Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Neil Smithline writes: > On 4/27 08:09 , Stephen Eglen wrote: >> A relatively new emacs mailer, mu4e, is worth mentioning: >> >> http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html >> >> I really like it so far + it has support for org mode links. > > Stephen, > > I didn't know about mu4e. I've played around with mu in the past and thought > it > was very cool but couldn't really work it into my daily workflow. mu4e seems > to > handle that. > > Are the directions at > http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/Gmail-configuration.html really all it > takes to get this running? If so, I'm definitely going to give it a > whirl. That looks incredibly complicated compared to gnus which supports really fast and good direct imap connections. Offlineimap and then serving up as maildir can get really messy if you have more than one gmail account. Obviously if you want a local email cache offline imap is great combined with something like a local dovecot - I had this setup for a while until I started to consider the possible ramifications of losing my laptop and my entire lifes emails being present on that hard drive ;) The other issue being the plainttext storage of your gmail password although I believe there must be some way of obfuscating that. Gnus and its use of .gpg auth files is pretty reassuring. > > Neil Smithline > http://www.neilsmithline.com > Proud GNU Emacs user since 1986, v. 18.24. > > > > -- Sent using Emacs/Gnus from home ...
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
On søn 29 apr 2012 02:45:54 CEST, Neil Smithline wrote: > On 4/27 08:09 , Stephen Eglen wrote: > > A relatively new emacs mailer, mu4e, is worth mentioning: > > > > http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html > > > > I really like it so far + it has support for org mode links. > > Stephen, > > I didn't know about mu4e. I've played around with mu in the past and > thought it was very cool but couldn't really work it into my daily > workflow. mu4e seems to handle that. > > Are the directions at > http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/Gmail-configuration.html really > all it takes to get this running? If so, I'm definitely going to give it > a whirl. > > Neil Smithline > http://www.neilsmithline.com > Proud GNU Emacs user since 1986, v. 18.24. > > I have been through WL, gnus, mutt and I haven't really been satisfied with any of them. But then I tried mu4e, and I really like it. What I particularly like is the search function, the interface as well as the org-mode integration, and it's pretty easy to set up! Mikkel Kristiansen
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Guys, very nice thread -- I can't wait to have a new computer (mine is a Thinkpad X61... nearly 5 years old!) and play with all this. Also nice to have Dirk on this list! Keep up the good work and let us know about other org/mu[4e] niceties. Cheers, -- Bastien
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
hi Neil > Are the directions at > http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/Gmail-configuration.html really > all it takes to get this running? If so, I'm definitely going to give it > a whirl. yes, check out that subsection for Gmail, or the earlier part of the manual for other configs. If you previously got mu working, and your email is under ~/Maildir you should find that something like: (add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/mu4e/") (autoload 'mu4e "mu4e" "Start mu4e" t) is all you need. Give it a go. If you liked mu, I think you'll like mu4e; Dirk's doing a great job! Stephen
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
On 4/27 08:09 , Stephen Eglen wrote: A relatively new emacs mailer, mu4e, is worth mentioning: http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html I really like it so far + it has support for org mode links. Stephen, I didn't know about mu4e. I've played around with mu in the past and thought it was very cool but couldn't really work it into my daily workflow. mu4e seems to handle that. Are the directions at http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e/Gmail-configuration.html really all it takes to get this running? If so, I'm definitely going to give it a whirl. Neil Smithline http://www.neilsmithline.com Proud GNU Emacs user since 1986, v. 18.24.
