Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Nicolas and everyone else, I'm sorry to say this but this email list has been the most disappointing experience for me. I asked a simple question and even provided the code for a possible solution. The answers I received included phrases like "can of worms", "little benefit" and "barely scratching the surface of the problem". And now you even wrote: I am still waiting for an answer to my question if the solution with "|-/" comments that I have proposed has any negative side effects... I already answered to that question, but you discarded my answer. This is not true! You did not answer my question! Without testing, you just _speculated_ that you expect problems with formulas and export. So I tested it myself. In my tests I did _not_ experience any problems with formulas and export. Why do you claim that I discarded your answer? I still think orgmode is great code and I would have loved to participate. However, given the way that you treat me here, I lost my motivation to work with you. Instead, I will have to modify my own *.el files. Good bye... Rolf -- --- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Eric, could you not simply use the / label and then have a comment in one of the existing columns, a column that is width restricted so that a large amount of text doesn't affect alignent? You can then use the special edit mode (C-c `) for long entries to see the full comment. Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I could do this and see something like this in emacs: |---+--+---+| | | <12> | || | | animal | size | number | |---+--+---+| | | gnus | big | 3 | | / | don't forg=> | || | | gnats| small | 1000 | |---+--+---+| The real contents of the file, however, would look very different: |---+--+---+| | | <12> | || | | animal | size | number | |---+--+---+| | | gnus | big | 3 | | / | don't forget to add elephants here: | || | | gnats| small | 1000 | |---+--+---+| Since I am sharing my table with several colleagues at work, it is important that the columns are really aligned in the file (not only when viewing the file in org-mode). Unfortunately, not all of my colleagues are using emacs... I am still waiting for an answer to my question if the solution with "|-/" comments that I have proposed has any negative side effects... Best regards Rolf -- --- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Nicolas, Allowing to comment anything is a can of worms I really don't want to open. Maybe you are misinterpreting what I wrote. I don't want to comment "anything". All I want is that a table line starting with "|-/" is not expanded to "|---+---+---|" on the next re-align. Instead, it should remain unchanged. It complicates a lot of code for little benefit. Well, regarding the benefit we seem to have different opinions. The table that I use for my work has 871 lines, 20 columns and a width of 234 characters. With such a big table, I would highly benefit from comment lines. Regarding the code, I already wrote a few lines for org-table-align adding this feature and I don't think it is too complicated. Sorry, but you're barely scratching the surface of the problem. It is quite possible that you are right. Indeed, there is a possibility that my addition has some negative side effects. To find out if this is really the case, I have written to this email list, asking for advise. Formulas don't handle these special lines, neither do exported tables. I don't understand why you say this. I have tested formulas and exporting, taking an example table from the manual and adding two comment lines. Everything still works fine: |---+-++++---+--| | | Student | Prob 1 | Prob 2 | Prob 3 | Total | Note | |---+-++++---+--| | ! | | P1 | P2 | P3 | Tot | | | # | Maximum | 10 | 15 | 25 |50 | 10.0 | | ^ | | m1 | m2 | m3 |mt | | |---+-++++---+--| |-/ students in Mr Miller's class: |---+-++++---+--| | # | Peter | 10 | 8 | 23 |41 | 8.2 | | # | Sam | 2 | 4 | 3 | 9 | 1.8 | |---+-++++---+--| |-/ students in Mr Smith's class: |---+-++++---+--| | # | Tom | 16 | 8 | 28 |52 | 10.4 | | # | Andy| 8 | 4 | 3 |15 | 3.0 | |---+-++++---+--| | | Average |||| 25.0 | | | ^ | ||||at | | | $ | max=50 |||| | | |---+-++++---+--| #+TBLFM: $6=vsum($P1..$P3)::$7=10*$Tot/$max;%.1f::$at=vmean(@-II..@-I);%.1f So I'm asking again: Does anyone see any negative side effects when my modification is introduced? It only prevents that a table line starting with "|-/" is expanded to "|---+---+---|" on a re-align. As mentioned in a previous post, if you want to test my modification, you can find it here: http://www.rolf-sander.net/tmp/org-table-align-new.el Best regards Rolf -- --- www.rolf-sander.net ---
[O] comment lines inside org tables
Hello, I need to put comments inside a very big table which then should basically looks like this: |+---+| | animal | size | number | |+---+| | gnus | big | 3 | # don't forget to add elephants here: | gnats | small | 1000 | |+---+| However, if I simply add a line in the middle of the table, org-tbl splits it into separate tables with different column widths: |+--+| | animal | size | number | |+--+| | gnus | big | 3 | # don't forget to add elephants here: | gnats | small | 1000 | |---+---+--| If I start the comment line with "|", the comment becomes an active part of the table and goes into the first column: |-+---+| | animal | size | number | |-+---+| | gnus| big | 3 | | don't forget to add elephants here: | || | gnats | small | 1000 | |-+---+| If I start the comment with "|-", it turns into a line separator and the comment text disappears. Any suggestions? Best regards Rolf -- --- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Nicolas, Try | | animal | size | number | | / | don't forget to add elephants here: | || Thanks for the suggestion. However, this won't help me very much. Even with the "/", the width of the "animal" column is expanded to the width of the comment, which can be very long. I could add a narrowing marker but I want to see the comments, not hide them. Best regards Rolf -- --- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
[O] Fwd: Re: Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello John, Use a footnote? It's just a temporary reminder right? No. Even though there are a few temporary reminders, most of the comment lines are permanent. They describe different blocks of lines. Sorry if my example was oversimplified. I thought presenting the full table (currently 871 lines, 20 columns and a width of 234 characters) would be too confusing. Maybe the following example is better: |---++| | animal| size | number | |---++| # mammals (see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal): | gnus | big| 3 | | elephants | very big | 1 | # insects (see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect): | gnats | small | 1000 | | flies | also small | 2000 | # other: | python| long | 2.7.12 | |---++| Is there a way to tell org-tbl to simply ignore a line, without converting it into |--+--+--| ? I'm flexible with respect to the comment character. In the example I chose "#" but anything else would be fine as well, for example "//" or "|#" or whatever... Best regards Rolf -- --- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
[O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello, I need to put comments inside a very big table which then should basically looks like this: |+---+| | animal | size | number | |+---+| | gnus | big | 3 | # don't forget to add elephants here: | gnats | small | 1000 | |+---+| However, if I simply add a line in the middle of the table, org-tbl splits it into separate tables with different column widths: |+--+| | animal | size | number | |+--+| | gnus | big | 3 | # don't forget to add elephants here: | gnats | small | 1000 | |---+---+--| If I start the comment line with "|", the comment becomes an active part of the table and goes into the first column: |-+---+| | animal | size | number | |-+---+| | gnus| big | 3 | | don't forget to add elephants here: | || | gnats | small | 1000 | |-+---+| If I start the comment with "|-", it turns into a line separator and the comment text disappears. Any suggestions? Best regards Rolf -- --- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
