Re: [O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data (was: Org-mode to feed a database)
On 2015-01-01, at 17:22, Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at wrote: * Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl wrote: On 2014-12-31, at 14:49, Ista Zahn istaz...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, google is very convenient. That's why they're so dangerous. In case you're survey data contains privacy-related sensible data, you can not use Google anyhow - I do think that there's no need to mention this explicitly in this community. Yes, but not only this. You get accustomed to a nice service, like Google Reader, and then boom! and it disappears. How could one rely on Gmail now? (Disclaimer: I use neither, i.e., I /do/ use Gmail, but not for critical stuff. Anecdote: I used to use my private mail account for one particular purpose, but when people I exchanged email with started to send me scanned documents in pretty high resolution /and in bmp format/, I decided it's time to switch to Gmail...) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: On 2015-01-01, at 17:22, Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at wrote: * Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl wrote: On 2014-12-31, at 14:49, Ista Zahn istaz...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, google is very convenient. That's why they're so dangerous. In case you're survey data contains privacy-related sensible data, you can not use Google anyhow - I do think that there's no need to mention this explicitly in this community. Yes, but not only this. You get accustomed to a nice service, like Google Reader, and then boom! and it disappears. How could one rely on Gmail now? Well - you can't rely on anyone else beyond that which they're contractually (or statutorily) obliged to provide (and even then they might go out of business). But you can pull all your email out of gmail via pop or imap, so it's not like you'll lose your emails. At worst you'd lose your email address (although if you register a domain name then you can keep your email address and still use gmail for as long as it's there and some other provider later). On the privacy point, you can send encrypted data via non-secure email providers.
Re: [O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data (was: Org-mode to feed a database)
* Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl wrote: On 2014-12-31, at 14:49, Ista Zahn istaz...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, google is very convenient. That's why they're so dangerous. In case you're survey data contains privacy-related sensible data, you can not use Google anyhow - I do think that there's no need to mention this explicitly in this community. -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
[O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data (was: Org-mode to feed a database)
* Vikas Rawal vikasli...@agrarianresearch.org wrote: But there would be many interesting things one could do in an emacs/org-based solution. My biggest worry is that it would require continuous training of people coming in to enter data. I think you can differ between the data entry platform and the platform where you analyze the data. You do have to train people using Emacs/Org-mode as well. When I was a researcher, I used SurveyMonkey for my surveys. It's open source and web-based. You get the data in CSV files AFAIR. I also tested Google Drive (spreadsheet) forms which were very easy to set up. However, the person filling out the survey needs a Google Drive account. The results were exported in various formats AFAIR. So, choosing a well known interface type (web-based forms) for end-users and choosing a separate power-tool for analysis (R, Org-mode, ...) is not a bad idea IMHO. -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data (was: Org-mode to feed a database)
On Dec 31, 2014 5:38 AM, Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at wrote: * Vikas Rawal vikasli...@agrarianresearch.org wrote: But there would be many interesting things one could do in an emacs/org-based solution. My biggest worry is that it would require continuous training of people coming in to enter data. I think you can differ between the data entry platform and the platform where you analyze the data. You do have to train people using Emacs/Org-mode as well. When I was a researcher, I used SurveyMonkey for my surveys. It's open source and web-based. You get the data in CSV files AFAIR. No, I don't believe surveymonkey is open source. Perhaps you are thinking of limesurvey? I also tested Google Drive (spreadsheet) forms which were very easy to set up. However, the person filling out the survey needs a Google Drive account. No, that is not true. You don't need a google account to fill in a Google drive form. The results were exported in various formats AFAIR. So, choosing a well known interface type (web-based forms) for end-users and choosing a separate power-tool for analysis (R, Org-mode, ...) is not a bad idea IMHO. I agree that doing it in emacs doesn't make sense from a productivity standpoint. The only reason to do something like this in emacs is because it would be cool and increase your geek cred. Best, Ista -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data (was: Org-mode to feed a database)
* Ista Zahn istaz...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 31, 2014 5:38 AM, Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at wrote: When I was a researcher, I used SurveyMonkey for my surveys. It's open source and web-based. You get the data in CSV files AFAIR. No, I don't believe surveymonkey is open source. Perhaps you are thinking of limesurvey? Yes, absolutely true. I mixed them up - sorry for that. It was https://www.limesurvey.org with a local installation. I also tested Google Drive (spreadsheet) forms which were very easy to set up. However, the person filling out the survey needs a Google Drive account. No, that is not true. You don't need a google account to fill in a Google drive form. Really? I was not able to do so. Probably I have to re-try it again. In case this is true, then I'd got for Google Drive forms because of the very easy handling! The results were exported in various formats AFAIR. ... and I guess everything we need here is CSV :-) Thanks for your correction! -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data (was: Org-mode to feed a database)
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at wrote: * Ista Zahn istaz...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 31, 2014 5:38 AM, Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at wrote: When I was a researcher, I used SurveyMonkey for my surveys. It's open source and web-based. You get the data in CSV files AFAIR. No, I don't believe surveymonkey is open source. Perhaps you are thinking of limesurvey? Yes, absolutely true. I mixed them up - sorry for that. It was https://www.limesurvey.org with a local installation. I also tested Google Drive (spreadsheet) forms which were very easy to set up. However, the person filling out the survey needs a Google Drive account. No, that is not true. You don't need a google account to fill in a Google drive form. Really? I was not able to do so. Probably I have to re-try it again. I've never had a problem with this--for example http://j.mp/1zvWP1G should work without signing into google. In case this is true, then I'd got for Google Drive forms because of the very easy handling! Yes, google is very convenient. The results were exported in various formats AFAIR. ... and I guess everything we need here is CSV :-) Thanks for your correction! -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] Conducting end user surveys and analyze data (was: Org-mode to feed a database)
On 2014-12-31, at 14:49, Ista Zahn istaz...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, google is very convenient. That's why they're so dangerous. Regards, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University
