of all the various LaTeX possibilities?
I don't like *one* filter to rule them all. Of course, if it's a
collection of other function calls that is OK. As your recent
question showed execution order may matter,
(e.g. with :ignoreheading:clearpage:).
Of course it's possible to bundle a couple of filters generally useful
for ox-latex and provide a consistent interface. Alternatively, one
could make a ox-latex+.el that provides a derived class with extra
options. That's may be more work, and may be harder to hack.
In fact Aaron started ox-extra.el, with the intention of providing
semi-official extensions but Worg may be a better means of
communication.
Right now Iʻm using tags to ignoreheading, clearpage, and newpage.
In addition to your nonum filter, Eric S. has a filter that gets rid
of a heading and promotes the content, which I havenʻt had occasion
to use, but also has its own tag.
Yes, Eric has cool tree-based filter(s). I want to study them more
carefully. Quite possibly, it's easier to provide elegant filters
with trees. For instance, you have direct access to the element
representation. In my filters I hack my way to this using
text-properties.
From the LaTeX authorʻs point of view, it would be great to have a set
of tags (and options) that just work.
Would you want this as a derived class or filters? Perhaps it's
easier to have a derived class with an alternative headline
function. . .
Do you (and others) think the tag and filter approach can achieve
this? Or, are there too many moving parts to make it feasible?
Yes.
The ox-koma-script interface is basically controlled via tags. I
think it's nice.
Thanks for this useful overview and the pointers to good examples.
Iʻve been slowly building a set of filters and links that work for me,
but each new project differs a bit from the previous one and I have to
fiddle with the Org mode setup. Iʻm eager to get to the place Iʻm at
with LaTeX, where I just jump in and start writing.
Thanks again for your help.
All the best,
Tom
Thanks to everyone who responded.
Several of my books are out of print and I am converting them to ePub
and to printed form. ePub is pretty smooth by exporting to HTML and
then using Calibre. LaTeX is the obvious choice for print.
Have you seen this project:
https://github.com/rzoller/tex2ebook
I haven't tried it myself, but the process seems similar to what you
are doing only that it uses hevea to convert from tex to html.
—Rasmus
--
Lasciate ogni speranza o voi che entrate: siete nella mani di'machellaio
Thanks, Rasmus. I'll have a look at this and report back. Org - tex -
HTML would at least solve the unnumbered heading problem (with the use
of your filter).
As an additional aside, note that Pandoc Markdown permits the use of a
tag to produce an unnumbered heading when exporting to HTML and LaTeX.
# Heading {.unnumbered}
I'm a very inexperienced lisp coder, but it seems to me that this should
be incorporated into the basic exporters. The HTML exporter, for
example, adds the numbering to each heading. In the loop that
accomplishes that, it should be easy to ignore headings with a tag such
as your :nonum:. Otherwise, it is necessary to write a filter that not
only undoes the numbering for selected headlines, but essentially
reproduces the numbering algorithms originally introduced in ox-html.
Cheers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Org equivalent to \chapter*
On 07/08/14 05:52, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
Aloha Rasmus,
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes:
Thomas,
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes:
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes:
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find it. Is
there an org markup that produces a starred latex heading?
In a book, for example, I want the Preface to be at chapter level, but
not included in the numbering. Same for HTML export, of course.
You would probably need some sort of filter for this. Most certainly
you will be able to find implementations on this list.
Here's something from my init file that works with LaTeX. Other
formats such as txt and html are harder since Org generates section
numbers and the TOC.
Thanks for sharing this. It will be useful for book authors.
Do you think it is possible to write a general headline filter that
takes care of all the various LaTeX possibilities?
I don't like *one* filter to rule them all. Of course, if it's a
collection of other function calls that is OK. As your recent
question showed execution order may matter,
(e.g. with :ignoreheading:clearpage:).
Of course it's possible to bundle a couple of filters generally useful
for ox-latex and provide a consistent interface. Alternatively, one
could make a ox-latex+.el that provides a derived class with extra
options. That's may be more work, and may be harder to hack.
In fact Aaron started ox-extra.el, with the intention of providing
semi-official extensions but Worg may be a better means of
communication.
Right now Iʻm using tags to ignoreheading, clearpage, and newpage.
In addition to your nonum filter, Eric S. has a filter that gets rid
of a heading and promotes the content, which I havenʻt had occasion
to use, but also has its own tag.
Yes, Eric has cool tree-based filter(s). I want to study them more
carefully. Quite possibly, it's easier to provide elegant filters
with trees. For instance, you have direct access to the element
representation. In my filters I hack my way to this using
text-properties.
From the LaTeX authorʻs point of view, it would be great to have a set
of tags (and options) that just work.
Would you want this as a derived class or filters? Perhaps it's
easier to have a derived class with an alternative headline
function. . .
Do you (and others) think the tag and filter approach can achieve
this? Or, are there too many moving parts to make it feasible?
Yes.
The ox-koma-script interface is basically controlled via tags. I
think it's nice.
Thanks for this useful overview and the pointers to good examples.
Iʻve been slowly building a set of filters and links that work for me,
but each new project differs a bit from the previous one and I have to
fiddle with the Org mode setup. Iʻm eager to get to the place Iʻm at
with LaTeX, where I just jump in and start writing.
Thanks again for your help.
All the best,
Tom
Thanks to everyone who responded.
Several of my books are out of print and I am converting them to ePub
and to printed form. ePub is pretty smooth by exporting to HTML and then
using Calibre. LaTeX is the obvious choice for print.
It would be nice to have a single tag that gives the \section*{}
equivalent for all exports, but I can see that there is some difficulty
with that. Thanks Rasmus for the LaTeX filter -- I'll have a look at
adapting it for the HTML.
As Thomas mentioned, having selectively unnumbered sections is pretty
important for book authors.
Thanks again,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] Org equivalent to \chapter*
I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find it. Is there an org markup that produces a starred latex heading? In a book, for example, I want the Preface to be at chapter level, but not included in the numbering. Same for HTML export, of course. Thanks for any pointers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] /some 'text'/
I have the following expression in my manuscript: /Caltex Oil (Aust) Pty Ltd v The Dredge 'Willemstad'/ [1976] HCA 65 I want the /.../ part to be italicised on export, but (of course) it isn't. The variable org-emphasis-regexp-components was customizable before 8.0. Is there some workaround to get my desired results? I suppose writing some filters is one way. Anything simpler? Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] LaTex export questions
On 28/05/14 07:42, Nick Dokos wrote: Igor Sosa Mayor joseleopoldo1...@gmail.com writes: Steven Arntson ste...@stevenarntson.com writes: Hi, I'm trying to export an org-mode doc to LaTex and subsequently to PDF. This is a literary novel, written in prose. Right now when I run the export command, the resulting file is incorrectly formatted for the literary world, and I'm not sure how to change it. Is there a dialog or customize menu that allows users to eliminate some default settings, and add others? Maybe you can configure it with M-x customize-group org But I think a look at the manual is pretty useful and you can configure it in your .emacs without very much complication: http://orgmode.org/manual/Export-settings.html#Export-settings http://orgmode.org/manual/LaTeX-and-PDF-export.html#LaTeX-and-PDF-export I may be barking up the wrong tree, but to me the problem seems to be not so much what org does, but what latex does. If that is so, then perhaps what is needed is a latex style file that formats prose correctly for the literary world. That may be a non-trivial undertaking (but maybe not: typographical demands for a novel are trivial compared to say mathematics). Integrating such a hypothetical style file into org would be pretty easy. But perhaps the OP can clarify: what does incorrectly formatted for the literary world mean? Nick I think this is right. Try #+LATEX_CLASS: book and then modify the defaults in org-export-latex-classes by deleting the \part as the first item in the Levels of the 'book' entry. This will make all your top level headings 'Chapters' which is probably what you want for a novel. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Pandoc users, how do you use it with org-mode, and why?
I'm using org-mode for a lengthy book. My editor has graciously agreed to edit the raw ord-mode files, thus eliminating yet another source of re-introduced errors. However, the publisher asks her to format in Word, so after all the editing is done, I need to convert to Word. Pandoc seems a good choice: org - latex - docx: the first step normal org export, the second step Pandoc. It is good EXCEPT my book contains many, many cross references. In docx they come out looking like: see [sec-3-4-2] when I want them to look like see 3.4.2. I'm still on a steep part of the learning curve, so don't know if Pandoc can be tweaked to fix this. I have also tried oolatex which is a part of the tex4ht suite. It does the right thing on cross references, but has some other minor problems. I have also used Pandoc to convert a friends Markdown to ePub. Slick and nice. Cheers, Alan On 22/05/14 04:01, Grant Rettke wrote: Hi, Lately been hearing great things about Pandoc's ability to export to ebook formats and more. Folks that use both Pandoc and org-mode: how do you use them together, and why? Kind regards, Grant Rettke | AAAS, ACM, ASA, FSF, IEEE, SIAM, Sigma Xi g...@wisdomandwonder.com mailto:g...@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ “Wisdom begins in wonder.” --Socrates ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.” --Thompson -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] LaTeX cross references
On 17/05/14 11:30, Alan L Tyree wrote:
On 17/05/14 11:26, Aaron Ecay wrote:
Hi Alan,
2014ko maiatzak 16an, Alan L Tyree-ek idatzi zuen:
G'day,
My org manuscript has cross references like this: see
[[id:4c473c51-b484-4a29-8fe7-118d8084a6f8][Limitations Acts]]
Exporting to LaTeX currently gives me: see
\hyperref[sec-4-3]{Limitations Acts}
What I would like is: \ref{sec-4-3} since I am trying to end up with a
Word file for an editor that will be (ultimately) a printed book.
I'm sure this is a simple variable somewhere, but I'm frustrated trying
to find it.
I think you have two choices. The first is to remove the description
from the link, leaving just:
[[id:4c473c51-b484-4a29-8fe7-118d8084a6f8]]
Sadly, this is not very informative to look at.
The other is to use an export filter like the following to convert the
exporter’s output to the desired format:
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(defun awe-org-latex-filter-section-links (string backend plist)
(if (and (org-export-derived-backend-p backend 'latex)
(string-match hyperref\\[\\(sec-.*?\\)\\] string))
(let ((end-space (if (string-match-p \\' string) )))
(concat (format \\ref{%s} (match-string 1 string))
end-space))
string))
(add-to-list 'org-export-filter-link-functions
#'awe-org-latex-filter-section-links)
#+END_SRC
Hope this helps,
Hi Aaron,
I'm adding the reply to the list.
It helps immensely. I'll give the filter a try later this weekend.
Thanks for your help!
Alan
I'm having some trouble with this: when I try to evaluate the
(add-to-list ..., I get a message:
Symbol's value as variable is void: org-export-filter-link-functions
Emacs: 24.3.1
Org-mode version 8.2.6 (release_8.2.6-958-g7c8559 @
/home/alant/.emacs.d/org-mode/lisp/)
Any help appreciated.
Cheers,
Alan
--
Aaron Ecay
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] LaTeX cross references
On 18/05/14 08:24, Alan L Tyree wrote:
On 17/05/14 11:30, Alan L Tyree wrote:
On 17/05/14 11:26, Aaron Ecay wrote:
Hi Alan,
2014ko maiatzak 16an, Alan L Tyree-ek idatzi zuen:
G'day,
My org manuscript has cross references like this: see
[[id:4c473c51-b484-4a29-8fe7-118d8084a6f8][Limitations Acts]]
Exporting to LaTeX currently gives me: see
\hyperref[sec-4-3]{Limitations Acts}
What I would like is: \ref{sec-4-3} since I am trying to end up with a
Word file for an editor that will be (ultimately) a printed book.