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Hi Rasmus, >> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:28:00 +0100, Rasmus said: > Eric Fraga writes: >> Rasmus writes: > As this is becoming somewhat of a dovecot thread I've got a > question: > Often, after resuming the computer from standby, say, Gnus looses > the connection to Dovecot. I have to press `g' three times it > updates mail group and each time I must wait for it to time out. > Has anyone found a solution to this bothersome issue? This doesn't happen to me but I notice that my config is slightly different: ;; tell gnus not to fetch mail (setq mail-sources nil) ;; we are only using email (setq gnus-nntp-server nil gnus-read-active-file nil gnus-save-newsrc-file nil gnus-read-newsrc-file nil gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil) ;; fetching email (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "mainMail" (nnimap-address "localhost") (nnimap-stream network) (nnimap-authinfo-file "/home/myles/.authinfoMainMail") (nnimap-authenticator login) (imap-shell-program "MAIL=maildir:/home/myles/Maildir/otherMail /usr/lib/dovecot/imap"))) (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnimap "otherMail" (nnimap-address "localhost") (nnimap-stream network) (nnimap-authinfo-file "/home/myles/.authinfoOtherMail") (nnimap-authenticator login) (imap-shell-program "MAIL=maildir:/home/myles/Maildir/otherMail /usr/lib/dovecot/imap")) > Thanks, Rasmus > -- Hooray! Myles
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Stephen Eglen writes:
> A relatively new emacs mailer, mu4e, is worth mentioning:
>
> http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html
>
> I really like it so far + it has support for org mode links.
Thanks :)
If you're interested, in the guile/examples directory, there's a guile
script 'org2mu4e' that turns an arbitrary query into an org-mode file.
I.e., I am using this (from cron)
org2mu4e --tag=mu4e "maildir:/todo" > /home/djcb/Documents/org/mu4e.org
where '/todo' is my folder of mails I need to do something with (think
'NextAction' in GTD terms).
I use it to make a block agenda (i.e., `org-agenda-custom-commands');
this gives me a list of my agenda for today, my todo list, e-mail that
require some action, and a list of co
("x" "Overview for today"
( (agenda ""
((org-agenda-ndays 1)))
(todo "TODO"
((org-agenda-overriding-header "Tasks")
(org-agenda-todo-ignore-timestamp 1)
(org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled t)))
(tags "+mu4e"
((org-agenda-overriding-header "E-mail")
;; ---> this is the mu/guile generated org-file
(org-agenda-files '("/home/djcb/Documents/org/mu4e.org"))
(org-agenda-filter-preset nil)
---
which gives me something like the below, a nice overview of the things
to work on. The e-mail entries links to the actual messages in mu4e.
Day-agenda (W17):
Saturday 28 April 2012
misc: Sched.13x: APPT Get haircut
weekly: Sched. 1x: TODO Weekly Review [Link]
birthday: Kurt Gödel (106 years ago)
===
Tasks
task: TODO [#A] Fix bicycle
task: TODO [#B] get rid of old monitor
task: TODO [#C] visit dentist
===
E-mail
mu4e: "Can you endorse me?":mu4e::
mu4e: "Re: hi Dirk!" :mu4e::
mu4e: "Hi!":mu4e::
Best wishes,
Dirk.
