[O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word (was: How to integrate org-mode in a MS Windows-/Office-based environment?)
* Luis Anaya papoan...@hotmail.com wrote: There have been a list of good suggestions of integrating org-mode with MS products. [...] Using HTML for export is a good way to transfer content as has been suggested. I am a bit puzzled. I thought that using the ODF-exporter would be the format of choice to get content from Org to Word. Why do you guys prefer HTML? -- Karl Voit
Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word (was: How to integrate org-mode in a MS Windows-/Office-based environment?)
Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at Inviato: Sabato 14 Luglio 2012 11:56 Hi, Karl, * Luis Anaya papoan...@hotmail.com wrote: Using HTML for export is a good way to transfer content as has been suggested. I thought that using the ODF-exporter would be the format of choice to get content from Org to Word. Why do you guys prefer HTML? A reason could be (in my case) because we cannot have LibreOffice installed :-( But you're right in remembering me that write (and perhaps word?) can read odf files. I will try odf, thanks! cheers, Giovanni
Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word
Hello Giovanni! * Giovanni Ridolfi giovanni.rido...@yahoo.it wrote: Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at I thought that using the ODF-exporter would be the format of choice to get content from Org to Word. Why do you guys prefer HTML? A reason could be (in my case) because we cannot have LibreOffice installed :-( No need to do that. (Besides: there are portable-versions of LibreOffice[1] so that you can install LibreOffice on any operating system having any kind of reduced permissions. But this is not my point.) But you're right in remembering me that write (and perhaps word?) can read odf files. I will try odf, thanks! Yes, this was the thing I wanted to mention: Word is able to read in ODF. And since ODF has a *way* more similar kind of markup to docx, it should result in much better results than using HTML. But: I never tried it by myself. So I was wondering, if there are good arguments against using ODF in the first place and using HTML as best choice. 1. http://duckduckgo.com/?q=libreoffice+portable -- Karl Voit
Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word
If one does ORG-HTML-DOC instead of ORG-ODT-DOC, following areas could be problemsome. - Footnotes - Inlined images - do they end up right within the document or outside of it. See: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.5#ODF_1.2_Conforming_Documents https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44498 , | Microsoft Office 2010 will complain that ODF 1.2 and extended documents | written by LibreOffice 3.5 are invalid (but opens them still). This is a | shortcoming in MSO2010 only supporting ODF 1.1, please see here for | further details. | | ODF 1.2 Conforming Documents | | LibreOffice 3.5 writes valid ODF 1.2 | | Microsoft Office only officially supports ODF 1.1 and complains that | ODF 1.2 and ODF 1.2 extended documents written by LibreOffice 3.5 | are invalid. | | The warning from Microsoft Office can be safely ignored, and the | Repair option will import the document. | | For users that find this annoying, a workaround is to open | Tools-Options-Load/Save-General and set ODF format version to | 1.0/1.1. However, please note that this will cause some | information to be lost when storing documents. ` Instead of importing ODT documents right inside Microsoft Office, one can have LibreOffice do the ODT-DOC(X) conversion and import the LO created DOC(X) file in to Microsoft Office. For creating DOC/DOCX/PDF files right from Org see Info node with following title: (org) Extending ODT export. ps: I have not used MS Word at all. --
Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word
For people taking ORG-ODT-Microsoft Office they might want to give particular attention to the formatting of - Lists - Tables in the imported document. My best guess is import will be troublefree for the most part. Only issues could be around the import of customized tables. i.e., tables created with Info node: (org) Customizing tables in ODT export. --
Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word
* Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of importing ODT documents right inside Microsoft Office, one can have LibreOffice do the ODT-DOC(X) conversion and import the LO created DOC(X) file in to Microsoft Office. As a side-mark to your great comments: LibreOffice (and OpenOffice.org) is able to convert documents from command line without having the need for opening them, invoking a save-as-process, choosing a different format, and closing it. If somebody needs to do (semi-automatically) conversions, take a look into the command line option --convert-to. For creating DOC/DOCX/PDF files right from Org see Info node with following title: (org) Extending ODT export. Cool :-) ps: I have not used MS Word at all. Never? Really? Wow ... Lucky you! I once met a guy who was working in the IT industry since the seventies and he never ever used MS Windows in his life. Impressive. (His source code was completely crap but this is another story *g*) -- Karl Voit
Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word
Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes: * Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of importing ODT documents right inside Microsoft Office, one can have LibreOffice do the ODT-DOC(X) conversion and import the LO created DOC(X) file in to Microsoft Office. As a side-mark to your great comments: LibreOffice (and OpenOffice.org) is able to convert documents from command line without having the need for opening them, invoking a save-as-process, choosing a different format, and closing it. If somebody needs to do (semi-automatically) conversions, take a look into the command line option --convert-to. M-x pp-eval-expresssion RET org-export-odt-convert-processes RET will you give you this. Note the first entry. , C-h v org-export-odt-convert-processes | ((LibreOffice soffice --headless --convert-to %f%x --outdir %d %i) |(unoconv unoconv -f %f -o %d %i)) ` --
Re: [O] Using HTML or ODF to get content from Org to Word
emacs-orgmode-requ...@gnu.org writes: I am a bit puzzled. I thought that using the ODF-exporter would be the format of choice to get content from Org to Word. Why do you guys prefer HTML? The following is my opinion why I prefer using HTML to ODF for transfer to Word, but there is no reason for not using ODF for transfer files. It is more a matter of personal taste than anything else. 1. Mature support for HTML import on Word. ODF import was included in Office 2007 as an option. But HTML support has been available since Office 2000. (probably since Office '98, but it's been a while since I used that one). If you do not have the ODF facility installed in Word or if you're stuck with an older version of Office then you have to convert to Word using Libre/Open Office. That's an extra step and more conversion errors to add to the final result. 2. Less nuances to worry about. HTML is clean and a plain ASCII format at the expense of size. I am not familiar with ODF's internal structure, but I've worked on the generation of MS Open Office XML documents at work. Even though it's an XML format, there are sometimes difference in the positioning of elemements when documents are created in Word vs when they are created through a program using the MSOOXML libraries. One issue I had during testing was the inclusion of images in which they get installed on a different nodes if the document is created through the .NET API. These causes images not to show up in LibreOffice or AbiWord to crash. However they render fine in Word. My 2 cents... -- Luis Anaya papo anaya aroba hot mail punto com Do not use 100 words if you can say it in 10 - Yamamoto Tsunetomo
