Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
On 31.7.2013, at 21:15, Simon Thum simon.t...@gmx.de wrote: Carsten, any news on this? I'm struggling with RET C-RET during notes taking. Hi Simon, This should be fixed now. - Carsten Cheers, Simon On 07/03/2013 05:52 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: Hi, yes, org-insert-heading is broken - nad I am trying to find time to rewrite it. My top Org priority. - Carsten On 3.7.2013, at 00:11, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, Glad to see you around :) These all may be quite related. I haven't seen activity on those threads suggesting whether a) the documentation is, in fact, right or wrong or b) whether anyone has taken action to fix or adjust the behavior of M-RET or C-RET based on the complaints/counter-intuitive observations. Let me know if those are similar to your issue. Perhaps Bastien can comment on the state of these thread, now at least four in number... - http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg70718.html - http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2013-05/msg00846.html - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72399 I've taken to using C-RET in the meantime, as it seems to do what I often expect when reflexively pressing M-RET. Also, someone once corrected me on the documentation that at the end of the line might mean before the ellipsis, not after? Hope that helps! John On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Erik Iverson erikriver...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
Indeed. Thank you very much! On 08/08/2013 09:28 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: On 31.7.2013, at 21:15, Simon Thum simon.t...@gmx.de wrote: Carsten, any news on this? I'm struggling with RET C-RET during notes taking. Hi Simon, This should be fixed now. - Carsten Cheers, Simon On 07/03/2013 05:52 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: Hi, yes, org-insert-heading is broken - nad I am trying to find time to rewrite it. My top Org priority. - Carsten On 3.7.2013, at 00:11, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, Glad to see you around :) These all may be quite related. I haven't seen activity on those threads suggesting whether a) the documentation is, in fact, right or wrong or b) whether anyone has taken action to fix or adjust the behavior of M-RET or C-RET based on the complaints/counter-intuitive observations. Let me know if those are similar to your issue. Perhaps Bastien can comment on the state of these thread, now at least four in number... - http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg70718.html - http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2013-05/msg00846.html - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72399 I've taken to using C-RET in the meantime, as it seems to do what I often expect when reflexively pressing M-RET. Also, someone once corrected me on the documentation that at the end of the line might mean before the ellipsis, not after? Hope that helps! John On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Erik Iverson erikriver...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
Hi Simon, Simon Thum simon.t...@gmx.de writes: any news on this? I'm struggling with RET C-RET during notes taking. I'll be on vacation until August 14th, but this is high on my todo list then. Unless Carsten or someone else beats me on this, of course. -- Bastien
Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
Carsten, any news on this? I'm struggling with RET C-RET during notes taking. Cheers, Simon On 07/03/2013 05:52 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: Hi, yes, org-insert-heading is broken - nad I am trying to find time to rewrite it. My top Org priority. - Carsten On 3.7.2013, at 00:11, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, Glad to see you around :) These all may be quite related. I haven't seen activity on those threads suggesting whether a) the documentation is, in fact, right or wrong or b) whether anyone has taken action to fix or adjust the behavior of M-RET or C-RET based on the complaints/counter-intuitive observations. Let me know if those are similar to your issue. Perhaps Bastien can comment on the state of these thread, now at least four in number... - http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg70718.html - http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2013-05/msg00846.html - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72399 I've taken to using C-RET in the meantime, as it seems to do what I often expect when reflexively pressing M-RET. Also, someone once corrected me on the documentation that at the end of the line might mean before the ellipsis, not after? Hope that helps! John On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Erik Iverson erikriver...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
I've noticed a probably related bug. In a file like * before break between If I put the cursor between break and between, M-ret causes the result * before * break between rather than what I expected: * before break * between With the holiday coming I might look at it also and figure out what is happening. R Horn Carsten Dominik writes: Hi, yes, org-insert-heading is broken - nad I am trying to find time to rewrite it. My top Org priority. - Carsten On 3.7.2013, at 00:11, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, Glad to see you around :) These all may be quite related. I haven't seen activity on those threads suggesting whether a) the documentation is, in fact, right or wrong or b) whether anyone has taken action to fix or adjust the behavior of M-RET or C-RET based on the complaints/counter-intuitive observations. Let me know if those are similar to your issue. Perhaps Bastien can comment on the state of these thread, now at least four in number... - http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg70718.html - http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2013-05/msg00846.html - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72399 I've taken to using C-RET in the meantime, as it seems to do what I often expect when reflexively pressing M-RET. Also, someone once corrected me on the documentation that at the end of the line might mean before the ellipsis, not after? Hope that helps! John On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Erik Iverson erikriver...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