--
Dirk-Jan C. Binnema Helsinki, Finland
e:d...@djcbsoftware.nl w:www.djcbsoftware.nl
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Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
RC writes: > Eric Fraga ucl.ac.uk> writes: >> >> I used to use offline-imap + dovecot when I used wl and things worked >> very well indeed. When I moved to gnus, I used the gnus agent which >> also now works very well (there was a period of instability a year or >> two ago). The gnus agent fully supports offline use (gnus-unplugged). >> > > Hi, > Would you mind sharing how you have the new version of gnus set up for email > and integration with org. Most of what I could find online seems to be based > on > earlier versions of gnus, and I found it difficult to extract the information > I > needed from the comprehensive gnus manual. > Thanks, > RC What kind of integration are you looking for? The main things you would probably want is simple and is documented under org links:- http://orgmode.org/manual/Handling-links.html
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Eric Fraga ucl.ac.uk> writes: > > I used to use offline-imap + dovecot when I used wl and things worked > very well indeed. When I moved to gnus, I used the gnus agent which > also now works very well (there was a period of instability a year or > two ago). The gnus agent fully supports offline use (gnus-unplugged). > Hi, Would you mind sharing how you have the new version of gnus set up for email and integration with org. Most of what I could find online seems to be based on earlier versions of gnus, and I found it difficult to extract the information I needed from the comprehensive gnus manual. Thanks, RC
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Rasmus writes: > Eric Fraga writes: > >> Rasmus writes: > > As this is becoming somewhat of a dovecot thread I've got a question: > > Often, after resuming the computer from standby, say, Gnus looses the > connection to Dovecot. I have to press `g' three times it updates mail > group and each time I must wait for it to time out. > > Has anyone found a solution to this bothersome issue? > > Thanks, > Rasmus Not sure but you could try going to the server list (^ from the Group buffer) and then hit O on the server you want to connect to? Alternatively, you might try (from the Group buffer) telling gnus to unplug (J j) and then plug back in (J j). I cannot verify that either of these will work as the problem might be with dovecot. You could try asking on the gnus mailing list? HTH, eric PS - by the way, my lines are all indented because between yesterday and today, something has changed in either gnus or org! Paragraph filling is working nicely in one sense but everything is indented more than I would like. Haven't explored the cause yet... -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.1.50.1 : using Org release_7.8.09-414-gb3e8a8
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Eric Fraga writes: > Rasmus writes: As this is becoming somewhat of a dovecot thread I've got a question: Often, after resuming the computer from standby, say, Gnus looses the connection to Dovecot. I have to press `g' three times it updates mail group and each time I must wait for it to time out. Has anyone found a solution to this bothersome issue? Thanks, Rasmus -- Hooray!
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Eric Schulte writes: > Myles English writes: > >> Matt, >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:47:40 -0400, Matt Price said: >> > So, I'm wondering what solutions other org users have settled >> > on. >> >> I use gnus, offline imap, dovecot, notmuch, msmtp, bbdb3. And >> org-mode >> capture including links to emails works fine. >> >> The end result is very good and stable through updates (I am using >> Arch >> Linux too) but I have to say though it did take a LOT of >> configurating. >> > > As a long-time user of gnus with imap my only complaints are the > inability to work offline and the relatively poor sorting rules of my > web-mail imap servers. It sounds like dovecot and offline-imap could > solve both of these problems. > > Was the offline-imap/dovecot combo difficult to configure? No. > Are there perhaps online instructions to which you could direct me? > FWIW I also use Arch as my OS. bash> sudo pacman -S dovecot in your mail config: #+begin_src emacs-lisp (setq my/imap-method `(nnimap "mail" (nnimap-stream shell) (nnimap-shell-program "MAIL=maildir:$HOME/mail /usr/lib/dovecot/imap"))) (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml "")) (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods my/imap-method) #+end_src this is setup is robust to no internet connection. Correct $HOME/mail to the proper mail dir. –Rasmus -- Enought with the bla bla!