I'm sure this is a simple variable somewhere, but I'm frustrated
trying
to find it.
I think you have two choices. The first is to remove the description
from the link, leaving just:
[[id:4c473c51-b484-4a29-8fe7-118d8084a6f8]]
Sadly, this is not very informative to look at.
The other is to use an export filter like the following to convert the
exporter’s output to the desired format:
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(defun awe-org-latex-filter-section-links (string backend plist)
(if (and (org-export-derived-backend-p backend 'latex)
(string-match hyperref\\[\\(sec-.*?\\)\\]
string))
(let ((end-space (if (string-match-p \\' string)
)))
(concat (format \\ref{%s} (match-string 1 string))
end-space))
string))
(add-to-list 'org-export-filter-link-functions
#'awe-org-latex-filter-section-links)
#+END_SRC
Hope this helps,
Hi Aaron,
I'm adding the reply to the list.
It helps immensely. I'll give the filter a try later this weekend.
Thanks for your help!
Alan
I'm having some trouble with this: when I try to evaluate the
(add-to-list ..., I get a message:
Symbol's value as variable is void: org-export-filter-link-functions
Emacs: 24.3.1
Org-mode version 8.2.6 (release_8.2.6-958-g7c8559 @
/home/alant/.emacs.d/org-mode/lisp/)
Any help appreciated.
Forget this - I didn't have proper files loaded. Sorry for the noise,
and many thanks toyou Aaron since it works a treat.
Alan
Cheers,
Alan
--
Aaron Ecay
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] LaTeX cross references
G'day,
My org manuscript has cross references like this: see
[[id:4c473c51-b484-4a29-8fe7-118d8084a6f8][Limitations Acts]]
Exporting to LaTeX currently gives me: see
\hyperref[sec-4-3]{Limitations Acts}
What I would like is: \ref{sec-4-3} since I am trying to end up with a
Word file for an editor that will be (ultimately) a printed book.
I'm sure this is a simple variable somewhere, but I'm frustrated trying
to find it.
Any help appreciated.
Cheers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] LaTeX cross references
On 17/05/14 11:26, Aaron Ecay wrote:
Hi Alan,
2014ko maiatzak 16an, Alan L Tyree-ek idatzi zuen:
G'day,
My org manuscript has cross references like this: see
[[id:4c473c51-b484-4a29-8fe7-118d8084a6f8][Limitations Acts]]
Exporting to LaTeX currently gives me: see
\hyperref[sec-4-3]{Limitations Acts}
What I would like is: \ref{sec-4-3} since I am trying to end up with a
Word file for an editor that will be (ultimately) a printed book.
I'm sure this is a simple variable somewhere, but I'm frustrated trying
to find it.
I think you have two choices. The first is to remove the description
from the link, leaving just:
[[id:4c473c51-b484-4a29-8fe7-118d8084a6f8]]
Sadly, this is not very informative to look at.
The other is to use an export filter like the following to convert the
exporter’s output to the desired format:
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(defun awe-org-latex-filter-section-links (string backend plist)
(if (and (org-export-derived-backend-p backend 'latex)
(string-match hyperref\\[\\(sec-.*?\\)\\] string))
(let ((end-space (if (string-match-p \\' string) )))
(concat (format \\ref{%s} (match-string 1 string))
end-space))
string))
(add-to-list 'org-export-filter-link-functions
#'awe-org-latex-filter-section-links)
#+END_SRC
Hope this helps,
Hi Aaron,
I'm adding the reply to the list.
It helps immensely. I'll give the filter a try later this weekend.
Thanks for your help!
Alan
--
Aaron Ecay
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] using org-refile to sort research notes?
Hi Jay, C-c [ and C-c ] adds and removes the current file from the agenda list. I can never remember these, so I leave the menus turned on in emacs (makes me a wimp!). BUT: do you really need to do this? It is the way I used to work, but my current book is 600+ pages and I am keeping it and all my research in a single file. By using the 'hoist' C-x n s for a subtree, writing is focussed and yet everything is where I need it. Maybe it won't work for you but I find it very convenient. Cheers, Alan On 28/04/14 08:25, Jay Dixit wrote: Hello friendly org-mode community, I'm using org-mode to research and write a nonfiction book. I have a large amount of notes and quotes that I now need to sort into separate files. I am creating separate org files, one for each chapter of my book—chapter-1.org http://chapter-1.org, chapter-2.org http://chapter-2.org, etc.—with org headings in each one for every topic/subsection. I now want to categorize my notes, moving them from where they are—i.e. in a set of long, unorganized org files with names like new-research.org http://new-research.org and more-research-and-notes.org http://more-research-and-notes.org—into the the chapter files. 1. Am I right in thinking that org-refile is the most efficient way to do this? 2. What's the best way to do this? Should I add all of my chapter.org http://chapter.org files to the agenda using org-agenda-file-to-front? I ask because these are not TODO headings, just headings with notes and quotes, so I'm not sure if using org-agenda functionality is appropriate. 3. I am also learning to use org-agenda, so I do have a work.org http://work.org file that has my TODO tasks in it. Is there a way to temporarily remove my work.org http://work.org TODO headings from the refile targets for when I'm sorting my book notes? Or is there a way to have different projects with separate sets of refile targets, one set of agenda files with refile targets for when I'm refiling TODO tasks, another set of agenda files for when I'm refiling book notes? Thanks in advance for any advice. Best, Jay --- Jay Dixit jaydixit.com http://jaydixit.com (646) 355-8001 Facebook http://facebook.com/jaydixit Twitter https://twitter.com/jaydixit The New York Writers’ Intensive http://www.newyorkwritersintensive.com Jay Dixit ᐧ -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [RFC] Move ox-koma-letter into core?
On 21/02/14 00:29, Rasmus wrote: Viktor Rosenfeld listuse...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, Am 17.02.14 22:56, schrieb Thomas S. Dye: FWIW, as a small businessman, the indemnification clause looks fairly standard to me. The contracts for archaeological services that we routinely sign typically have a clause like this, usually coupled with a request for a certificate of insurance that specifies the levels of liability insurance that the business carries. As I read the clause, FSF is in the position of accepting 1) a code contribution from a developer, and 2) the developer's assurance that the contributed code can't be claimed as property by a third party. It seems prudent that, in the event of a successful property claim by a third party to a piece of code contributed by a developer, the developer who gave the false assurance should be held responsible. Otherwise, FSF might be brought down by copyleft opponents who knowingly contribute code to which others have property rights in order to create a basis for lawsuits. Thanks for your reply. I was hoping to get some feedback on how other Orgmode contributors see this issue (although this list is obviously self-selective). The problem I have is that I'm not a lawyer or a businessman and not a native English speaker. I do know enough though not to lightly sign documents I don't fully understand. Perhaps FSFE would be able to shed some light on the issue (EU-based). Or Software Freedom Conservancy (US-based). I don't have further insights. —Rasmus FWIW, most book publishing contracts that I have seen have something similar. An example: The Authors warrant to the Publishers that the Work will in no way whatever violate any existing Copyright (except as notified under Clause 7(b)), and that it will contain nothing of a libellous or scandalous character. The Authors shall indemnify the Publishers against any claims, actions, loss or damage including costs and expenses incurred by the Publishers as a result of any breach of the present warranty. I imagine that quite a few members of this list have signed something similar. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] Narrowing vs indirect buffer
Two separate commands serve much the same purpose from the author's point of view: - C-c C-x b (org-tree-to-indirect-buffer) opens an indirect buffer for the subtree - C-x n s (org-narrow-to-subtree) narrows the existing buffer to the subtree Both of these hoist the subtree outline to focus the workspace and are invaluable for large writing projects. Is there any preference (so far as org is concerned)? Are there any gotchas that I should note? Thanks for any comments, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Narrowing vs indirect buffer
Bastien writes: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Is there any preference (so far as org is concerned)? Are there any gotchas that I should note? Just a personal preference: I use narrowing because I don't like multiplying buffers. Thanks Bastien. I like narrowing a lot better but only just discovered it. It is a terrific facility. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Link error to latest stable version
I just attempted to download the latest stable version from orgmode.org: Stable version *8.2.5e* (Jan. 2014) The tar.gz link gave me a 404 error. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Org Table Export to Markdown Table Question
On 11/01/14 09:26, Aric wrote: Alan L Tyree alantyree at gmail.com writes: Org is so nice to use for authoring that I can't give it away. I have a book manuscript due in May and currently all my citations are using the [[cite: key]] format with ox-bibtex. It is far from satisfactory and I'm sure that May will see me tearing my hair out (what little is left). Yes, I hear you. I am trying to avoid this by using the [@nameYear] style for markdown hoping that a final export to markdown for bibliography will not go horribly wrong. But that is probably not a fair assumption. Aric Another approach: In the past I have used tex4ht to process a LaTeX book. At least on Linux, there is a script 'oolatex' that does a pretty good job. I'm using Debian and, for some reason, oolatex is not in the execution path but is located at /usr/share/tex4ht/oolatex. I had a LaTeX book length manuscript (about 700 pages) that converted reasonably well, but I haven't tried the Org - LaTeX - LibreOffice procedure yet. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Org Table Export to Markdown Table Question
On 10/01/14 07:30, Aric Gregson wrote: --On January 9, 2014 11:58:37 AM -0500 Rick Frankel r...@rickster.com wrote: I'm not sure why you are using markdown as an intermediate file format. Org will export to latex, pdf (via latex) and openoffice odt (which can be exported from open/libre office to doc/docx.). I had originally tried because of problems with the odt exporter, which appears to have been fixed with the recent release, as noted previously. Markdown is still extremely useful for formatting references/bibliographies with bibtex and csl. Latex is not as useful because it is nearly impossible to share latex files with those using Word and most journals in my field do not accept latex files. I am in the same fix -- writing in Org but needing to submit most things in Word. Damned annoying. It really would be nice to see Org get the references/bibliography problem fixed up properly. The Pandoc version of Markdown does it well. As you note, bibtex and csl is a killer combination. Org is so nice to use for authoring that I can't give it away. I have a book manuscript due in May and currently all my citations are using the [[cite: key]] format with ox-bibtex. It is far from satisfactory and I'm sure that May will see me tearing my hair out (what little is left). Cheers, Alan Thanks, Aric -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Export each top level heading to separate file
Ista Zahn writes: On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/01/14 09:45, Charles Millar wrote: Ista and all, On 1/4/2014 5:29 PM, Ista Zahn wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a way to export each top-level heading to a separate markdown file. Ideally I would like to have the exported files named according to the heading. For example I would like this org file --- * Section one Section one text * Section two ** Section two a Section two text * Section three Section three text --- To generate three files: --- Section one.md --- Section one text --- --- Section two.md--- ## Section two a Section two text --- --- Section three.md - # Section three Section three text --- I suspect that the publishing framework might support this, but I've thus far avoided it because it looks pretty complicated to set up. Before I dive in I'd like to know if the publishing framework is the correct place to look for this functionality or if there is an easier way to do it. I have a similar question regarding LaTeX export. How to export a heading (any heading, regardless of level) within a file to heading.tex instead of file.tex? So far the only solution I have cobbled together is to C-x C-f 'file.tex and then C-x C-w heading.tex . I then typeset heading.tex using TeXworks. Perhaps I should note that my exported heading is tagged so that the heading is ignored. Charlie Millar --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Use properties to set the export file name -- example: :PROPERTIES: :EXPORT_TITLE: Internet banking fraud :EXPORT_FILE_NAME: internet-fraud :EXPORT_AUTHOR: Alan L Tyree :Citation: (2011) 22 JBFLP 214 :EXPORT_OPTIONS: num:nil toc:nil :END: Thanks, gets me half the way there. Setting properties as you described and exporting each sub-tree works properly. Now how can I do this for all the top-level headings in a file? Sorry, that's beyond my pay grade :-). I would also be interested in knowing the answer. Cheers, Alan Best, Ista If I understood your question properly. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] publishuing in html5
