Re: [OT] email opens (was: Link from orgmode file to E-Mail (using kmail or notmuch))

2023-01-28 Thread Jean Louis
* Gregor Zattler  [2023-01-28 17:09]:
> Yes, because what they are measuring is "email opens" via
> web pixels and such tracking technologies.  That's might be
> a reason why Thunderbird does not show up there.
> 
> So while this data somehow shows the sad state of affairs,
> it is not relevant to the question of linking to emails.
> Obviously Emacs caters to a tiny niche, yes.  But how does
> it do or should do?

Thanks for comments.

Emacs is used by many millions of people, at least installed. Not
maybe daily used, real number of users is difficult to
determine. 

Though Emacs users of Emacs e-mail packages must be less. 

Still it must be a significant number of people.

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Re: [OT] email opens (was: Link from orgmode file to E-Mail (using kmail or notmuch))

2023-01-28 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 03:08:17PM +0100, Gregor Zattler wrote:

[...]

> The data used in the second link actually comes from
> litmus.com, they do such statistics on a regular basis.  For
> the first link I cannot tell, but the numbers are very
> similar to the litmus blog post on April 2021.
> 
> > Those are by majority all web software clients.
> 
> Yes, because what they are measuring is "email opens" via
> web pixels and such tracking technologies [...]

They do *what*?

> So while this data somehow shows the sad state of affairs,

I'd venture it shows their incompetence. But that seems to
be a honourable way to make money these days.

Thanks for expanding my horizon...

Cheers
-- 
t


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[OT] email opens (was: Link from orgmode file to E-Mail (using kmail or notmuch))

2023-01-28 Thread Gregor Zattler
Hi Jean, org-mode developers,
* Jean Louis  [2023-01-24; 22:01 +03]:
> To understand what is widely used e-mail file format, one has to see
> what are widely used e-mail clients.
>
> Maybe this picture may help:
> https://d27jswm5an3efw.cloudfront.net/app/uploads/2021/04/most-popular-email-clients-graph.jpeg
>
> or this one:
>
> https://www.oberlo.com/media/1673256706-most-used-email-clients-worldwide.png?fit=max=webp=1800

The data used in the second link actually comes from
litmus.com, they do such statistics on a regular basis.  For
the first link I cannot tell, but the numbers are very
similar to the litmus blog post on April 2021.

> Those are by majority all web software clients.

Yes, because what they are measuring is "email opens" via
web pixels and such tracking technologies.  That's might be
a reason why Thunderbird does not show up there.

So while this data somehow shows the sad state of affairs,
it is not relevant to the question of linking to emails.
Obviously Emacs caters to a tiny niche, yes.  But how does
it do or should do?

Ciao; Gregor