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Stephen Eglen writes: > A relatively new emacs mailer, mu4e, is worth mentioning: > > http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html Somewhat surreal to bring up this page, look at the second screen shot and see my name on the first line! Not to mention the usual suspects from the org mailing list as well ;-). -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.1.50.1 : using Org release_7.8.09-406-g0233eb
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Eric Schulte writes: > As a long-time user of gnus with imap my only complaints are the > inability to work offline and the relatively poor sorting rules of my > web-mail imap servers. It sounds like dovecot and offline-imap could > solve both of these problems. I used to use offline-imap + dovecot when I used wl and things worked very well indeed. When I moved to gnus, I used the gnus agent which also now works very well (there was a period of instability a year or two ago). The gnus agent fully supports offline use (gnus-unplugged). -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.1.50.1 : using Org-mode version 7.8.09 (release_7.8.09-406-g0233eb @ /home/ucecesf/git/org-mode/lisp/org-install.el)
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Rasmus writes: > Matt Price writes: > >> I'd like to take one more shot at returning to text-based email within >> emacs, mostly because I want to be able to integrate mail easily into >> my org-mode workflow. > I used wl but switched to Gnus. ditto. > >> - wl causes emacs to freeze up when it checks or sends mail, and can >> take quite a long while to complete these operations > > I know of no solution to this. You could run a dedicated Gnus process > if it bothers you. This is what I do. I have two emacs instances running all times, one for email and one for everything else. The second one includes all org related stuff. As I do capture things in org from email (gnus), I do have to make sure that I save my org files frequently. There's no issue in terms of getting stuff lost as org does lock any modified but not saved files and the other emacs will prompt if you try to save something to an org file that has not been saved in other emacs. -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.1.50.1 : using Org-mode version 7.8.09 (release_7.8.09-406-g0233eb @ /home/ucecesf/git/org-mode/lisp/org-install.el)
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Myles English writes:
> Hi Eric,
>
>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:34:46 -0400, Eric Schulte said:
>
> > Myles English writes:
> >> I use gnus, offline imap, dovecot, notmuch, msmtp, bbdb3. And
> >> org-mode capture including links to emails works fine.
> >>
> >> The end result is very good and stable through updates
>
> Having said that I did have trouble with offlineimap 6.4-ish and so i am
> still on 6.3.3-1 but 6.5.2 is out so will give that a go soon.
>
> >> (I am using Arch Linux too) but I have to say though it did take a
> >> LOT of configurating.
> >>
>
> > As a long-time user of gnus with imap my only complaints are the
> > inability to work offline and the relatively poor sorting rules of
> > my web-mail imap servers. It sounds like dovecot and offline-imap
> > could solve both of these problems.
>
> > Was the offline-imap/dovecot combo difficult to configure?
>
> Mostly, it was not difficult, the one thing that was tricky was setting
> up dovecot to handle more than one account. I ended up doing this:
>
> # leave as the default setting
> mail_location = maildir:/home/myles/Maildir
>
> # specify a password file
> passdb {
> args = /etc/dovecot/passwd
> default_fields =
> deny = no
> driver = passwd-file
> master = no
> override_fields =
> pass = no
> }
>
> # in /etc/dovecot/passwd overide the maildir for each of my three accounts:
> mylesenglish:{plain}PASSWD_FOR_MYLES:1000:1000::/home/myles::userdb_mail=maildir:/home/myles/Maildir/mylesenglish
> rh:{plain}PASSWORD_FOR_RH:1000:1000::/home/myles::userdb_mail=maildir:/home/myles/Maildir/rh
> ed:{plain}PASSWORD_FOR_ED:1000:1000::/home/myles::userdb_mail=maildir:/home/myles/Maildir/ed
>
> > Are there perhaps online instructions to which you could direct me?
> > FWIW I also use Arch as my OS.
>
> I remember this was quite useful if a bit outdated, it is a bit skimpy on
> Dovecot though:
>
> http://roland.entierement.nu/blog/2010/09/08/gnus-dovecot-offlineimap-search-a-howto.html
>
> The command 'dovecot -a' is useful to dump your config to stout then you
> can easily tell what you have changed in between attempts.
>
Wonderful, thanks for the instructions, with any luck I'll be reading
and writing email from the train by this time next week.
>
> I imagine that because you are already /au fait/ with gnus you have
> half the battle won. If need be I can dump my whole config but then
> where is the fun in that?
>
No need, if I don't figure out at least some of the config myself I'll
not be able to maintain it later.
Thanks!
>
> Good luck.
>
> Myles
--
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Hi Eric,
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:34:46 -0400, Eric Schulte said:
> Myles English writes:
>> I use gnus, offline imap, dovecot, notmuch, msmtp, bbdb3. And
>> org-mode capture including links to emails works fine.
>>
>> The end result is very good and stable through updates
Having said that I did have trouble with offlineimap 6.4-ish and so i am
still on 6.3.3-1 but 6.5.2 is out so will give that a go soon.