On 15/12/13 06:40, Nick Dokos wrote: Catonano caton...@gmail.com writes: 2013/12/11 Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com Scott Randby sran...@gmail.com writes: I already have the following in my file: #+HTML_DOCTYPE: html5 You need to upgrade Org then. I have Org 8.2.4 and it doesn't work anyway What OS? What version of emacs? Are you sure you are not picking up the org-mode bits that are bundled with emacs? The following file (which I posted before) --8---cut here---start-8--- #+HTML_DOCTYPE: html5 #+OPTIONS: html5-fancy:t #+BEGIN_ASIDE Lorem Ipsum #+END_ASIDE --8---cut here---end---8--- produces the following body for me: , | body | div id=content | h1 class=titlehtml5/h1 | aside | p | Lorem Ipsum | /p | /aside | /div | div id=postamble class=status | p class=authorAuthor: Nick Dokos/p | p class=dateCreated: 2013-12-14 Sat 14:30/p | p class=creatora href=http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/;Emacs/a 24.3.50.2 (a href=http://orgmode.org;Org/a mode 8.2.3c)/p | p class=validationa href=http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer;Validate/a/p | /div | /body ` Not sure why it says 8.2.3c - I'm running: Org-mode version 8.2.4 (release_8.2.4-340-g059dc0 @ /home/nick/elisp/org-mode/lisp/) GNU Emacs 24.3.50.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2013-07-14 on pierrot Linux pierrot 3.8.0-29-generic #42~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 14 16:19:23 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux FWIW, I get a body similar to yours but with the correct org mode version in creator: GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2013-07-17 on windy Org-mode version 8.2.4 (8.2.4-dist @ /home/alant/.emacs.d/org-mode/lisp/) Linux windy 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Org menu change
Christian Moe writes: Alan L Tyree writes: In the Emacs menu Org - Customize - Expand this menu used to give a complete menu of org-mode customisations which was quite helpful for an amateur. Now it gives a short menu that does little more than send the user to the usual Emacs customisation system. I haven't used this feature before, and get different behaviors on OSX (where I have mu4e) and Linux (where I don't at the moment), so I'm not sure what you expect to see. On Mint 15, clicking Expand this menu places a Customize item in the Customize sub-menu, and hovering over this item opens a sub-sub-menu of Org customizations. Yes, this is what I expect to see and what I think is the intended operation of the menus. On Mac OSX, it also places a Customize item in the sub-menu; no sub-sub-menu appears, however, but clicking the item takes me to a *Customize Group: Org* buffer. This is what I thought was the aberrant behaviour. The error is being caused by my mu4e setup. It begins: (require 'mu4e) (require 'org-mu4e) ;; sets up links to email (require 'org-contacts) Eliminating the second two requires cures the problem and the 'Expand this menu works as it should. I don't require org-contacts. Requiring or not requiring org-mu4e doesn't seem to make a difference on my Mac setup, I get the above behavior regardless. My mu4e and emacs 24 setup is a little unusual, so I don't know if this is a general problem. I would like to hear from anyone using mu4e. Sorry I couldn't be less ambiguous... Ok - it's very interesting since it seems like it is some interaction with mu4e that causes the different behaviour. My emacs and mu4e are both self compiled and then installed (Debian Wheezy) using Gnu Stow. If I use *either* of (require 'org-mu4e) or (require 'org-contacts) then the sub-sub menu disappears. I guess it's not really a major problem, but I do find that huge options menu to be useful. Cheers, Alan Yours, Christian -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Org menu change
Nick Dokos writes: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: In the Emacs menu Org - Customize - Expand this menu used to give a complete menu of org-mode customisations which was quite helpful for an amateur. Now it gives a short menu that does little more than send the user to the usual Emacs customisation system. SNIP The error is being caused by my mu4e setup. It begins: (require 'mu4e) (require 'org-mu4e) ;; sets up links to email (require 'org-contacts) Eliminating the second two requires cures the problem and the 'Expand this menu works as it should. My mu4e and emacs 24 setup is a little unusual, so I don't know if this is a general problem. I would like to hear from anyone using mu4e. Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Org menu change
On 24/11/13 15:40, Nick Dokos wrote: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: In the Emacs menu Org - Customize - Expand this menu used to give a complete menu of org-mode customisations which was quite helpful for an amateur. Now it gives a short menu that does little more than send the user to the usual Emacs customisation system. Is this intentional or a bug? Not sure how it worked before, but when I click on Expand, I get a short submenu that includes a Customize sub-submenu that when clicked opens up a whole list (about 40 items) of customizations and customization groups (with corresponding submenus). Is that not what you get? Hmmm. It is what I used to get. And what I still get on my desktop machine. I must have messed up the laptop somehow. Sorry for the noise. Cheers, Alan Org-mode version 8.2.3c (release_8.2.3c-288-g8c9887 @ /home/alant/.emacs.d/org-mode/lisp/) GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2013-07-14 on breezy Just upgraded, so I'm using this version of org too. -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] managing articles in my personal library, and their citational material, using org mode instead of bibtex
On 20/11/13 17:27, Jambunathan K wrote:
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
What I mean is to enter something like \cite{mann82} in the text and
have it spit out (Mann 1982) in each and every export as well as
constructing an entry for the bibliography.
(For benefit of others)
ox-jabref.el and JabRef can spit things out in different formats. I
I have added support for the odt backend. But I have fleshed out the
basic details so that it could be re-targeted for HTML or Plain Ascii
export.
Often the problem is that the author is stuck with a given DB and tool
and is unwilling to let go of investments that he has made in that
specific tool. (This is perfectly understandable.)
Hi Jambu,
This is a bit cryptic. It seems to me that it is relatively easy to
change DB and tools. I currently keep all my references in a bibtex DB,
but there are plenty of conversion tools. The real problem is finding
something that works.
I still find Org mode a bit frustrating in this context. In the above
quote I say something like \cite, but I don't really care what the
entry looks like as long as it can retrieve information from a DB and
construct the correct text reference and the correct bibliography entry
across all exports.
Is there such a DB and tool?
Cheers,
Alan
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Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] managing articles in my personal library, and their citational material, using org mode instead of bibtex
On 22/11/13 15:04, Eric Schulte wrote:
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
On 20/11/13 17:27, Jambunathan K wrote:
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
What I mean is to enter something like \cite{mann82} in the text and
have it spit out (Mann 1982) in each and every export as well as
constructing an entry for the bibliography.
(For benefit of others)
ox-jabref.el and JabRef can spit things out in different formats. I
I have added support for the odt backend. But I have fleshed out the
basic details so that it could be re-targeted for HTML or Plain Ascii
export.
Often the problem is that the author is stuck with a given DB and tool
and is unwilling to let go of investments that he has made in that
specific tool. (This is perfectly understandable.)
Hi Jambu,
This is a bit cryptic. It seems to me that it is relatively easy to
change DB and tools. I currently keep all my references in a bibtex
DB, but there are plenty of conversion tools. The real problem is
finding something that works.
I still find Org mode a bit frustrating in this context. In the above
quote I say something like \cite, but I don't really care what the
entry looks like as long as it can retrieve information from a DB and
construct the correct text reference and the correct bibliography
entry across all exports.
Is there such a DB and tool?
Cheers,
Alan
Checkout ox-bibtex.el in contrib used in combination with either ebib or
org-bibtex-extras.el.
Thanks Eric - I'll have a look.
Cheers,
Alan
Best,
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] managing articles in my personal library, and their citational material, using org mode instead of bibtex
On 20/11/13 03:25, Eric Schulte wrote: Ian Barton li...@wilkesley.net writes: On 19/11/13 01:40, Christopher W. Ryan wrote: Not sure citational is even a word, but hopefully it conveys my meaning! I've been using LaTeX for academic writing and reading for quite some time, with emacs as my editor. I'm pretty familiar with managing a .bib file containing all the references I've collected, and using it in LaTeX \cite commands. I've come to org-mode more recently. I'm trying to imagine how I might use it to manage my personal library. I have a directory full of pdf files, each a downloaded article. Some articles I reference in papers I write; others I just read and want to keep. I also have a .bib file where I put the citational material for all those articles. Whenever I download an article, I add its entry to my .bib file. I tend to manage this with JabRef because it searches Medline so easily, but I also will edit the .bib file directly when necessary. I like the idea of an org file containing the citational information (authors, title, journal, etc) *plus* links to the pdfs on my hard drive, or on the internet. I could also include my notes about the articles. But what would that org file look like? How do I insert a reference to an article into the org file which contains the article I am writing? I'd be grateful for any explanations, or links to tutorials. Can't help with managing the citations in org, as the last time I had to do this I was using a card index file:) However, to address your other questions one way of doing this would be to create an org file with a heading for each article: * Article 1. Here are some notes. * Article 2 My notes I've been using such an org file for most of grad school and I couldn't be happier with the results. I have a single reading.org file with one top-level entry for each article I read. Currently at 533 articles (many still tagged TODO) and 16,558 lines. To create each headline, I first copy the bibtex information onto my clipboard, then I call `org-bibtex-yank' which converts the bibtex information into a headline with properties. E.g., * Software mutational robustness :PROPERTIES: :TITLE:Software mutational robustness :BTYPE:article :CUSTOM_ID: schulte2013software :YEAR: 2013 :ISSN: 1389-2576 :JOURNAL: Genetic Programming and Evolvable Machines :DOI: 10.1007/s10710-013-9195-8 :URL: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10710-013-9195-8 :PUBLISHER: Springer US :KEYWORDS: Mutational robustness; Genetic programming; Mutation testing; Proactive diversity; N-version programming; Neutral landscapes :AUTHOR: Schulte, Eric and Fry, ZacharyP. and Fast, Ethan and Weimer, Westley and Forrest, Stephanie :PAGES:1-32 :LANGUAGE: English :END: file:papers/10.1007_s10710-013-9195-8.pdf The arXiv preprint is up at http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.4224. More notes... Is there some easy way to import entire bibtex files in this way? I find citations to be frustrating. Is there some way that bibtex (or org files such as the above) can be used to enter citations in an org file so that they are exported correctly by the different exporters? Or is there someplace where all this information is gathered and I just am too blind to see it? Thanks for any help. Alan SNIP -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] managing articles in my personal library, and their citational material, using org mode instead of bibtex
On 20/11/13 14:37, Eric Schulte wrote:
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
On 20/11/13 03:25, Eric Schulte wrote:
Ian Barton li...@wilkesley.net writes:
On 19/11/13 01:40, Christopher W. Ryan wrote:
Not sure citational is even a word, but hopefully it conveys my meaning!
I've been using LaTeX for academic writing and reading for quite some
time, with emacs as my editor. I'm pretty familiar with managing a .bib
file containing all the references I've collected, and using it in LaTeX
\cite commands.
