Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:44:03 +1030 Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Not with BBDB, either version. I have 760 contacts in BBDB. That's good to hear. Thank you. You can have any number of simple fields labelled whatever you want. I am not sure if you can define new structured ones (like addresses, I mean). I don't stress BBDB too much... Well, for instance I'd want to keep: date-of-birth, place-of-birth, time-of-birth for my clients? Sincerely, Gour -- Even the intelligent are bewildered in determining what is action and what is inaction. Now I shall explain to you what action is, knowing which you shall be liberated from all misfortune. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
Gour, I see that you have posted on the bbdb mailing list so I suggest we move this discussion there where you will find plenty of people able to help! We're well OT with respect to org related discussion now... cheers, eric -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.3.50.1 and Org release_7.9.3d-826-gbe0d87
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:34:58 +1030 Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: I use bbdb3; never got to grips with org-contacts and I have too many contacts in any case. No performance issues? bbdb3 provides a subtle improvement to bbdb2: better more logical key bindings and less surprising behaviour overall. I like it. Does bbdb3 provide more freedom to have some custom fields in my contacts structure? Org will interpret the anniversary (e.g. birthdays, wedding anniversary, other dates) field in bbdb entries to bring in information into the agenda view, if desired. Look at =org-bbdb-anniversary-format-alist=. Thank you for that. I wasn't aware of it. I am a confirmed gnus user. No other email system comes close to doing what gnus can do. Given the large volume of email I get, splitting and scoring are essential to survival! Integration with bbdb is also obviously key for me. I also decided to use Gnus, but, atm, have some problem with its setup. The funny thing is that I use it in the past, but forgot some things in the meantime. :-) Sincerely, Gour -- As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
Hi Gour, Eric S Fraga writes: Gour g...@atmarama.net writes: Do you use bbdb3 and what are important things it brings over bbdb2? Org will interpret the anniversary (e.g. birthdays, wedding anniversary, other dates) field in bbdb entries to bring in information into the agenda view, if desired. Look at =org-bbdb-anniversary-format-alist=. I could never get this to work satisfactorily, I can either see birthdays or wedding anniversaries in the agenda but not both. Have you, maybe, tried mu4e or should I simply stick with proven Gnus? I used to use gnus but changed to mu4e. My gnus broke during the change to emacs24 and I couldn't find the help out there to fix it. Mu4e has good documentation and a very helpful developer. It was very easy to change to mu4e. If I had a very high volume of emails I would consider having another go at gnus. Myles
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:04:28 + Myles English mylesengl...@gmail.com wrote: I used to use gnus but changed to mu4e. My gnus broke during the change to emacs24 and I couldn't find the help out there to fix it. Mu4e has good documentation and a very helpful developer. It was very easy to change to mu4e. The problem is that mu4e does not handle nntp and 95% of the mailing lists I follow I do via gmane, so mu4e cannot solve all my mail-related tasks. Sincerely, Gour -- He is a perfect yogī who, by comparison to his own self, sees the true equality of all beings, in both their happiness and their distress, O Arjuna! http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
I am a confirmed gnus user. No other email system comes close to doing what gnus can do. Given the large volume of email I get, splitting and scoring are essential to survival! Integration with bbdb is also obviously key for me. Slightly offtopic, but I'm a Mutt user that's eyeballed Gnus from a distance for years. Could you elaborate on some of your favorite Gnus features? -- Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint:1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes: I am a confirmed gnus user. No other email system comes close to doing what gnus can do. Given the large volume of email I get, splitting and scoring are essential to survival! Integration with bbdb is also obviously key for me. Slightly offtopic, but I'm a Mutt user that's eyeballed Gnus from a distance for years. Could you elaborate on some of your favorite Gnus features? He named it, splitting and scoring. The ability to easily mark a whole thread as important or unimportant combined with expunged is (imo) essential to manage large volume of email. The expunge facility let me hide threads; when a message is expunged it is not only marked as read, it just doesn't appear at all unless I specifically ask otherwise. OTOH when the score of a thread is increased, all messages in this thread (old and new) will appear in bold. -- Daimrod/Greg pgp3UwPkLdLKl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
Gour g...@atmarama.net writes: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:34:58 +1030 Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: I use bbdb3; never got to grips with org-contacts and I have too many contacts in any case. No performance issues? Not with BBDB, either version. I have 760 contacts in BBDB. bbdb3 provides a subtle improvement to bbdb2: better more logical key bindings and less surprising behaviour overall. I like it. Does bbdb3 provide more freedom to have some custom fields in my contacts structure? You can have any number of simple fields labelled whatever you want. I am not sure if you can define new structured ones (like addresses, I mean). I don't stress BBDB too much... I also decided to use Gnus, but, atm, have some problem with its setup. Maybe post on the gnus mailing list? Very helpful group. -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.3.50.1 and Org release_7.9.3d-821-g35204a