>> (I am using Arch Linux too) but I have to say though it did take a
>> LOT of configurating.
>>
> As a long-time user of gnus with imap my only complaints are the
> inability to work offline and the relatively poor sorting rules of
> my web-mail imap servers. It sounds like dovecot and offline-imap
> could solve both of these problems.
> Was the offline-imap/dovecot combo difficult to configure?
Mostly, it was not difficult, the one thing that was tricky was setting
up dovecot to handle more than one account. I ended up doing this:
# leave as the default setting
mail_location = maildir:/home/myles/Maildir
# specify a password file
passdb {
args = /etc/dovecot/passwd
default_fields =
deny = no
driver = passwd-file
master = no
override_fields =
pass = no
}
# in /etc/dovecot/passwd overide the maildir for each of my three accounts:
mylesenglish:{plain}PASSWD_FOR_MYLES:1000:1000::/home/myles::userdb_mail=maildir:/home/myles/Maildir/mylesenglish
rh:{plain}PASSWORD_FOR_RH:1000:1000::/home/myles::userdb_mail=maildir:/home/myles/Maildir/rh
ed:{plain}PASSWORD_FOR_ED:1000:1000::/home/myles::userdb_mail=maildir:/home/myles/Maildir/ed
> Are there perhaps online instructions to which you could direct me?
> FWIW I also use Arch as my OS.
I remember this was quite useful if a bit outdated, it is a bit skimpy on
Dovecot though:
http://roland.entierement.nu/blog/2010/09/08/gnus-dovecot-offlineimap-search-a-howto.html
The command 'dovecot -a' is useful to dump your config to stout then you
can easily tell what you have changed in between attempts.
I imagine that because you are already /au fait/ with gnus you have half
the battle won. If need be I can dump my whole config but then where is
the fun in that?
Good luck.
Myles
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Myles English writes: > Matt, > >>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:47:40 -0400, Matt Price said: > > So, I'm wondering what solutions other org users have settled on. > > I use gnus, offline imap, dovecot, notmuch, msmtp, bbdb3. And org-mode > capture including links to emails works fine. > > The end result is very good and stable through updates (I am using Arch > Linux too) but I have to say though it did take a LOT of configurating. > As a long-time user of gnus with imap my only complaints are the inability to work offline and the relatively poor sorting rules of my web-mail imap servers. It sounds like dovecot and offline-imap could solve both of these problems. Was the offline-imap/dovecot combo difficult to configure? Are there perhaps online instructions to which you could direct me? FWIW I also use Arch as my OS. Thanks, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
A relatively new emacs mailer, mu4e, is worth mentioning: http://www.djcbsoftware.nl/code/mu/mu4e.html I really like it so far + it has support for org mode links. Stephen
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
On Thu, Apr 26 2012, Matt Price wrote: > I'd like to take one more shot at returning to text-based email within > emacs, mostly because I want to be able to integrate mail easily into > my org-mode workflow. The last time I tried this I used wanderlust, > and I'd be willing to give it a try again but a couple of things have > discouraged me in the past: > - wl causes emacs to freeze up when it checks or sends mail, and can > take quite a long while to complete these operations Others have given imap solutions -- I'm using POP and the mpop utility works great for this. I have it use `set-process-filter' and `set-process-sentinel' to let me know what it did once it's done. > - fast search and easy-to-manage virtual folders of some kind -- I see > mu and notmuch are very strong on both these fronts Again, for POP -- nnmairix is fast, but I've gotten strange behavior out of the virtual groups it creates, and calling it from gnus is many times slower than using it from the command line. 1.5¢ -- GNU Emacs 24.1.50.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2012-04-25 on pellet