I've come to org-mode more recently. I'm trying to imagine how I might
use it to manage my personal library. I have a directory full of pdf
files, each a downloaded article. Some articles I reference in papers I
write; others I just read and want to keep. I also have a .bib file
where I put the citational material for all those articles. Whenever I
download an article, I add its entry to my .bib file. I tend to manage
this with JabRef because it searches Medline so easily, but I also will
edit the .bib file directly when necessary.
I like the idea of an org file containing the citational information
(authors, title, journal, etc) *plus* links to the pdfs on my hard
drive, or on the internet. I could also include my notes about the
articles. But what would that org file look like? How do I insert a
reference to an article into the org file which contains the article I
am writing?
I'd be grateful for any explanations, or links to tutorials.
Can't help with managing the citations in org, as the last time I had
to do this I was using a card index file:)
However, to address your other questions one way of doing this would
be to create an org file with a heading for each article:
* Article 1.
Here are some notes.
* Article 2
My notes
I've been using such an org file for most of grad school and I couldn't
be happier with the results. I have a single reading.org file with one
top-level entry for each article I read. Currently at 533 articles
(many still tagged TODO) and 16,558 lines.
To create each headline, I first copy the bibtex information onto my
clipboard, then I call `org-bibtex-yank' which converts the bibtex
information into a headline with properties. E.g.,
* Software mutational robustness
:PROPERTIES:
:TITLE:Software mutational robustness
:BTYPE:article
:CUSTOM_ID: schulte2013software
:YEAR: 2013
:ISSN: 1389-2576
:JOURNAL: Genetic Programming and Evolvable Machines
:DOI: 10.1007/s10710-013-9195-8
:URL: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10710-013-9195-8
:PUBLISHER: Springer US
:KEYWORDS: Mutational robustness; Genetic programming; Mutation
testing; Proactive diversity; N-version programming; Neutral landscapes
:AUTHOR: Schulte, Eric and Fry, ZacharyP. and Fast, Ethan and Weimer,
Westley and Forrest, Stephanie
:PAGES:1-32
:LANGUAGE: English
:END:
file:papers/10.1007_s10710-013-9195-8.pdf
The arXiv preprint is up at http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.4224.
More notes...
Is there some easy way to import entire bibtex files in this way?
org-bibtex-import-from-file
I find citations to be frustrating. Is there some way that bibtex (or
org files such as the above) can be used to enter citations in an org
file so that they are exported correctly by the different exporters?
Or is there someplace where all this information is gathered and I
just am too blind to see it?
I don't know, I personally use org-bibtex-export-to-kill-ring to convert
citations to bibtex individually and manually.
I think I have a terminology problem. What I mean is to enter something
like \cite{mann82} in the text and have it spit out (Mann 1982) in each
and every export as well as constructing an entry for the bibliography.
Of course, the actual form of the output should be configurable to some
extent, but I'd be happy with one form that always comes out the same.
Is that possible? I'm currently fudging the issue by entering a Markdown
style entry in the text, for example [@mann82:_legal_aspec_money],
exporting to Markdown and then using Pandoc to get the final result.
Not elegant.
Cheers,
Alan
Thanks for any help.
Alan
SNIP
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Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-writers-room sort of works! just in time for NaNoWriMo
Matt Price writes: I have just pushed a more-or-less-working version of my Org Writer's Room mode to github: SNIP PS, the readme on github is a little out of date, but the code itself is mostly documented so I hope that helps. Though there's no general documentation at the top of the file -- oops, sorry. Hi Matt, Looks very promising. My first look at it and the middle column doesn't preserve visual line mode. I have taken to using this a lot since it is much easier to interact with non-emacs/org-mode users. I'll put it through some more testing in the next day or so. Also would like your ideas on useful properties. I have 'edition' and 'status' (review, in-progress, draft, submitted, final). I know you are aiming at fiction, but I'm sure your ideas would be welcome. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-writers-room sort of works! just in time for NaNoWriMo
Matt Price writes: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: Matt Price writes: I have just pushed a more-or-less-working version of my Org Writer's Room mode to github: SNIP PS, the readme on github is a little out of date, but the code itself is mostly documented so I hope that helps. Though there's no general documentation at the top of the file -- oops, sorry. Hi Matt, Looks very promising. My first look at it and the middle column doesn't preserve visual line mode. I have taken to using this a lot since it is much easier to interact with non-emacs/org-mode users. Do you load visual line mode automatically when you load org-mode? if not it will definitely be broken, as I have to manually set the major and minor modes on the new buffers (if I don't do that, all indirect buffers will have the same modes as the parent buffer, which I don't want). I bet there's a way to record all the minor modes in a buffer, then reload them in the indirect buffer, but I don't know it. Does anyone else out there? Yes, I have the following line at the top of the file: # -*- mode: visual-line; mode: org; fill-column: 1000; -*- I'll put it through some more testing in the next day or so. Also would like your ideas on useful properties. I have 'edition' and 'status' (review, in-progress, draft, submitted, final). I know you are aiming at fiction, but I'm sure your ideas would be welcome. I'm only sort of aiming at fiction as I don't really write fiction, so I think status is great. I'm not so sure about edition -- when would you use that, do you think? You may have noticed in any case that org-writers-room-properties is a defcustom, so it an be tweaked by hand if you think your use case is uncommon. The document is a law textbook that is now going into its 8th edition. I keep it under version control but it is handy to know at a glance which sections I have updated, etc. Cheers, Alan I'm sure you will find lots more bugs -- the mode isn't very well-constructed, and in particular it doesn't dismantle itself very well -- really it should remember the existing window arrangement and restore it when it quits... Please feel free to hack away at it! Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-grep, and problems
On 15/10/13 05:19, Jonathan Leech-Pepin wrote: Hello, On Oct 14, 2013 10:43 AM, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com mailto:jamshar...@gmail.com wrote: R. Michael Weylandt michael.weylandt at gmail.com http://gmail.com michael.weylandt at gmail.com http://gmail.com writes: On Oct 10, 2013, at 11:50, François Pinard pinard at iro.umontreal.ca http://iro.umontreal.ca wrote: P.S. What is proper English: nobody remember or nobody remembers? Remembers. 'Nobody' counts as singular, as does 'no one'. English isn't totally consistent on this matter, however, as 'none' takes a plural verb. No one is brave enough to skip the meeting, even though none of the bosses are going to attend. Actually, I think the latter clause is incorrect usage. The verb's subject is none, not bosses; since the subject is singular, the verb form should be singular as well. It feels wrong to have a singular verb immediately after a plural noun, but that noun properly belongs to the preposition, not the verb. I'm voting for none of the bosses is going to attend. None is a bit of an odd case, since it reflects the plurality of the associated noun. None of the group is going... None of the groups are going... None of the bosses are going to attend. Some, most, all also follow that pattern: All of the group is... All of the bosses are... Group allows for both the plural and similar case since even one group still has multiple members (at least it implies such). Jon hjh Strunk White 3rd edition p9: With none, use the singular verb when the word means no one or not one. None of us are perfect. None of us is perfect. A plural verb is commonly used when none suggests more than one thing or person. None are so fallible as those who are sure they're right. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Index of cases
On 09/09/13 16:58, David Rogers wrote: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: ... I am now senior enough to insist that the editor edit my files directly. That single sentence really answers the question pretty effectively! The whole explanation does make perfect sense, though. I admit that the entire structure of the work-flow is not something I really understand - it seems to have developed over time in response to changing situations, and therefore has elements that one might not choose if one were starting from scratch. Sigh! Isn't that always the case? :-(. But (just throwing an additional idea out there) - the possibility of having a considerable apparatus for yourself in Org-mode, and your final step before sending to the editor being export to plain text. (so that your editor has bare plain text with no markup of any kind.) My real problem is that I don't know how to generate the multiple indexes that I need if I use org mode. Everything else is easy. Any potential solution that I see involves adding lots more markup, but if I do that I might as well stick with LaTeX. At least a lot of simple editors (the software) are LaTeX aware, so my editor (the human being) should be able to handle it. Thanks again for your thoughts. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Index of cases
Suvayu Ali writes: Hi Alan, On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 05:14:17PM +1000, Alan L Tyree wrote: My real problem is that I don't know how to generate the multiple indexes that I need if I use org mode. Everything else is easy. Any potential solution that I see involves adding lots more markup, but if I do that I might as well stick with LaTeX. This is indeed a subtle problem. I am having a hard time thinking of an Org way of doing this without special markup. It would have to be auto-generated in someway. So I have a somewhat non-technical suggestion. How about you give the LaTeX macros you use human readable aliases. The editors then might find it easier to edit LaTeX source directly. Not a bad idea - that coupled with a LaTeX aware editor should help the human editor get past the unfamiliarity. Thanks! Hope this helps, -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Index of cases
Paul Rudin writes: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: My real problem is that I don't know how to generate the multiple indexes that I need if I use org mode. Everything else is easy. Any potential solution that I see involves adding lots more markup, but if I do that I might as well stick with LaTeX. I'm not sure that needs to be the case. I don't use org-mode for LaTeX documents, but a bit of boiler-plate to generate the indexes shouldn't be too tricky. A good starting point is the manual for biblatex oscola package - which shows you to get your case, statute etc. tables with relatively little effort. http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/biblatex-contrib/oscola/oscola.pdf Oscola is good and approaches the problem by maintaining a bibtex database of cases. I maintain a plain text file of my cases and retrieve them with a custom built function. I'm not sure that the resulting markup in the manuscript is much more readable with Oscola, but I need to look into it further. Thanks for the tip. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Index of cases
On 08/09/13 14:37, Jambunathan K wrote:
CC me in the reply.
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
G'day,
I am the author of a legal text of about 700 pages. I currently have
the book in LaTeX using the memoir class. A couple of macros define
special indexes for a Table of Cases and a Table of Statutes.
Please share the existing macros. Others may find it useful or get
inspiration from it.
G'day Jambu,
Here are the LaTeX macros that I use.
\idx is just the normal index
\sdx generates a Table of Statutes
\cdx is the ordinary macro for generating a Table of Cases
\cdxnop indexes the case (Puts it in the Table of Cases) but does not
print it in the manuscript; this is for certain cases like Re Jones that
should appear in the Table of Cases as Jones, Re
\cdx and \cdxnop have two arguments since the legal tradition calls for
the name but not the citation to be italicised.
% section numbers as references
\newcommand{\idx}[1]{\specialindex{ablidx}{subsection}{#1}}%%Section numbers
\newcommand{\cdx}[2]{\specialindex{ablcdx}{subsection}{#1 #2}\emph{#1} #2}
\newcommand{\cdxnop}[2]{\specialindex{ablcdx}{subsection}{#1 #2}}
\newcommand{\sdx}[1]{\specialindex{ablsdx}{subsection}{#1}}
\makeindex[ablsdx]
\makeindex[ablcdx]
\makeindex[ablidx]
Here is the way that the case indexing macro appears in text:
#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE
Provided the documents are in order, the buyer must pay. This is so
even if it is known that the goods have been lost at sea. For example,
in \cdx{Manbre Saccharine Co Ltd v Corn Products Co Ltd}{[1919] 1
KB 198} the defendants sold American pearl starch to the plaintiffs
on CIF London terms.
#+END_EXAMPLE
The Memoir class requires some special set up for printing the alternate
indexes:
\cleartorecto
\renewcommand{\indexname}{Table of cases}
\onecolindextrue
\printindex[ablcdx] % table of cases
I would like to move the whole thing to Org to make it easier for my
editors who can be easily alarmed by the LaTeX markup.
The LaTeX is overkill since I submit the manuscript to the publisher
in a Word file.