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:34:58 +1030 Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: I use bbdb3; never got to grips with org-contacts and I have too many contacts in any case. No performance issues? bbdb3 provides a subtle improvement to bbdb2: better more logical key bindings and less surprising behaviour overall. I like it. Does bbdb3 provide more freedom to have some custom fields in my contacts structure? Org will interpret the anniversary (e.g. birthdays, wedding anniversary, other dates) field in bbdb entries to bring in information into the agenda view, if desired. Look at =org-bbdb-anniversary-format-alist=. Thank you for that. I wasn't aware of it. I am a confirmed gnus user. No other email system comes close to doing what gnus can do. Given the large volume of email I get, splitting and scoring are essential to survival! Integration with bbdb is also obviously key for me. I also decided to use Gnus, but, atm, have some problem with its setup. The funny thing is that I use it in the past, but forgot some things in the meantime. :-) Sincerely, Gour -- Bewildered by the modes of material nature, the ignorant fully engage themselves in material activities and become attached. But the wise should not unsettle them, although these duties are inferior due to the performers' lack of knowledge. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
Gour g...@atmarama.net writes: Do you use bbdb3 and what are important things it brings over bbdb2? I use bbdb3; never got to grips with org-contacts and I have too many contacts in any case. bbdb3 provides a subtle improvement to bbdb2: better more logical key bindings and less surprising behaviour overall. I like it. Org will interpret the anniversary (e.g. birthdays, wedding anniversary, other dates) field in bbdb entries to bring in information into the agenda view, if desired. Look at =org-bbdb-anniversary-format-alist=. Have you, maybe, tried mu4e or should I simply stick with proven Gnus? I am a confirmed gnus user. No other email system comes close to doing what gnus can do. Given the large volume of email I get, splitting and scoring are essential to survival! Integration with bbdb is also obviously key for me. -- : Eric S Fraga, GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D : in Emacs 24.3.50.1 and Org release_7.9.3a-808-gf94d81
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
Gour g...@atmarama.net writes: But I certainly like the org-mode format much much much better than bbdb(3). Which I'm still using, unfortunately. Do you use bbdb3 and what are important things it brings over bbdb2? I do, and not much. Slightly better highlighting and redefined set of key bindings and thoughts (IE, you need to re-learn stuff too though). Have you, maybe, tried mu4e or should I simply stick with proven Gnus? I have tried at times to switch away from gnus. Every time I do, I come running back because it's let me customize how I read mail over the years and the features integrated into it are just not found everywhere else. -- Wes Hardaker My Pictures: http://capturedonearth.com/ My Thoughts: http://pontifications.hardakers.net/
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:08:15 -0800 Wes Hardaker wjhns...@hardakers.net wrote: I do, and not much. Slightly better highlighting and redefined set of key bindings and thoughts (IE, you need to re-learn stuff too though). Thank you. I have tried at times to switch away from gnus. Every time I do, I come running back because it's let me customize how I read mail over the years and the features integrated into it are just not found everywhere else. This is helpful...I believe I'll do the same. :-) Sincerely, Gour -- Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion — at that time I descend Myself. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
Gour g...@atmarama.net writes: Based on this description it seems that org-contacts is more suitable for the task than BBDB(3) offering ability to have custom format, easy editing of contacts etc., but I do wonder about scalability considering the following post (http://www.hardakers.net/code/bbdb-to-org-contacts/) where the author of bbdb-to-org-contacts converter wrote: Once I point org-contacts at my newly generated file containing 831 records it make org-contacts really really slow down. I wouldn't care about the normal record searching process for just looking something up, but it makes loading a message in gnus unusable (5 second delay per message). FYI, I tried (again) to use org-contacts a while back and still see the same speed problems. It's great for small contacts, but not for large. I think what would be needed would be to read the file and store it in an elisp structure and then just stat() the file every time a lookup happened and if it hasn't changed, then use the elisp or else reparse. It's not like the data should be changing *that* much so it shouldn't need to be reread a lot. And it's the parsing/searching that takes too long. But I certainly like the org-mode format much much much better than bbdb(3). Which I'm still using, unfortunately. -- Wes Hardaker My Pictures: http://capturedonearth.com/ My Thoughts: http://pontifications.hardakers.net/
Re: [O] OBBDB(3) or org-contacts
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:16:41 -0800 Wes Hardaker wjhns...@hardakers.net wrote: FYI, I tried (again) to use org-contacts a while back and still see the same speed problems. It's great for small contacts, but not for large. :-( I think what would be needed would be to read the file and store it in an elisp structure and then just stat() the file every time a lookup happened and if it hasn't changed, then use the elisp or else reparse. It's not like the data should be changing *that* much so it shouldn't need to be reread a lot. And it's the parsing/searching that takes too long. I'm just starting (again) with Emacs/orgmode and I plan to learn some elisp eventually, but not there (yet). But I certainly like the org-mode format much much much better than bbdb(3). Which I'm still using, unfortunately. Do you use bbdb3 and what are important things it brings over bbdb2? Have you, maybe, tried mu4e or should I simply stick with proven Gnus? Sincerely, Gour -- For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends; but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest enemy. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
