Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
On Jun 22, 2007, at 18:32, William Henney wrote: Hi Carsten On 6/22/07, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2007, at 17:16, William Henney wrote: ... now that there is a syntactic difference between the bullet point types, how about having a function that cycles between them (just + and - by default). This could perhaps be bound to C-c C--, or even just C-c - since that is currently only useful inside tables - I know you like to have busy keys :) How about the key sequences DEL - C-c C-c DEL + C-c C-c DEL 1. C-c C-c Not so bad, really. On the other hand, C-c - is clearly a possibility. Yes, those are OK if you have the cursor in the right place to start with. But my idea was that C-c - would work with point anywhere in the line. OK, this will work in the next version, thanks. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
Fixed, thanks. - Carsten On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:52, Dmitri Minaev wrote: On 6/19/07, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Indenting lines with TAB is more intelligent. Yes, it works nice, thanks. But org-indent-line-function now indents headings just as if they were list elements... I tried to find the error in the function, but my understanding of elisp was insufficient. Sorry :( -- With best regards, Dmitri Minaev Russian history blog: http://minaev.blogspot.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut Anton Pannekoek Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
On Jun 20, 2007, at 15:27, Jason F. McBrayer wrote: I'd like to be able to assign dates to these timestamp-less clock entries. Just to have a way of saying I worked on this for two hours on Tuesday without having to clock in and out specific times. Useful for entering things retroactively, for example, or putting in full-day events. That is possible, but a bit more complex, so I am not sure when I will get around to this. For the time being, if you need to assign the clocking to a date, just clock in and out and then change the dates by hand. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is possible, but a bit more complex, so I am not sure when I will get around to this. For the time being, if you need to assign the clocking to a date, just clock in and out and then change the dates by hand. Indeed, that is what I do, currently, or make the clockline by hand with org-time-stamp. And I'm not sure there's a tremendous need for this feature to be added. -- +---+ | Jason F. McBrayer[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada| ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
On 6/19/07, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Indenting lines with TAB is more intelligent. Yes, it works nice, thanks. But org-indent-line-function now indents headings just as if they were list elements... I tried to find the error in the function, but my understanding of elisp was insufficient. Sorry :( -- With best regards, Dmitri Minaev Russian history blog: http://minaev.blogspot.com ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, that was pretty vague. What I meant was, if you have a clock table like this: #+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 4 :emphasize nil :block lastweek ... the :block lastweek part doesn't really fit with clock entries like ** some entry CLOCK: = 2:00 since there isn't any date info in the clock entry. It appears that these entries are included in the clock table no matter what the setting of :block or :tstart, :tend. This works OK for me. I can limit the table to dateless clock entries by setting :tstart to a date in the future, for example. I'd like to be able to assign dates to these timestamp-less clock entries. Just to have a way of saying I worked on this for two hours on Tuesday without having to clock in and out specific times. Useful for entering things retroactively, for example, or putting in full-day events. -- +---+ | Jason F. McBrayer[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada| ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
Org-mode version 4.78 is available through Emacs CVS, and at http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/ XEmacs users, please check, the installation procedure has changed slightly, and this is not yet in the manual, only below in the list of changes. Enjoy! - Carsten Change in Version 4.78 -- * Overview - Time stamps with a time range *included*, like : 2007-06-18 Mon 17:33-18:23 - Clock times without clocking in/out: CLOCK: = 2:00 - Language-specific characters allowed in TAGS (Emacs only). - Promotion and demotion of items gets the indentation right. - Indenting lines with TAB is more intelligent. * Incompatible changes - There is now a special version of `org.el' for XEmacs. Before installation, as an XEmacs user you must rename the file org_xemacs.el to org.el, i.e. you must overwrite org.el with the xemacs version. For example: : mv org_xemacs.el org.el This is necessary so that I can make use of some features that would be cumbersome to support in a single file. The XEmacs version is derived from the Emacs version with a program, so no reason to fear that I might be dropping XEmacs support any time soon. Sorry for the trouble. * Details - A time stamp may now contain a range of times. So you no longer need to use two separate stamps to indicate a time interval on a single day. For example : 2007-06-18 Mon 17:30-18:20 This is now fully supported, including changing the time with S-up/down while the cursor is on the end time. Also, da the date/time prompt, you can simply write your time like 12:00-14:00 and the range will be inserted. This was proposed by Leo some time ago, and recently by Michael. - You may specify clocking times by hand (i.e. without clocking in and out) using this syntax. : CLOCK: = 2:00 Thanks to Scott Jaderholm for this proposal. - TAGS may now contain language-specific word characters, as long as they are matched by the [:alnum:] regexp syntax. This is for Emacs only, the XEmacs version continues to use the character class a-zA-Z0-9_@ for tag names. Thanks to David Smith for a patch to this effect (a modified version of that patch was applied). I am considering to make the same change for TODO keywords, but not yet. Note that files using localization features may not work correctly in the Emacs configuration of another user, so if you are sharing org-mode files with other users, it might still be best to stick to the ASCII characters. - Promotion and demotion of plain list items (commands M-left, M-right) no longer changes the indentation by just one space. Instead, it uses intelligence gathered from the surrounding list structure to do the right thing. Thanks to William Henney for starting the discussion about this. - TAB does now a better job of indenting lines. + After tables and code segments (lines starting with :), indentation goes back to what it was before (thanks to William Henney for suggesting this behavior). + When plain lists items are involved, we had a long discussion on emacs-orgmode where I tried to show that a too-sophisticated implementation will still be easily fooled. Here is what I have implemented now - lets see if we can agree on this: Indentation will flatten lists with the same bullet type, but indent another bullet type further. The time when this fails is in a nested list, when you want to get back out to a previous level. For example : - item 1 : - item 2 : + item 2a : + item 2b : - item 3 When using TAB on every line in this list, the structure will change to : - item 1 : - item 2 : + item 2a : + item 2b : - item 3 So you need to change the level of the last line by hand, using promotion and demotion functions. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
On Jun 19, 2007, at 10:56, Carsten Dominik wrote: Org-mode version 4.78 is available through Emacs CVS, and at http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/ XEmacs users, please check, the installation procedure has changed slightly, and this is not yet in the manual, only below in the list of changes. This was really annoying, so I did think of a better way. 4.78b is up on my site, and again has a single file org.el for both emacsen. Merging things back has caused a small performance penalty for XEmacs users - however, when org.el is compiled, this penalty will be entirely gone. Sorry for the mess. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
Hi Carsten On 6/19/07, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Promotion and demotion of items gets the indentation right. - Indenting lines with TAB is more intelligent. The new behaviour is great. Many thanks for sorting this out. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
Just one more small request On 6/19/07, William Henney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/19/07, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Promotion and demotion of items gets the indentation right. - Indenting lines with TAB is more intelligent. ... now that there is a syntactic difference between the bullet point types, how about having a function that cycles between them (just + and - by default). This could perhaps be bound to C-c C--, or even just C-c - since that is currently only useful inside tables - I know you like to have busy keys :) Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
On Jun 20, 2007, at 5:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:56:35 +0200, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Org-mode version 4.78 is available through Emacs CVS, and at - You may specify clocking times by hand (i.e. without clocking in and out) using this syntax. : CLOCK: = 2:00 Should these time entries be picked up for clock tables? It seems that they aren't. Yes they are, the syntax is ** some entry CLOCK: = 2:00 i.e. no initial colon, this was a typo in the release notes. If so, maybe there's a bug or I'm missing something set-up wise. Also, I guess there would be problems with time-range blocks such as :block thisweek I don't understand this question. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode 4.78
On Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:37:44 +0200, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2007, at 5:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:56:35 +0200, Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - You may specify clocking times by hand (i.e. without clocking in and out) using this syntax. : CLOCK: = 2:00 Should these time entries be picked up for clock tables? It seems that they aren't. Yes they are, the syntax is ** some entry CLOCK: = 2:00 i.e. no initial colon, this was a typo in the release notes. Got it. Thanks, it's working for me now. If so, maybe there's a bug or I'm missing something set-up wise. Also, I guess there would be problems with time-range blocks such as :block thisweek I don't understand this question. Sorry, that was pretty vague. What I meant was, if you have a clock table like this: #+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 4 :emphasize nil :block lastweek ... the :block lastweek part doesn't really fit with clock entries like ** some entry CLOCK: = 2:00 since there isn't any date info in the clock entry. It appears that these entries are included in the clock table no matter what the setting of :block or :tstart, :tend. This works OK for me. I can limit the table to dateless clock entries by setting :tstart to a date in the future, for example. //Dave ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