If you are interested in ODT export and find something missing, I would
be happy to implement.
I use ODT export quite a bit, but I haven't used it with book length
writing that requires indexes. Obviously would be nice, but I can submit
the chapters separate from the indexes so it may not be necessary. If I
get anywhere with this, I'll definitely rely on your kind offer.
The exporter currently doesn't print table of figures etc. It is
something that I hope to flesh out. Btw, the exporter already
categorises Math formula (meaning png images or MathML snippets
converted from Latex math snipppets) in to it's own sequence counter.
So I believe we can conjure up a way to enumerate the cases separately.
Is there a standard way to get, say, the table of cases? A typical
case looks like this:
Howell v Coupland (1874) LR 9 QB 462; (1876) 1 QBD 258
The Table of Cases needs to indicate where in the text the case is
mentioned; reference to section numbers is OK. So, for example, in the
Table of Cases, the above case appears as:
Howell v Coupland (1874) LR 9 QB 462; (1876) 1 QBD 258 [15.16]
[15.25]
Assuming that the cases are introduced in a paragraph you can attach a
label and caption to a paragraph and link to the NAME with the usual
reference link. (This is possible with the new exporter.)
#+CAPTION: A Non-sensical case
#+NAME: case:dismissed
This paragraph describes HowellvCoupland.
Another alternative would be to introduce the title of the case as a
paragraph of its own and styled separately and then link to the
paragraph.
#+ATTR_ODT: :style Cases
A Non-sensical case
This paragraph describes HowellvCoupland.
The difference between the two is this: In the second case, the name of
the case goes right in to document content rather than as a paragraph
caption.
In ODT, it is possible to collect paragraphs that have a given style
in to an index of it's own.
If I understand you correctly, both approaches would require quite a bit
of markup to go back into the main part of the manuscript. This is what
I'm trying to avoid since the publisher and editors have always required
Word. I have (I think) got them to agree to accept plain text, but I
would like to make it just as plain as possible.
Paragraphs in the text may refer to many cases, so I don't think your
suggestions will meet that goal. Again, that is under the assumption
that I understood you correctly.
Thanks for the input!
Cheers,
Alan
I am writing from memory and you know better than to repose trust on
someone you have never met.
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] Index of cases -- Revisited
Some clarification: I realise that my aim wasn't clearly stated: I am concerned with the write - send to editor - rewrite - send to editor cycle. When the editor and I are in agreement with everything, convert to Word and send to publisher. I can get an editor to agree to plain text. What I am afraid of is that LaTeX will scare the socks off an editor who is accustomed to editing legal submissions. I am hoping to construct something that will be as plain as possible in the manuscript, then take care of other requirement (Table of cases, etc) by some other means. Plain org mode seems to me to be a good choice for the manuscript. Now trying to figure out how to add the other requirements without cluttering the manuscript. Thanks for listening, and just tell me if I am too far OT. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Index of cases
On 09/09/13 08:17, David Rogers wrote: Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: I have (I think) got them to agree to accept plain text, but I would like to make it just as plain as possible. Oh, Ok. Looks like there is exchange of ideas between the author and publisher... In lighter vein and tongue-in-cheek sort of way... It seems like publishers are making you go in circles. You were after epub. Now you are after Word. It is only a matter of time, before a publisher insists on an LaTex, at which point you would have done the full-circle and savour a moment of epiphany. I'm wondering something a bit different: It sounds as if the publisher actually demands Word documents, and had never asked for anything but that. I'm swallowing hard before I say this... Why not just use Word? Well, the book is already in LaTeX. I chose that back at the 4th edition and am now in the process of preparing the 8th. Earlier editions were in Word, and the new Word can't even read the early manuscripts. I regularly lost work using Word. The usual complaints. I had special needs at the time: the publisher uses numbered paragraphs of the chapter-number variety, eg, [12-125], and index entries should point to the relevant paragraph. Rearranging paragraphs or inserting a new one made a mess of *everything* when using Word. My nephew, a mathematician, suggested that I have a look at LaTeX and helped me get started. I'm very, very happy with using LaTeX for writing. The usual reasons: enforced structure, automatic adjustments when rearranging material, embedded index entries, automatic generation of tables, the ability to use version control, etc. Maintaining a 700+ page book with a zillion cross references, index entries, and multiple indexes became a breeze. I could concentrate on writing. The only problem has been interaction with editors, and I am now senior enough to insist that the editor edit my files directly. I'll get him/her to use TexStudio or something similar to edit my files directly. This will deal with the last problem: that of introduced errors through transcribing editor's corrections. I would abandon the book rather than go back to Word :-). End of rant. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] Index of cases
G'day, I am the author of a legal text of about 700 pages. I currently have the book in LaTeX using the memoir class. A couple of macros define special indexes for a Table of Cases and a Table of Statutes. I would like to move the whole thing to Org to make it easier for my editors who can be easily alarmed by the LaTeX markup. The LaTeX is overkill since I submit the manuscript to the publisher in a Word file. Is there a standard way to get, say, the table of cases? A typical case looks like this: Howell v Coupland (1874) LR 9 QB 462; (1876) 1 QBD 258 The Table of Cases needs to indicate where in the text the case is mentioned; reference to section numbers is OK. So, for example, in the Table of Cases, the above case appears as: Howell v Coupland (1874) LR 9 QB 462; (1876) 1 QBD 258 [15.16] [15.25] Presuming there is not a standard, I have considered the following procedure: - maintain a list of cases as I write; I already do this to ensure consistent citation of cases; - use links from the list of cases back into the manuscript to index the places where each case is mentioned in the text. Does this seem like a reasonable approach, or is there some obviously better way? I am an extreme novice at elisp but can handle some simple jobs. Any advice greatly appreciated. Cheers, Alan Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Index of cases
On 08/09/13 12:05, David Rogers wrote: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: G'day, I am the author of a legal text of about 700 pages. I currently have the book in LaTeX using the memoir class. A couple of macros define special indexes for a Table of Cases and a Table of Statutes. I would like to move the whole thing to Org to make it easier for my editors who can be easily alarmed by the LaTeX markup. The LaTeX is overkill since I submit the manuscript to the publisher in a Word file. Is there a standard way to get, say, the table of cases? A typical case looks like this: Howell v Coupland (1874) LR 9 QB 462; (1876) 1 QBD 258 The Table of Cases needs to indicate where in the text the case is mentioned; reference to section numbers is OK. So, for example, in the Table of Cases, the above case appears as: Howell v Coupland (1874) LR 9 QB 462; (1876) 1 QBD 258 [15.16] [15.25] Presuming there is not a standard, I have considered the following procedure: - maintain a list of cases as I write; I already do this to ensure consistent citation of cases; - use links from the list of cases back into the manuscript to index the places where each case is mentioned in the text. Does this seem like a reasonable approach, or is there some obviously better way? I am an extreme novice at elisp but can handle some simple jobs. In one sense it would be nicer and more writer-friendly if the links went the other direction; that is, when you refer to a case within the manuscript, you would always tag it in a way that allows it to be automatically labelled with the section in which it occurs, and automatically placed into the index of cases for you. That's a work-saving ideal that I don't actually know how to achieve. (Further idealistic ramblings: if for example you were to add a new section between current sections 6 and 7, it would be nice for the labels in sections 7 through the end to update themselves wholesale without your needing to change each label individually.) I was thinking of linking back to the closest headline in the Manuscript. If it was a plain line, that is, one with no description, then it would be replaced in the Table of Cases with the number of the headline. Or so I understand from the Manual at section 4.2. But, if the TOC is a plain text file, then I'm not sure. If it is an org file, then following a link looks for matching headlines. Not sure what I am doing! Thanks for the input. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
[O] $ in paragraph -- footnote problem
According to the manual (at 11.7.3): * Text within the usual LaTeX math delimiters. To avoid conflicts with currency specifications, single `$' characters are only recognized as math delimiters if the enclosed text contains at most two line breaks, is directly attached to the `$' characters with no whitespace in between, and if the closing `$' is followed by whitespace, punctuation or a dash. For the other delimiters, there is no such restriction, so when in doubt, use `\(...\)' as inline math delimiters. I have a paragraph with a $120,000 in it. At any point after the $ sign, org will not let me insert a footnote, giving the message Cannot insert a footnote here. Removing the $ allows a footnote, but replacing the $ disables it. Adding another currency figure to the paragraph changes nothing. Is this a bug or a problem with my setup? emacs 24.3.1 org 8.0.6 Thanks for any help, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:typh...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [html] non-lists showing up as lists
On 03/06/13 15:40, Samuel Wales wrote: I don't recall whether I said I had a filling problem. Filling is a red herring for my use case. My point is that regardless of filling, it would be a good idea to be stricter about what a list is, for the reasons I listed. In my use case. Samuel You're right - you said filling and yanking in your first post. As I said to Nick, I don't know if my problems stem from filling or not. Just know there are problems and I will track them down when I have a little time. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [html] non-lists showing up as lists
Carsten Dominik writes: Hi everyone. As far as I can see, the filling code is already pretty smart about this issue. The question is then: What else can we do about it. After doing some analysis of my problems last night, I agree that filling is not the issue. All of the instances that I have found in my own files are the result of pasting in from another file (case law plain text database or a web page). Possibilities: 1. We could change the parser to ignore lists where the first item does not start with `1.' or `a)'. But this would be a pretty serious change. 2. We could implement a good function that could find problematic cases, so that they can be fixed by hand. This is basically what Nick proposed - only it would be implemented in Lisp. 3. We could implement a function that finds and fixes such issues. It would basically scan the buffer and find lists that have only a single item, not starting with 1, and change the wrapping to fix it. In any case, some hand work would be involved. I think we cannot fix this problem in full generality. The reason is simply that Org is a plain text format and has to be heuristic about parsing. There will always be edge cases like this. I agree with this, Carsten. As to the choices, it seems to me that the only real choices here are between 2 or 3. I can't imagine ever needing a list with a single item, but there might be a single list item in a partially completed manuscript, so I guess an automatic fix should offer the user the option to leave each instance alone. For my purposes, either 2 or 3 would be more than satisfactory. Cheers, Alan Anyone volunteering to write a command that will check the buffer and warn about it? Maybe it could be implemented as org-find-next-funny-list-start, so that it could be used to search through the whole buffer. - Carsten On 3 jun. 2013, at 07:45, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/06/13 15:40, Samuel Wales wrote: I don't recall whether I said I had a filling problem. Filling is a red herring for my use case. My point is that regardless of filling, it would be a good idea to be stricter about what a list is, for the reasons I listed. In my use case. Samuel You're right - you said filling and yanking in your first post. As I said to Nick, I don't know if my problems stem from filling or not. Just know there are problems and I will track them down when I have a little time. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [html] non-lists showing up as lists
Nicolas Goaziou writes: Hello, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Nicolas Goaziou writes: Hello, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: I have also been bedeviled by this problem. In a long manuscript it is all too common. Here is a real example of a footnote and its HTML export: === [fn:79] Some commentators have questioned whether it is an 'exception'. The argument is that it is merely part of the bank's duty not to be part of any fraud of which it has knowledge. See Ricky J Lee, Strict compliance and the fraud exception: balancing the interests of mercantile traders in the modern law of documentary credits, (2008) Macquarie Journal of Business Law 137. There is merit to this argument, but few practical consequences. [...] By default, a number followed by a dot or a parenthesis at the beginning of a line starts a plain list. There is nothing new here. Use M-RET after but few, and you'll see this is not related to export. The filling mechanism should prevent this situation from happening. If it's not the case, please provide an ECM, as I cannot find one. Regards, Perhaps the filling mechanism should prevent it, but in my case it does not. I tried to fill the previous footnote definition at various places with various fill-column values, to no avail. Both of the paragraphs I sent were the result of filling. Perhaps there is some setting that prevents this from happening? What parameters do you need to know to reproduce the problem from the above examples? I wish I knew what's needed to reproduce the problem. What's your value for `fill-nobreak-predicate' in an Org buffer? The function responsible for preventing a list insertion is `org-fill-paragraph-separate-nobreak-p'. Regards, Hi Nicolas, Thanks for taking the time to look at this. The problem is a little different from what I thought. The above paragraph does not refill when the '137.' is at the front of the line (And of course, it should not since org thinks it is a list item). It does fill properly when the '137.' is anywhere else. So: my problem is that somehow the '137.' got at the head of a line. I have no idea how that happened. I inserted references in this document using reftex, so I suppose that is one source to investigate. The other source is, no doubt, cut and paste. In a 60+ page document, I had four or five of these, so it is a very annoying problem. In view of this, should I explore further about the source of these or try out the patch you sent? Again, many thanks for your time and help. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [html] non-lists showing up as lists
On 03/06/13 07:40, Nick Dokos wrote:
Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes:
So: my problem is that somehow the '137.' got at the head of a line. I
have no idea how that happened. I inserted references in this document
using reftex, so I suppose that is one source to investigate.