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Matt Price writes: > - wl causes emacs to freeze up when it checks or sends mail, and can > take quite a long while to complete these operations I offload this by using external programs. My email flow consists of: 1. Fetch my mail from various sources with fetchmail. Usenet articles are fetched via leafnode. 2. The mail in then passed to procmail for spam proccessing with spamassassin, spilt into the appropriate groups with a procmailrc subfile generated by niko-bbdb-split.el[1], and delivered to the maildir directory using the "deliver" program from Dovecot. 3. I send my mail by passing it on the my local smtp server (postfix). 4. To easily access my mail from anywhere, I allow outside access to my local Dovecot server only through imaps. > - allow me to continue using Thunderbird as a backup for e.g. images > and highly formatted mails -- thunderbird is currently set up w/ local > copies of IMAP folders for my current mail, plus local archives served > on by dovecot that can be accessed both by thunderbird and by e.g. > wanderlust. I suggest just setting up a local imap server, such as Dovecot, for this. As a side note, I am happy with the presentation in Gnus via emacs-w3m integration for highly formatted mail (and of cause Emacs supports inline images). I can also open the mime part in a web browser From Gnus very easily. > - fast search and easy-to-manage virtual folders of some kind -- I see > mu and notmuch are very strong on both these fronts Currently I just use the Squat plugin[2] in Dovecot and search via "GG" in Gnus. Charles Footnotes: [1] http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/emacs/niko-bbdb-split.el [2] http://wiki.dovecot.org/Plugins/FTS/Squat -- Running Windows on a Pentium is like having a brand new Porsche but only be able to drive backwards with the handbrake on. (Unknown source) pgpvdX2axarq3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Matt, >> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:47:40 -0400, Matt Price said: > So, I'm wondering what solutions other org users have settled on. I use gnus, offline imap, dovecot, notmuch, msmtp, bbdb3. And org-mode capture including links to emails works fine. The end result is very good and stable through updates (I am using Arch Linux too) but I have to say though it did take a LOT of configurating. Everything works well now apart from wrapping, see below: > My current hopes for this: - allow me to continue using Thunderbird > as a backup for e.g. images and highly formatted mails -- > thunderbird is currently set up w/ local copies of IMAP folders for > my current mail, plus local archives served on by dovecot that can > be accessed both by thunderbird and by e.g. wanderlust. - fast > search and easy-to-manage virtual folders of some kind -- I see mu > and notmuch are very strong on both these fronts - easy, stable > harvesting of email-based data through org-capture (if possible, > this should allow me to archive a message and still be able to find > it when I follow an org message link) - would be nice if QED Myles
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:47:40 -0400, Matt Price wrote: > I'd like to take one more shot at returning to text-based email within > emacs, mostly because I want to be able to integrate mail easily into > my org-mode workflow. The last time I tried this I used wanderlust, > and I'd be willing to give it a try again but a couple of things have > discouraged me in the past: > - wl causes emacs to freeze up when it checks or sends mail, and can > take quite a long while to complete these operations I fetch emails with offlineimap - it seems to use a lot of bandwith/time/cpu and I heard that mbsync might be better - nevertheless it does it's job. The emails are placed into a maildir and indexed and tagged with notmuch via a post sync hook. I'm very happy with emacs + org-mode + notmuch, creating tasks from email that link back to the email being one of the small but great things. > - wl seems to have gone quasi-dormant, with very little activity on > the mailing list and no recent releases; it also relies on two other > packages, FLIM and APEL, with similarly dormant mailing lists > > So, I'm wondering what solutions other org users have settled on. My > current hopes for this: > - allow me to continue using Thunderbird as a backup for e.g. images > and highly formatted mails -- thunderbird is currently set up w/ local > copies of IMAP folders for my current mail, plus local archives served > on by dovecot that can be accessed both by thunderbird and by e.g. > wanderlust. you could index the thunderbird folders with notmuch, but I don't know how it will behave if you move or delete messages. > - fast search and easy-to-manage virtual folders of some kind -- I see > mu and notmuch are very strong on both these fronts notmuch searches are very fast, but the database takes disk space. Indexing