[Orgmode] Re: IMPORTANT: let's make the biggest gift of FLOSS history!
Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes: Dear Bastien, you might consider to add a Flattr account for org-mode too. As far as I understood Flattr is a micorpayment system on a monthly base. People donate a monthly sum and this will be shared by the projects they marked (by click on a clever placed icon) over a month period. The argument against it would be that it `reduces' the amount. Consider the case of micro-donors ... When one exchanges gifts one is obliged to consider how the gift would be perceived by the other party. If the exchange is between individuals (as opposed to between an individual and an impersonal organization) the above argument cannot be set aside. I believe this heavily lower the resistance to place a donation, people think Since I spend the money every month why not donating to org-mode, which is quite different to Ohh paypal, I need to pull out my credit card and enter all my credentials, wait is it save, wait should I do it now, wait will my spouse punish me for throwing out money again for my crazy interests ;) There could be donors who wouldn't want to own a Credit Card ... For such donors PayPal is too burdensome. Plain Old postal system trumps for such donors. Postal addresses (real or virtual mailboxes) should be made accessible to the community. Having a mailbox could be cumbersome for `non-enterprisey' projects that are led by individuals. In this case, FSF can act as an organisational intermediary aggregating and channeling the donations to projects based on donor's discretion. (I don't know whether they do so already) I guess the idea is to place those icons at places where people just got very happy about org-mode... maybe the manual section, or Worg, video tutorial page, etc. IMHO, the landing page is the right place for it. Burying it too deep would `smell' (whatever that means). You seem to think that `contributions' to Free Software Projects are likely to be impulsive decisions as opposed to well-considered ones ... I hesitate to buy this argument. Jambunathan K. http://flattr.com/ All the best Totti On 02/04/2011 12:15 AM, Bastien wrote: Dear all, as you know, some of us will meet this saturday at FOSDEM. It will be great to meet IRL, to discuss Org past, present and future -- I really can't wait for that! Everyone on this list already contributes with code, patches, feedback, tests, ideas and... patience with the new maintainer. And I guess Everyone at FOSDEM will express his gratitude to Carsten for all the work he did and continues doing. But... what about expressing this gratitude as a *GIFT*? What about taking 10 minutes of your time and make a donation? *Every donation* made from now until sunday evening will go to Carsten. Please go to http://orgmode.org and say thanks :) Let's show the FOSDEM crowd that fun fame are not the only rewards that such an effort deserves :) Thanks!! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: IMPORTANT: let's make the biggest gift of FLOSS history!
The argument against it would be that it `reduces' the amount. Consider the case of micro-donors ... Well it seems the flattr people take 10%. Guess this is still fair and well documented on there website, they provide a certain service which cost money. Paypal and other payments methods charge too. There could be donors who wouldn't want to own a Credit Card ... For such donors PayPal is too burdensome. Plain Old postal system trumps for such donors. Postal addresses (real or virtual mailboxes) should be made accessible to the community. Having a mailbox could be cumbersome for `non-enterprisey' projects that are led by individuals. In this case, FSF can act as an organisational intermediary aggregating and channeling the donations to projects based on donor's discretion. (I don't know whether they do so already) Well postal address might be fine too. Instead of a Paypal link, a general donation icon could guide people to a page with different offers, form which they can select, Paypal, Flattr, Post, I just think giving people as much offers as possible might lower the resistance to place a donation. I guess the idea is to place those icons at places where people just got very happy about org-mode... maybe the manual section, or Worg, video tutorial page, etc. IMHO, the landing page is the right place for it. Burying it too deep would `smell' (whatever that means). Yes landing page might be good. However, some pages have heavy traffic because of popularity other are real pain-relievers which might make people consider to place a donation. But I agree there is a thin line between making a careful request for donation and being fishy somehow. You seem to think that `contributions' to Free Software Projects are likely to be impulsive decisions as opposed to well-considered ones ... I hesitate to buy this argument. Well I would not say it is impulsive. Its more about the inhibition threshold to place a donation, or if you like the laziness threshold. If I first have to register a paypal account, attach my credit card credentials, which if I remember correctly take some time to being verified and finally place a donation, I might simply think Lets do it another time and this I think over and over again until my gratitude become that big that I go through all these above steps to place a donation. Clicking on a icon to place a donation is much easier and hence lets people quickly (and esp. in case of flattr repeatable) donate. Downloading a pdf which prints on an envelope the postal address, to send a donation via post might be easier for other people (e.g., because they have no credit card)... Guess it is just the point that it might be worse to offer more options which help people to overcome there individual inhibition threshold. All the best Totti ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: IMPORTANT: let's make the biggest gift of FLOSS history!
Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes: The argument against it would be that it `reduces' the amount. Consider the case of micro-donors ... Well it seems the flattr people take 10%. Guess this is still fair and well documented on there website, they provide a certain service which cost money. Paypal and other payments methods charge too. What I meant in my original comment was that spreading a micro-donation over a 12-month would it make a nano-donation :-). Jambunathan K. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