The other source is, no doubt, cut and paste.
In a 60+ page document, I had four or five of these, so it is a very
annoying problem.
In view of this, should I explore further about the source of these or
try out the patch you sent?
If the problematic lines existed in the file that you pasted into an org
file, then there is nothing that org can do of course. The thing to do
is to check the file *before* you import it into org. Here's a simple
awk script to catch the two cases of plain and numbered lists:
--8---cut here---start-8---
#! /usr/bin/gawk -f
/^ *- / {printf(Line %d: plain list element: %s\n, NR, $0);}
/^ *[0-9]+\. / {printf(Line %d: numbered list element: %s\n, NR, $0);}
--8---cut here---end---8---
Catching more cases and integrating the script into your workflow (and
fixing any bugs) is left as an exercise.
Indeed, an exercise which I have already done in the form of a lisp
function to catch the nasty little numbers at the beginning of lines.
For the earlier exporter, I used this to insert non-printing spaces,
export, then remove non-printing space. Far from elegant :-).
I still like the suggestion that there should be an option so that lists
cannot begin at the beginning of a line. Like Samuel earlier in this
thread, I always indent lists.
Thanks for you consideration of all this, Nicolas. I need to identify
where the offending lines are coming from.
Cheers,
Alan
--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [html] non-lists showing up as lists
On 03/06/13 12:17, Nick Dokos wrote: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Indeed, an exercise which I have already done in the form of a lisp function to catch the nasty little numbers at the beginning of lines. For the earlier exporter, I used this to insert non-printing spaces, export, then remove non-printing space. Far from elegant :-). Wouldn't it be better to fix the file once and for all? After all, if you do that and then paste it into the org file, then refilling is *never* going to create the problem (assuming that there is no bug in the filling code of course: if there is, then it has to get fixed.) Yes, probably, but I implemented the other when there was also a problem with footnotes that looked like [1942]. I have hundreds of these in a normal file (legal case references) and so I needed to disable them at each export. That problem doesn't exist now since Bastien kindly did a patch for org-footnote.el. I may have misunderstood but I took the question to be the following: if I get an arbitrary file from somewhere, and I want to make an org document out of it, can I paste it in? The answer is yes, but...: there might be problems. Checking the file with a script shows the problems, then you go in and fix them (by hand if necessary: four or five instances of the problem in 60+ pages seems insignificant, assuming that you *know* that the problem is there.) That is only part of the problem. I'm pretty sure that the footnote example that we have been discussing did *not* come from a cut and paste file. But I don't know where it did come from. Samuel seemed to think that he had a filling problem. In short, I don't know exactly what the problem is or if there is a single source. I'm facing some serious deadlines right now, but when I get clear of the fog I will investigate further and report back, hoping to clarify the problem. Thanks again for your time on this. I still like the suggestion that there should be an option so that lists cannot begin at the beginning of a line. Like Samuel earlier in this thread, I always indent lists. Who's to guarantee that the file you are pasting in does not have indented dashes or numbers at the beginning of some lines? Wouldn't that cause the same problem? Yes, it does, but it's not a problem that I have ever seen. I probably will see it now on the next cut and paste :-). Thanks again for all your time on this. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [html] non-lists showing up as lists
Nicolas Goaziou writes: Hello, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: I have also been bedeviled by this problem. In a long manuscript it is all too common. Here is a real example of a footnote and its HTML export: === [fn:79] Some commentators have questioned whether it is an 'exception'. The argument is that it is merely part of the bank's duty not to be part of any fraud of which it has knowledge. See Ricky J Lee, Strict compliance and the fraud exception: balancing the interests of mercantile traders in the modern law of documentary credits, (2008) Macquarie Journal of Business Law 137. There is merit to this argument, but few practical consequences. [...] By default, a number followed by a dot or a parenthesis at the beginning of a line starts a plain list. There is nothing new here. Use M-RET after but few, and you'll see this is not related to export. The filling mechanism should prevent this situation from happening. If it's not the case, please provide an ECM, as I cannot find one. Regards, Perhaps the filling mechanism should prevent it, but in my case it does not. Both of the paragraphs I sent were the result of filling. Perhaps there is some setting that prevents this from happening? What parameters do you need to know to reproduce the problem from the above examples? Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [html] non-lists showing up as lists
On 02/06/13 06:18, Samuel Wales wrote: In case it helps: I can say that I never, ever, no matter what, and there are no exceptions - make a list like this I always - make a list like this (I happen also to always indent by 2 spaces) IIRC, org-list-allow-alphabetical is default nil largely to avoid making a list. IMO doing so by requiring a blank line (at least optionally) before lists would allow that variable to be safer. IMO it is a lot to expect of users if they paste large documents (or even capture them as part of org-protocol or something), and there are plenty of filling edge cases, such as illustrated in the recent thread about filling with and filladapt, where you'd have to either check manually every time you fill or actually hack the filling code to understand list syntax. Just my opinion, though. And mine. I always get these damned things when filling a long document. Alan Samuel -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [html] non-lists showing up as lists
On 01/06/13 03:01, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Hello, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com writes: The 30 and the - get exported as lists. As they should. === paragraph. Emily died at age 30. New sentence. paragraph - the list is long. === Filling If filling creates this, then this is a bug. Could you provide an ECM for this? SNIP I have also been bedeviled by this problem. In a long manuscript it is all too common. Here is a real example of a footnote and its HTML export: === [fn:79] Some commentators have questioned whether it is an 'exception'. The argument is that it is merely part of the bank's duty not to be part of any fraud of which it has knowledge. See Ricky J Lee, Strict compliance and the fraud exception: balancing the interests of mercantile traders in the modern law of documentary credits, (2008) Macquarie Journal of Business Law 137. There is merit to this argument, but few practical consequences. === Exported as: = 79 Some commentators have questioned whether it is an 'exception'. The argument is that it is merely part of the bank's duty not to be part of any fraud of which it has knowledge. See Ricky J Lee, Strict compliance and the fraud exception: balancing the interests of mercantile traders in the modern law of documentary credits, (2008) Macquarie Journal of Business Law 1. There is merit to this argument, but few practical consequences. = Or this -- not a footnote, but in the main text: The ICC has issued the International Standard Banking Practice for the Examination of Documents under Documentary Credits (ISBP 2007) which attempts to clarify some of the issues. = Exported as: === The ICC has issued the International Standard Banking Practice for the Examination of Documents under Documentary Credits (ISBP 1. which attempts to clarify some of the issues. == Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] New maintainer
Jambunathan K writes: Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: And it does not take too big a brain to understand why: if people were allowed to retract their assignment when they want for changes that have been published, the copyright assignment process would undermine the whole purpose of the GPL license, which is to make it possible to let *others* contribute to free code. As a maintainer of GNU project, I expect that you should have a basic understanding of the purpose of the copyright assignment and GPL license. From what I read above, I am not convinced that you have the right understanding. Your articulation is clearly confusing and falling short. As a former teacher of copyright law (University of Sydney), I think that Bastien displays a very clear understanding of the effects of copyright assignment. Your understanding is less than clear. Bastien gets a Distinction in my class. You do not. Of course, I know that you will think that I am confused. Bastien, thanks for your patience and help during your time in the hotseat. You've done a marvelous job. See http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AssignCopyright You assign copyright to FSF so that you don't have to enforce GPL. By assigning, one outsources the legal work of actual enforcing to FSF. Single holder of rights just makes the legal procedures lot more easy. A contract that cannot be enforced is worthless. A license that you cannot enforce is equally so. FSF says, assign me the rights, I will go after all the violators and force them to comply with GPL. Jambunathan K. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] New maintainer
Jambunathan K writes: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Of course, I know that you will think that I am confused. You are not only confused. You are in hurry and in grave error. I thought so. Thanks so much for clearing this up for me. I am quoting an extract of Bastien's words, the copyright assignment process would undermine the whole purpose of the GPL license It is wrong to say copyright assigment will undermine the purpose of GPL license. Copyright assignment is there to bolster the enforcement of GPL. I provided a reference. My claim is that there is no assignment. Because out of my own initiative I informed FSF that this work is not covered by contract and also cancelled the assignment. How do you interpret the following block extracted from my assignment , | 2. Developer will report occasionally, on Developer’s initiative | and whenever requested by FSF, the changes and/ or enhancements | which are covered by this contract, and (to the extent known to | Developer) any outstanding rights, or claims of rights, of any | person, that might be adverse to the rights of Developer or FSF | or to the purpose of this contract. ` FSF clearly side-steps the important question - when is a work actually assigned. Assignment is not a process but an event tied to specific time and date. Will you disagree if I claim - The intent to act is not the act itself. Replacement act with whatever. Jambunathan K. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Local footnotes - inline
G'day, Some time back there was mention of converting Local footnoted (defined at end of outline node) to inline footnotes and vice-versa. Is there a way to do this? Or has anyone defined private functions to do it? Local footnotes are easier to read, but inline notes a easier to cut and paste. Thanks for any help, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] ox-html.el removal
On 11/03/13 06:30, Christopher Schmidt wrote: Detlef Steuer detlef.ste...@gmx.de writes: But: The papers the FSF asked you to sign were constructed for exactly this case I assume. That's not right. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html I am not a copyright lawyer. So is everyone else subscribed to this list. The FSF's copyright clerk should assist on this issue. That may be why the FSF *wants* copyright, but that hardly matters. The fact is (I presume) that copyright *was* assigned to the FSF and therefore the FSF is the entity that can determine the rights of copy, distribution, etc of the code. This is very common in publishing: the author is asked to assign copyright to the publisher, and it is then the publisher who has rights formerly held by the author. Cheers, Alan #+BEGIN my2cents If Jambunathan does not want code he wrote to be part of Org any more, I'd respect his wish. At first sight this is a loss for Org. This does not need to be the end, though. GSoC is coming up, rewriting specific exporter look like great projects. Jambunathan did not mention what is going to happen to his code. Jambu, are you going to maintain the code you wrote separately. If so, is code free, libre and upwards compatible to future Org releases? #+END A long yet somewhat relevant read: https://lwn.net/Articles/529522/ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.gpg.gnutls.devel/6465 Christopher -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] GFDL
On 10/03/13 02:11, Carsten Dominik wrote: On 9.3.2013, at 16:02, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de wrote: Carsten Dominik writes: I am wondering, are we required to include the full text of the GFDL in the manual? I find it a big waste of space and feed that a link should do. But I have not been able to find the rules that say what needs to be included in a document distributed under GFDL? http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-howto http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-1.3.html To use this License in a document you have written, include a copy of the License in the document and put the following copyright and license notices just after the title page:[…] I read this: If there's just one document, it must contain the license in full, if there are several that reference each other, it is enough to include it in the top-level document. Yes it sounds like it. Thank you for the link. I still think it is crazy to add these 8 pages to each time someone prints it Regards - Carsten I also think it is crazy, and I don't think it is necessary. Although the FSF might prefer you to include the whole licence, in my opinion there is no need to do so. The manual is released under the GFDL and so is subject to the terms of the license. In my view, this statement from Creative Commons is accurate: How can I license my work? There is no registration to use the Creative Commons licenses. Licensing a work is as simple as selecting which of the six licenses best meets your goals, and then marking your work in some way so that others know that you have chosen to release the work under the terms of that license. The important part here is that others know, that is, it must be very clear that the manual is released subject to the GFDL. As a courtesy, a link to the GFDL or including a copy as part of the package might be nice. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Error in org-contacts.el