in recent versions is very very quick. mail: 7.4GB notmuch db: 3.6GB > - easy, stable harvesting of email-based data through org-capture (if > possible, this should allow me to archive a message and still be able > to find it when I follow an org message link) notmuch solely works with tags: something is in your inbox, if it has the inbox tag. If notmuch starts to support moving messages to folder and giving them implicit tags, the link would still be through notmuch and not to a specific file. Maybe notmuch supports this already, I did not have the time to investigate. > - would be nice if configuration didn't require TONS of lisp code, a I > am a very slow coder and these kinds of configuration tasks can be > very daunting for me. close to zero configuration needed and full "GUI" support through emacs customize. > - shouldn't slow down my workflow too much -- I should be able to very > quickly check my email then return to an org buffer to continue > writing. It actually sped up my workflow massively and was together with org-mode the number one reason to switch to emacs, after very very long years of using vi derivates. -- Florian Friesdorf GPG FPR: 7A13 5EEE 1421 9FC2 108D BAAF 38F8 99A3 0C45 F083 Jabber/XMPP: f...@chaoflow.net IRC: chaoflow on freenode,ircnet,blafasel,OFTC pgpenA2eORpH6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Rasmus writes: >> (if possible, this should allow me to archive a message and still be >> able to find it when I follow an org message link) > > You can capture gnus mails through org-capture. I don't know how > robust the links are. The links are saved by combining the group and Message-Id of the mail. So if Matt means "move a message to some archive group" with archiving a message, the links will be broken. But there's `gnus-summary-article-move-hook' that could be used to track article movements and update links. Bye, Tassilo
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Matt Price writes: > I'd like to take one more shot at returning to text-based email within > emacs, mostly because I want to be able to integrate mail easily into > my org-mode workflow. It's worth it. > The last time I tried this I used wanderlust, > and I'd be willing to give it a try again but a couple of things have > discouraged me in the past: I used wl but switched to Gnus. > - wl causes emacs to freeze up when it checks or sends mail, and can > take quite a long while to complete these operations I know of no solution to this. You could run a dedicated Gnus process if it bothers you. > - wl seems to have gone quasi-dormant, with very little activity on > the mailing list and no recent releases; it also relies on two other > packages, FLIM and APEL, with similarly dormant mailing lists Arch updates wl often. Latest package is three months old. https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/any/wanderlust/ > - allow me to continue using Thunderbird as a backup for e.g. images > and highly formatted mails -- thunderbird is currently set up w/ local > copies of IMAP folders for my current mail, plus local archives served > on by dovecot that can be accessed both by thunderbird and by e.g. > wanderlust. Message-mode handles txt mails well. There is some org extension for html mails (although I don't like html mails). IMAP should be fine. You can run it local if you want. I do offlineimap + dovecot. > - fast search and easy-to-manage virtual folders of some kind -- I see > mu and notmuch are very strong on both these fronts notmuch and mu4emacs are probably also easier to set up. > - easy, stable harvesting of email-based data through org-capture Use bbdb3. > (if possible, this should allow me to archive a message and still be > able to find it when I follow an org message link) You can capture gnus mails through org-capture. I don't know how robust the links are. > - would be nice if configuration didn't require TONS of lisp code, a I > am a very slow coder and these kinds of configuration tasks can be > very daunting for me. I have tons of list configuration for Gnus. . . But half of it is for weird stuff such as random signature, random `avatar', several SMTP etc. > - shouldn't slow down my workflow too much -- I should be able to very > quickly check my email then return to an org buffer to continue > writing. I have F9 bring up the Gnus Group buffer. G for update. Elegant auto-fetching of new mails from foreign imap is something I have not solved yet. -- Enought with the bla bla!
