[SUMMARY] #4 [[bbb:OrgMeetup]] on Wed, Dec 13, 19:00 UTC+3

[Ihor Radchenko]

Here is a short summary of the main discussion points (those that I
remember):

- We started late, and the meeting was a bit chaotic this time. But
  also a bit more relaxing as we just had a few people, with just me
  and Matt discussing ob-shell development towards the end.

- Sacha Chua mentioned her recent work on EmacsConf and blog posts on
  automating video uploads to YouTube and Toobnix from Elisp:
  - 
https://sachachua.com/blog/2023/12/updating-youtube-videos-via-the-youtube-data-api-using-emacs-lisp-and-url-http-oauth/
  - 
https://sachachua.com/blog/2023/12/emacsconf-backstage-making-a-play-list-checking-it-twice/
  - 
https://sachachua.com/blog/2023/12/emacsconf-backstage-using-spookfox-to-publish-youtube-and-toobnix-video-drafts/
- She also hinted that she has many Emacs-related ideas accumulated over
  the busy recent years waiting to be tried. ... The old good PIM debt:
  https://karl-voit.at/Nobodys-PIM-is-perfect/
- Me, kickingvegas, and exc (matt) [ob-shell maintainer] discussed
  about using Org mode on mobile
  - We have a number of Android, iOS, and web apps these days:
- Emacs master has experimental Android support; one can use Org mode 
natively on Android
  - Serious usage is easier with USB-C or bluetooth keyboard though
  - But one can hack around toolbar to, for example, read through
the notes and execute code blocks
- https://beorgapp.com/
- https://xenodium.com/an-ios-journaling-app-powered-by-org-plain-text/
- recent https://github.com/Artawower/orgnote
  - This one is promising (although early in development) as it aims for
1. org-roam-ui interface for android and web (in future, for iOS)
2. crdt-inspired synchronization for more accurate conflict resolution
   - see https://emacsconf.org/2023/talks/collab/ for how powerful crdt 
can be
   - https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/crdt.html
- kickingvegas mentioned that using mobile phone for taking notes
  in Org is not yet ideal - the existing apps do not have the
  state-of-art UI
- mobile Org apps are still handy when one needs to get access to
  agenda view/calendar/quick notes on-the-go
- Someone implemented ncurses interface for Org mode: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgYhuPgbp3s
  - Not clear why it should be better than terminal Emacs, but crazy
times ... (we did not actually watch the video though XD)
- We discussed Org mode implementations outside Emacs - there are plenty
  - Multiple Org mode implementations for Vim/Neovim
- https://github.com/nvim-orgmode/orgmode 
(https://github.com/milisims/tree-sitter-org)
- https://github.com/jceb/vim-orgmode
- https://github.com/nvim-orgmode/orgmode
  - https://github.com/vscode-org-mode/vscode-org-mode
  - Github partially supports Org mode markup
  - Hugo (note: *not* ox-hugo, but the proper Hugo static blog generator) also 
supports Org mode natively
- https://gohugo.io/content-management/formats/
  - Hugo uses one of many Org mode parser libraries 
https://github.com/niklasfasching/go-org
  - That's why Org mode is moving towards more standard and stable syntax 
definition
- https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/871rjhha8t@gmail.com/
  (submit an IETF RFC to register Org as a MIME type)
- https://orgmode.org/worg/org-syntax.html
- There is also Karl Voit's idea about defining subsets of Org
  syntax for easier implementation
  - 
https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Orgdown-Levels.org
  - https://emacsconf.org/2021/talks/org-outside/
- I mentioned how I manage Org mode-related news from Reddit, blogs,
  Mastodon, and track development of Org mode-related libraries
  - In short, I simply use elfeed - https://github.com/skeeto/elfeed
  - Pretty much all the forges and forums provide RSS feeds that can be added 
to Elfeed
- Examples:
  https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam/commits.atom
  https://git.sr.ht/~bzg/worg/log/master/rss.xml
  https://gitlab.com/hperrey/org-jami-bot/-/commits/main?format=atom
  https://codeberg.org/martianh/mastodon.el.rss
  https://old.reddit.com/user/yantar92/.rss (user feed)
  https://old.reddit.com/r/orgmode/.rss (subreddit feed)
  https://planet.emacslife.com/atom.xml
  https://emacs.ch/@sachac.rss (user)
  https://emacs.ch/@emacs.rss (tracking everything tagged #emacs)
  - A note on RSS feeds for Mastodon: they do not have titles,
making it awkward to eyeball in Elfeed (they appear as empty
lines)
- I use a customization to swap contents and title for such feeds
  
https://github.com/yantar92/emacs-config/blob/master/config.org#custom-title-formatting
  - And when an RSS feed is not available, there is https://docs.rsshub.app/
(can be self-hosted in Docker)

- ob-shell maintainer shared his recent background work on
  lisp/ob-shell.el, in a form of Org notes. The notes may eventually
  be shared to public.
  - On

Re: #4 [[bbb:OrgMeetup]] on Wed, Dec 13, 19:00 UTC+3

[Ihor Radchenko]

Rudolf Adamkovič  writes:

> Ihor Radchenko  writes:
>
>> Time & Date: <2023-12-13 Wed 19:00-21:00 @+03,Europe/Istanbul>
>
> When I click on the timestamp above, Org says:
>
>   This should not happen
>
> Is that normal?

Yes, it is. Because Org timestamps do not yet allow time zone
specification.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at .
Support Org development at ,
or support my work at 

Re: #4 [[bbb:OrgMeetup]] on Wed, Dec 13, 19:00 UTC+3

[Rudolf Adamkovič]

Ihor Radchenko  writes:

> Time & Date: <2023-12-13 Wed 19:00-21:00 @+03,Europe/Istanbul>

When I click on the timestamp above, Org says:

  This should not happen

Is that normal?

Rudy
-- 
"Simplicity is complexity resolved."
--- Constantin Brâncuși, 1876-1957

Rudolf Adamkovič  [he/him]
Studenohorská 25
84103 Bratislava
Slovakia

#4 [[bbb:OrgMeetup]] on Wed, Dec 13, 19:00 UTC+3

[Ihor Radchenko]

Dear all,

Another OrgMeetup will be scheduled on the second Wednesday of December,
next week.

[  Last month was skipped due to EmacsConf and my  ]
[  https://emacsconf.org/2023/talks/gc/]

Previous meetup notes:
https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87edhtfpal.fsf@localhost/

URL: https://bbb.emacsverse.org/b/iho-h7r-qg8-led
Time & Date: <2023-12-13 Wed 19:00-21:00 @+03,Europe/Istanbul>
The room will be open half an hour before the official start.

During the meetup, we can:

- Give advice to new users
- Showcase Org configs or workflows
- Demo/discuss interesting packages
- Troubleshoot each-other's issues
- Discuss "Org mode" section of Emacs news (https://sachachua.com/blog/)
- Discuss anything else Org-related

Everyone is free to join the discussion/chat or lurk around silently,
listening.

We will _not_ do any recording by default.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at .
Support Org development at ,
or support my work at