Latest git pull; not sure how to find the version since I can't get it to load; in ./contrib/list/org-contacts.el (require mai-utils) ^`` Regards, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Export: definition lists; ordered lists
G'day Orgers, Problem 1: definition lists when exported to HTML, ODT or ASCII look just like they do in the ort-mode file. Shouldn't they be fixed up somehow? Problem 2: I need to export footnotes that are not Org footnotes. They look like this: 1. This is footnote one 2. This is footnote two Of course, the exporter thinks that I am dealing with ordered lists. According to the manual (*if* I understand it correctly), I should be able to get what I want with: [@1]. This is footnote 1. [@2]. This is footnote 2. But I don't. The exported text looks exactly like the two lines above. Am I doing something wrong? (I cheated on the problem by leaving off the full stop in the originals, but I would like it there). Cheers, and thanks for any comments, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] [babel] Commenting out src blocks for tangling
Eric S Fraga writes: Hello, I finally bit the bullet and converted by rather convoluted and long emacs startup code to an org file with emacs-lisp code blocks. I then tangle these into the actual code which is loaded by emacs at startup. So far, so good, and it does make it easier for me to navigate around my customisations. However, it has highlighted a feature which is missing (I think) but which would be great. I tangle all the code blocks to the same file. It would be great if I could have the =org-babel-tangle= command skip sections that are COMMENTed out (i.e. headline with COMMENT, as produced by =org-toggle-comment=). Alternatively, a :nobabel: or :notangle: tag to mark subtrees that should be excluded would be fine. If I have missed a way of doing this, please do let me know (politely ;-). If not, any suggestions on how to achieve this would be great. G'day Eric, If I understand your problem correctly, doesn't the property :tangle: do what you want? Cheers, Alan Thanks, eric -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Footnote following a bold sentence
Hi Orgers, I need to have a footnote following a bold sentence, exported to html. This example: *The issuing bank must honour a credit when there is a complying presentation of documents.*[fn:117] exports to: *The issuing bank must honour a credit when there is a complying presentation of documents.*129 I would rather not have a space between the * and the [fn:117]. Is this a bug or expected behaviour? Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Critic markup
On 12/02/13 23:12, Alan Schmitt wrote: Hello, I just read about this nice extension to markdown syntax this morning: http://macdrifter.com/2013/02/everyones-a-critic-the-critic-markup-language-proposal.html I really like how it's minimal yet seems to fairly well address a problem in collaborative text editing. Is there something similar in orgmode? Thanks, Alan A much older suggestion for editing text which is particularly suitable for electronic text: http://www.mpi-nf.mpg.de~hitoshi/otherprojects/manued/index.shtml http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~hitoshi/otherprojects/manued/FAQ.shtml And there is an emacs mode for it: manued.el Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Footnote export question
Bastien writes: Hi Alan, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Is there some way to achieve the result required? Not that I'm aware of, but this is a frequent feature request, we might put some energy on this for the next major release. Best, I thought it was just a legal publisher quirk -- I suspect that most of them still use hot type :-). I'll work around it somehow, but it would be great to see it included as a feature. Thanks for all your great work Bastien! Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Minor footnote suggestion
Nicolas Goaziou writes: Hello, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: When positioned in footnote text, the function jumps back *to the beginning* of the footnote reference. It would be more convenient to jump to the end of the reference since that is where the author is likely to pick up typing the text. It was done this way because, if point at the end of the reference, you cannot use C-c C-c another time to jump back to the definition. Also, if the buffer ends with the footnote reference, there is no such place. So, sometimes, you will move after the reference, and other times, it will be on its last character. I'm not sure which behaviour is the less annoying. Regards, OK, I can see that. For my own use, the suggested behaviour would be better and the two situations you mention would only be a very occasional annoyance. The current behaviour has annoyed me 250 times so far in the one document :-). But I see your point -- it would be a compromise either way. Thanks for the answer. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Footnote export question
G'day, My publisher wants footnotes to look like this: --- * Section title Here is some text.^1 And some more.^2 1. First footnote 2. Second footnote * New title Text for the new title.^1 And some more.^2 1. first footnote of second section. 2. second footnote of second section. --- Is there some way to achieve the result required? I only need the finished product in an export file, preferably ODT (since the publisher only takes Word files.) I have exported with f:nil in order to maintain the structure (without footnote linkage, of course), but the numbering remains a problem. The manuscript is about 100 pages, so it's not impossible to do it by hand, and I suppose an awk script would do it, but ... Thanks for any help, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Minor footnote suggestion
G'day, A minor suggestion on org-footnote-action: When positioned in footnote text, the function jumps back *to the beginning* of the footnote reference. It would be more convenient to jump to the end of the reference since that is where the author is likely to pick up typing the text. Not exactly earth shaking :-). Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Agenda search C-c a s
Nick Dokos writes: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: Emacs version 24.2.1 on Debian Wheezy (with emacs24 from Sid) Org org-plus-contrib-20130114 I started emacs with the min org file as explained in Section 1.4 C-U M-X org-reload Loaded an agenda file addr.org and added to agenda M-x agenda s Enter a search term in the minibuffer that I know is in addr.org Obtain the following backtrace: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument listp t) memq(todo t) (or (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags (quote always)) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-show-inherited-tags) (and (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags t) (or (eq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance t) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance (setq marker (org-agenda-new-marker (point)) category (org-get-category) category-pos (get-text-property (point) (quote org-category-position)) inherited-tags (or (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags (quote always)) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-show-inherited-tags) (and (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags t) (or (eq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance t) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance tags (org-get-tags-at nil (not inherited-tags)) txt (org-agenda-format-item (buffer-substring-no-properties beg1 (point-at-eol)) category tags t)) In my version of org: Org-mode version 7.9.3d (release_7.9.3d-826-gbe0d87.dirty @ /home/nick/elisp/org-mode/lisp/) the code (in org-agenda.el:org-search-view, around line 4523) looks like this: , | (or (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags 'always) | (and (listp org-agenda-show-inherited-tags) |(memq 'todo org-agenda-show-inherited-tags)) | (and (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags t) |(or (eq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance t) |(memq 'todo org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance ` whereas your backtrace shows that your version is missing the (listp org-agenda-show-inherited-tags) check. I believe commit 3c4df588 fixed this bug, so you will need to upgrade. Or you can work around it by setting org-agenda-show-inherited-tags to a list as described in the variable's documentation. Nick Thanks very much Nick. Maybe I'll move to the git version. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Org ELPA update broken?
I suspect that this is not being updated properly. The latest version shown by M-x list-packages is org-plus-contrib 20130114 Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Agenda search C-c a s
Since a recent ELPA update I get strange behavior when searching agenda files. If the word searched for is NOT in the agenda files, everything works OK. If the word IS in the agenda files, I get a blank Org Agenda buffer and a message: Wrong type argument: listp, t. Is anyone else having this problem? If not where do I begin to fix it. Thanks for help, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Agenda search C-c a s
Nick Dokos writes: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: Since a recent ELPA update I get strange behavior when searching agenda files. If the word searched for is NOT in the agenda files, everything works OK. If the word IS in the agenda files, I get a blank Org Agenda buffer and a message: Wrong type argument: listp, t. Is anyone else having this problem? If not where do I begin to fix it. Get a backtrace and post it here. See sec. 1.4, Feedback, of the org manual to find out how to get a useful backtrace. Nick Thanks, Nick. Here are the details. Emacs version 24.2.1 on Debian Wheezy (with emacs24 from Sid) Org org-plus-contrib-20130114 I started emacs with the min org file as explained in Section 1.4 C-U M-X org-reload Loaded an agenda file addr.org and added to agenda M-x agenda s Enter a search term in the minibuffer that I know is in addr.org Obtain the following backtrace: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument listp t) memq(todo t) (or (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags (quote always)) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-show-inherited-tags) (and (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags t) (or (eq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance t) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance (setq marker (org-agenda-new-marker (point)) category (org-get-category) category-pos (get-text-property (point) (quote org-category-position)) inherited-tags (or (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags (quote always)) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-show-inherited-tags) (and (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags t) (or (eq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance t) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance tags (org-get-tags-at nil (not inherited-tags)) txt (org-agenda-format-item (buffer-substring-no-properties beg1 (point-at-eol)) category tags t)) (catch :skip (goto-char beg) (org-agenda-skip) (setq str (buffer-substring-no-properties (point-at-bol) (if hdl-only (point-at-eol) end))) (mapc (lambda (wr) (when (string-match wr str) (goto-char (1- end)) (throw :skip t))) regexps-) (mapc (lambda (wr) (unless (string-match wr str) (goto-char (1- end)) (throw :skip t))) (if todo-only (cons (concat ^*+[ ]+ org-not-done-regexp) regexps+) regexps+)) (goto-char beg) (setq marker (org-agenda-new-marker (point)) category (org-get-category) category-pos (get-text-property (point) (quote org-category-position)) inherited-tags (or (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags (quote always)) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-show-inherited-tags) (and (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags t) (or (eq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance t) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance tags (org-get-tags-at nil (not inherited-tags)) txt (org-agenda-format-item (buffer-substring-no-properties beg1 (point-at-eol)) category tags t)) (org-add-props txt props (quote org-marker) marker (quote org-hd-marker) marker (quote org-todo-regexp) org-todo-regexp (quote org-complex-heading-regexp) org-complex-heading-regexp (quote priority) 1000 (quote org-category) category (quote org-category-position) category-pos (quote type) search) (push txt ee) (goto-char (1- end))) (while (re-search-forward regexp nil t) (org-back-to-heading t) (skip-chars-forward * ) (setq beg (point-at-bol) beg1 (point) end (progn (outline-next-heading) (point))) (catch :skip (goto-char beg) (org-agenda-skip) (setq str (buffer-substring-no-properties (point-at-bol) (if hdl-only (point-at-eol) end))) (mapc (lambda (wr) (when (string-match wr str) (goto-char (1- end)) (throw :skip t))) regexps-) (mapc (lambda (wr) (unless (string-match wr str) (goto-char (1- end)) (throw :skip t))) (if todo-only (cons (concat ^*+[ ]+ org-not-done-regexp) regexps+) regexps+)) (goto-char beg) (setq marker (org-agenda-new-marker (point)) category (org-get-category) category-pos (get-text-property (point) (quote org-category-position)) inherited-tags (or (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags (quote always)) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-show-inherited-tags) (and (eq org-agenda-show-inherited-tags t) (or (eq org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance t) (memq (quote todo) org-agenda-use-tag-inheritance tags (org-get-tags-at nil (not inherited-tags)) txt (org-agenda-format-item (buffer-substring-no-properties beg1 (point-at-eol)) category tags t)) (org-add-props txt props (quote org-marker) marker (quote org-hd-marker) marker (quote org-todo-regexp) org-todo-regexp (quote org-complex-heading-regexp) org-complex-heading-regexp (quote priority) 1000 (quote org-category) category (quote org-category-position) category-pos (quote type) search) (push txt ee) (goto-char (1- end (save-restriction (if org-agenda-restrict (narrow-to-region org-agenda-restrict-begin org-agenda-restrict-end) (widen)) (goto-char (point-min)) (unless (or (org-at-heading-p) (outline-next-heading)) (throw (quote nextfile) t)) (goto-char (max (point-min) (1- (point (while (re-search-forward regexp nil t) (org-back-to-heading t) (skip-chars-forward