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Tassilo Horn writes: > If you talk to an IMAP or Gmane nntp server (remote or a local dovecot), > you can simply hit `G G' on a group to search it without having to > configure anything (in recent Gnus versions). Almost all IMAP servers > index at least to/from/subject for fast searches, and some also have > fulltext search plugins (e.g., dovecot has one). Yeah, the one "problem" I have with Gnus is that it does so damn much, I have trouble remembering it all. But seriously, good to know, and thanks for saving me some work.
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Carson Chittom writes: >> - fast search and easy-to-manage virtual folders of some kind -- I >> see mu and notmuch are very strong on both these fronts > > I'm looking to set up mairix, which Gnus supports, but I haven't yet. > Mairix itself though just needs mail in Maildir or mbox formats, from > what I understand. If you talk to an IMAP or Gmane nntp server (remote or a local dovecot), you can simply hit `G G' on a group to search it without having to configure anything (in recent Gnus versions). Almost all IMAP servers index at least to/from/subject for fast searches, and some also have fulltext search plugins (e.g., dovecot has one). Bye, Tassilo
Re: [O] mail integration, advice?
Matt Price writes: > I'd like to take one more shot at returning to text-based email within > emacs, mostly because I want to be able to integrate mail easily into > my org-mode workflow. The last time I tried this I used wanderlust, > and I'd be willing to give it a try again but a couple of things have > discouraged me in the past: I'm in a somewhat similar situation (although in my case it's actually the reverse: I want to be able to integrate org-mode into my mail workflow). > - wl causes emacs to freeze up when it checks or sends mail, and can > take quite a long while to complete these operations I'm using Gnus, not Wanderlust, but it has the same problem, of course (my understanding is that it's actually Emacs which has the problem). In addition, I check my mail by logging in (via SSH) to my personal machine at home, which has a low-bandwidth DSL connection, so any slowness is magnified. I've dealt with it by simply running a local IMAP server--Dovecot, in my case, though I hear lots of people have good results using just offlineimap--and using fetchmail to pull from my ISP's mailserver. My project for the weekend is to set up Dovecot's Sieve support (Pigeonhole) to mirror my previous filtering rules. > - wl seems to have gone quasi-dormant, with very little activity on > the mailing list and no recent releases; it also relies on two other > packages, FLIM and APEL, with similarly dormant mailing lists Gnus is currently under heavy development and only requires a recent (22, 23, 24) Emacs. Not trying to "convert" you, but you did bring it up. :) > - fast search and easy-to-manage virtual folders of some kind -- I see > mu and notmuch are very strong on both these fronts I'm looking to set up mairix, which Gnus supports, but I haven't yet. Mairix itself though just needs mail in Maildir or mbox formats, from what I understand. I hope that was helpful--probably not, though. :)
[O] mail integration, advice?
I'd like to take one more shot at returning to text-based email within emacs, mostly because I want to be able to integrate mail easily into my org-mode workflow. The last time I tried this I used wanderlust, and I'd be willing to give it a try again but a couple of things have discouraged me in the past: - wl causes emacs to freeze up when it checks or sends mail, and can take quite a long while to complete these operations - wl seems to have gone quasi-dormant, with very little activity on the mailing list and no recent releases; it also relies on two other packages, FLIM and APEL, with similarly dormant mailing lists So, I'm wondering what solutions other org users have settled on. My current hopes for this: - allow me to continue using Thunderbird as a backup for e.g. images and highly formatted mails -- thunderbird is currently set up w/ local copies of IMAP folders for my current mail, plus local archives served on by dovecot that can be accessed both by thunderbird and by e.g. wanderlust. - fast search and easy-to-manage virtual folders of some kind -- I see mu and notmuch are very strong on both these fronts - easy, stable harvesting of email-based data through org-capture (if possible, this should allow me to archive a message and still be able to find it when I follow an org message link) - would be nice if configuration didn't require TONS of lisp code, a I am a very slow coder and these kinds of configuration tasks can be very daunting for me. - shouldn't slow down my workflow too much -- I should be able to very quickly check my email then return to an org buffer to continue writing. Thanks very much for your suggestions! best, matt