Robert, I noticed that behavior, too. But that does seem documented under M-RET: When this command is used in the middle of a line, the line is split and the rest of the line becomes the new item or headline. Footnote 10 is referenced, which says: If you do not want the line to be split, customize the variable org-M-RET-may-split-line. Hope this helps, --Erik On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Robert Horn rjh...@alum.mit.edu wrote: I've noticed a probably related bug. In a file like * before break between If I put the cursor between break and between, M-ret causes the result * before * break between rather than what I expected: * before break * between With the holiday coming I might look at it also and figure out what is happening. R Horn Carsten Dominik writes: Hi, yes, org-insert-heading is broken - nad I am trying to find time to rewrite it. My top Org priority. - Carsten On 3.7.2013, at 00:11, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, Glad to see you around :) These all may be quite related. I haven't seen activity on those threads suggesting whether a) the documentation is, in fact, right or wrong or b) whether anyone has taken action to fix or adjust the behavior of M-RET or C-RET based on the complaints/counter-intuitive observations. Let me know if those are similar to your issue. Perhaps Bastien can comment on the state of these thread, now at least four in number... - http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg70718.html - http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2013-05/msg00846.html - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72399 I've taken to using C-RET in the meantime, as it seems to do what I often expect when reflexively pressing M-RET. Also, someone once corrected me on the documentation that at the end of the line might mean before the ellipsis, not after? Hope that helps! John On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Erik Iverson erikriver...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
Erik Iverson writes: Robert, I noticed that behavior, too. But that does seem documented under M-RET: When this command is used in the middle of a line, the line is split and the rest of the line becomes the new item or headline. Footnote 10 is referenced, which says: If you do not want the line to be split, customize the variable org-M-RET-may-split-line. That's what I wanted and expected. That's not what happened. The line was not split. The whole line became a new headline. What I wanted was the line to be split and the tail end to be the new headline. I've noticed a probably related bug. In a file like * before break between If I put the cursor between break and between, M-ret causes the result * before * break between rather than what I expected: * before break * between With the holiday coming I might look at it also and figure out what is happening. R Horn Carsten Dominik writes: Hi, yes, org-insert-heading is broken - nad I am trying to find time to rewrite it. My top Org priority. - Carsten On 3.7.2013, at 00:11, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, Glad to see you around :) These all may be quite related. I haven't seen activity on those threads suggesting whether a) the documentation is, in fact, right or wrong or b) whether anyone has taken action to fix or adjust the behavior of M-RET or C-RET based on the complaints/counter-intuitive observations. Let me know if those are similar to your issue. Perhaps Bastien can comment on the state of these thread, now at least four in number... - http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg70718.html - http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2013-05/msg00846.html - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72399 I've taken to using C-RET in the meantime, as it seems to do what I often expect when reflexively pressing M-RET. Also, someone once corrected me on the documentation that at the end of the line might mean before the ellipsis, not after? Hope that helps! John On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Erik Iverson erikriver...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
[O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
Hi Erik, Glad to see you around :) These all may be quite related. I haven't seen activity on those threads suggesting whether a) the documentation is, in fact, right or wrong or b) whether anyone has taken action to fix or adjust the behavior of M-RET or C-RET based on the complaints/counter-intuitive observations. Let me know if those are similar to your issue. Perhaps Bastien can comment on the state of these thread, now at least four in number... - http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg70718.html - http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2013-05/msg00846.html - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72399 I've taken to using C-RET in the meantime, as it seems to do what I often expect when reflexively pressing M-RET. Also, someone once corrected me on the documentation that at the end of the line might mean before the ellipsis, not after? Hope that helps! John On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Erik Iverson erikriver...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
Re: [O] possible org-insert-heading bug?
Hi, yes, org-insert-heading is broken - nad I am trying to find time to rewrite it. My top Org priority. - Carsten On 3.7.2013, at 00:11, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Erik, Glad to see you around :) These all may be quite related. I haven't seen activity on those threads suggesting whether a) the documentation is, in fact, right or wrong or b) whether anyone has taken action to fix or adjust the behavior of M-RET or C-RET based on the complaints/counter-intuitive observations. Let me know if those are similar to your issue. Perhaps Bastien can comment on the state of these thread, now at least four in number... - http://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-orgmode@gnu.org/msg70718.html - http://osdir.com/ml/emacs-orgmode-gnu/2013-05/msg00846.html - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/72399 I've taken to using C-RET in the meantime, as it seems to do what I often expect when reflexively pressing M-RET. Also, someone once corrected me on the documentation that at the end of the line might mean before the ellipsis, not after? Hope that helps! John On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Erik Iverson erikriver...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am using a current git pull (Org-mode version 8.0.3, release_8.0.3-345-g239aa7) and noticed behavior that's easiest to show with a small example. If you save and visit the following org file, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7514404/test.org you will see the behavior described and documented (assuming it's reproducible under your version of emacs and orgmode). Briefly M-RET at the end of a *folded* headline that contains plain list items will insert a new plain list item at the end of the subtree, instead of a new top-level headline. I believe this conflicts with the documentation for M-RET, which currently reads: ... If the command is used at the end of a folded subtree (i.e., behind the ellipses at the end of a headline), then a headline like the current one will be inserted after the end of the subtree... Best, --Erik