Re: [O] org-plus-contrib-20121224 error [Solved]
On 26/12/12 19:15, Achim Gratz wrote: Am 25.12.2012 20:13, schrieb Alan L Tyree: I deleted and then reinstalled the package and everything is OK. But I have no idea what went wrong since agenda was working and then stopped with the installation of the new package. Well, I might have an idea what went wrong... the first install you did after you've already worked with orgmode in your Emacs or do you already load (some) orgmode stuff in your init file? Both. I had been working with orgmode, then made the install. I also load a small amount of orgmode in the init file. When the agenda didn't work, I quit emacs and then restarted, but the problem persisted. As I indicated, this happened on both my main machine and a laptop. I'm not sure what the sequence was on the laptop. Both machines made a miraculous recovery when I deleted the package and then installed it. Hope this helps. Alan Sorry for the noise. Not noise. It may have to be fixed in Emacs (resp. package manager) to properly work, though. -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-plus-contrib-20121224 error
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Alan, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Using the above package in emacs 24.2.1 on Debian Wheezy/Sid, I get an error when trying to call up the agenda with C-C a. The error is Invalid function: org-no-popups. Did you restart Emacs? Yes. And it is on two separate machines with slightly different configuations. Can you send a backtrace? I can if you give me a pointer as to how to do it. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Footnote disable sorting
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Alan, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: I'm using the elpa version of org-plus-contrib-20121224. After I learned how to apply patches (hangs head in shame!!), it solved all the problems that I had - sorting, renumbering, exporting all worked very well. Are you thinking of making this a general option? Yes, sure! Just need to have more time ahead to fix the tests and to double-check the code. This is fantastic, Bastien. It really makes org even more attractive as an authoring environment, at least for me. Great software! Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-plus-contrib-20121224 error [Solved]
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Alan, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Using the above package in emacs 24.2.1 on Debian Wheezy/Sid, I get an error when trying to call up the agenda with C-C a. The error is Invalid function: org-no-popups. Did you restart Emacs? Can you send a backtrace? I deleted and then reinstalled the package and everything is OK. But I have no idea what went wrong since agenda was working and then stopped with the installation of the new package. Sorry for the noise. -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] org-plus-contrib-20121224 error
On 26/12/12 06:56, Nick Dokos wrote: Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Alan, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Using the above package in emacs 24.2.1 on Debian Wheezy/Sid, I get an error when trying to call up the agenda with C-C a. The error is Invalid function: org-no-popups. Did you restart Emacs? Yes. And it is on two separate machines with slightly different configuations. Can you send a backtrace? I can if you give me a pointer as to how to do it. See section 1.4, Feedback, in the org manual. Thanks Nick. You guys are very patient with guys like me. Cheers, Alan Nick -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Footnote disable sorting
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Alan, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: Thanks Bastien. You're welcome... My real problem is that plain footnotes such as [1930] are a general nuisance to me since so many legal citations use that form. I am using a hack suggested by Jan Bocker to disable them, perform some operation and then un hack the hack. Sorry to ask the obvious, but from your message I'm not sure you tried to remove the footnotes from the list of activated links. I'm curious to know what problem it does not solve for you! Thanks for any follow-up, Hi Bastien, Sorry I wasn't clear. I did try removing the footnotes from the list of activated links. My problem is really different: When I try to sort footnotes with C-u C-c C-x f s all my legal citations such as: See Golodetz Co Inc v Czarnikow-Rionda Co Inc (The Galatia) [1979] 2 Lloyd's Rep 450 produce new footnotes: [1979] DEFINITION NOT FOUND: 1979 As I said, I can live with this thanks to hacks suggested on this list, but it seems that I am always running into the problem in contexts that require new functions or macros. I'm not much of a programmer, but I was looking for some simple way to disable those pesky plain footnotes for *all* purposes. Thanks for you interest in this, and have a good Christmas! Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Footnote disable sorting
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Alan, if you can, please test this patch against current maint branch. All tests don't pass fine, so I'll have to work on this a bit more but I think it's an improvement, as it doesn't treat [1] as a footnote when `org-footnote-auto-label' is t (the default.) Let me know, thanks! Hi Bastien, I'm using the elpa version of org-plus-contrib-20121224. After I learned how to apply patches (hangs head in shame!!), it solved all the problems that I had - sorting, renumbering, exporting all worked very well. Are you thinking of making this a general option? Thanks so much! Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] org-plus-contrib-20121224 error
Using the above package in emacs 24.2.1 on Debian Wheezy/Sid, I get an error when trying to call up the agenda with C-C a. The error is Invalid function: org-no-popups. Regards, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Footnote disable sorting
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Alan, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com writes: This works for export, but it would be nice if plain footnotes were disabled entirely. You can set `org-activate-links' so that footnotes are not recognized as links anymore: (setq org-activate-links '(bracket angle plain radio tag date)) HTH, Thanks Bastien. My real problem is that plain footnotes such as [1930] are a general nuisance to me since so many legal citations use that form. I am using a hack suggested by Jan Bocker to disable them, perform some operation and then un hack the hack. The hack is: replace [ with [ and a non-printing space when [ begins a plain footnote. The trouble is that I need to define new functions or macros for each general footnote operation. I think I misunderstood the purpose of f:nil in the options line. Thanks for your help. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Org Writer's room
On 06/12/12 11:22, Rasmus wrote: Andrew Hyatt ahy...@gmail.com writes: This sounds like an interesting project. My advice is to make a few screenshots that give people an idea what you are working towards. Of course, they could be completely fake, but it would be helpful to understand for people like me who haven't used Scrivener. I would also like to see this. It sounds nice when I read your description, but I still don't fully appreciate the idea. –Rasmus I'm also very interested. I haven't used Scrivener -- what features do you see as making org a *way* better writing environment? Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Footnote disable sorting
Hi Orgers, According to the manual, #+OPTIONS: f:nil should turn on/off footnotes like this[1]. This works for export, but it would be nice if plain footnotes were disabled entirely. My problem is that doing a footnote sort C-u C-C C-X s generates a whole lot of unwanted footnotes of the form [2006] etc. All of my footnotes are of the form [fn:N], but the aforementioned [2006] appears in references to law reports. Is there some way that plain footnotes can be disabled for all purposes? Thanks for any help. Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] hiding footnotes
SNIP
Hiding footnotes would be a great enhancement as far as I am concerned.
I mean hiding in the same way that entities can be hidden in Auctec.
Auctec allows a fold mode that replaces various entities with user
defined symbols. For example, \label{xxx} becomes [l]; \footnote{}
becomes [f]. The folded symbols are in a different face (customisable).
Entities to be hidden can be user defined, so that new latex macros may
be hidden.
Folded objects expand when the cursor is put over them.
The fold mode dramatically increases readability of the raw manuscript,
particularly when there are long footnotes.
#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE
Documentary letters of credit are used primarily to facilitate
international trade.[fn:2: Kerr J famously called the documentary
letter of credit the crankshaft of modern trade and the lifeblood
of international commerce: RD Harbottle (Mercantile) Ltd v National
Westminster Bank Ltd 1978 QB 146 at 155.] The credit will ordinarily
be issued at the instigation of the purchaser of goods and the
beneficiary will be the seller. The credit will call for the
presentation of shipping documents, insurance policies and commercial
invoices along with other more specific documents.
#+END_EXAMPLE
becomes
#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE
Documentary letters of credit are used primarily to facilitate
international trade.[f] The credit will ordinarily
be issued at the instigation of the purchaser of goods and the
beneficiary will be the seller. The credit will call for the
presentation of shipping documents, insurance policies and commercial
invoices along with other more specific documents.
#+END_EXAMPLE
Cheers,
Alan
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Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] hiding footnotes
On 29/11/12 14:35, 42 147 wrote: I should add that Tyree's idea is what I was looking for originally (changing the face to the text font at least fixed readability). Ideally, instead of jumping to the footnote section, it would be collapsible / expandable, much like headings. Right now having a dedicated footnote section is better than having the footnote embedded in the body of the text as a giant distracting parenthesis. That is the worst functionality among the options here. I admit that I didn't know about the org-footnote-section variable. That helps a lot since many of my footnotes are long (awful legal tradition!). But I still like the in-line footnote with the ability to hide a la Auctex. I've got no idea how hard it would be to implement, and I certainly don't have the skills. I'm not complaining: org is the greatest thing since sliced bread! Thanks to everyone involved. Cheers, Alan SNIP -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Preprocessing on export
I need to run some functions before exporting. This used to work: (add-hook 'org-export-preprocess-hook 'alt/disable-plain-foonotes-and- allow-brackets-hack) but it has stopped. I also need to run some post export cleanup. I seemed to have missed some change and can't seem to turn it up. Can anyone direct me to the correct variables/hooks? Thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
[O] Bibliographic references
I feel like this should be googleable, but I'm not having much luck.
As Eric mentioned in a recent post, one of the nice things about
writing in org is that there is no need to worry about output format.
Except in one thing: How do I deal with bibliographic citations so that
the output is sensible in the different formats? How do I get \cite
{key} to export properly in XHTML and odt as well as in LaTeX?
Sorry if this is obvious to everybody else -- I'm stymied.
Cheers,
Alan
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Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
Re: [O] Bibliographic references
On 17/12/11 10:08:25, Nick Dokos wrote: Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Of course, this just handles the in-text part for formats other than LaTeX. LaTeX uses bibtex or biblatex to compile the list of references. I don't know how to accomplish this in ODT. For html, I export from Org-mode to LaTeX, then use tex4ht to convert to html. This leverages the bibtex capabilities and yields nicely formatted bibliographies in html. If libreoffice can import HTML, maybe the tex4ht way can work for ODT as well? I suppose going through tex4ht is one way, but, to say the least, it doesn't seem very elegant. LyX manages to produce XHTML directly without going through the tex procedure (though the Export - LyXHTML procedure) . I'm not sure how, but it even allows different citation styles to be ouput. This seems like an important problem if Org is going to be the mechanism for publishing both eBooks and printed books. The LyX people are working hard on getting a direct eBook exporter, but it would be so much nicer to be able to write directly in Org mode. I regret that I don't have the programming skills to work on the problem. It's always easy to sit back as a user and say Gee, this needs to be done. Cheers, Alan Nick -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 sip:172...@iptel.org
